Halo 4 multiplayer will require 8GB install

16GB flash drives are like...10 bucks. I fail to see how this is supposed to be a big problem. :?

The_Game21x

16GB flash drives are everywhere, and some are under $10. That is enough for the MP and the game install. Problem solved

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] It would be funny if the actual install take 8GB,because every one knows that 8GB USB drive don't give you exactly that amount of storage,is always 7.8GB or less,so if the actual space need it is 8GB long,an 8GB flash drive will no do. But that is not the point,the point is that you will have to spend extra cash to get a crappy 8GB flash drive to play some mods in Halo 4,something that should no happen because no other game ever has require this,is only Halo the one with the problems odd isn't.? This is MS way of telling people buy an HDD please we sold you a core so you buy our over priced HDD,this is a slap to core owners face and is from MS,in fact MS own PDF about making games on 360 which is directed at developer actually stated that developers should make their games,with the notion that an HDD will not always be present.HalcyonScarlet

They would have to buy a 16GB USB stick.

This is a slap in the face from Microsoft, and yet those dumb Xbox fanboys are happy to get slapped and getting screwed? It's just beyond me. :|

"At a minimum, you'll need at least an 8GB USB Flash Drive".

That's exactly my point... :|

Bf3 forces players to install 2 gb patches every other month to keep playing the game which is far worse

But still this sucks for the lower end owners and is just no excuse

16GB flash drives are everywhere, and some are under $10. That is enough for the MP and the game install. Problem solved

Phazevariance

Looks like the Xbox 360 requires another accessory. Yes, another one alongside with batteries for the controller, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.

Oh what a great console it is! :lol:

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

16GB flash drives are everywhere, and some are under $10. That is enough for the MP and the game install. Problem solved

GamerwillzPS

Looks like the Xbox 360 requires another accessory. Yes, another one alongside with batteries for the controller, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.

Oh what a great console it is! :lol:

This does indeed su*k for 4gig owners, but pull it back just a bit..

My point complete proven MS on purpose sabotage Halo 4 with that crap in order to make core owners buy their HDD,the did the same with Halo Reach which was unplayable co-op without hard drive,i am in shock as how 360 fan even defend MS on this kind of crap. MS is one of the worst things to ever happen to this industry. tormentos

So what's the problem with MS exactly? Some people bought the Arcade version of the Xbox to save themselves at least $100 and were able to enter this gen on the cheap. Show me a PS3 that sells for what the Arcade sells for then you can start talking about how bad MS is.

Either way MS has gamers on both fronts, those that couldn't get into this gen due to high price of next gen consoles and hardcore gamers that purchased a normal xboxs.

Consumers know they are loosing out on memory when they purchase their $100 cheaper Xbox, but they get to go home and play 100% of Xbox games. Yes this includes Halo 4, Just can't do 4 player MP or can they...

I am sure they all know you can buy one of these on the cheap, this still keeps their savings at least at $90

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139247

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

16GB flash drives are everywhere, and some are under $10. That is enough for the MP and the game install. Problem solved

GamerwillzPS

Looks like the Xbox 360 requires another accessory. Yes, another one alongside with batteries for the controller, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.

Oh what a great console it is! :lol:

wi-fi's built in on the console now, and strangely a better Wi-fi unit than shipped with the current PS3 revisions if im not mistaken.

I wonder why it's so large? It must have a lot of features I'm guessing.

Funny how 360 fanboys have no problem with this, but yet they bash PS3 exclusives all the time for having installs. Talk about being hypocrites.....

Arcade owners (if they still exist) are screwed.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

16GB flash drives are everywhere, and some are under $10. That is enough for the MP and the game install. Problem solved

GamerwillzPS

Looks like the Xbox 360 requires another accessory. Yes, another one alongside with batteries for the controller, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.

Oh what a great console it is! :lol:

C'mon now, ya gotta know this line of complaint against 360 Arcade is just grasping at straws. :?

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

16GB flash drives are everywhere, and some are under $10. That is enough for the MP and the game install. Problem solved

GamerwillzPS

Looks like the Xbox 360 requires another accessory. Yes, another one alongside with batteries for the controller, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.

Oh what a great console it is! :lol:

I wonder why it's so large? It must have a lot of features I'm guessing.

Funny how 360 fanboys have no problem with this, but yet they bash PS3 exclusives all the time for having installs. Talk about being hypocrites.....

Arcade owners (if they still exist) are screwed.

ShadowMoses900

The install is not mandatory. Just there to cache data. It wouldn't matter if you had 5MB left on you 20GB HDD, this woudn't effect you.

XBL on the whole needs a HDD not really sure what the issue is.

I wonder why it's so large? It must have a lot of features I'm guessing.

Funny how 360 fanboys have no problem with this, but yet they bash PS3 exclusives all the time for having installs. Talk about being hypocrites.....

Arcade owners (if they still exist) are screwed.

ShadowMoses900

no they arent, as we have stated at least a dozen times in the topic it can be fixed with literally pocketchange, furthermore proving your own equally as ignorant stance on the matter as some lemmings have been in the past aswell.

I think the main issue is really that MS have locked out the multiplayer to owners of 4Gb consoles. Yes they can fix it, but they have to spend money to do so. People that bought a 4GB slim 360 cannot play the multiplayer without upgrading the console. BibiMaghoo

I think the minimum HDD should have been 10-20gigs.

I think the main issue is really that MS have locked out the multiplayer to owners of 4Gb consoles. Yes they can fix it, but they have to spend money to do so. People that bought a 4GB slim 360 cannot play the multiplayer without upgrading the console. BibiMaghoo

the 4gig itself is just a rip-off. anyone buying that really doensn't know what they are doing to themselves. MS will create a lot of gimped users who will have to end up paying out more money to play games becaue of the new 4gig console subscription package.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Looks like the Xbox 360 requires another accessory. Yes, another one alongside with batteries for the controller, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.

Oh what a great console it is! :lol:

Desmonic

wi-fi's built in on the console now, and strangely a better Wi-fi unit than shipped with the current PS3 revisions if im not mistaken.

thing is though thats always happened, although late adopters of the PS3 have been screwed over more than early adopters in my book tbh :P

But thats the way of the world, usually newer units ship with better gear, lower hear and lower Nm chipsets and generally more reliable.Its always been like that.

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]I think the main issue is really that MS have locked out the multiplayer to owners of 4Gb consoles. Yes they can fix it, but they have to spend money to do so. People that bought a 4GB slim 360 cannot play the multiplayer without upgrading the console. casharmy

the 4gig itself is just a rip-off. anyone buying that really doensn't know what they are doing to themselves.

the sku itself is geared towards a consumer who isnt really big on gaming tbh its pretty apparent considering it tends to be shipped with kinect in bundles.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] oh god, come on eltormo, its like being back in 2009 reading crap like that.sts106mat

I will call you either eltormo / tormentos as i please as you are both one and the same user lol

We all knew it because of your spanglish and your attitude / content of messages. yet you continually denied it lol

the final proof was when you were dumb enough to post a picture with a handwritten noteas proof that you had a 360 that hadthe same handwriting as the one "eltormo" had in a post he posted months earlier.

also it doesn't take sherlock holmes to see "ELTORMO" "TORMENTOS" does it?

but whatever, you knew that already.

Sony were ahead with bluray and their mission to get bluray into peoples homes as a standard is not yet complete, but for gaming, bluray is not necessary and has in fact hindered PS3 and the devs of multiplat games.

next gen, it will be different as i stated above, because of the reasons you gave.

That's totally stupid that just to play this gameyou need to have more memory than a particular sku of the console actually has.

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

They would have to buy a 16GB USB stick.

This is a slap in the face from Microsoft, and yet those dumb Xbox fanboys are happy to get slapped and getting screwed? It's just beyond me. :|

GamerwillzPS

"At a minimum, you'll need at least an 8GB USB Flash Drive".

That's exactly my point... :|

You said "They would have to buy a 16GB USB stick." in reply to tormentos's idea an 8GB wouldn't be enough.

What's the difference with older consoles when you had to buy memory cards for the PS 1/2, GameCube. It's the same thing.

If you cut corners in with your initial choices eventually you'll pay for that.

It's like on my old PC when I tried to cut corners by buying a mid ranged graphics card for gaming. Back then doing something like that will bite you on your arse quick.

I'm used to buying storage anyway I don't get the issue. Just for my PC I have sh!t tons of external HDDs, memory sticks and USB drives.

Also what about all the 20GB PS3s, how are they coping with the mandatory installs, DLC and the DD age?

That's totally stupid that just to play this gameyou need to have more memory than a particular sku of the console actually has.

amaneuvering

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

wi-fi's built in on the console now, and strangely a better Wi-fi unit than shipped with the current PS3 revisions if im not mistaken.

razgriz_101

thing is though thats always happened, although late adopters of the PS3 have been screwed over more than early adopters in my book tbh :P

But thats the way of the world, usually newer units ship with better gear, lower hear and lower Nm chipsets and generally more reliable.Its always been like that.

it's true, late PS3 adopters make me chuckle at notion of paying for HD remakes. Poor dopes.

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

wi-fi's built in on the console now, and strangely a better Wi-fi unit than shipped with the current PS3 revisions if im not mistaken.

razgriz_101

thing is though thats always happened, although late adopters of the PS3 have been screwed over more than early adopters in my book tbh :P

But thats the way of the world, usually newer units ship with better gear, lower hear and lower Nm chipsets and generally more reliable.Its always been like that.

Lower hear? Talk about the grammar...

Newer PS3s are stripped down compared with early ones but if you are using logic, that's cutting the cost - to make it affordable for everybody out there. So stop being a dumb Xbox fanboy and use f**king logic, for Christ's sake!

New PS3 models are also more reliable and uses less power. And seriously, if you use logic, are 4 USB ports and memory card readers from launch PS3 necessary? No, they don't. They are not necessary. All they have done is keeping the price high. Sony have removed unnecessary gimmicks to reduce the production costs and price. 2 USB ports are enough, and 4 are too much.

it's true, late PS3 adopters make me chuckle at notion of paying for HD remakes. Poor dopes.

casharmy

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] Would be kind of dumb if 3 or 4 years laters they didn't incorporate a better Wi-fi unit now wouldn't it? :P Still I find it pretty lame that eraly adopters of the consoles (be it PS3, Xbox or even Wii) have been screwed over by new versions.. yeah we can say "oh he/she should just buy a newer one" but it's not always like that. I don't think any console maker should upgrade their own consoles in a way that early adopters are (or feel like they are) completely screwed over. Some improvements like better power consumption, smaller redesign and so forth are ok by me though.casharmy

thing is though thats always happened, although late adopters of the PS3 have been screwed over more than early adopters in my book tbh :P

But thats the way of the world, usually newer units ship with better gear, lower hear and lower Nm chipsets and generally more reliable.Its always been like that.

it's true, late PS3 adopters make me chuckle at notion of paying for HD remakes. Poor dopes.

if your like me and your PS2's fecked, MGS collection was worth picking up..to this day those games are still my top 3 this year.

Just downgraded my collection size it takes up too much room and i never play half it.

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]I think the main issue is really that MS have locked out the multiplayer to owners of 4Gb consoles. Yes they can fix it, but they have to spend money to do so. People that bought a 4GB slim 360 cannot play the multiplayer without upgrading the console. casharmy

the 4gig itself is just a rip-off. anyone buying that really doensn't know what they are doing to themselves. MS will create a lot of gimped users who will have to end up paying out more money to play games becaue of the new 4gig console subscription package.

That's totally stupid that just to play this game you need to have more memory than a particular sku of the console actually has.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] Would be kind of dumb if 3 or 4 years laters they didn't incorporate a better Wi-fi unit now wouldn't it? :P Still I find it pretty lame that eraly adopters of the consoles (be it PS3, Xbox or even Wii) have been screwed over by new versions.. yeah we can say "oh he/she should just buy a newer one" but it's not always like that. I don't think any console maker should upgrade their own consoles in a way that early adopters are (or feel like they are) completely screwed over. Some improvements like better power consumption, smaller redesign and so forth are ok by me though.GamerwillzPS

thing is though thats always happened, although late adopters of the PS3 have been screwed over more than early adopters in my book tbh :P

But thats the way of the world, usually newer units ship with better gear, lower hear and lower Nm chipsets and generally more reliable.Its always been like that.

Lower hear? Talk about the grammar...

Newer PS3s are stripped down compared with early ones but if you are using logic, that's cutting the cost - to make it affordable for everybody out there. So stop being a dumb Xbox fanboy and use f**king logic, for Christ's sake!

New PS3 models are also more reliable and uses less power. And seriously, if you use logic, are 4 USB ports and memory card readers from launch PS3 necessary? No, they don't. They are not necessary. All they have done is keeping the price high. Sony have removed unnecessary gimmicks to reduce the production costs and price. 2 USB ports are enough, and 4 are too much.

oh great idiots back didn't see you there and btw thats a thing called a spelling mistake, you know how that r is next to the t, i meant heat.

Most revisions are cost cutting lower die size chipsets need less material and such thus cost less dumbass.Also the newer 360's use less power much like the ps3's due to lower die sizes which consume much less than the hardware revisions, you make some really stupid claims in all honesty its rather hillarious how thick and demented you truely are.

I've been on here for a while, i know my stuff when it comes to it and i know that lower die sizes have been implemented in all 3 consoles over the gen to lower manufacturing costs and thus increase profits and/or means price drops for the consumer.

Sony only removed the features like PS2 backwards compatability and the USB ports because they were haemmorhaging money from producing the PS3 in the early day considering components like the blu-ray were expensive, in all honestly what they did was near enough commercial suicide.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]My point complete proven MS on purpose sabotage Halo 4 with that crap in order to make core owners buy their HDD,the did the same with Halo Reach which was unplayable co-op without hard drive,i am in shock as how 360 fan even defend MS on this kind of crap. MS is one of the worst things to ever happen to this industry. Deevoshun

So what's the problem with MS exactly? Some people bought the Arcade version of the Xbox to save themselves at least $100 and were able to enter this gen on the cheap. Show me a PS3 that sells for what the Arcade sells for then you can start talking about how bad MS is.

Either way MS has gamers on both fronts, those that couldn't get into this gen due to high price of next gen consoles and hardcore gamers that purchased a normal xboxs.

Consumers know they are loosing out on memory when they purchase their $100 cheaper Xbox, but they get to go home and play 100% of Xbox games. Yes this includes Halo 4, Just can't do 4 player MP or can they...

I am sure they all know you can buy one of these on the cheap, this still keeps their savings at least at $90

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139247

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

thing is though thats always happened, although late adopters of the PS3 have been screwed over more than early adopters in my book tbh :P

But thats the way of the world, usually newer units ship with better gear, lower hear and lower Nm chipsets and generally more reliable.Its always been like that.

razgriz_101

Lower hear? Talk about the grammar...

Newer PS3s are stripped down compared with early ones but if you are using logic, that's cutting the cost - to make it affordable for everybody out there. So stop being a dumb Xbox fanboy and use f**king logic, for Christ's sake!

New PS3 models are also more reliable and uses less power. And seriously, if you use logic, are 4 USB ports and memory card readers from launch PS3 necessary? No, they don't. They are not necessary. All they have done is keeping the price high. Sony have removed unnecessary gimmicks to reduce the production costs and price. 2 USB ports are enough, and 4 are too much.

oh great idiots back didn't see you there and btw thats a thing called a spelling mistake, you know how that r is next to the t, i meant heat.

Most revisions are cost cutting lower die size chipsets need less material and such thus cost less dumbass.Also the newer 360's use less power much like the ps3's due to lower die sizes which consume much less than the hardware revisions, you make some really stupid claims in all honesty its rather hillarious how thick and demented you truely are.

I've been on here for a while, i know my stuff when it comes to it and i know that lower die sizes have been implemented in all 3 consoles over the gen to lower manufacturing costs and thus increase profits and/or means price drops for the consumer.

Sony only removed the features like PS2 backwards compatability and the USB ports because they were haemmorhaging money from producing the PS3 in the early day considering components like the blu-ray were expensive, in all honestly what they did was near enough commercial suicide.

It's depressing to think that there are people as dumb as you living on this planet.

What a sad world we are living in...

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Wrong. The arcade isn't aimed at you, or me. Or anyone on system wars, probably. That's why its subscription-based. It's a set-top box to give you access to on-demand TV and light gaming. It's more an entertainment centre than a videogame console. Ninja-Hippo

''That's why its subscription based' is what you said.

I'm telling you it isn't.

2 sKu's were not subscription based, and were aimed at gamers. You can put out falacies about a target audience, but gamers bought them all the same. These gamers now require a paid upgrade in order to play the multiplayer in a retail game.

All the SKu's were aimed at gamers. I challenge you to show me a single piece of evidence that suggests otherwise.

Good luck with that.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]I think the main issue is really that MS have locked out the multiplayer to owners of 4Gb consoles. Yes they can fix it, but they have to spend money to do so. People that bought a 4GB slim 360 cannot play the multiplayer without upgrading the console. Ninja-Hippo

the 4gig itself is just a rip-off. anyone buying that really doensn't know what they are doing to themselves. MS will create a lot of gimped users who will have to end up paying out more money to play games becaue of the new 4gig console subscription package.

so people who bought a xbox360 (sku be damned) wouldn't want to play/try Halo, the systems most acclaimed franchise? You assume much by responding with a "wrong" reply full stop.

Maybe someone just thought they were getting a cheaper console that could still play all the games? nah, that's crazy talk, just forget I even bought that up.

Its not a mandatory install. Its required HDD space to save the game.Plagueless

Children, the future of the world, are arguing over installs now? I should make a thread to see which platform has the best USB ports to stick your d*** in.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Lower hear? Talk about the grammar...

Newer PS3s are stripped down compared with early ones but if you are using logic, that's cutting the cost - to make it affordable for everybody out there. So stop being a dumb Xbox fanboy and use f**king logic, for Christ's sake!

New PS3 models are also more reliable and uses less power. And seriously, if you use logic, are 4 USB ports and memory card readers from launch PS3 necessary? No, they don't. They are not necessary. All they have done is keeping the price high. Sony have removed unnecessary gimmicks to reduce the production costs and price. 2 USB ports are enough, and 4 are too much.

GamerwillzPS

oh great idiots back didn't see you there and btw thats a thing called a spelling mistake, you know how that r is next to the t, i meant heat.

Most revisions are cost cutting lower die size chipsets need less material and such thus cost less dumbass.Also the newer 360's use less power much like the ps3's due to lower die sizes which consume much less than the hardware revisions, you make some really stupid claims in all honesty its rather hillarious how thick and demented you truely are.

I've been on here for a while, i know my stuff when it comes to it and i know that lower die sizes have been implemented in all 3 consoles over the gen to lower manufacturing costs and thus increase profits and/or means price drops for the consumer.

Sony only removed the features like PS2 backwards compatability and the USB ports because they were haemmorhaging money from producing the PS3 in the early day considering components like the blu-ray were expensive, in all honestly what they did was near enough commercial suicide.

It's depressing to think that there are people as dumb as you living on this planet.

What a sad world we are living in...

its mindnumbing how we let people like you to access the internet, you loose an arguement you come up with some pathetic response with no retort because you have nothing to argue as per usual with the cows, leave it to the manticores you know the folks with some sense.

Sit down in the corner and take that sony dick like a good cow.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Looks like the Xbox 360 requires another accessory. Yes, another one alongside with batteries for the controller, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.

Oh what a great console it is! :lol:

Desmonic

wi-fi's built in on the console now, and strangely a better Wi-fi unit than shipped with the current PS3 revisions if im not mistaken.

In the end 360 owners ended up paying more than those who bought the launch PS3.

At launch:

360-$400

WIFI-$100

3 years of XBL-$150

That adds up to $650 for just the first 3 years. It ends up costing over a grand later in the gen. And then you have to take into account those who got the Slim models or replaced their old ones after warrenty expired, they ended up paying another $300, and $60 a year after the price increase.

360 is the most expensive system there is. Buying a console without built in wifi is like buying a car without tires.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]Its not a mandatory install. Its required HDD space to save the game.BibiMaghoo

The 8GB is there to cache data. It won't take up 8GB. This basically like Halo 3/ODST/Reach's co-op HDD requirement. You didn't need to to install anything or have a certain amount of free space, but you still needed the HDD for co-op.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]Its not a mandatory install. Its required HDD space to save the game.BibiMaghoo

This means that either the game will be on two discs, one for SP and one for MP, or that they will both be on the same disc but the SP will be very small, meaning very short campaign, and that most of the game will just be MP.

Hope the former is true because if it's the latter than you can forget about Halo 4, I want good campaigns, not half assed ones that are just tacked on and last like 5 forgettable hours, and then everyone just plays the MP forever.

Wow 360 fans are on a roll..lol Denial on all fronts. $200 for a core. $60 for xbox live $60 for Halo. The look of Average joe gamer when he sees that he can't play multplayer because of the lack of HDD Priceless...loltormentos

Then average joe should be a savvy consumer and shop around.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Wow 360 fans are on a roll..lol Denial on all fronts. $200 for a core. $60 for xbox live $60 for Halo. The look of Average joe gamer when he sees that he can't play multplayer because of the lack of HDD Priceless...lolrazgriz_101

Then average joe should be a savvy consumer and shop around.