Halo 5 = 8, Gears 4 = 7. Is it end of an era for MS?

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#151  Edited By speedfog
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Gears 4 at IGN scored 9.2.

Nono like I say in every thread, today cows love gamespot reviews, tomorrow they love IGN reviews.

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#152  Edited By dynamitecop
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@Quicksilver128 said:

@dynamitecop: Its a franchise that has scored lower not only on Gamespot but gaming sights as a whole. And yes gamers do care about that. It doesn't mean they are not good franchises but they no longer carry the critical claim they use to and its a good chance they may not sell as well as they use too. The point is MS meeds to gamble on some new IPS.

No need for you to have a meltdown.

It's not a meltdown, it's you making stupid assertions, it's an 84.... 84 out of 100... that's only 1.6 points lower than a 10/10...

The only ones projecting that it matters or that this is some kind of low score are those like you who don't even own the game, relevant platform or even care, lay off the meth.

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#153 Quicksilver128
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@dynamitecop: Well i own the game and the relevant platform. Im projecting it matters because im tired of MS relying on three franchises (only one of which is in its prime).

And no its not a stupid assertion, there franchises no longer push the boundries and they refuse to take any risk. Is Gears 4 a good game? I think so.. but do i want Gears 5 and Gears 6? Not really.. and thats a problem.

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#154 sailor232
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@Snowywonders: Cheers for the tips, I guess it doesn't help that my ping is constantly over 230, I live in New Zealand so playing even against Australians the ping is huge.

Ping over 230? I'd rather quit video games, and just go outside to play with a stick.

Some sticks have pretty good graphics.

Exactly, New Zealand is a crap whole country, especially for gaming, so far from anyone, I don't play much Competitive online because of the massive ping, I have fun for a while but give up, I'm basically shooting air because the person I think is there isn't.

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#155 cainetao11
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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: The fact is it went from a AAA franchise to a AA franchise. Let that sink in.

But that happened back in 2013, why are you trying to play it up now? Why is it so hard to accept they raised the series up a bit if you're going to bring up metacritic? Why does it hurt you?

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#156  Edited By trollhunter2
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@dynamitecop said:
@StrongBlackVine said:

@dynamitecop: You don't find it almost unbelievable that Microsoft has not managed to release a single sustainable AAA IP since Gears 1 back in 2007?

what has Sony or Nintendo done recently with newer IP's to create sustainability? I can't think of anything.

Since 2008

Sony: LBP, Gravity Rush, (Tearaway), Bloodborne, The Last of Us, Infamous, (Puppeteer),

Nintendo: Splatoon, nintendo shop exclusive puzzle game

On Topic: I agree that MS need to shake up the formula(kinda like what santa monica did with GOW) or invest in better New IP. The hack Don Mattrick really led to the fall of MS first party focus :/

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#157 trollhunter2
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@Douevenlift_bro said:

Yes. If all of Sony's so called "killer aps" flopped, it will be deemed as the end of an era.

The idiots in collective outrage at this thread are the same idiots who were screaming that PS4 had no games and we should wait for MS's "bombs". Yeah, they were bombs alright. Massive flops

this is also true, but you gotta keep the console wars alive

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#158 blackace
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@SolidGame_basic: GS = Worst reviewing game site in the world. M$ is actually stronger now then they were when the system launched. End of an ERA?

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#159 cainetao11
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@Quicksilver128 said:

@dynamitecop: Its a franchise that has scored lower not only on Gamespot but gaming sights as a whole. And yes gamers do care about that. It doesn't mean they are not good franchises but they no longer carry the critical claim they use to and its a good chance they may not sell as well as they use too. The point is MS meeds to gamble on some new IPS.

No need for you to have a meltdown.

But it scored higher than the previous 2 Gears releases on Metacrititc, unlike you said. LOL why does the truth hurt you?

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#160  Edited By Quicksilver128
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@cainetao11: You counted a re- release as a separate title lol. It hurts me because Gears has fallen off and its growing stale which is sad as its one of the Xbones premiere franchises. I'm just acknowledging a simple truth and you are to butthurt to admit MS has slipped a bit.

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#161  Edited By dynamitecop
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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: You counted a re- release as a separate title lol. It hurts me because Gears has fallen off and its growing stale which is sad as its one of the Xbones premiere franchises. I'm just acknowledging a simple truth and you are to butthurt to admit MS has slipped a bit.

"Gears has fallen off"

It's got an 84/100 with very positive provisional reviews still unaccounted for... 84/100... 8.4/10.... 4.2/5 stars...

You people are acting like its aggregate is a 60/100 and your cat just died...

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#162 Quicksilver128
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@dynamitecop: Did i say its a bad game? I bought it and i enjoy it. Its not a bad game... but how much longer can it last? After Gears 1 and 2 i wanted more and i thought the third one ended it well. You dont think they need to mix things up a bit?

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#163  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@trollhunter2: Sony gets credit for not just Bloodborne, but the entire Souls franchise. They funded Demon's Souls which is still a PS exclusive to this day. They made the mistake of not realizing what they had, but none of those games exist without them. Bloodborne was an excellent way to make amends though and I can't wait until they announce the sequel. Probably at E3 2017.

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#164 cainetao11
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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: You counted a re- release as a separate title lol. It hurts me because Gears has fallen off and its growing stale which is sad as its one of the Xbones premiere franchises. I'm just acknowledging a simple truth and you are to butthurt to admit MS has slipped a bit.

LOL sure. Not like I called the score from the reviewer on page two of the hype thread a full week before the review went up, no its me being butthurt.

@Quicksilver128 said:

@dynamitecop: Did i say its a bad game? I bought it and i enjoy it. Its not a bad game... but how much longer can it last? After Gears 1 and 2 i wanted more and i thought the third one ended it well. You dont think they need to mix things up a bit?

Its only out a few days and you're crying about its future. Enjoy the game you bought dude, and stop lying about it being lower than the previous releases because as I have shown it isn't. Yes I include a remaster as it was the first bit of work this new dev studio did and because the entire review industry includes it hence the reviewed the game. If it did not count for anything, why would it have a metascore? LOL

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#165  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@dynamitecop: 84 is GOOD score and well within the acceptable range I would deem a day one purchase. In my eyes 90 and above is the gold standard though. You even predicted a 93 so you also place some value in higher scores as you expected that from an IP with such a decorated history.

Some games just have higher expectations. If The Last Of Us 2 is only an 85 I would call that a disappointment. I will be happy if games like The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2 and Resident Evil 7, FFXV, Horizon Zero Dawn etc manage an 85. If Zelda Breath Of The Wild scores less than a 90 Nintendo fans will lose their damn minds. That is just how it goes.

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#166 Quicksilver128
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@cainetao11: Im not worried about the future of the game im worried about the future of the franchise. And you pointing to the fact it scored higher then a remaster and a prequel made by a different studio isnt reassuring.

They need to mix it up and do something different.

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#167  Edited By cainetao11
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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: Im not worried about the future of the game im worried about the future of the franchise. And you pointing to the fact it scored higher then a remaster and a prequel made by a different studio isnt reassuring.

They need to mix it up and do something different.

But 4 is made by a different studio than Epic. Why did you expect it to be at Epic's level? I don't believe any person looking forward to Gears4 expected that because its the fifth game and third dev studio to be involved. But an 84/100 is a great score unless you play that retard way of thinking where anything below 8/10 is average and then bad.

Why worry about the franchise? There is nothing you can do about it. You're crying just to cry at this point. Its like running around screaming for attention. The franchise will go the way it goes, I live in the here and now, and right now there is a great NEW Gears game to play.

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#168  Edited By intotheminx
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@dynamitecop said:

GameSpot =/= the world at large.

Take a vacation from this bubble you live in.

I can agree with this. Gears 4 is exceptional and if I'm not mistaken IGN gave it a 9 along with other sites. GS is not the end all be all. Gotta break away from that mentality....especially when the reviewer obviously does not like Gears. The guy gave UE a 7 as well. Hard to take that seriously.

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#169 FLOPPAGE_50
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@Chutebox said:
@FLOPPAGE_50 said:

@Chutebox: dont butthurr over the truth.

Isnt selling as well either

Lol, ya we're done.

Awe? can't handle it?

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#170  Edited By SonySoldier-_-
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It's not surprising at all that Gears of War 4 flopped.

It's a has been series.

The original Gears of War was cool when it came out like 10 years ago. But this isn't 2006 anymore.

Now the series is nothing but a has been, Rehash.

Uncharted 4 is vastly superior in every way. That's why it got a perfect 10 score.

TLHBO

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#171 Quicksilver128
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@cainetao11: Well i guess you have lower expectations. You also tend to be a bit dramatic.... crying really? The fact is MS can't seem to invest in quality IPs hence the reason there current IPS are growing stale. Its not crying its called having higher standards.

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#172  Edited By cainetao11
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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: Well i guess you have lower expectations. You also tend to be a bit dramatic.... crying really? The fact is MS can't seem to invest in quality IPs hence the reason there current IPS are growing stale. Its not crying its called having higher standards.

LOL I've said it before but I'll say it again. I don't put self created barriers to what I may have fun with in my life and that is all "standards" are. So if you want to limit what you can enjoy in life by creating some non sense barrier to it, knock yourself out. Its just another egoistic tool a person uses to make themselves feel superior to another.

And yes you are crying. Anybody that reads our discourse can see you were wrong about this game scoring lower than the previous release, complained the previous one was made by a different studio ignoring that this was also made by a different studio, ignore the Gears Ultimate edition as a recent Gears release while the industry of reviewers hasn't hence it has a metascore. You say you aren't worried about the game but are for the franchise. Like I said, what good does that do? You cant do anything about the direction it goes in. And you claim I'm dramatic? Your the one adding worry to something beyond your control LOL

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#173 Quicksilver128
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@cainetao11: What self created barrier have i made exactly? I own the game and the platform its on im simply acknowledging an issue with MS first party.

You want to talk about crying? You cant even take a legitimate criticism about your company of choice. Thats why you bring up a remaster and act as if a brand new title in the franchise scoring higher then a remake is a remarkable achievement. If you fail to acknowledge any criticisms you're a puppet.

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#174 tormentos
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@dynamitecop:

Resistance had 86 and the second 87 and they were branded here as trash,uncharted df as well becuase they fail to hit 90 or better warhawk ratchet as well last gen it was 90 or better to be consider good let alone great but since halo gears and forza were getting those it was ok for lems to downplay anything under 90.

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#175 blackace
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@kvally said:

Are the cows mad that a game on the PS4 still hasn't outsold Halo 5? LOL.

It's funny that Cows talk about sales, but I haven't found any PS4 exclusive that have sold over 5 million units. I think Uncharted 4 is the closest. The PS4 have over 40 million sold and the XB1 has probably over 21 million sold. How does Bloodborne not have over 5 million sold yet? Pretty sad. Salty cows everywhere in this thread.

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#176 kvally
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@blackace said:
@kvally said:

Are the cows mad that a game on the PS4 still hasn't outsold Halo 5? LOL.

It's funny that Cows talk about sales, but I haven't found any PS4 exclusive that have sold over 5 million units. I think Uncharted 4 is the closest. The PS4 have over 40 million sold and the XB1 has probably over 21 million sold. How does Bloodborne not have over 5 million sold yet? Pretty sad. Salty cows everywhere in this thread.

Well, that was 5 million almost 11 months ago. I would guess that Halo 5 is probably closer to 7 million by now.

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#177  Edited By cainetao11
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@Quicksilver128: Why should I acknowledge your criticism's? I can't play games with your time, taste or money?

I have my own criticism's of the game. That was never what our back and forth was about. You made a statement, it's flat out wrong by factual numbers, you tried to dodge this with bullshit about who ever wanted judgement, and if Gears remaster shouldn't count take it up with gaming sites for reviewing separately from the original release. Keep crying for the future fella, gonna change a whole lot.

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#178 vgmkyle
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Gamespot only reviews the story, if you want reviews for gameplay of Halo and Gears, go to a competitive site where people actually play the two games you listed.

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@FLOPPAGE_50 said:
@tormentos said:
@dynamitecop said:

Low 80's? They're both at 84, that's mid 80's, and Gears of War 4 has two reviews in progress currently sitting at provisional scores of 90 and 92 with another review in progress which is extremely positive... Also Splatoon? You're preaching about it being a hit and dogging on Halo and Gears, yet both Halo 5 and Gears of War 4 currently sit 3 points higher on Metacritic than Splatoon with an 81...

What is logic...

They don't need shit.. Would I like more games from them? Absolutely, but this doomsday nonsense is mindnumbingly stupid, and quite frankly, it's getting old..

NO mid 80 is 85,84 is on the lower side of 80´s not on the middle or higher.

Splatoon is a no name franchise new,unlike Halo or gears or Forza Motorsport 6 which also seat below 90 on meta.

Stop crying they need something new,is a shame the highest xbox game outside FH3 not on PS4 is Ori a indie game something you lemmings hate this gen for some reason.

lmao cows are the ones doing the crying.. non of us "lems" ever complain about these games, you guys do LOL

Wrong on so many levels Lems cry when Bayonetted 2 got a 10 and when Uncharted 4 score a 10 and lets not forget when Metal Gear 4 Solid Snake for ps3 score a 10 lems wants nuts

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@kvally said:
@Douevenlift_bro said:

The O.G Xbox was so much more exciting with games like Ninja Gaiden, DOA etc as exclusives. Lems, if you cant even ADMIT that things arent going so great, that's your problem. You encourage MS to continue to shaft you

Sony was FORCED to get better by listening to gamers. Is Microsoft supposed to listen to it's delusional base ?

I am sure the lems will admit that things aren't going so great if cows admit that the PSbore isn't going so great nor are the flop games. As long as you don't encourage Sony to shaft you over and over.

That was incoherent. Talk like an adult

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@cainetao11: Its factually lower rated then the first three Gears games... you can DC all you want and act as if its some amazing feat that its higher rated then a remaster of a 10 year old game.

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#182 kvally
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@Douevenlift_bro: you are trying to hard.

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#183  Edited By kvally
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@Quicksilver128: what act are you on?

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#184 Quicksilver128
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@kvally: Just started and stopped actually, im going to play through the whole series again. I beat judgement last night and then im going to start on Ultimate, then finish two and three again, then finish four. But the little i played i enjoyed it.

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#185 FLOPPAGE_50
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@kyacat said:
@FLOPPAGE_50 said:
@tormentos said:
@dynamitecop said:

Low 80's? They're both at 84, that's mid 80's, and Gears of War 4 has two reviews in progress currently sitting at provisional scores of 90 and 92 with another review in progress which is extremely positive... Also Splatoon? You're preaching about it being a hit and dogging on Halo and Gears, yet both Halo 5 and Gears of War 4 currently sit 3 points higher on Metacritic than Splatoon with an 81...

What is logic...

They don't need shit.. Would I like more games from them? Absolutely, but this doomsday nonsense is mindnumbingly stupid, and quite frankly, it's getting old..

NO mid 80 is 85,84 is on the lower side of 80´s not on the middle or higher.

Splatoon is a no name franchise new,unlike Halo or gears or Forza Motorsport 6 which also seat below 90 on meta.

Stop crying they need something new,is a shame the highest xbox game outside FH3 not on PS4 is Ori a indie game something you lemmings hate this gen for some reason.

lmao cows are the ones doing the crying.. non of us "lems" ever complain about these games, you guys do LOL

Wrong on so many levels Lems cry when Bayonetted 2 got a 10 and when Uncharted 4 score a 10 and lets not forget when Metal Gear 4 Solid Snake for ps3 score a 10 lems wants nuts

No one cried, you got trolled.

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#186 FLOPPAGE_50
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@speedfog said:

Gears 4 at IGN scored 9.2.

Nono like I say in every thread, today cows love gamespot reviews, tomorrow they love IGN reviews.

Cows flip flop so much, especially this past 2 months, Sony has been getting a horrible rep nearly everywhere

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#187 csward
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@ProtossRushX said:

It's the end of an era

The new games just aren't as fun.

Wheres my mass effect wheres my new bioshock game on xb1?

Wheres my Kotor my fable my halo.

Wheres the big hitting sexy games like dead or alive and beach volley ball on xb1?

THe xb1 is barren wasteland filled mediocority wheres the big fancy new stuff?

This. The major AAA studios are too afraid of failure so they are leaning heavily on what works. Hard to blame them after what happened to THQ.

The problem is fatigue sets it after so many formulamatic sequels and people look else for more exciting entertainment. I've felt this from Sony, M$, and Nintendo in the past few years.

Very few big devs are trying to shake their IPs and if they are, they aren't turning out well enough to justify the investment. It's a very bad situation. :(

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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: Its factually lower rated then the first three Gears games... you can DC all you want and act as if its some amazing feat that its higher rated then a remaster of a 10 year old game.

But you didn't say the FIRST 3 games, dildo brain. You said the previous releases and the 2 games with the Gears name that were immediately released prior were rated lower. You are moving goal posts and trying to change shit because you cant take you misspoke and were called on it. LOL big baby

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@cainetao11: Big baby? You are throwing a temper tantrum because Gears has fallen off. Its not even AA here on GS and you had to bring up a prequel and a re-release. Meanwhile UC4 gets a 10 and holds a 93 on MC. Stop grasping for straws and see reality.

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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: Big baby? You are throwing a temper tantrum because Gears has fallen off. Its not even AA here on GS and you had to bring up a prequel and a re-release. Meanwhile UC4 gets a 10 and holds a 93 on MC. Stop grasping for straws and see reality.

LOL I'm really not. Like I said, I called not only the 7/10 but the exact reviewer, Mahardy a week before it ever came out. Your defense here has been to put your fingers in your ears and say lalalalala, cant hear you!

Now you bring up Uncharted as if any of this was about comparing the two LMAO What does Uncharted have to do with you saying "Gears 4 scored lower than the previous releases here and on metacritic" which I replied to with the facts that it did not. Gears 4 scored lower than Gears 1-3, but the two previous produccts with the Gears name it out scored at meta. And you cant take it. You have been trying to spin your way out since like an Impala caught by a crocodile.

All you had to say was "I meant the first 3 Gears games". It would have been okey doke, peace out. But your a lil bitch who couldnt admit he misspoke. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I cant take it that Gears has fallen off? Dude you're the one that posted, "I'm worried about teh franchise" waaaaaaahhh! You're really bad at debating. You dont even remember the crap you post that I'm just going to use against you HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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@cainetao11: That just sounded like the ramblings of a mad fanboy. Perhaps you should read my previous post. My entire argument is based off the fact that MS fails to invest in new IPs. And the current franchise's they have , have fallen off. That can be seen by the lower scoring average of there current games. I brought up UC4 because it is also the 4th installment of a game in the same genre on a competing platform and it has managed to improve upon its previous entries.

All you have focused on is the fact that Gears 4 scored higher then Judgement and the remaster and thats the your entire debate. Not only do you suck at coming up with a logical argument but you lack basic reading comprehension. This tends to happen when you blindly follow one company. My argument is that MS relies on the same IPs and lacks the ability to improve upon those IPs. So please come up with an argument that disputes that.

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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: That just sounded like the ramblings of a mad fanboy. Perhaps you should read my previous post. My entire argument is based off the fact that MS fails to invest in new IPs. And the current franchise's they have , have fallen off. That can be seen by the lower scoring average of there current games. I brought up UC4 because it is also the 4th installment of a game in the same genre on a competing platform and it has managed to improve upon its previous entries.

All you have focused on is the fact that Gears 4 scored higher then Judgement and the remaster and thats the your entire debate. Not only do you suck at coming up with a logical argument but you lack basic reading comprehension. This tends to happen when you blindly follow one company. My argument is that MS relies on the same IPs and lacks the ability to improve upon those IPs. So please come up with an argument that disputes that.

And I never stated otherwise in regards to MS. I merely pointed out you are wrong on where Gears 4 stands in regards to the previous releases as the previous 2 products scored lower. You have since brought up all sorts of other shit that I never addressed, and here is the umpteenth post by you doing so. We're done baby boy.

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@cainetao11: Did i argue with you that it didn't score higher then the last two entries? I just told you how irrelevant it was and because you have the debate skills of a 4 year old you couldn't see the point. Yes child we are done.

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@Quicksilver128 said:

@cainetao11: Did i argue with you that it didn't score higher then the last two entries? I just told you how irrelevant it was and because you have the debate skills of a 4 year old you couldn't see the point. Yes child we are done.

Okey doke.

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#195  Edited By PETERAKO
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battlefield1= 9, is this the dawnfall of EA?!

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#196  Edited By dobzilian
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Scalebound will be their top tier action / adventure game.

Until then is there any other games releasing on ms platform exclusive wise!?