Halo Reach New GRAPHICS KING. Sorry PS3 you can never beat this!!!!!!

ohh so now we're stating 'console graphics king' based on hhmm air.. cause we've seen nothing yet for Halo Reach except some speculations..

Well in that case just to keep it funny, Halo Reach will take the 'console graphics king' award only to be replaced later by Killzone3, which will then pass the title on to Geow3, which will then pass it on to Uncharted3 and so on... (you see we all can speculate and assume stuff) :)

ohh i also bet that Forza4 & GT6 will look amazing on PS4 & next Xbox but boards will be flooded by shots for Crysis 3 (PC version)by that time:P

Lmao, funny that Ati put something into a console card that they didn't even implement in PC cards at the time of launch for the 360. Heck it was what 11/2 years after the release of the 360 that Ati came out with a DX10 card. While Nvidia had already been doing DX10 with its cards, heck if any hidden features are in anything it would be the ps3.

But for the most part DX10 hasn't really added that much if anything at all, most games ran in DX9 on the pc doesn't really lose anything when compared to the DX10 versions, much less DX11 lol. Most have realised that DX10 was just a selling point for Vista for MS. Now they are using DX11 to sell Halo Reach? WoW.

GreyFoXX4

ATi cards have been capable of doing Tessellation since the R200 cards(Radeon 8500)....

You are wrong about them not putting it in their cards....

As for the Unified Shaders, that was announced as a DX10 feature a while before the Xbox 360 came out, and Ati was using the Xenos as a sort of prototype for that feature...

Xenos is not DX10 capable. Don't say that it is.... And Halo: Reach won't do DX11. This article was written by an ignorant fool.

DX10 wasn't just a selling point for Vista... DX10 is way better than DX9. But only if the code is written specifically for DX10....

Claiming New Graphics King without pics .....

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[QUOTE="aia89"] yeah..like Killzone, except it sucks. Watch "the thin red line", just an example, instead of playing these wannabe embarrassing movies, because that's all they are, pretty pictures with terrible gameplay, stupid stories and no fun at all.aia89

Goes to show that 360 fanboys are more extreme than PS3 ones.

agree with everything you say,it's pretty sad that there's text games from the 80's that have more depth than alot of the crap coming out nowadays.

but it's kind of pointless preaching this in SW,where everyone is just a superficial Sony/Xbox fanboy that have only started gaming one or two gens ago and only care about graphics,they would stick their' nose up at a roguelike rpg and say "WTF is dis?...mah character iz a letter?...tis is stoopid lol"

Wow, TC....desperated much? To disprove something you can't change :P

Joke topic.

& don't feeda delusional troll.

The PS3 can develop 2 tetraflops while the 360 displays one. The PS3 has the best graphics.Pices

That means the PS3 is more powerful than a 4870.... nope....

The PS3 can develop 2 tetraflops while the 360 displays one. The PS3 has the best graphics.Pices

The PS3 is roughly 400 GFLOPS total. The 2 TFLOP figure was complete marketing BS.... Don't believe it.

I'm not a fanboy, but that is a strong comment, you play your 16 player halo, i'll sit tight with 256 player MAG and my blu-ray power...

We have to see screens/footage of it 1st you know.

mitu123

You know one side is getting desperate when they say you can never beat this and produce ...NOTHING. And graphics king and Halo do not belong in the same topic, let alone the same sentence.

Desperate times man, Uncharted 2 really done a number on them lemmings. Made their brains melt or something

[QUOTE="aia89"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Goes to show that 360 fanboys are more extreme than PS3 ones.

Kandlegoat

agree with everything you say,it's pretty sad that there's text games from the 80's that have more depth than alot of the crap coming out nowadays.

but it's kind of pointless preaching this in SW,where everyone is just a superficial Sony/Xbox fanboy that have only started gaming one or two gens ago and only care about graphics,they would stick their' nose up at a roguelike rpg and say "WTF is dis?...mah character iz a letter?...tis is stoopid lol"

[QUOTE="Pices"]The PS3 can develop 2 tetraflops while the 360 displays one. The PS3 has the best graphics.horrowhip

The PS3 is roughly 400 GFLOPS total. The 2 TFLOP figure was complete marketing BS.... Don't believe it.

Lol at people still comparing graphics on 2 very out dated machines. Ps3 and 360 are pretty much the same and any difference in graphics is so small it dosent matter. I guess you have to have a gaming pc to see how lame threads like these are. Lol at console graphics.

Ok look my intention was to not turn this into a major tech showcase. Or a Nerd VS a Troll

Listen the point is. The ATI GPU in the 360 is custom built and in development for many years not like the RSX which was an off the shelf GPU that Sony ran 2 after then dumped the Cell as the GPU at the last min, Not only that the RSX sat on the shelf finished for about 10 months just waiting to be put into the PS3 because of the delayed launch.

Anyway The ATI GPU in the 360 Is basically a DX9.5 But it has some ideas of DX 10 built in. And being ATI GPU's can mimic some effects it's not a far stretch that a talented developer could make some similer effects seen in a DX11 game not fully but could try and be close and mimic it. But lets throw DX11 out the window lets stick to basically DX9.5 with some DX10 ideas that can be achieved on some levels even if small. Either way still far better then what the RSX can do.

Lets also rember that the 360 GPU has built in physics tech that I do not think has even been tapped at all by any developer of yet?

Anyway what this boils down to is $$$ Developers stick to what they know and do it for as cheap as possible. So is it any suprize that it is Bungie and Halo that will start to open Pandora's box on the 360 GPU. Really if anyone we should expect it to be Bungie really when we think about it. Halo HUGE selling game far less risk on development cost so it's a NO BRAINIER.

And in the future we should see other developers take notes and learn techneichs from Bungie on how they tapped the 360 GPU for the extra goodies.

So yes the 360 will start to flex it's GPU even if it is towards the tail end of the gen. Either way the 360 should have itself a few games that truly TRULY SHINE and this is why MS said hey trust us we have some sick stuff on the way.

[QUOTE="Pices"]The PS3 can develop 2 tetraflops while the 360 displays one. The PS3 has the best graphics.Camer999

That means the PS3 is more powerful than a 4870.... nope....

Yeah the 2 terraflop and 1 terraflop number where complete **** and lies. Sony claimed the RSX was capable of 1.8 terraflops... thats about 6x the power of the 7900GT which RSX is a gimped version of.

1.) There were no screenshots or videos at link.

2.)"...modified version of the Halo 3 engine."...Yeah, don't count on this one being graphically impressive.

Also the article is complete crap. The author claims the Xenos is beyond DX9 but not quite DX10 and then lists a bunch of DX11 features and somehow extrapulates that they will be used in Halo: REACH. I'm sorry but that doesnt make any sense at all. Tesselation yes but they arent going to make use of hull shader and domain shader. These arent graphical features that can be simulated in some way, they are a set of instructions that simply dont exist on the Xenos.

1.) There were no screenshots or videos at link.

2.)"...modified version of the Halo 3 engine."...Yeah, don't count on this one being graphically impressive.

urdead18

I would suggest you leave the thread and go do some research. It is a BRAND NEW in house custome built from the ground up graphics engine being built and it is said to start to use some of the advanced tech in the ATI 360 GPU that has not been tapped yet. Some features that the PS3 RSX does not have the ability to do.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

1.) There were no screenshots or videos at link.

2.)"...modified version of the Halo 3 engine."...Yeah, don't count on this one being graphically impressive.

Pimp_Dog09

I would suggest you leave the thread and go do some research. It is a BRAND NEW in house custome built from the ground up graphics engine being built and it is said to start to use some of the advanced tech in the ATI 360 GPU that has not been tapped yet. Some features that thr PS3 RSX does not have the ability to do.

Lmao, funny that Ati put something into a console card that they didn't even implement in PC cards at the time of launch for the 360. Heck it was what 11/2 years after the release of the 360 that Ati came out with a DX10 card. While Nvidia had already been doing DX10 with its cards, heck if any hidden features are in anything it would be the ps3.

But for the most part DX10 hasn't really added that much if anything at all, most games ran in DX9 on the pc doesn't really lose anything when compared to the DX10 versions, much less DX11 lol. Most have realised that DX10 was just a selling point for Vista for MS. Now they are using DX11 to sell Halo Reach? WoW.

GreyFoXX4

almost entirely wrong on everything. nvidia did not have a direct 3d 10 card until the launch of the 8800 series one year after the launch of the 360 (8800 in nov. 2006.) ati launched the 2900 with d3d 10 in march 2007 and was the first to launch d3d 10.1 and will be the first to launch d3d 11 later this year with the release of windows 7 around oct/nov. the gpu in the ps3, the RSX, is based on the 7800 gt, a dx 9 card, but with a smaller ring bus and lower bandwidth. further more, the rsx uses opengl, it doesn't use directx.

d3d 10 added some new features but was pretty much a more efficient version of dx 9 that was to be a selling point for vista. d3d 11 will be huge in regards to d3d 10 but unlike d3d 10 and just like d3d 10, will require new hardware to take full advantage of. unlike d3d 10, d3d 11 will be able to run on an older version of windows (vista, it's not 7 proprietary).

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

1.) There were no screenshots or videos at link.

2.)"...modified version of the Halo 3 engine."...Yeah, don't count on this one being graphically impressive.

Pimp_Dog09

I would suggest you leave the thread and go do some research. It is a BRAND NEW in house custome built from the ground up graphics engine being built and it is said to start to use some of the advanced tech in the ATI 360 GPU that has not been tapped yet. Some features that the PS3 RSX does not have the ability to do.

[QUOTE="Pimp_Dog09"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

1.) There were no screenshots or videos at link.

2.)"...modified version of the Halo 3 engine."...Yeah, don't count on this one being graphically impressive.

urdead18

I would suggest you leave the thread and go do some research. It is a BRAND NEW in house custome built from the ground up graphics engine being built and it is said to start to use some of the advanced tech in the ATI 360 GPU that has not been tapped yet. Some features that the PS3 RSX does not have the ability to do.

AC2?

[QUOTE="Pimp_Dog09"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

1.) There were no screenshots or videos at link.

2.)"...modified version of the Halo 3 engine."...Yeah, don't count on this one being graphically impressive.

dream431ca

I would suggest you leave the thread and go do some research. It is a BRAND NEW in house custome built from the ground up graphics engine being built and it is said to start to use some of the advanced tech in the ATI 360 GPU that has not been tapped yet. Some features that thr PS3 RSX does not have the ability to do.

[QUOTE="Pimp_Dog09"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

1.) There were no screenshots or videos at link.

2.)"...modified version of the Halo 3 engine."...Yeah, don't count on this one being graphically impressive.

dream431ca

I would suggest you leave the thread and go do some research. It is a BRAND NEW in house custome built from the ground up graphics engine being built and it is said to start to use some of the advanced tech in the ATI 360 GPU that has not been tapped yet. Some features that thr PS3 RSX does not have the ability to do.

No games really had to as of yet being this gen has been mostly multiplat not to mention the 360 versions look better anyway but that is another story nother thread.

Anyway We should start to see some of this being flexed by the 360 GPU with games like Alan Wake and the new Halo Reach.

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[QUOTE="aia89"] i'm not only talking about ps3 games, but in general. also xbox 360 has a lot of embarrassing wannabe movies. This generation of games is all about graphics discussion, this is sad. I started playing with frogger, q-bert, pac-man on a 386 system, so I can see how the gaming market has gotten more and more ROTTEN, the true concept of videogaming went to pot. You people fail to realize that what you call HARDCORE GAMES are nothing but a bunch of pretty graphics with learning curves, easy stupid gameplay, short longevity and so forth. If someone here is old enough MUST agree with me here, because the real hardcore games are exceptions nowadays. people call hardcore games stuff like GTA IV, GOW. COD and so on.. but they fail to realize that they HAVE NOTHING hardcore at all. Try playing some old games so you'll realize what hardcore truly means. that's all.aia89

agree with everything you say,it's pretty sad that there's text games from the 80's that have more depth than alot of the crap coming out nowadays.

but it's kind of pointless preaching this in SW,where everyone is just a superficial Sony/Xbox fanboy that have only started gaming one or two gens ago and only care about graphics,they would stick their' nose up at a roguelike rpg and say "WTF is dis?...mah character iz a letter?...tis is stoopid lol"

haha I actually liked Deadspace,as simple and tedious that the game could get at times,it was very atmospheric.Made me feel like I was in one of the Alien Movies..I get what you're saying though..Like game devs are becoming more concerned with Graphics than gameplay..which is sad..also games have also had a decline when it comes to challenge,with hand-holding and all..

if you own a Ps3,I recommend Demon's souls,that game is a nice oldschool/hardcore ARPG. reminds me of what used to be good about gaming.A breath of fresh air quite frankly.

i doubt its gonna look any better than Killzone 2.

No pics=fail.

Uncharted 2 still wins.

Ok look my intention was to not turn this into a major tech showcase. Or a Nerd VS a Troll

Listen the point is. The ATI GPU in the 360 is custom built and in development for many years not like the RSX which was an off the shelf GPU that Sony ran 2 after then dumped the Cell as the GPU at the last min, Not only that the RSX sat on the shelf finished for about 10 months just waiting to be put into the PS3 because of the delayed launch.

Anyway The ATI GPU in the 360 Is basically a DX9.5 But it has some ideas of DX 10 built in. And being ATI GPU's can mimic some effects it's not a far stretch that a talented developer could make some similer effects seen in a DX11 game not fully but could try and be close and mimic it. But lets throw DX11 out the window lets stick to basically DX9.5 with some DX10 ideas that can be achieved on some levels even if small. Either way still far better then what the RSX can do.

Lets also rember that the 360 GPU has built in physics tech that I do not think has even been tapped at all by any developer of yet?

Anyway what this boils down to is $$$ Developers stick to what they know and do it for as cheap as possible. So is it any suprize that it is Bungie and Halo that will start to open Pandora's box on the 360 GPU. Really if anyone we should expect it to be Bungie really when we think about it. Halo HUGE selling game far less risk on development cost so it's a NO BRAINIER.

And in the future we should see other developers take notes and learn techneichs from Bungie on how they tapped the 360 GPU for the extra goodies.

So yes the 360 will start to flex it's GPU even if it is towards the tail end of the gen. Either way the 360 should have itself a few games that truly TRULY SHINE and this is why MS said hey trust us we have some sick stuff on the way.

Pimp_Dog09

The Xenos CANNOT mimic DX10 effects. IT SIMPLY CANNOT.

Yes, it has optimizations that were designed for DX10, but those were both primarily to increase the programmability of the hardware, not the actual capability.... Unified Shaders and MEMEXPORT are great features that make the entire card much easier to program for. But they in no way expand the hardware into the realms of DX10 level graphical effects.

Tessellation IS possible on the Xenos however. Just as Tessellation is possible on the Radeon 8500, you can do Tessellation on the Xenos. All ATi cards have that ability. And Tessellation is a great feature. But it isn't really all that much to do with DX10 or even really DX11 features. DX11 makes Hardware Tessellators mandatory on all future GPU's. ATi has been doing that for a long time. nVidia, not so much.

almost entirely wrong on everything. nvidia did not have a direct 3d 10 card until the launch of the 8800 series one year after the launch of the 360 (8800 in nov. 2006.) ati launched the 2900 with d3d 10 in march 2007 and was the first to launch d3d 10.1 and will be the first to launch d3d 11 later this year with the release of windows 7 around oct/nov. the gpu in the ps3, the RSX, is based on the 7800 gt, a dx 9 card, but with a smaller ring bus and lower bandwidth. further more, the rsx uses opengl, it doesn't use directx.

d3d 10 added some new features but was pretty much a more efficient version of dx 9 that was to be a selling point for vista. d3d 11 will be huge in regards to d3d 10 but unlike d3d 10 and just like d3d 10, will require new hardware to take full advantage of. unlike d3d 10, d3d 11 will be able to run on an older version of windows (vista, it's not 7 proprietary).

cowgriller

D3D 10 was not a more efficient version of D3D 9... D3D 10 was an entirely rewritten API with a ton of architectural differences from D3D 9. That is why attempts to take D3D 9 code and then sprinkle D3D 10 effects on top didn't prove to be successful or efficient. DX 10 was much more than a selling point for Vista, it was designed as a sort of refresh of DX. It completely renewed the API and streamlined everything about it. It added new features like the Geometry Shader and demanded Unified Shaders in the hardware. D3D 10 was in every single way, the single greatest improvement that DX had seen over the previous version. People like to claim that it was a waste given that we haven't seen massive performance improvements, but in order to really use DX10, you have to write and engine from the ground up for DX10. There are no half-way measures with it. You can't just add DX10 features on top of a DX9 engine without giving up all the performance improvements... No game released thus far is a true DX10 game. Not even Crysis. DX10 has simply not been used properly yet.

Also, D3D 11 is a subset of D3D10. Most of its features can be accessed by DX10 cards. However, a couple features require specific hardware.

I don't know what's sadder, the fact this thread exists or that people actually take this fakeboy thread serious. DeadMagazines

lulz. This game will reach the maximum potential of the 360..... just like Red Faction: Guerilla did. Give me a break.aaronmullan

you wanna be "Graphicz King"? ok...

*pulls out Burger King hat and places on your head*

ok your thing is the Graphicz King feel better? wanna medal?

gimme a break...

just buy both consoles if your so worried about who is going to have the better graphics. that way... your always the Graphicz Queen er... King.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

almost entirely wrong on everything. nvidia did not have a direct 3d 10 card until the launch of the 8800 series one year after the launch of the 360 (8800 in nov. 2006.) ati launched the 2900 with d3d 10 in march 2007 and was the first to launch d3d 10.1 and will be the first to launch d3d 11 later this year with the release of windows 7 around oct/nov. the gpu in the ps3, the RSX, is based on the 7800 gt, a dx 9 card, but with a smaller ring bus and lower bandwidth. further more, the rsx uses opengl, it doesn't use directx.

d3d 10 added some new features but was pretty much a more efficient version of dx 9 that was to be a selling point for vista. d3d 11 will be huge in regards to d3d 10 but unlike d3d 10 and just like d3d 10, will require new hardware to take full advantage of. unlike d3d 10, d3d 11 will be able to run on an older version of windows (vista, it's not 7 proprietary).

horrowhip

D3D 10 was not a more efficient version of D3D 9... D3D 10 was an entirely rewritten API with a ton of architectural differences from D3D 9. That is why attempts to take D3D 9 code and then sprinkle D3D 10 effects on top didn't prove to be successful or efficient. DX 10 was much more than a selling point for Vista, it was designed as a sort of refresh of DX. It completely renewed the API and streamlined everything about it. It added new features like the Geometry Shader and demanded Unified Shaders in the hardware. D3D 10 was in every single way, the single greatest improvement that DX had seen over the previous version. People like to claim that it was a waste given that we haven't seen massive performance improvements, but in order to really use DX10, you have to write and engine from the ground up for DX10. There are no half-way measures with it. You can't just add DX10 features on top of a DX9 engine without giving up all the performance improvements... No game released thus far is a true DX10 game. Not even Crysis. DX10 has simply not been used properly yet.

Also, D3D 11 is a subset of D3D10. Most of its features can be accessed by DX10 cards. However, a couple features require specific hardware.

d3d 10 wasn't the greatest improvement to the directx architecture, it was merely the biggest. d3d 10 was pretty much out performed by dx 9 in gaming. sure improvements have been made, but it was not the huge improvement that ms claimed it to be. furthermore, the reason most pc games aren't designed for d3d 10 exclusively, or from the ground up, is because it would divide their userbase and those without vista/d3d 10 would be unable to play the game. yes, d3d 10 was a selling point of vista, which is why MS themselves marketed d3d 10 to the gaming market to get them upgrade to vista for it's "improved performance".

d3d 11 is not a subset of d3d 10, it's a superset of d3d 10.1. it contains all of the improvements and features of d3d 10.1 and adds tessellation, shader model 5, compute shaders, and mutlithreaded rendering. the later two can be used fully by even dx 9 hardware but tessellation and sm5 require d3d 11 hardware.

This is the only way lemmings can declare graphic ownage, by using their imagination :)Odrec

We have to see screens/footage of it 1st you know.

mitu123

This is the only way lemmings can declare graphic ownage, by using their imagination :)Odrec

funny, cows did this in 2005 with a cgi trailer for killzone 2, lair, and gt5. cows continue to do this today with gt5, and for the past 4 years, not a single gameplay video or picture ever emerged from gt5, only more cgi videos, which btw, was comprised mostly of the same video that polyphony showed off in 2005, including nascar.

proof in this link

Slight edges in pixel/vertex shading, in addition to an unified memory architecture along with EDRAM doesn't make the RSX outdated. Which 360 games have 4x AA, 8x AF, FP16 HDR like Heavenly Sword? The Cell alleviating stress off of the GPU alone doesn't produce Motorstorm, God of War, Ratchet, Heavy Rain, MAG, etc.

And honestly the budget/time excuse is getting old. PS3 devs spend similar amounts of money and time. I'd love for you to prove with some factual info who's spending more money and time. Insomniac is pumping out games yearly. PS3 games aren't releasing with GTA IV-like development costs. Microsoft's game division has plenty of money to fund projects and have had plenty of time since hey guess what the 360 came out a year before the PS3.

Bottom line the 360 doesn't have a Cell to help out. There's no Blu-Ray luxury. No HDD in every system. No XDR RAM. There's plenty of things the 360 lacks as well, so you're living in a dream world if you think anything it produces is unattainable.

Slight edges in pixel/vertex shading, in addition to an unified memory architecture along with EDRAM doesn't make the RSX outdated. Which 360 games have 4x AA, 8x AF, FP16 HDR like Heavenly Sword? The Cell alleviating stress off of the GPU alone doesn't produce Motorstorm, God of War, Ratchet, Heavy Rain, MAG, etc.

And honestly the budget/time excuse is getting old. PS3 devs spend similar amounts of money and time. I'd love for you to prove with some factual info who's spending more money and time. Insomniac is pumping out games yearly. PS3 games aren't releasing with GTA IV-like development costs. Microsoft's game division has plenty of money to fund projects and have had plenty of time since hey guess what the 360 came out a year before the PS3.

Bottom line the 360 doesn't have a Cell to help out. There's no Blu-Ray luxury. No HDD in every system. No XDR RAM. There's plenty of things the 360 lacks as well, so you're living in a dream world if you think anything it produces is unattainable.

heybooboo19

in that article it states that the game is using a modified Halo 3 engine, so what does this mean? ms is creating hype for this expansion pack for full price and nothing more.

You just proved to me that this game is not gonna be graphically impressive in the least, I thought it used a whole new engine...but nope it uses a modified halo 3 engine....Im dissapointed.