Hands down, the greatest RPG ever made

Ultima IV may not be my favorite RPG, but I think its the best and the most important. Its morality system and its story concept still amaze to this day, even surpassing the morality systems of today. It set up one of the greatest RPG settings of all time, if not the greatest. It is the first RPG that truly mattered. Instead of bopping a bad guy, its about becoming the great good, a quest of enlightenment. To win the game you must be virtous in the virtues of honesty, compassion, valor, justice, sacrifice, honor, spirituality, and humility. While questing for artifacts that open the way to the abyss, the hero must achieve avatarhood by performing right actions and not performing the wrong ones. Its one of the few RPGs where killing everything that attacks you is bad, especially if they run.

This is one of the first worlds to be truly fleshed out, have its own lore, and set the standards for Ultima V, VI, and the two parts of VII, which are also all time greats. The party members were also the first fully realized characters with their own backstories and their own personalities, which would carry them throughout the series.

Its amazing that this game as came out in 1985, even before the first JRPGs as well as the SSI Gold Box landed, and still be a lot deeper and more meaningful then those games for 5 or 6 more years.

While I may like some other RPGs better, maybe even Ultima VII, this game is way too important to not call, the greatest RPG ever made.

I was actually a little confused as to what was the best ever at this point. But now I can see that I was way off; it's not FFVI or ME2. Thanks for clearing this up for me.

Chrono Trigger for me.

The greatest RPG ever made will come out next month.

Chrono Trigger for me.

p3anut

Actually, it's Ultima IV.

greatest for me is Grandia...it introduced me to the whole genre and i loved its humour and style.

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Chrono Trigger for me.

hakanakumono

Actually, it's Ultima IV.

On Topic, can it run on Windows 7?

As long as you know in your heart that the best is Ultima IV, it's perfectly okay to like other (objectively) inferior games.

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[QUOTE="p3anut"]

Chrono Trigger for me.

Actually, it's Ultima IV.

On Topic, can it run on Windows 7?

Fallout 1 says hello.

Fallout 1 says hello.

EddieTheHead84

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

I like Fallout 1 and 2 heaps. Such good games man, waaay better than 3. Still wanna try this Ultima game

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

alfredooo

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

alfredooo

There's an Ankh on the staff ...

KOTOR for me :P

Oh, wasteland fanboys. Fallout series is lucky to be the only wasteland/ post-apocalyptic RPG series. If were otherwise, it would be doomed due to the competition sporting more interesting art style and overall polish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_IV

Here is the wiki page explaining the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtues_of_Ultima

This explains the virtue system, which actually has Hindu roots as well as Wizard of Oz...lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ultima_characters

List of characters, each of the eight main characters represents a virtue....although Gwenno can represent compassion as well as Iolo.

Skies of Arcadia, Grandia 2, Chrono Trigger are my top picks.

This. :oops:

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

alfredooo

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Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

Ravenchrome

Zinggggggggggggggg!!

+1

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Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

Ravenchrome

Its actually 6001 years old now fyi.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

Ravenchrome

No sir, I'm not. Almost all I know about Moses is that he shows up on the bible and sorta divided a river in two. I just made the connection with Bible = TC and the game are trying to convert people.

I'm guessing Ultima IV doesn't fall under the trap of thinking it's cool to hate on Christianity like a lot of silly JRPGs?

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

ChubbyGuy40

Its actually 6001 years old now fyi.

Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

hakanakumono

There's an Ankh on the staff ...

i don't know what that is. should I?

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

alfredooo

There's an Ankh on the staff ...

i don't know what that is. should I?

It's an egyptian symbol ...

I say Xenogears

I came to this thread expecting to see Chrono Trigger. I am disappointed.

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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

There's an Ankh on the staff ...

hakanakumono

i don't know what that is. should I?

It's an egyptian symbol ...

Mass Effect 2.

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

i don't know what that is. should I?

alfredooo

It's an egyptian symbol ...

I'm trying to say that whoever illustrated the picture took a commonly used image of Moses (imagined as white, of course) and stuck an Ankh on his staff to make it a "different" religion.

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

Arach666

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

Arach666

But is it as influential? How good something is doesn't really have to do with how good it is, so much as it has to do with how influential it is.

Final Fantasy X 8)

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

texasgoldrush

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Wait. Is that Moses or Jesus on the box art? looks like Moses to me. Is this game and TC about trying to convert people to Christianity? :?

alfredooo

No sir, I'm not. Almost all I know about Moses is that he shows up on the bible and sorta divided a river in two. I just made the connection with Bible = TC and the game are trying to convert people.

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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's an egyptian symbol ...

hakanakumono

I'm trying to say that whoever illustrated the picture took a commonly used image of Moses (imagined as white, of course) and stuck an Ankh on his staff to make it a "different" religion.

Here is him in Ultima V

and Ultima VI

I don't see Chrono Trigger.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

Luxen90

Noun: That which is the most influential, esp. in a videogame series.

Wait lets get this straight...Ultima ONLINE is the best ultima ever.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

Luxen90

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

A crude depiction of Bill Crosby but enjoyable nonetheless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHFYJO9v5Xg

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Awww,it´s the first game I´ve ever played(or at least that I can remember)....but Ultima VII is better. ;)

hakanakumono

But is it as influential? How good something is doesn't really have to do with how good it is, so much as it has to do with how influential it is.