Hardcores are killing console gaming

[QUOTE="OpGenesis"]

[QUOTE="azrealhk"]anasbouzid

That's all well and good and all. But, I probably won't ever become "casual". I'll go straight to "none". This I am sure of. As for others I can't say but I know what I will wind up doing. My days as a hardcore won't end until my fingers can't handle it anymore, LOL!

Besides, a true gamer is something in the heart. That ain't just somethin' that fades away with time or kids or "priorities". That is the kind of thing that forever is a part of you if it's real. A casual gamer is someone who considers playing video games as something they "do". A hardcore gamer is someone who thinks of playing video games as a piece of who they are. Anyone who follows on the footsteps of those things you mentioned was probably never a true gamer in the first place. They might have been so addicted that they couldn't put the controller down, lol. But, I can tell you that they weren't really as true of a gamer as they thought they were if they actually go "casual" as you say.

what are you sayin'?!?!?

i mean, gaming is a hobby!!! Family comes first, school or career, religion....friends too....waaaay before gaming....none of us where born in this life to live alternate lives in games...

Obviously, you DON'T know what I'm saying, lol. I don't see how you got that impression from what I said. I just meant that if a truly hardcore gamer has those things come into their life that doesn't mean they are going to forsake what they know and love. Of course things like that come first you jackass. What kind of moron do you take me for? You have misinterpreted my rebutle good sir. Please read correctly next time. :)

[QUOTE="OpGenesis"][QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="joel_101"]

well i'm a casual gamer. and i play those games. so they are casual games.

games like WOW, God of War, HL2, Halo.

Does it helps you sleep at night calling yourself hardcore, when your realy not.

anasbouzid

First of all while I didn't like Gears Epic IS considered "hardcore" with Unreal Tournament. If you were talking about generically garbage shooters like Halo or Lost Planet I'd whole heatedly agree, but Unreal Tournament is a top tier PC franchise.

Finally, someone ELSE who understands the "not all that greatness" that is "Halo". Thank you so much for saying that. I can truly see you are a being of REAL intelligence.

Now as far as that moron who said some garbage about me sleeping better at night cause I seem to "think" I'm hardcore you can just shut it. Don't let this Level 1 fool you. I've been in the loop for years and you couldn't even begin to comprehend what I could say to you. Just because you are a casual gamer doesn't automatically make the games that you play "casual". You are provong yourself to be just as typical as the people that I was talking about before. How could you even think to say I'm not hardcore when you probably have never even been it yourself you frikkin' casual. I'll tell you what. I'm gonna pull a random idiot out of my hat. I'll wager you a few hundred bucks that it turns out to be you.

or.....you could pull out a mirror

what i understand about hardcore and not hardcore......is that there is no nationally recognized grade or formulized proof whether one is hardcore or not; it is just ones own understanding of what it means and their correlation to it.

i have had many systems and for i while i didnt back nintendo....and i always thought that the most hardcore fanboys where nintendos fanboys...you know, the ones that dressed up as mario and luigi the night before launch day.....they are as bad a huge starwars fanboys...

but again that is just my understanding.....

halo CE may not seem hardcore to some and may to others....but to tell you the truth i have played that game so many times so many ways....trying to do something different and interesting like trying to keep every member of my troop alive during a whole level once....which i almost did.....took for-fricken-ever....

anyways, i have also played games like gears....C&C...and HL1, 2 and CS (this is a whole nother story)

Ok, since you wanna try to call me an idiot I will merely tell you to read my posts to that idito Joel so as to prevent myself from having to rip you a** on, too. I'm not the one you want to challenge. I AM THE NEW GENESIS. And if you find yourself trying to challenge me by saying some typical moronic sh*t like that to me I will make sure that you see your end. You will be assimilated into my novel. You will become nothing more than fiction. No one will remeber you. No one will care if you ever existed. So, save yourself the trouble of even trying to call me stupid. Unless of course you want a semen sandwich like Joel.

The way I see it, if hardcore gamers always demand 10 million dollar + budgets for every game from every dev when every game is not a guaranteed million seller, the industry is either going to collapse or developers will have to find new ways to get money (Enter monthly fees and ingame advertisements).

However, casual games brought into the market that are cheap to make and can be sold on the cheap while still gaining back a profit can bring in millions to devs, allowing them to make their one or two blockbusters a year with some moderately budget and deep games in between. Sounds better than expecting high budget epics while bleeding devs dry, don't it?

The fact is that the gaming community (Like I mentioned in a thread a few weeks back) is currently similar to the comic book market of the past that managed to doom itself. Like comic book's flood of super hero comics, hardcore gamers want the epic bloodfests that will never be taken seriously by the rest of the world and they don't care. They just want their new 6 to 8 hour shooting fest at a $60 price point and block out the anybody who will threaten that joy, damn the cost to the industry. Like the comic book industry that was stuck making X-Mens and Supermans, the gaming industry will be driven to the ground if the GEoW of the world was the only thing being made.

Redmoonxl2

I think hardcores are simply getting nervous that there will eventually be an overabundance of "casual" games, with the hardcore put on the back-burner. Meanwhile, devs stick with low budget casual games, make a ton of money, and continue doing so and will go "hardcore" sometime in the very distant future whenever it's convenient for devs. Almost like a "casual takeover".

For the most part, I agree with you. Though, I will say this... Nintendo really isn't thrilling hardcore fans with things like WiiFit or any other casual friendly type of games.

I think hardcores are simply getting nervous that there will eventually be an overabundance of "casual" games, with the hardcore put on the back-burner. Meanwhile, devs stick with low budget casual games, make a ton of money, and continue doing so and will go "hardcore" sometime in the very distant future whenever it's convenient for devs. Almost like a "casual takeover".

Blue-Sphere

Nintendo doesn't always have to thrill hardcore gamers, which is the point of the OP when it comes to the industry in general. The mere fact that hardcore gamers crying about casual games entering the market and exaggerating it's impact to the point were it's childish shows how immature and out of touch those very same gamers are to reality.

The creation of Wii Fits, Wii Sports and the such is not keeping games like Mass Effect, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, Metroid Prime, Lair and MGS4 from being made and existing. To be very truthful, expecting an overabudance of big budget "quality" games is much worse for the industry than an overabudance of cheap, casual games.