Has sony ever set a standard and done something big for the gaming industry?

With 4 edits do you think Sony still hasn't contributed much?

Kids these days, haven't even experienced over a whole gen of gaming and they think they know everything.

Gxgear

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]they have done more then Sega and MS....and i forgot to add the eye toy and true controller vibration and not some 50 dollar add on pack...they also were the first to have dual analogs for a controllerstereointegrity

well, does the eye toy REALLY count? no body followed it.

but the other ones are good. , but what do you mean with "true" controller vibration?

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

first 3d paltformer with jumping flash.

stereointegrity

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]Nintendo: mainstreamed analog sticks, shoulder buttons, D-Pad, True 3D (as well as SNES' fake 3D), VGA hookup, 2d platforming, 3d platforming, Microsoft: mainstreamed hard drives, digital download, controller triggers, wireless controllers, HD for consoles (xbox1 had HD), surround sound (for consoles) Sony: mainstreamed CD's, DVD's, Blu-Ray, wireless network, dual analog sticks

The list goes on, check out this site to see all of the innovations for gaming consoles: http://www.gamingdump.com/consoleevolution.html

Sorry, can't make it a link at the moment.Phazevariance

Most of what you're saying is correct, but just to clarify the whole 3D issue (and forget this "true 3D" BS, if it's polygons, IT IS 3D, PERIOD) it wasn't N64 and it wasn't PS1. It was the 3DO which was the first fully dedicated 3D platform. That was also the first to implement CDs as its primary format and not as a secondary add-on, like with Genesis and TG16.

The fact is, the industry was already making the shift towards optical disc media before Sony entered the market. Not only that, their whole reason for getting into the console business in the first place was a partnership they had with Nintendo, where they were going manufactuer a CD peripheral for Nintendo to compete with Genesis, a deal that went south, and subsequently lead to Sony making their own console.

Yes, SNES did have a game that implemented polygonal 3D graphics. But since we are discussing consoles which were "built from the ground up for 3D" as its primary graphics format, SNES doesn't count for the same reason genesis doesn't count as a CD based system, as it relied on an extra add-on for that feature. The Super Nintendo's core CPU and GPU were built for pixel and sprite based 2D and NOT for 3D in any way. The system relied on an additional processor (in this case attached to the game cartridge) not found in the primary machine itself.

If you re-read my post, I was very implicit that 3DO was "the first fully dedicated 3D platform", which is just another way to phrase what you described as "geared for 3D from the start to the finish". And 3DO, as a primary 3D platform (not from add-on) was before N64, just as it's also a system to implement CD as its primary format which was before the PS1.

EDIT: since people seem to have a D in reading comprehensiom, THIS IS NOT TO BASH SONY. this is a simple question: What have sony done for the industry? please name me some. I have recived some answers, but apparantly it seems that cows are going berserk. i hope this clears up any misunderstanding, thank you.

first, lets look at nintendos, standards for the gaming industry: modern controllers, 360 degrees 3d platforming, shoulder buttons, lock on, wireless controllers, motion controls as a standard, backwards compatibility, etc...

now MS: HD graphics and simple, viable online. ok, not a big list for MS, but they're still new to gaming.

EDIT: MS also broutgh in hard drives.

only one thing: CD disc for games.

EDITx3: also these: DVD discs and blu-ray discs. thanks for that.

EDITx4: oh and home button goes to sony, and so does having 2 analog sticks

really what have they done? dualshock controller?no. playstaion home?don't make me laugh.

please, name me some.

EDITx2: i'm talking about consoles.

gamedude234

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

With 4 edits do you think Sony still hasn't contributed much?

Kids these days, haven't even experienced over a whole gen of gaming and they think they know everything.

Midnightshade29

i've been proven wrong?no, i wasn't claiminganything, i was just ignorant about sonys innovations.so i asked "has sony made anything standard?yes, dual analog sticks ecc...

made an affordable, developer friendly console, that used discs and had enough space to store games in the 5th generation when Sega and Nintendo completely blew it with their clunky, hard to develop for consoles. The ps2 was one of the biggest reasons as to why DVDs took off like they did and same goes for bluray. Sony has done alot and really picked up the slack with mountains of amazing games the past two generations when most others were really just screwing up left and right.

VendettaRed07

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

EDIT: since people seem to have a D in reading comprehensiom, THIS IS NOT TO BASH SONY. this is a simple question: What have sony done for the industry? please name me some. I have recived some answers, but apparantly it seems that cows are going berserk. i hope this clears up any misunderstanding, thank you.

first, lets look at nintendos, standards for the gaming industry: modern controllers, 360 degrees 3d platforming, shoulder buttons, lock on, wireless controllers, motion controls as a standard, backwards compatibility, etc...

now MS: HD graphics and simple, viable online. ok, not a big list for MS, but they're still new to gaming.

EDIT: MS also broutgh in hard drives.

only one thing: CD disc for games.

EDITx3: also these: DVD discs and blu-ray discs. thanks for that.

EDITx4: oh and home button goes to sony, and so does having 2 analog sticks

really what have they done? dualshock controller?no. playstaion home?don't make me laugh.

please, name me some.

EDITx2: i'm talking about consoles.

Rockman999

so does the wii... which was launched at the same time as the ps3

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"] Wild Arms series is Sony owned And you just mentioned 3 games only :|

there were tons of RPGs released in the PS1 era in comparison with past generations.

There is a difference between did it first and did it standard.

HAZE-Unit

OK, I was wrong about the Wild Arms series. Even so, JRPGs WERE big on SNES. I only named 3, but I forgot to add "among others" at the end of that, like the Dragon Quest games and hell, more than my dusty old brain can recall :P Point is, there was a sizeable selection of JRPGs on the NES and SNES that were being played by just as sizeable an audiences here in the Land of the Setting Sun.

Besides that, popularity doesn't necessarily come down to numbers, but again how well received the genre is as a whole. And I never met any SNES owner who hasn't played at least one of the more recognizable and acclaimed series - Final Fantasy, Chrono series, Dragon Quest, Mana series. These are the titles that established the JRPG presence in the west, and that counts for more than just a larger library size.

I knew you were getting old when you didn't know if wild arms was on the SNES or not mistake :P

I disagree with you here, while titles you mentioned were big and the Jrpg genre presence were big according to you ( I know the JRPG genre weren't as big since almost all of my friends including me didn't know about it until the PS1 era ), the genre went far bigger on the PS1 era thanks to FFVII's huge success, almost every other company made a RPG in the PS1 days.

numbers is a major factor to prove something got popular, look at shooters this gen, nobody could say last gen was shooter heavy like this gen, same thing with Jrpgs on PS1.

Forgive Haze, but is seems like your position of PS1's influence of the JRPG market is based on only your personal experience. I don't doubt that it was big for YOU on that platform, but you just can't dismiss what happened before, and especially its relevance, simply because "you didn't know about it". FF7's huge success was in great deal, carried over from the popularity the series already had from the SNES crowd who played the previous chapters and migrated to that system to be able to keep on playing the already established series.

What else can I say to make you realize JRPGs considerable presence pre-playstation? Hell, just look at the topics of JRPGs here in SW. People still mention the Chrono series, it was also ranked very high in my Top 50 Greatest Games poll, as were the FF games both on SNES and Playstation.

I guess they made disc based consoles mainstream, and allowed their console to double as a DVD player, as far as tech goes.

The biggest thing they did though: 1: Set a policy that allowed their console to be very friendly to 3rd party publishers and didn't hold them back technologically, financially or creativly. 2: They marketed the PS1 to an older audience (18-34 year old males) and 3: Because of the size and will of their company, managed to make it a huge success in the long run.

So, basically they introduced the 18-34 year old male demographic as the biggest demographic in video games, which made game publishers make more, different types of games. They made realistic sports games, realistic action games, realistic racing games etc... There still was a market for cartoony platforming games etc. too though. That's one of the best things to happen to videogames IMO.

I guess they made disc based consoles mainstream, and allowed their console to double as a DVD player, as far as tech goes.

The biggest thing they did though: 1: Set a policy that allowed their console to be very friendly to 3rd party publishers and didn't hold them back technologically, financially or creativly. 2: They marketed the PS1 to an older audience (18-34 year old males) and 3: Because of the size and will of their company, managed to make it a huge success in the long run.

So, basically they introduced the 18-34 year old male demographic as the biggest demographic in video games, which made game publishers make more, different types of games. They made realistic sports games, realistic action games, realistic racing games etc... There still was a market for cartoony platforming games etc. too though. That's one of the best things to happen to videogames IMO.

Phaze-Two

didnt 3DO, which used CD's, come out before the ps1?

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

I guess they made disc based consoles mainstream, and allowed their console to double as a DVD player, as far as tech goes.

The biggest thing they did though: 1: Set a policy that allowed their console to be very friendly to 3rd party publishers and didn't hold them back technologically, financially or creativly. 2: They marketed the PS1 to an older audience (18-34 year old males) and 3: Because of the size and will of their company, managed to make it a huge success in the long run.

So, basically they introduced the 18-34 year old male demographic as the biggest demographic in video games, which made game publishers make more, different types of games. They made realistic sports games, realistic action games, realistic racing games etc... There still was a market for cartoony platforming games etc. too though. That's one of the best things to happen to videogames IMO.

ogvampire

didnt 3DO, which used CD's, come out before the ps1?

yeah but weather or not it was mainstream is debateable.

what did you think of the rest of my post though?

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

first, lets look at nintendos, standards for the gaming industry: modern controllers, 360 degrees 3d platforming, shoulder buttons, lock on, wireless controllers, motion controls as a standardetc...

now MS: online, HD graphics. ok, not a big list for MS, but they're still new to gaming. for sony there is no excuse.

only one thing: CD disc for games.

really what have they done? dualshock controller?no. playstaion home?don't make me laugh.

please, name me some.

PtothaWHAT

Microsoft brought in hard drives. There pretty handy.

And also MS brought Wireless controllers first, i could be wrong.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

I guess they made disc based consoles mainstream, and allowed their console to double as a DVD player, as far as tech goes.

The biggest thing they did though: 1: Set a policy that allowed their console to be very friendly to 3rd party publishers and didn't hold them back technologically, financially or creativly. 2: They marketed the PS1 to an older audience (18-34 year old males) and 3: Because of the size and will of their company, managed to make it a huge success in the long run.

So, basically they introduced the 18-34 year old male demographic as the biggest demographic in video games, which made game publishers make more, different types of games. They made realistic sports games, realistic action games, realistic racing games etc... There still was a market for cartoony platforming games etc. too though. That's one of the best things to happen to videogames IMO.

Phaze-Two

didnt 3DO, which used CD's, come out before the ps1?

yeah but weather or not it was mainstream is debateable.

what did you think of the rest of my post though?

3DO was known when it came out, it also got Time magazines top tech of the year award... so i would consider that mainstream

as with the rest of your post, points 1-3 look all good to me

although your summary is a little off, IMO. the 18-36 demographic was already around and buying videogames but there just werent alot of mature games on consoles at that time. sony didnt introduce that demographic, they just made a console that targeted that demographic

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

didnt 3DO, which used CD's, come out before the ps1?

ogvampire

yeah but weather or not it was mainstream is debateable.

what did you think of the rest of my post though?

3DO was known when it came out, it also got Time magazines top tech of the year award... so i would consider that mainstream

as with the rest of your post, points 1-3 look all good to me

although your summary is a little off, IMO. the 18-36 demographic was already around and buying videogames but there just werent alot of mature games on consoles at that time. sony didnt introduce that demographic, they just made a console that targeted that demographic

okay that's fair, and in turn publishers started making ALOT more mature games for that market. that's the real achievment that sony made. they made a console that was so popular with that age group that it influenced 3rd party pupblishers to make LOTS of realistic "mature" type games.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

yeah but weather or not it was mainstream is debateable.

what did you think of the rest of my post though?

Phaze-Two

3DO was known when it came out, it also got Time magazines top tech of the year award... so i would consider that mainstream

as with the rest of your post, points 1-3 look all good to me

although your summary is a little off, IMO. the 18-36 demographic was already around and buying videogames but there just werent alot of mature games on consoles at that time. sony didnt introduce that demographic, they just made a console that targeted that demographic

okay that's fair, and in turn publishers started making ALOT more mature games for that market. that's the real achievment that sony made. they made a console that was popular with that age group and so influenced 3rd party pupblishers to make lots of mature games.

yup. there is no denying that the videogame landscape would be different without sony

They brought GOD OF WAR to gaming, that's enough by itselfKurdish-Gamer

Microsoft brought Halo to gaming, that's enough by itself.
Nintendo brought Metroid to gaming, that's enough by itself.

C'mon dude, EVERY platform brought some major franchise or another to the gaming scene. Nothing unique about that ;)

Seeing your edited post is funny. I haven't read all the answers, but it seems like Sony has done plenty for gaming, eh TC?

Moreso than Microsoft, even.

So to answer TC's question, not really...

The biggest thing that Sony did f or me with the PS1 and PS2 was too make gaming socially acceptable and even cool.Before that gaming was regarded as a kids pastime and very few people my age where into video games.I was in my 20's when the PS1 came out and the way Sony marketed the PS1 changed they way people looked at games and gamers.

A bit like what Nintendo is doing with the Wii and DS now,but they did it 1st.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

didnt 3DO, which used CD's, come out before the ps1?

ogvampire

yeah but weather or not it was mainstream is debateable.

what did you think of the rest of my post though?

3DO was known when it came out, it also got Time magazines top tech of the year award... so i would consider that mainstream

as with the rest of your post, points 1-3 look all good to me

although your summary is a little off, IMO. the 18-36 demographic was already around and buying videogames but there just werent alot of mature games on consoles at that time. sony didnt introduce that demographic, they just made a console that targeted that demographic

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Most of what you're saying is correct, but just to clarify the whole 3D issue (and forget this "true 3D" BS, if it's polygons, IT IS 3D, PERIOD) it wasn't N64 and it wasn't PS1. It was the 3DO which was the first fully dedicated 3D platform. That was also the first to implement CDs as its primary format and not as a secondary add-on, like with Genesis and TG16.

The fact is, the industry was already making the shift towards optical disc media before Sony entered the market. Not only that, their whole reason for getting into the console business in the first place was a partnership they had with Nintendo, where they were going manufactuer a CD peripheral for Nintendo to compete with Genesis, a deal that went south, and subsequently lead to Sony making their own console.

AdobeArtist

Yes, SNES did have a game that implemented polygonal 3D graphics. But since we are discussing consoles which were "built from the ground up for 3D" as its primary graphics format, SNES doesn't count for the same reason genesis doesn't count as a CD based system, as it relied on an extra add-on for that feature. The Super Nintendo's core CPU and GPU were built for pixel and sprite based 2D and NOT for 3D in any way. The system relied on an additional processor (in this case attached to the game cartridge) not found in the primary machine itself.

If you re-read my post, I was very implicit that 3DO was "the first fully dedicated 3D platform", which is just another way to phrase what you described as "geared for 3D from the start to the finish". And 3DO, as a primary 3D platform (not from add-on) was before N64, just as it's also a system to implement CD as its primary format which was before the PS1.

I see a lot of double standards in this thread, some ppl mention companies doing something first but they didn't set the standard, and vice versa, some set the standard but didn't do it first, either way if your argueing against Sony your nothing more then a Hater, they've given us quality industry leading gaming for what 2 decades? Game's that pushed their respective genres, accessories like the eyetoy and the dualshock controller which is like the default gaming controller in the world. They pushed cinematic gaming, mature gaming, they've always helped push tech forward and media formats... Argue all you want on small things but Sony is synonyamous with gaming, and you don't get there by being a passive company that lives off multiplats and other people's ideias...

I see a lot of double standards in this thread, some ppl mention companies doing something first but they didn't set the standard, and vice versa, some set the standard but didn't do it first, either way if your argueing against Sony your nothing more then a Hater, they've given us quality industry leading gaming for what 2 decades? Game's that pushed their respective genres, accessories like the eyetoy and the dualshock controller which is like the default gaming controller in the world. They pushed cinematic gaming, mature gaming, they've always helped push tech forward and media formats... Argue all you want on small things but Sony is synonyamous with gaming, and you don't get there by being a passive company that lives off multiplats and other people's ideias...

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I see a lot of double standards in this thread, some ppl mention companies doing something first but they didn't set the standard, and vice versa, some set the standard but didn't do it first, either way if your argueing against Sony your nothing more then a Hater, they've given us quality industry leading gaming for what 2 decades? Game's that pushed their respective genres, accessories like the eyetoy and the dualshock controller which is like the default gaming controller in the world. They pushed cinematic gaming, mature gaming, they've always helped push tech forward and media formats... Argue all you want on small things but Sony is synonyamous with gaming, and you don't get there by being a passive company that lives off multiplats and other people's ideias...

Phazevariance

Dual analogs and Dvd.

They innovated with the EyeToy, which Microsoft is aping (albeit improving upon) this gen. So that's something.donalbane

What's ironic about your statement is that the Playstation's dual analog was essentially aping N64's analog control, and yes also improving upon the concept. But the concept did come from Nintendo first, yet where everybody is giving credit to Sony with their Eyetoy, they dismiss the single analog stick as the major contribution it was at the time, even if two sticks was an improvement, N64's controller was the original foundation.

Does anybody remember the 1st generation PS1 controllers? They didn't even have any kind of analog stick in the beginning. The d-pad was the primary direction input. It wasn't until after N64 came out, that Sony implemented analog sticks on their controller, and in the process 1-upped Nintendo. They never had the idea in the first place, they just expanded on something they saw elsewhere.

I see a lot of double standards in this thread, some ppl mention companies doing something first but they didn't set the standard, and vice versa, some set the standard but didn't do it first, either way if your argueing against Sony your nothing more then a Hater, they've given us quality industry leading gaming for what 2 decades? Game's that pushed their respective genres, accessories like the eyetoy and the dualshock controller which is like the default gaming controller in the world. They pushed cinematic gaming, mature gaming, they've always helped push tech forward and media formats... Argue all you want on small things but Sony is synonyamous with gaming, and you don't get there by being a passive company that lives off multiplats and other people's ideias...

Eddie-Vedder

I do agree, Sony as a whole provided great amount of quality gaming experiences. I agree thay pushed the mature gamer movement and evolved games towards cinematic experiences. I do have my fond memories from the PS1 days.

But still, people are just improperly giving them credit, whithout giving the recognition of the pioneers that preceeded them, and especially what had provided the inspiration to Sony in the first place. Did they improve on others ideas? Yes they did, but that doesn't mean the originators of the concepts should be dismissed out of hand, simply because it was a smaller scale implementation. Its more often the inception of a concept that lays the foundation for future expansion.

And speaking of double standards, just look at the example above.

DVD standardization springs to this one's mind instantaneously.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

yeah but weather or not it was mainstream is debateable.

what did you think of the rest of my post though?

gsx1100

3DO was known when it came out, it also got Time magazines top tech of the year award... so i would consider that mainstream

as with the rest of your post, points 1-3 look all good to me

although your summary is a little off, IMO. the 18-36 demographic was already around and buying videogames but there just werent alot of mature games on consoles at that time. sony didnt introduce that demographic, they just made a console that targeted that demographic

ok... and the price was the main thing stopping people from buying it, but it doesnt change the fact that it was the first cd based console, and all the other consoles except for the n64 were cd based right after that until the gen after

anyway, claiming that sony mainstreamed cd's for games is silly considered they were already around before the ps1

OK, i would like to thank everybody for their answers(well, most of them). I have learned what sony brought. Thanks for dispersing my ignorance:)

Now, i think this thread is kind of becoming a "who brought what first" thread, and thats off-topic. So if the mods can please LOCK THIS THREAD, i would be grateful.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

first, lets look at nintendos, standards for the gaming industry: modern controllers, 360 degrees 3d platforming, shoulder buttons, lock on, wireless controllers, motion controls as a standardetc...

now MS: online, HD graphics. ok, not a big list for MS, but they're still new to gaming. for sony there is no excuse.

only one thing: CD disc for games.

really what have they done? dualshock controller?no. playstaion home?don't make me laugh.

please, name me some.

PtothaWHAT

Microsoft brought in hard drives. There pretty handy.

And also MS brought Wireless controllers first, i could be wrong.

DVD and Bluray oush into homes

controller design

backwards compatibility

DVD and Bluray oush into homes

you can thank the movie industries, not consoles, for pushing those mediums

controller design

ever seen an SNES controller? it was modeled after it

backwards compatibility

kinda ironic considering that sony has abandoned BC

13C

arguing over what came first, and who copied who, is just as pethetic as which fast food chain started serving french fries, and how dare burger king copy mc donalds and serve fries aswell!

This:

PS2 gave us hard drives before the XBox. Also backwards compatibility is much better on Sony consoles than the other ones.PS2_ROCKS

For the 100th time Sony didn't innovate Backwards Compatability Atari did with the 7800. The Xbox HAD the HD built in so the PS2 hard drive wasn't before the Xbox. Why do cows still insist Sony invented gaming?

[QUOTE="PtothaWHAT"]

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

first, lets look at nintendos, standards for the gaming industry: modern controllers, 360 degrees 3d platforming, shoulder buttons, lock on, wireless controllers, motion controls as a standardetc...

now MS: online, HD graphics. ok, not a big list for MS, but they're still new to gaming. for sony there is no excuse.

only one thing: CD disc for games.

really what have they done? dualshock controller?no. playstaion home?don't make me laugh.

please, name me some.

Poison_1vy

Microsoft brought in hard drives. There pretty handy.

And also MS brought Wireless controllers first, i could be wrong.

Woukld you likw to show a link or pick? I don't remember 2600 wireless controllers...

Now lets talk about some of Sony's true innovations:

• 1st company to market better then produce. Making people want something that wasn't anything special
• 1st company to take away a bundled game.
• 1st company to provide unreliable hardware that broke down after the warrenty and expected everyone to just buy a new one.
• 1st company to stress non gaming functions over gaming functions

[QUOTE="Poison_1vy"][QUOTE="PtothaWHAT"]

Microsoft brought in hard drives. There pretty handy.

And also MS brought Wireless controllers first, i could be wrong.

MizFitAwesome

Woukld you likw to show a link or pick? I don't remember 2600 wireless controllers...

You know, Google can be used by everyone, right? :roll:

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]PS2 gave us hard drives before the XBox. Also backwards compatibility is much better on Sony consoles than the other ones.MizFitAwesome

For the 100th time Sony didn't innovate Backwards Compatability Atari did with the 7800. The Xbox HAD the HD built in so the PS2 hard drive wasn't before the Xbox. Why do cows still insist Sony invented gaming?

Yeah, I'm wondering about that too.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Poison_1vy"] the atari 2600 had a wireless controler...MadVybz

Woukld you likw to show a link or pick? I don't remember 2600 wireless controllers...

You know, Google can be used by everyone, right? :roll:

The guy was saying standard and bundled wireless controllers. It's more then obvious.The Sega Genesis introduced wireless also.This is a product that Atari launched in 1983. I even did further research Atari had a system called the 2700 which was going to feature wireless controllers, but never did. Face it MS this gen was the 1st company to release wireless controllers standard with the system. I can argue Magnavox introduced light guns with the Odyssey but will acknowledge Nintendo perfected it...

All I know is Sony gave us the PS2. Still the best Playstation out of the three.