Has the PC handed the GRAPHICS batton to the playstation 3

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[QUOTE="3sFan"]

Heavy Rain, Alan Wake ( I know not on PS3 but one of the better looking games), Gran Turismo 5. Dirt 2 and NFS: Shift fail to beat Gran Turismo 5 in graphics. And I have yet to see character models in a PC game as good as those found in Fight Night Round 4.

3sFan

Besides, you're talking about a linear boxing game that doesn't have a whole lot going on, not like thats hard to do...

Thats being totally biased. Linear or not nothing matches it. And looking at racers nothing on PC comes close to capturing the automobile like Gran Turismo 5.

Now you're just nitpicking to make your point more valid, the PC is capable of more then all 3 of the consoles combine, don't try to sugar coat it...

[QUOTE="3sFan"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"] You need to see Crysis on Ultra Settings then...

Besides, you're talking about a linear boxing game that doesn't have a whole lot going on, not like thats hard to do...

Nagidar

Thats being totally biased. Linear or not nothing matches it. And looking at racers nothing on PC comes close to capturing the automobile like Gran Turismo 5.

Now you're just nitpicking to make your point more valid, the PC is capable of more then all 3 of the consoles combine, don't try to sugar coat it...

GRID, NFS Shift, and Dirt 2 on PC maxed can't beat it. So nothing can. Maybe DX11 will have a chance. :lol:

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="3sFan"]

Thats being totally biased. Linear or not nothing matches it. And looking at racers nothing on PC comes close to capturing the automobile like Gran Turismo 5.

3sFan

Now you're just nitpicking to make your point more valid, the PC is capable of more then all 3 of the consoles combine, don't try to sugar coat it...

GRID, NFS Shift, and Dirt 2 on PC maxed can't beat it. So nothing can. Maybe DX11 will have a chance. :lol:

If you honestly believe the consoles are more powerfull than PC, I feel sorry for you....

Jesus, PC fanboys are the worst....... I think he makes a good point. No console game may be better in graphics then Crysis yet, but they are getting close andthats where all the innovation is.

Lantern-Cusp

are you sure you know what 'innovation' means?

I'm surprised how many people actually reply to these dumb questions.

I think the person that started this thread is either 12, or doesn't know anything about PC's, let alone PC gaming.

Just let him go play his little console, he's probably too young to afford anything else.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="3sFan"]

Heavy Rain, Alan Wake ( I know not on PS3 but one of the better looking games), Gran Turismo 5. Dirt 2 and NFS: Shift fail to beat Gran Turismo 5 in graphics. And I have yet to see character models in a PC game as good as those found in Fight Night Round 4.

3sFan

Besides, you're talking about a linear boxing game that doesn't have a whole lot going on, not like thats hard to do...

Thats being totally biased. Linear or not nothing matches it. And looking at racers nothing on PC comes close to capturing the automobile like Gran Turismo 5.

Not biased at all actually and even though crysis has to render much more still has as impressive and even more from FNR

About racing games I thought GT5 wasnt out yet so how you know how good will look ( we all know sony dont post Bshots riight )

Besides Dirt2 demo on pc with all settings at high with a dx11 card and the dx11 features like ambient occlusion turned on looks more impressive even from the GT5 bulllshots ( actually even race driver grid at 1080p maxed out with 15xMsaa looks better than anything on consoles )

Dx11 first look demo Dirt 2

GRID, NFS Shift, and Dirt 2 on PC maxed can't beat it. So nothing can. Maybe DX11 will have a chance. :lol:

3sFan

DX 11 really disagrees with you. Dirt 2 in DX11 looks amazing.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="3sFan"]

Thats being totally biased. Linear or not nothing matches it. And looking at racers nothing on PC comes close to capturing the automobile like Gran Turismo 5.

3sFan

Now you're just nitpicking to make your point more valid, the PC is capable of more then all 3 of the consoles combine, don't try to sugar coat it...

GRID, NFS Shift, and Dirt 2 on PC maxed can't beat it. So nothing can. Maybe DX11 will have a chance. :lol:

Lol clearly this guy must be trolling and just wanted to piss some people off. Or hes actually really dumb.

[QUOTE="3sFan"]

GRID, NFS Shift, and Dirt 2 on PC maxed can't beat it. So nothing can. Maybe DX11 will have a chance. :lol:

AdrianWerner

The game has a ways to go it'll look even better. 1080P and 60fps.

Jesus, PC fanboys are the worst....... I think he makes a good point. No console game may be better in graphics then Crysis yet, but they are getting close and thats where all the innovation is.

Lantern-Cusp

What does resolution mean?

The resolution of apicture refers to its sharpness or clarity. When photos/videos are saved electronically, they are converted to pixels (picture elements), which are the smallest squares of visual information a computer can use. The greater the number of pixels, the higher the resolution. High-resolution pictures are larger on screen and look better when viewed.

Which means that any Pc running above the native resolution above the console's it looks clearer and sharper. (Most consoles games dont even have a 720(1280x720) native resolution, and games like CoD:MW2 run at 1024x600....sad)

I hate to break it to all the consolites that are in denial, that your current consoles were outclassed even when they were released. And then in 2006 they were even more inferior when the mighty Geforce 8 series came out.

Now What does video memory mean in terms of looks?

Simple, allows the game to draw(show) more effects,textures, and store information. Now the both consoles only have 256mb of video memory so in most cases graphics tend to look good. But with modern Pc graphics cards with 2x-4x the memory will allow more detail,performance and effects appear then consoles.

The limiting factor with the consoles is the system memory which both are basically limited to 256mb of ram. Even thou its fast ram it can not store more then 256mb of information at any give moment. Which leads to small levels/maps, short draw(viewing) distances, less objects, items on screen, Now Pc need more memory to allow the use of an Operating system but are able to store more information at a moment. Most modern true* Pc games can use up to 2gb of memory, which tends to show what it can do in the games, larger maps, more things shown etc.

This thread is still going? Ok let's explain some basic differences between PC and console, resolution.

Take a game, hell take a game with less than stellar graphics, stick it on to 1080p and then to 720p, what do you see?

You see the bolts on the metal structures in the environment melt away into tiny marks, same with the little dents and scratches. You see your characters face which was clear on the 1080p shot melt away into a smudge at 720p and the seems of his pants become almost invisible.

You see all the little details disappear, even though this is a console port there are details that become invisible at 720p were as they are clearly visible on the higher resolution. This is with a game that isn't pushing graphics, if you were to use a game with better visuals the differences would be even more significant.

The sad thing is the console versions of Prototype aren't even running at 720p.

This is only looking at one area, one single difference between console and PC. It doesn't look at AA, AF, frame rate and other advantages a gaming PC brings to the exact same assets that are running on consoles.

Consoles cannot even match PC in the exact same games, even when the game was built with consoles in mind PC still offers a more detailed image. What possibly makes people think consoles are of any threat to PC graphics, especially when comparing with a game that was built with this superior hardware performance in mind?

With Crysis, Crysis Warhead, STALKER: Clear Sky and Arma II, nope.

AnnoyedDragon, I'm not even so sure. Cows honestly believe that a 5 year old outdated tech with an outdated GPU can beat PC graphics. They act like it's possible because of Uncharted 2 & Killzone 2. That just makes me laugh. PC improves over time, & will always continue to improve over consoles.

On a random note, anyone else think it is funny the PS3 section of Crysis 2 is loaded with graphics Vs threads?

Honestly even outside of System Wars PS3 users seem naturally driven to seek out declaration of hardware superiority, there is no graphical Vs thread in the 360 section.

On a random note, anyone else think it is funny the PS3 section of Crysis 2 is loaded with graphics Vs threads?

Honestly even outside of System Wars PS3 users seem naturally driven to seek out declaration of hardware superiority, there is no graphical Vs thread in the 360 section.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

On a random note, anyone else think it is funny the PS3 section of Crysis 2 is loaded with graphics Vs threads?

Honestly even outside of System Wars PS3 users seem naturally driven to seek out declaration of hardware superiority, there is no graphical Vs thread in the 360 section.

Cait__Sith

i blame the Cell!

no crysis/warhead is still king

dog dirt is the in the running for ultimate fanboy then.

just came in to LMFAO at this post...consoles em grafux teh pheilz!

No, just no. The PS3 is not even more powerful then the 360, so how can it be more powerful then a gaming PC?

:| Are you joking....?

Multiplatform games on pc look better than ps3 exclusives.

Even as a joke, the purpose of this thread is lame. Wouldn't you be happier if you won arguments with CORRECT information?

First, it's baton, not "batton". Second, no the graphics gap between PC and PS3 will only increase as the hardware becomes more and more outdated.

Everyone would agree that the PC dominated graphics a few years ago. console didn't come anywhere near the graphics of the PC.

But now I think MOST would agree that the playstation 3 IS where the graphical innovation are taking place NOW. and as dev learn to harness the power of the CELL more and more the bar will be raised further and further.

Games like Uncharted 1 and 2, Ratchet and Clank, Infamous, Wipeout HD and Demon's Souls all go to show the potential on offer from the playstation 3, the cell and from devs that are willing to put the time and effort in to learn who to use it.

what are YOUR thoughts on the subject.

dog_dirt

Lol no. Dude the PS3 has a special GeForce 7800 chip in it. Those were what, several years ago in PCs? Every video card today spanks the RSX. The problem is we dont have the software that really pushes these modern cards to their limits.

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Everyone would agree that the PC dominated graphics a few years ago. console didn't come anywhere near the graphics of the PC.

But now I think MOST would agree that the playstation 3 IS where the graphical innovation are taking place NOW. and as dev learn to harness the power of the CELL more and more the bar will be raised further and further.

Games like Uncharted 1 and 2, Ratchet and Clank, Infamous, Wipeout HD and Demon's Souls all go to show the potential on offer from the playstation 3, the cell and from devs that are willing to put the time and effort in to learn who to use it.

what are YOUR thoughts on the subject.

[QUOTE="Lantern-Cusp"]

Jesus, PC fanboys are the worst...I think he makes a good point. No console game may be better in graphics then Crysis yet, but they are getting close and thats where all the innovation is.

garland51

No, PS3 fanboys are.

PS3 has the best console graphics but the PC will always be one step ahead.

dog dirt is the in the running for ultimate fanboy then.

dommeus

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

Everyone would agree that the PC dominated graphics a few years ago. console didn't come anywhere near the graphics of the PC.

But now I think MOST would agree that the playstation 3 IS where the graphical innovation are taking place NOW. and as dev learn to harness the power of the CELL more and more the bar will be raised further and further.

Games like Uncharted 1 and 2, Ratchet and Clank, Infamous, Wipeout HD and Demon's Souls all go to show the potential on offer from the playstation 3, the cell and from devs that are willing to put the time and effort in to learn who to use it.

what are YOUR thoughts on the subject.

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

Everyone would agree that the PC dominated graphics a few years ago. console didn't come anywhere near the graphics of the PC.

But now I think MOST would agree that the playstation 3 IS where the graphical innovation are taking place NOW. and as dev learn to harness the power of the CELL more and more the bar will be raised further and further.

Games like Uncharted 1 and 2, Ratchet and Clank, Infamous, Wipeout HD and Demon's Souls all go to show the potential on offer from the playstation 3, the cell and from devs that are willing to put the time and effort in to learn who to use it.

what are YOUR thoughts on the subject.

[QUOTE="Lantern-Cusp"]

Jesus, PC fanboys are the worst....... I think he makes a good point. No console game may be better in graphics then Crysis yet, but they are getting close and thats where all the innovation is.

gamer620

This thread is still going? Ok let's explain some basic differences between PC and console, resolution.

Take a game, hell take a game with less than stellar graphics, stick it on to 1080p and then to 720p, what do you see?

You see the bolts on the metal structures in the environment melt away into tiny marks, same with the little dents and scratches. You see your characters face which was clear on the 1080p shot melt away into a smudge at 720p and the seems of his pants become almost invisible.

You see all the little details disappear, even though this is a console port there are details that become invisible at 720p were as they are clearly visible on the higher resolution. This is with a game that isn't pushing graphics, if you were to use a game with better visuals the differences would be even more significant.

The sad thing is the console versions of Prototype aren't even running at 720p.

This is only looking at one area, one single difference between console and PC. It doesn't look at AA, AF, frame rate and other advantages a gaming PC brings to the exact same assets that are running on consoles.

Consoles cannot even match PC in the exact same games, even when the game was built with consoles in mind PC still offers a more detailed image. What possibly makes people think consoles are of any threat to PC graphics, especially when comparing with a game that was built with this superior hardware performance in mind?

AnnoyedDragon

Cool story bro, doesn't stop the PS3 from making phenomenal looking games. However you cut the cake, PS3 exclusives look better than the majority of PC games coming out.Adrian_Cloud

not graphically.

no console game has touched

2007

crysis

STALKER

2008

STALKER CS

crysis warhead

2009

ARMAII

STALKER CoP

Shattered Horizon

not to mention the multiplats that on the pc are actually ahead of most ps3 exclusives.

thats graphically by the way dont get it confused with visually.

720p still looks great, things don't turn into smudges.... maybe during n64 and ps2 graphics were that bad but seriously the graphics aren't really night and day difference as they were before. Console are looking good enough, i stopped gaming on my pc (mainly because it doesn't produce as much graphicly as a console and i'm not spending $150 to make it so).

savagetwinkie

actually they do.

take HL2ep2 for example maxed out on my pc its day and night going from a 1280x1024 which is higher than 720p monitor to a 1680x1050 monitor

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720p still looks great, things don't turn into smudges.... maybe during n64 and ps2 graphics were that bad but seriously the graphics aren't really night and day difference as they were before. Console are looking good enough, i stopped gaming on my pc (mainly because it doesn't produce as much graphicly as a console and i'm not spending $150 to make it so).

washd123

actually they do.

take HL2ep2 for example maxed out on my pc its day and night going from a 1280x1024 which is higher than 720p monitor to a 1680x1050 monitor

Please stop making these! Just realize that PC will always be graphics king, it doesn't even matter. I wish people actually cared about the gameplay rather than the graphics.

Please stop making these! Just realize that PC will always be graphics king, it doesn't even matter. I wish people actually cared about the gameplay rather than the graphics.

me_rock

720p still looks great, things don't turn into smudges.... maybe during n64 and ps2 graphics were that bad but seriously the graphics aren't really night and day difference as they were before. Console are looking good enough, i stopped gaming on my pc (mainly because it doesn't produce as much graphicly as a console and i'm not spending $150 to make it so).

savagetwinkie

Good enough is subjective, the thread is arguing that PS3 has surpassed PC, that leads to objective comparison. Why you personally chose to stop playing on PC is also irrelevant for this comparison.

The purpose of that comparison was to demonstrate one area of PC improvement, in this case resolution, offers visual advantages over consoles even when using a graphically lacking game. It is undeniable that the comparison demonstrated details that are clear on the 1080p image are nearly invisible in the 720p shot. This is using a console optimized game, so even when dealing with console limited assets PC offers clear visual advantages.

What is clear at 1080p is a smudge on 720p, from the seams going down the pants to the individual bolts on the metal objects in the environment, the details just don't exist at 720p when looking at the same shot.

We are supposed to believe consoles have surpassed PCs graphics when they cannot even compare with PC in the exact same games they are running? Never mind when a game is built to take advantage of this PC performance advantage from the ground up.

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720p still looks great, things don't turn into smudges.... maybe during n64 and ps2 graphics were that bad but seriously the graphics aren't really night and day difference as they were before. Console are looking good enough, i stopped gaming on my pc (mainly because it doesn't produce as much graphicly as a console and i'm not spending $150 to make it so).

Good enough is subjective, the thread is arguing that PS3 has surpassed PC, that leads to objective comparison. Why you personally chose to stop playing on PC is also irrelevant for this comparison.

The purpose of that comparison was to demonstrate one area of PC improvement, in this case resolution, offers visual advantages over consoles even when using a graphically lacking game. It is undeniable that the comparison demonstrated details that are clear on the 1080p image are nearly invisible in the 720p shot. This is using a console optimized game, so even when dealing with console limited assets PC offers clear visual advantages.

What is clear at 1080p is a smudge on 720p, from the seams going down the pants to the individual bolts on the metal objects in the environment, the details just don't exist at 720p when looking at the same shot.

We are supposed to believe consoles have surpassed PCs graphics when they cannot even compare with PC in the exact same games they are running? Never mind when a game is built to take advantage of this PC performance advantage from the ground up.