Here comes the $500 PC which destroys the ps3 and 360!

Alright, pc gaming is the most unsure console out there. Buy the wrong graphics card or processor and ur game may not run right, sometimes not at all. I cant remember the exact problem but remember what happened with bioshock. Then gaming on the pc is riddled with hacks(Aim bot) and hackers which on it own makes pc gaming suck. Now with the ps3/360 your certain of what ur getting and with little-NO hacking. Now when thats just the consoles, when we look at the games to play, unless ur in love with WoW or RTS, the pc isnt really the place you want to be right now. Ps3 and the 360 have tons of heavy hitters coming this year that you don't want to miss. Not saying pc doesnt have any good games but the big exclusive game this year for the ps3 is starcraft(which is an RTS).

And a side note pc gaming is very hardcore no one on a console like 360/ps3 will be able get into pc gaming(unless you already switch between them)because it just to fast pace. Just thought i'd throw that out there

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]I like playing on my 65" HDTV with PS3. 4p split-screen games. Let's see the PC do that. PCs are for other things. Killer2401

Other than the spilt screen, the pc can do what you just said.

No split-screen?

No switch for me then I love split-screen more than anything.

Same here. I absolutely love splitscreen with your best buddies sitting beside you. I got into pc gaming however, but still play my 360 just as much:)

Depends largely on the resolution. With standard HD resolution, 1280x720, he could conceivably run Crysis on Medium to Medium-High at a steady 25-35 framerate.

mjarantilla

Well of course at 1280x720 That is childs play most monitors 16"+ are 1280x1024 not being widescreen

Wow its really a shame when hermits have no clue what there talking about. The fact is that video card sucks and would struggle to run PS3 or 360 quality games. Go look up the benchmarks its equivlent to that of a 8600gt. That ram is also slow consoles use DDR3 and that rig is still using DDR2? lmaoPolaris_choice

ok how about i tell you youre wrong because that card actually is better then a 7800GTX(Ps3) and a X1900(OC'd For the 360)

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]Wow its really a shame when hermits have no clue what there talking about. The fact is that video card sucks and would struggle to run PS3 or 360 quality games. Go look up the benchmarks its equivlent to that of a 8600gt. mjarantilla

Yeah, you're wrong.

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/news/3312340.php No not really. It was desighned to compete with the 8600gt as I said and although it may be better the slow ram will do nothing but bottleneck the crap out of that pc . Who is using DDR2 with DX10? And I would love to see benchmarks for other games like Assasins Creed or Lost Planet that card will not outperform the consoles with that setup he has listed.

"This card is aimed at competing with the 8600GTS."

Nice try, ace.

And try LOOKING at those benchmarks, genius. The 3850 smacks the 8600GTS every which way, and still has the power to give it a swirly and an atomic wedgie while it's at it. It's below the 8800GT, of course, but then again it's a sub-$200 card.

Read the Article its not hard to comprehend ATI used it to compete with the 8600gt so yes we can say its in between the 8800gt and 8600gt. Regardless it wont out perform consoles on all games especially with 2 gigs of DDR2 ram.

The only thing that PC has over any console is the amount of RAM, while the ram itself is horrible.

I saw the rest of those parts in my toilet this morning, after i took a poop.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Depends largely on the resolution. With standard HD resolution, 1280x720, he could conceivably run Crysis on Medium to Medium-High at a steady 25-35 framerate.

wdave92

Well of course at 1280x720 That is childs play most monitors 16"+ are 1280x1024 not being widescreen

Wow its really a shame when hermits have no clue what there talking about. The fact is that video card sucks and would struggle to run PS3 or 360 quality games. Go look up the benchmarks its equivlent to that of a 8600gt. That ram is also slow consoles use DDR3 and that rig is still using DDR2? lmaoPolaris_choice

ok how about i tell you youre wrong because that card actually is better then a 7800GTX(Ps3) and a X1900(OC'd For the 360)

Well to tell me you were wrong you would have to have a clue of what your talking about and the fact is you dont. The RSX is more powerful then the 7800gtx in just about everyway not to mention it relies on its processor to handle alot of the visuals. So you have no clue what your talking about. Dont even try to compare the PS3 to conventional pc architectures.

If you add a 8800gt and another gig of ram will have have a very good pc.

then if you overclock that Athlon X2 black edition like i did, you get a dual core 3.2 ghz..and with a 8800gt you will be able to run crysis on high with no problem ;-)

Your PC will be outdated in less than 2 years. In a way, it's already outdated. ScreamDream

We need a sticky for people who say this. How can my PC be outdated if it is above your console currently? It means my PC can last as long as your console..... infact .. even longer.

[QUOTE="Killfox"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="Tiefster"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.DAZZER7

Plus LCD monitors are standard with all computer now.

Just like HDTVs are with consoles?

Are you serious??? Im talking about if you buy a desktop.

And I know you dont have to buy a monitor with your desktop but most people do.

That motherboard is pretty weak, it only supports 2 gig RAM. Also New egg is very cheap, but they only ship in the US, so it does not apply to everyone.albi321

2 gigs is more then enough with XP.

Well to tell me you were wrong you would have to have a clue of what your talking about and the fact is you dont. The RSX is more powerful then the 7800gtx in just about everyway not to mention it relies on its processor to handle alot of the visuals. So you have no clue what your talking about. Dont even try to compare the PS3 to conventional pc architectures.

Polaris_choice

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Well to tell me you were wrong you would have to have a clue of what your talking about and the fact is you dont. The RSX is more powerful then the 7800gtx in just about everyway not to mention it relies on its processor to handle alot of the visuals. So you have no clue what your talking about. Dont even try to compare the PS3 to conventional pc architectures.

HuusAsking

Its not better then the 8800 or 8800gtx but it is better then the 7800 and as for the 128bit memory bus the PS3 has 2 seprate memory buses as it pulls from 2 seprate memory pools this has been explained time and time again as people try to compare the PS3 to tradional pc architectures you simply cant do it. And as you look at future PS3 games its obvious no pc with a 7 series of cards could dream of running them.

[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]Your PC will be outdated in less than 2 years. In a way, it's already outdated. jangojay

We need a sticky for people who say this. How can my PC be outdated if it is above your console currently? It means my PC can last as long as your console..... infact .. even longer.

Thats a sad delusion thats simply not true. Consoles get better with optimization while older pc's get left in the dust with new tech. People arent going to waste there time optmizing for a 3 year old card when newer better tech is around. But if PS3 games are still selling then peoople are still gonna take the time to program for them. Regardless the pc the tc created is not as good as a PS3 . The card is mediocre and the memory is simply to slow to keep up.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Well to tell me you were wrong you would have to have a clue of what your talking about and the fact is you dont. The RSX is more powerful then the 7800gtx in just about everyway not to mention it relies on its processor to handle alot of the visuals. So you have no clue what your talking about. Dont even try to compare the PS3 to conventional pc architectures.

Polaris_choice

Its not better then the 8800 or 8800gtx but it is better then the 7800 and as for the 128bit memory bus the PS3 has 2 seprate memory buses as it pulls from 2 seprate memory pools this has been explained time and time again as people try to compare the PS3 to tradional pc architectures you simply cant do it. And as you look at future PS3 games its obvious no pc with a 7 series of cards could dream of running them.

That's only because PCs have a huge performance overhead due to the need to accommodate multiple hardware architectures, and the growing lack of support for DX9 as DX10 becomes more popular. The 8800, however, will be playing games at least at medium quality (which today is superior to even future PS3 games) for at least another two years.

As for the RSX's two memory buses, that doesn't even come CLOSE to compensating for the PRIMARY memory bus's deficiency. There is too much latency in the FlexIO connection to the XDR memory (the second bus) to be of any real use in alleviating the PS3's memory bandwidth problems, so it's mainly used for low bandwidth tasks while high bandwidth tasks, like the framebuffer, compete for bandwidth on the bus to the GDDR3 RAM.

And the RSX I believe has been compared to the 7900, not the 7800.

Awesome, now I might be able to afford a gaming PC

(how do I save threads for later?)

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You dont have to buy a new OS.I think there's a way around it to keep your OEM copy with a new motherboard.And even if we have to it's sofware.Do we include $10-$20 extra per game for consoles then?

VoodooHak

But an OS comes with a console out of the box. And, as someone already mentioned... sound card, speakers, keyboard, mouse.....

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]Your PC will be outdated in less than 2 years. In a way, it's already outdated. Polaris_choice

We need a sticky for people who say this. How can my PC be outdated if it is above your console currently? It means my PC can last as long as your console..... infact .. even longer.

Thats a sad delusion thats simply not true. Consoles get better with optimization while older pc's get left in the dust with new tech. People arent going to waste there time optmizing for a 3 year old card when newer better tech is around. But if PS3 games are still selling then peoople are still gonna take the time to program for them. Regardless the pc the tc created is not as good as a PS3 . The card is mediocre and the memory is simply to slow to keep up.

That's wrong on so many levels.... you do know devs opt for most games to play on at least 3 year old pcs right? It's the only way they can get great profits.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="blackace"]

Where's the O/S, keyboard, speakers, sound card, mouse, game controllers, etc... ?

That's another $250 right there. You lose. :lol:

blackace

Dont you have to buy extra controllers for your console.:roll:

This PC has 5.1 surround sound support.Ya nothing fancy but what does your console have.Does it come with a built in high quality sound card.:roll:

And oh ya i forget your console comes with speakers.Hmmm.....

If you're building a PC from scratch, you're not going to have a keyboard. That's what you are talking about, building a PC from scratche. :roll: The XBox 360 and PS3 both come with controllers, so if you're comparing making a PC to a game console, it means you would need to buy a controller/mouse. :roll: Man, you are in damage control. :lol:

Yes, the game consoles support 5.1 and surround sound. It's already built in dude. Do some research before you post crap you know nothing about. You've been owned to the 3rd degree. My T.V. comes with speakers. LMAO!! :lol: How are you going to hear your games without SPEAKERS? :lol: Ownage approved!!! :lol: :lol:

man you are the one that knows nothing. I bet you $1000 you couldn't find a mob on newegg that doesn't have onboard sound, k/m is like $20 if that. speckers comparable to what tvs have are dirt cheap and most monitors have them inbuilt now.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Well to tell me you were wrong you would have to have a clue of what your talking about and the fact is you dont. The RSX is more powerful then the 7800gtx in just about everyway not to mention it relies on its processor to handle alot of the visuals. So you have no clue what your talking about. Dont even try to compare the PS3 to conventional pc architectures.

Polaris_choice

Its not better then the 8800 or 8800gtx but it is better then the 7800 and as for the 128bit memory bus the PS3 has 2 seprate memory buses as it pulls from 2 seprate memory pools this has been explained time and time again as people try to compare the PS3 to tradional pc architectures you simply cant do it. And as you look at future PS3 games its obvious no pc with a 7 series of cards could dream of running them.

First of all there is 2 version of the 7800GTX... i beleive your refering to the first one... wich is weaker with only 256mb and slower clock speed.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

I love how all these threads are showing up touting cheap PC's that no real PC gamer would ever actually buy. That's the same as a console gamer bragging about one of those brand-x 101-games in 1 systems.

I cringe at the thought of having my hot PC running in that cheap case, and that mobo is a micro-ATX, meaning 1 slot for a vid card and only 2 others for extra stuff. Not good. and I could be wrong, but the Amp rating on that power supply for the 12v rails looks a bit low. Unless I am missing something I see only 15 Amps as the max. And what about a CPU cooling solution? That CPU puts out 65w, but I have also ready that under full load it goes a bit higher then that. That could warrant a new one.

But yes, it's better then the consoles, although it may also RROD on you.

Ninja-Vox

And so what if the mobo has 1 slot for video card?Was that a joke or what?Most mobos only have 1 slot.:?

And who needs CPU cooling if you are not ocing?And my casing cost me $35 and it provides adequate cooling for all my parts.You are just overating cooling here.When hardware is meant to run hot it doesnt matter.

Enjoy lugging it down to be repaired six months from now. :roll:

pcs don't break like 360s do

On a side note, no matter how much more powerfull PC's get, they'll never top consoles in the area of Gaming without big name games.Re5ident_Evil

What? You mean like the Half life series? The warcraft series? Starcraft? Doom? Quake? Age of Empires? Total War?

Those are a few of the great PC dynasties. PC's have the edge over consoles in terms of games, they always have and they always will. Thats not open for debate.

"Oh but it doesn't have the games I like on it!"

Guess what. The consoles don't have games that a great majority of gamers worldwide want either, judging by the estimated 200 million PC gamers worldwide.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]Your PC will be outdated in less than 2 years. In a way, it's already outdated. Polaris_choice

We need a sticky for people who say this. How can my PC be outdated if it is above your console currently? It means my PC can last as long as your console..... infact .. even longer.

Thats a sad delusion thats simply not true. Consoles get better with optimization while older pc's get left in the dust with new tech. People arent going to waste there time optmizing for a 3 year old card when newer better tech is around. But if PS3 games are still selling then peoople are still gonna take the time to program for them. Regardless the pc the tc created is not as good as a PS3 . The card is mediocre and the memory is simply to slow to keep up.

Indeed, they DO get better optimization.

That doesn't change the fact that console hardware is already out of date and vastly inferior to mid-range PC hardware available.

Good setup for the price indeed.

The hardware in the machine is far Superior to the hardware in either current gen consoles - obviously,.

Problem is hardware is so far ahead of software nowdays the longevity of the system would be higher than a $500 PC three years ago - heck two years ago, not to mention performance per price is astoundingly cheap.

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]Wow its really a shame when hermits have no clue what there talking about. The fact is that video card sucks and would struggle to run PS3 or 360 quality games. Go look up the benchmarks its equivlent to that of a 8600gt. mjarantilla

Yeah, you're wrong.

Topic creator, while you have a point, there are some key items that obviously are lacking from your list:

Windows OS

Keyboard/Mouse

Cooling fans, heatsinks for the processor

That is easily about an extra $250. Plus, gaming on a PC generally requires upgrading of components such as the video card, ram, and eventually the motherboard more frequently than the average lifespan of a gaming console.

And finally, I think it is much more convenient to just play videogames on a gaming console. Videogame consoles have a much steadier and more diversified flow of games in comparison to the PC. The PC has some phenomenal games, but can it play some of the exclusives only found on consoles? Obviously not. Still, the PC has great games.

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

subrosian

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

FrozenLiquid

I agree

I don't care about the price of the PC. That's not the reason why I don't play as many PC games anymore.

I like consoles more because you can just sit down and relax in a sofa and playing on a big screen HDtv without worrying about system requirements.

JLF1

agree 100% this is my main reason for ignoring the fact my pc is badly outdated still got 9800 128mb lol! for comfort, ease of use and having friends over my 360 is quite simply much better

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

FrozenLiquid

subrosian you get due props for actually posting something logical is system wars lol. I agree best damn post in the entire thread.

now the only question is why would i rebuy gears of war, cod4, mass effect, and orange box if i already own them for consoles?

my comp runs cs:s at ~60fps (59.8 w/e) at max at 1440x900 and that's all i need it to do. i'll play my console games on my console and my css on my comp, thank you.

now the only question is why would i rebuy gears of war, cod4, mass effect, and orange box if i already own them for consoles?

my comp runs cs:s at ~60fps (59.8 w/e) at max at 1440x900 and that's all i need it to do. i'll play my console games on my console and my css on my comp, thank you.

Big_T-Mac

That sucks. *Goes and plays Crysis*

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

subrosian

I don't know about the purpose of this thread, but most people here (and most PC gamers on this site) aim to change not the preferences of people, but the misconceptions, mainly the misconception that PC gaming is overly expensive. If you're willing to do the research and find the parts yourself, as the OP noted, it isn't.

The fact that it's not easy (for most) and not uniform is the entire point, and I don't think anybody's arguing against that.

People come to the conclusion that PC gaming is expensive because they look at pre-built rigs, which is the only thing they have to go on since it offers a collective price for a "gaming rig". Since the PC isn't uniform and marketed as a console, this is simply the wrong approach, and you end up looking at the highest possible prices that they could get away with selling these rigs at (complete with entirely unnecessary parts).

You have to do some research on the net and find the lowest prices for the parts that you want. That's what the majority of PC gamers do, and why we bristle at this idea of PC gaming being hugely expensive because people keep looking at Alienware. It isn't easy to build your own comp or pick out your own parts, especially if you're just starting off, but nothing that's worthwhile ever is.

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]

now the only question is why would i rebuy gears of war, cod4, mass effect, and orange box if i already own them for consoles?

my comp runs cs:s at ~60fps (59.8 w/e) at max at 1440x900 and that's all i need it to do. i'll play my console games on my console and my css on my comp, thank you.

DragonfireXZ95

That sucks. *Goes and plays Crysis*

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]

now the only question is why would i rebuy gears of war, cod4, mass effect, and orange box if i already own them for consoles?

my comp runs cs:s at ~60fps (59.8 w/e) at max at 1440x900 and that's all i need it to do. i'll play my console games on my console and my css on my comp, thank you.

Big_T-Mac

That sucks. *Goes and plays Crysis*

Yes instead you rather play the inferior versions of the games you mentionned.

GOW, best on PC.

COD4, best on PC.

OB, best on PC.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

Zeliard9

I don't know about the purpose of this thread, but most people here (and most PC gamers on this site) aim to change not the preferences of people, but the misconceptions, mainly the misconception that PC gaming is overly expensive. If you're willing to do the research and find the parts yourself, as the OP noted, it isn't.

The fact that it's not easy (for most) and not uniform is the entire point, and I don't think anybody's arguing against that.

People come to the conclusion that PC gaming is expensive because they look at pre-built rigs, which is the only thing they have to go on since it offers a collective price for a "gaming rig". Since the PC isn't uniform and marketed as a console, this is simply the wrong approach, and you end up looking at the highest possible prices that they could get away with selling these rigs at (complete with entirely unnecessary parts).

You have to do some research on the net and find the lowest prices for the parts that you want. That's what the majority of PC gamers do, and why we bristle at this idea of PC gaming being hugely expensive because people keep looking at Alienware. It isn't easy to build your own comp or pick out your own parts, especially if you're just starting off, but nothing that's worthwhile ever is.

"Here comes the $500 PC which destroy the PS3 and 360!"

Sounds like a neutral, helpful, newbie-oriented thread to me, sure to help the console gamer interested in expanding to the PC, right?

This entire thread is founded on a misconception - that console gamers need to be "saved".

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]

now the only question is why would i rebuy gears of war, cod4, mass effect, and orange box if i already own them for consoles?

my comp runs cs:s at ~60fps (59.8 w/e) at max at 1440x900 and that's all i need it to do. i'll play my console games on my console and my css on my comp, thank you.

Bebi_vegeta

That sucks. *Goes and plays Crysis*

Yes instead you rather play the inferior versions of the games you mentionned.

GOW, best on PC.

COD4, best on PC.

OB, best on PC.

and cod4 on pc would be nice, but when the online military first person shooter genre has already been perfected on pc (counterstrike), why would i wanna play call of duty 4? and u can say what u want, but if all my friends are playing the 360 version, why would i want to seclude myself into the pc version, not enjoying the game with them?

and orange box would be great for pc, but i'm not going to buy ANOTHER copy of hl2 for my pc at $45-50 when i bought my 360 version for a mere $30 (local family video was selling it for some insane reason... jackpot.)

"Here comes the $500 PC which destroy the PS3 and 360!"

Sounds like a neutral, helpful, newbie-oriented thread to me, sure to help the console gamer interested in expanding to the PC, right?

This entire thread is founded on a misconception - that console gamers need to be "saved".

subrosian

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

subrosian

I don't know about the purpose of this thread, but most people here (and most PC gamers on this site) aim to change not the preferences of people, but the misconceptions, mainly the misconception that PC gaming is overly expensive. If you're willing to do the research and find the parts yourself, as the OP noted, it isn't.

The fact that it's not easy (for most) and not uniform is the entire point, and I don't think anybody's arguing against that.

People come to the conclusion that PC gaming is expensive because they look at pre-built rigs, which is the only thing they have to go on since it offers a collective price for a "gaming rig". Since the PC isn't uniform and marketed as a console, this is simply the wrong approach, and you end up looking at the highest possible prices that they could get away with selling these rigs at (complete with entirely unnecessary parts).

You have to do some research on the net and find the lowest prices for the parts that you want. That's what the majority of PC gamers do, and why we bristle at this idea of PC gaming being hugely expensive because people keep looking at Alienware. It isn't easy to build your own comp or pick out your own parts, especially if you're just starting off, but nothing that's worthwhile ever is.

"Here comes the $500 PC which destroy the PS3 and 360!"

Sounds like a neutral, helpful, newbie-oriented thread to me, sure to help the console gamer interested in expanding to the PC, right?

This entire thread is founded on a misconception - that console gamers need to be "saved".

The first line of my post was "I don't know about the purpose of this thread, but", clearly indicating that my thoughts on the matter weren't related to the inherent purpose of the thread, but were rather a general observation on why threads like this come about in the first place.

And even regardless of that, I believe you're incorrect, anyway. Nowhere in the OP does he make any mention of console gamers needing to be "saved". Despite the System Wars-like wording of his post and thread title, which clearly bothers you, it's obvious that he's simply defending the PC against allegations that it's too high-priced. He threw it out as a challenge to those console gamers who claim such; he's not telling them to give up their consoles for PCs.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Enough

Seriously, for christ sake, enough.

Console gamers - enough of the selective amnesia regarding what devices a PC works with. I'm damn well convinced some of you have a USB controller hooked up to your PC right now, or have plugged it into a TV to playback some YouTube videos. Stop pretending when you come to System Wars, and stop dogging PC parts you know nothing about. The word Crysis should not come up in this conversation - you bring up Crysis "poor" sales all the time - isn't obvious from that alone that PC gaming doesn't revolve around Crysis?

PC gamers - we know the PC is affordable - how else would everyone here have one, and be typing on this forum (those of you using your Wii or PS3... all two of you... are excused from this statement)? The reality is the PC will never be as easy to use, as uniform, or as marketed as a console. You're not going to win hearts and minds because Newegg is having a sale, nor is some hardware war with consoles going to benefit anything. Showing what GPU you can shove in your rig is just a pissing contest, it doesn't change the preconceptions, preferences, and thought-patterns that you're trying to change.

Zeliard9

I don't know about the purpose of this thread, but most people here (and most PC gamers on this site) aim to change not the preferences of people, but the misconceptions, mainly the misconception that PC gaming is overly expensive. If you're willing to do the research and find the parts yourself, as the OP noted, it isn't.

The fact that it's not easy (for most) and not uniform is the entire point, and I don't think anybody's arguing against that.

People come to the conclusion that PC gaming is expensive because they look at pre-built rigs, which is the only thing they have to go on since it offers a collective price for a "gaming rig". Since the PC isn't uniform and marketed as a console, this is simply the wrong approach, and you end up looking at the highest possible prices that they could get away with selling these rigs at (complete with entirely unnecessary parts).

You have to do some research on the net and find the lowest prices for the parts that you want. That's what the majority of PC gamers do, and why we bristle at this idea of PC gaming being hugely expensive because people keep looking at Alienware. It isn't easy to build your own comp or pick out your own parts, especially if you're just starting off, but nothing that's worthwhile ever is.

I think its honestly impossible to try and change these misconceptions and educate the uneducated!

They are probably, the very same people who dislike school!

It's an uphill battle we will only lose!

[QUOTE="subrosian"]"Here comes the $500 PC which destroy the PS3 and 360!"

Sounds like a neutral, helpful, newbie-oriented thread to me, sure to help the console gamer interested in expanding to the PC, right?

This entire thread is founded on a misconception - that console gamers need to be "saved".

Big_T-Mac

It's a more noticeable issue with PC gaming, but with console gaming there's still the "unfair equipment advantage" - I remember buying a new TV in my Xbox / Halo days, because having a component video connection meant being able to see and snipe more accurately.

Most competitive PC and console venues are held at dedicated LAN centers now for that exact reason - it has become too easy to buy some aftermarket stuff to try and gain an edge. The only way to be fair is to give everyone the same gear.

now the only question is why would i rebuy gears of war, cod4, mass effect, and orange box if i already own them for consoles?

Big_T-Mac

Well, the PC versions of GoW, ME and the Orange Box have more content, and may even look better than the console versions...

Sure, you probably won't rebuy the games, but for those who haven't got them, the PC version may be the best choice.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You dont have to buy a new OS.I think there's a way around it to keep your OEM copy with a new motherboard.And even if we have to it's sofware.Do we include $10-$20 extra per game for consoles then?

VoodooHak

But an OS comes with a console out of the box. And, as someone already mentioned... sound card, speakers, keyboard, mouse.....

Wierd thing is nobody sells a rig without windows on it, even if you don't want to pay for it alot of builders will not even bother removing it, they just won't give you a legit OEM key for it.

Overall it is unfair adding a monitor to the price, anybody could just name the most expensive 30" they can google and include it to the price, plus if consolite had to add HDTVs to their price the point would be lost since a HDTV is a monitor anyway.