Here comes the $500 PC which destroys the ps3 and 360!

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="subrosian"]"Here comes the $500 PC which destroy the PS3 and 360!"

Sounds like a neutral, helpful, newbie-oriented thread to me, sure to help the console gamer interested in expanding to the PC, right?

This entire thread is founded on a misconception - that console gamers need to be "saved".

subrosian

It's a more noticeable issue with PC gaming, but with console gaming there's still the "unfair equipment advantage" - I remember buying a new TV in my Xbox / Halo days, because having a component video connection meant being able to see and snipe more accurately.

Most competitive PC and console venues are held at dedicated LAN centers now for that exact reason - it has become too easy to buy some aftermarket stuff to try and gain an edge. The only way to be fair is to give everyone the same gear.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]

now the only question is why would i rebuy gears of war, cod4, mass effect, and orange box if i already own them for consoles?

my comp runs cs:s at ~60fps (59.8 w/e) at max at 1440x900 and that's all i need it to do. i'll play my console games on my console and my css on my comp, thank you.

Big_T-Mac

That sucks. *Goes and plays Crysis*

Yes instead you rather play the inferior versions of the games you mentionned.

GOW, best on PC.

COD4, best on PC.

OB, best on PC.

and cod4 on pc would be nice, but when the online military first person shooter genre has already been perfected on pc (counterstrike), why would i wanna play call of duty 4? and u can say what u want, but if all my friends are playing the 360 version, why would i want to seclude myself into the pc version, not enjoying the game with them?

and orange box would be great for pc, but i'm not going to buy ANOTHER copy of hl2 for my pc at $45-50 when i bought my 360 version for a mere $30 (local family video was selling it for some insane reason... jackpot.)

Most of the orange box games have been out for a long time... And lets not even go in the mod section, cause now you lose big time.

As for gears of war, I still rather play the superior version with added content... so i'm waiting to have a better game, I don't mind.

Then why are you even playing COD4 anyways if you say CS is so much better???

If you rather play with your buddys then that's alright, I can understand that part.

And NO this aint no weak PC which barely beats the consoles.This PC will run most games maxed out and it WILL run crysis in high settings in 720p.Here we go,

DVD burner. $25

Rosewill Casing. $21

160GB 7200RPM HDD. $46

ASUS AMD motherboard. $49

ATI Radeon HD3850 512MB. $185

Thermaltake 500W Power Supply. $40

2GB DDR2 RAM. $40

2.6Ghz AMD Dual Core CPU. $100

Total=$505.

There you go the PC is complete.And this PC does NOT include extremely cheap and unreliable components.As i said it isnt a PC that will play games in medium settings but it will max out most games and will play crysis in high settings.

And chances are that most people here who donot game on their PC have a DVD player in it and they have a casing that can do the job.This reduces the cost to $450 which means you can pop in an 8800GT and still kepp it at $500.But rest assured the 3850 512MB has capabilites far beyond any console.

So consolietes what's your excuse now since teh PC is no longer TEH expensive as you think.Infact this PC has a better price performance ratio than the xbox 360.

Thinker_145

GREAT! now go buy it and I will stick with my PS3. I have my mac and would not buy a PC at gunpoint!

I wonder the chances of getting all parts from newegg would even work, almost every review from that site has lots of broken returns.killzowned24

I got bad Corsair RAM from them when I was still burdened with PC's.

In a year you'll be able to buy a 8800GTX 512mB for $70, so I'll be able to build any PC rig you hermits have now for a lot cheaper.

In a year you'll be able to buy a 8800GTX 512mB for $70, so I'll be able to build any PC rig you hermits have now for a lot cheaper.

SgtWhiskeyjack

:lol: good point.

pwnage approved :P

i'm goin to bed, as it is far too early in the morning for me to still be up.

I was thinking of getting a Blu-ray player for my new rigflowdee79

oh snap

And NO this aint no weak PC which barely beats the consoles.This PC will run most games maxed out and it WILL run crysis in high settings in 720p.Here we go,

DVD burner. $25

Rosewill Casing. $21

160GB 7200RPM HDD. $46

ASUS AMD motherboard. $49

ATI Radeon HD3850 512MB. $185

Thermaltake 500W Power Supply. $40

2GB DDR2 RAM. $40

2.6Ghz AMD Dual Core CPU. $100

Total=$505.

There you go the PC is complete.And this PC does NOT include extremely cheap and unreliable components.As i said it isnt a PC that will play games in medium settings but it will max out most games and will play crysis in high settings.

And chances are that most people here who donot game on their PC have a DVD player in it and they have a casing that can do the job.This reduces the cost to $450 which means you can pop in an 8800GT and still kepp it at $500.But rest assured the 3850 512MB has capabilites far beyond any console.

So consolietes what's your excuse now since teh PC is no longer TEH expensive as you think.Infact this PC has a better price performance ratio than the xbox 360.

Thinker_145

you forgot the monitor.....k/m & speakers. Like it or not....you need them in order to run your PC.

Seriously, this thread isn't going to "convert" people from playing console games to playing on the pc. Both systems have different styles, and those who like the style of pc gaming probably already have the gear they need to decently play pc games. And really, it doesn't require much to play a pc game unless you're looking to play crysis at max settings.

For competitive games nowadays (Counterstrike source, Quake, Starcraft, WoW, etc.), you can probably run them at the lowest settings for decent fps. What some people don't get is that pc games are built to last. It's not all about playing the "it" game for a few months and then buying the next "it" game that comes out. People can play the same game for years without getting bored of it. CSS and WoW have been around for almost 3.5 years, Quake 3 has been around for around 8-9 years, and Starcraft (still a very popular game) has been played for over 10 years now. And guess what? They're all played by a large number of people. Pc gaming isn't all about the graphics, so I just wanted to clear that up.

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

In a year you'll be able to buy a 8800GTX 512mB for $70, so I'll be able to build any PC rig you hermits have now for a lot cheaper.

Big_T-Mac

:lol: good point.

pwnage approved :P

i'm goin to bed, as it is far too early in the morning for me to still be up.

:D seems logical to me. I don't know what all these other 21 pages are full of :? .

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.Thinker_145

lol owned.

Wow components are much cheaper in the US, in the UK 4Gb of RAM on the cheap would be worth $140. And the 3850 would be over $220

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

And NO this aint no weak PC which barely beats the consoles.This PC will run most games maxed out and it WILL run crysis in high settings in 720p.Here we go,

DVD burner. $25

Rosewill Casing. $21

160GB 7200RPM HDD. $46

ASUS AMD motherboard. $49

ATI Radeon HD3850 512MB. $185

Thermaltake 500W Power Supply. $40

2GB DDR2 RAM. $40

2.6Ghz AMD Dual Core CPU. $100

Total=$505.

There you go the PC is complete.And this PC does NOT include extremely cheap and unreliable components.As i said it isnt a PC that will play games in medium settings but it will max out most games and will play crysis in high settings.

And chances are that most people here who donot game on their PC have a DVD player in it and they have a casing that can do the job.This reduces the cost to $450 which means you can pop in an 8800GT and still kepp it at $500.But rest assured the 3850 512MB has capabilites far beyond any console.

So consolietes what's your excuse now since teh PC is no longer TEH expensive as you think.Infact this PC has a better price performance ratio than the xbox 360.

LEGEND_C4A

you do understand that people like to play on consoles because its less of a hassle compared to PC, thats the reason I don't play on the PC anymore. I have built computers from the ground up, but listen to what you are saying. you want people to buy all those parts, then put it together, people don't want to do that, the majority have no idea how to build a computer, they just want to walk into a store and walk out with something that is ready to play right out of the box.

PC in the end has the best gaming but leave all the console players alone, if they enjoy it like I do, why do you have to go on a mission to change everyone's mind?

regardless, you still have to continue buying bits and pieces to keep your comp up to date, updating sound cards and video cards, and messing with settings to make it run just right, I have no idea why you can't understand that.

See, this is the fundamental problem. Most Hermits can't accept that even though they don't mind doing all this, most people don't want the hassle and many don't have the time. Not every store can assemble a rig for you either.

If Hermits want to play on PC thats fine, but why do they insist on trying to convert everyone to PC's as well? Some people are so much happier playing on consoles, they should just accept it. Console are extremely fun and much better for playing with friends, I think consoles like the Wii have proved that.

See, this is the fundamental problem. Most Hermits can't accept that even though they don't mind doing all this, most people don't want the hassle and many don't have the time. Not every store can assemble a rig for you either.

If Hermits want to play on PC thats fine, but why do they insist on trying to convert everyone to PC's as well? Some people are so much happier playing on consoles, they should just accept it. Console are extremely fun and much better for playing with friends, I think consoles like the Wii have proved that.

Quofan

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.Thinker_145

but more people have a high-def TV than a monitor capable of doing HD resolutions

[QUOTE="Quofan"]

See, this is the fundamental problem. Most Hermits can't accept that even though they don't mind doing all this, most people don't want the hassle and many don't have the time. Not every store can assemble a rig for you either.

If Hermits want to play on PC thats fine, but why do they insist on trying to convert everyone to PC's as well? Some people are so much happier playing on consoles, they should just accept it. Console are extremely fun and much better for playing with friends, I think consoles like the Wii have proved that.

HuusAsking

But if you're serious about PC gaming, then obviously you want to invest in the long term? Im sure thats what PC gaming's all about, you pay more, you get more. Most people don't like paying more and investing the time, so they make do with an exoerience that they believe is on a par.

True, it probably isnt as expensive as some people make out, but most people arent as hardcore about it either. A Hermit could go on about all the great games you would get and benefit from by spending the money and putting the effort in, but in the end it's subjective as to whether someone would want to spend the money for those games.

Generally speaking, yes, its a superior game library, but what about all those who want to play Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, MGS, Halo (assuming Halo 3 isnt coming to PC) etc.

Its like comparing the Wii to the 360 and PS3 for graphics. They are not built for the same functions, and despite paying money for more games on 360/PS3, whether those games ARE better is up to individual opinion. I appreciate Hermits want an end to the "its expensive" myth, but it will never go away. Just like the Wii and shovelware, the 360 and the RROD etc.

Wow, im being diplomatic with a PC gamer :shock:

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.Thinker_145

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.jonesy1911

You can plug a PC into a TV aswell!

Jonesy, I've explained this to you before. You have three options for a display whether it's a console or PC.

Option 1: Standard Def TV

Option 2: High Def TV

Option 3: PC Monitor

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.ski11buzz

but more people have a high-def TV than a monitor capable of doing HD resolutions

Ok let me correct you - actually educate you - nearly every monitor around nowdays outputs a 'HD' resolution. Nearly every monitor since the mid 90s could output a 'HD' resolution.

HDTVs sales are nothing compared to standard def, and 720p is considered qutie a low 'HD' resolution in the PC monitor world. 1080p though is quite high. These are not upscaled resolutions either they are true resolutions.

Mmkay?

[QUOTE="ski11buzz"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.skrat_01

but more people have a high-def TV than a monitor capable of doing HD resolutions

Ok let me correct you - actually educate you - nearly every monitor around nowdays outputs a 'HD' resolution. Nearly every monitor since the mid 90s could output a 'HD' resolution.

HDTVs sales are nothing compared to standard def, and 720p is considered qutie a low 'HD' resolution in the PC monitor world. 1080p though is quite high. These are not upscaled resolutions either they are true resolutions.

Mmkay?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="ski11buzz"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.HuusAsking

but more people have a high-def TV than a monitor capable of doing HD resolutions

Ok let me correct you - actually educate you - nearly every monitor around nowdays outputs a 'HD' resolution. Nearly every monitor since the mid 90s could output a 'HD' resolution.

HDTVs sales are nothing compared to standard def, and 720p is considered qutie a low 'HD' resolution in the PC monitor world. 1080p though is quite high. These are not upscaled resolutions either they are true resolutions.

Mmkay?

Then their implications are based on a false definition of the HD standard.

Wow, all that work you went into with the research, and 22 pages of replies. Impressive. But, the problem remains that myself and a large number of console gamers don't care about PC gaming. You could tell me I could build a machine that would run Crysis for $300, and I still wouldn't care. I don;t care for RTS, and I don't really care for 99% of FPS, so there goes nearly all of the big franchises that hermits hype. Old school Bioware RPG's, I do miss, but I can play those with my existing PC when the urge hits me(not often). Face it, some people just don't give a crap about PC gaming, and you're not going to convince them with long-winded justifications for buying one.BigJerm1

I doubt anybody really gives a crap if you game on your pc or not. I think the original post was more a response to all the people that say things like "You need a $5000 gaming pc to play games like crysis. rabble rabble rabble"

It's not true now, it was never true before, and it will never be true in the future. Even if you nickle and dime the price up by including things every pc gamer has already like a monitor, speakers and kb/mouse. It still isnt anywhere near as expensive as buying all three consoles, extra controllers and a good hdtv, yet you get so much more. Gaming is just a small fraction of what a good computer can do. Thats the funniest thing about it

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.ski11buzz

but more people have a high-def TV than a monitor capable of doing HD resolutions

I hope that was a joke or else this should be quoted with wok7.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.jonesy1911

Yeah and what's crazy is you can even use your tv as monitor... ohhhhhhhhh :shock:.

and orange box would be great for pc, but i'm not going to buy ANOTHER copy of hl2 for my pc at $45-50 when i bought my 360 version for a mere $30 (local family video was selling it for some insane reason... jackpot.)Big_T-Mac

Or you could just be smart when you buy stuff.
I got OB for $30 the DAY IT CAME OUT.

the HDD is trash

the case is trash

the "micro-ATX" mb is trash

there's no OS

you fail...

Oh yeah, and the 360, PS3 and Wii will play every game that comes out for them at "max" settings; will that computer do that for atleast 3 more years?.....NO

That's pretty cool, but if I want to buy/build a PC, I would spend more than 500 dollars.dkhw

Same but i think the point is to counteract the usual "need a $4000 pc" or "$1000 yearly upgrade" type responses that usually get thrown around.

Doesn't include Windows, shipping costs. Doesn't even come with a controller (KB&M). The fact you had omit vital things such as these from the original post and STILL ended up with a figure that's 1.5 times the price of a 360 is kind of sad.

the HDD is trash

the case is trash

the "micro-ATX" mb is trash

there's no OS

you fail...

Oh yeah, and the 360, PS3 and Wii will play every game that comes out for them at "max" settings; will that computer do that for atleast 3 more years?.....NO

beatzfreak69

No but that argument fails, I've said this before but why is it ok that a console can play games at lowered resolutions and framerates with no AA (lol "max") but when we talk about PC gaming a pc is considered **** if you do the same and get some longevity out of your hardware. You can't have it both ways guys either medium settings, no AA and 30 fps with drops is fine and good or pc's dont need to be upgraded every year with the latest hardware.

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

the HDD is trash

the case is trash

the "micro-ATX" mb is trash

there's no OS

you fail...

Oh yeah, and the 360, PS3 and Wii will play every game that comes out for them at "max" settings; will that computer do that for atleast 3 more years?.....NO

pieatorium

No but that argument fails, I've said this before but why is it ok that a console can play games at lowered resolutions and framerates with no AA (lol "max") but when we talk about PC gaming a pc is considered **** if you do the same and get some longevity out of your hardware. You can't have it both ways guys either medium settings, no AA and 30 fps with drops is fine and good or pc's dont need to be upgraded every year with the latest hardware.

Most of the newer games have some sort of AA...even if it's only x2. I play my games at 1080i...whether it's scaled or not. Either way, the game is "optimized" to be played at those settings. Tell me crysis is meant to be played on medium settings with no AA....please. That PC, would have to be upgraded within 6 months...tell me otherwise on that too please.

The PC that is listed isn't really that great. You're forced to play at crappy resolutions (yeah I know 720p is fine on a TV, but not a monitor). I prefer to play my games in at least 1680x1050 resolution.

Oh. I heard something like the PS3 is capable of out putting an image resolution of 1080p. Lets see you try to build a $500 PC that can do reasonable gaming at 1920x1080 resolution (a.k.a 1080p).

Please prove me wrong. So I may build one myself.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]You forgot a monitor...assuming people already have a widescreen LCD is bad.Tiefster

i thought most people keep tvs and moniotrs.

Yeah you are forgetting windows for another $200. I wish Linux ran games.wooooode

you cant get cheep windows if you are a student or if you purchase an OEM version when purchasing your pc parts.

OEM versions are arund half the price sometimes less, than the normal retail version.

[QUOTE="pieatorium"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

the HDD is trash

the case is trash

the "micro-ATX" mb is trash

there's no OS

you fail...

Oh yeah, and the 360, PS3 and Wii will play every game that comes out for them at "max" settings; will that computer do that for atleast 3 more years?.....NO

beatzfreak69

No but that argument fails, I've said this before but why is it ok that a console can play games at lowered resolutions and framerates with no AA (lol "max") but when we talk about PC gaming a pc is considered **** if you do the same and get some longevity out of your hardware. You can't have it both ways guys either medium settings, no AA and 30 fps with drops is fine and good or pc's dont need to be upgraded every year with the latest hardware.

Most of the newer games have some sort of AA...even if it's only x2. I play my games at 1080i...whether it's scaled or not. Either way, the game is "optimized" to be played at those settings. Tell me crysis is meant to be played on medium settings with no AA....please. That PC, would have to be upgraded within 6 months...tell me otherwise on that too please.

So basically Crysis isnt meant to be played with the settings turned down but console games are. Your game being "Optimized to be played at those settings" is actually the settings being adjusted to provide a playable game , basically as good as the devs can get it at their target framerate (30fps for the console shooters so far i believe), just like what somone does on their PC.

Also what games are coming out in the next 6 months that are going to push hardware more than Crysis already has? theres actually a thread about what the next game to do so is in system wars and the top 3 answers were Farcry 2, Alan Awake and Project Offset and considering at this stage all 3 are still supposed to be having a console version i doubt it, or if they do you will not buy them because the games aren't "meant" to be played at the settings you will be forced into on consoles.

And NO this aint no weak PC which barely beats the consoles.This PC will run most games maxed out and it WILL run crysis in high settings in 720p.Here we go,

DVD burner. $25

Rosewill Casing. $21

160GB 7200RPM HDD. $46

ASUS AMD motherboard. $49

ATI Radeon HD3850 512MB. $185

Thermaltake 500W Power Supply. $40

2GB DDR2 RAM. $40

2.6Ghz AMD Dual Core CPU. $100

Total=$505.

There you go the PC is complete.And this PC does NOT include extremely cheap and unreliable components.As i said it isnt a PC that will play games in medium settings but it will max out most games and will play crysis in high settings.

And chances are that most people here who donot game on their PC have a DVD player in it and they have a casing that can do the job.This reduces the cost to $450 which means you can pop in an 8800GT and still kepp it at $500.But rest assured the 3850 512MB has capabilites far beyond any console.

So consolietes what's your excuse now since teh PC is no longer TEH expensive as you think.Infact this PC has a better price performance ratio than the xbox 360.

Thinker_145

That PC will not run Alan Wake properly, 360 will

That PC will not run Alan Wake properly, 360 will

saolin323