How big do you think the gap between Vita/3DS is?

What would you relate the hardware (power) gap between the 3DS and Vita? Would you say it is more like the Wii to PS3 gap, or PS2 to Xbox? (or any other comparison you want to make)

I'm not saying either looks better, I was just interested to see whether people thought the gap between 3DS/Vita in terms of visuals was as big as DS to PSP or other comparable console generations. Here are some screenshots (mostly in their native resolution on their respective devices) from the two biggest profile 3DS/Vita games.

Once again, I'm not stating an opinion on the subject, I'm just wondering how big you think the gap is (because Vita certainly comes out on top) and how does it compare to other console gaps in technology?

Once again, no one is saying the Vita screens don't look much better. (I tried putting them both in the resolution they will be on their respective screens)

And since I'm already being called out for picking bad screens, I will say I think the Resident Evil/Uncharted screens don't do the games justice. I know RE looks even better in motion and I'm sure Uncharted looks even more breath taking in person too. The first Uncharted screen is from Sony (From last month i believe) and the second Uncharted screen is from E3.

I tried picking two screens for each game that didn't take place in a cut scene. I figured a top down Uncharted one makes sense since you're usually swinging the camera around to see what is around Drake (whereas of course in RE the camera stays behind Jill) Sorry to have displeased anyone. Obviously if I was trying to make Uncharted look bad I wouldn't have included the stellar looking second screenshot.

The first Uncharted screen looks like crap.

You could have at least picked 2 nice-looking screens for both systems.

To answer your question, the gap is probably something like Dreamcast vs. Xbox. But I'm not a graphics programmer so idk.

I would say that it is similar to the 360 vs Ps3 gap

What's with the huge Vita screens? The real thing isn't that big. Not on my screen at least. (also, is it me or is there a suspicious lack of jaggies the RE screens? :P )Desmonic

With the 3D off it hardly has any jaggies, its disappointing though that with the 3D on it cuts your eyes, which is a shame because the depth is well done.

The first Uncharted screen looks like crap.

You could have at least picked 2 nice-looking screens for both systems.

To answer your question, the gap is probably something like Dreamcast vs. Xbox. But I'm not a graphics programmer so idk.

Cherokee_Jack

I thought it looked good, and I was simply trying to find a screen for it around 950x540 or so.

6 comments in and I'm already accussed of picking bad screens, I guess I did. I didn't think the Revelations screens looked particularly good honestly, not as good as what I'm seeing in motion on my 3DS as I'm sure Uncharted looks even better in motion

That top screen is (obviously) directly from Sony themselves from last month (I think) and the second Uncharted screen is from ths past E3.

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[QUOTE="Desmonic"]What's with the huge Vita screens? The real thing isn't that big. Not on my screen at least. (also, is it me or is there a suspicious lack of jaggies the RE screens? :P )Desmonic

With the 3D off it hardly has any jaggies, its disappointing though that with the 3D on it cuts your eyes, which is a shame because the depth is well done.

It makes HORRIBLE jaggies on eeeeverything. Like, sitting 3 feet away from a 60inch high def tv with a wii game going kind of jaggies, and what makes it worse is that when in motion, it makes everything have a shimmery effect to it and its really annoying

I would say that it is similar to the 360 vs Ps3 gap

LastRambo341

I would say that it is similar to the 360 vs Ps3 gap

LastRambo341

Probably around a Wii to PS3 gap considering the 3DS is an underpowered Wii and the PSVita is an underpowered PS3.

GameCube+ vs gimped PS3.

However, 3DS' res is lower and it has two CPUs (or a single dual-core, w/e) and it's GPU can fake effects on-par with DX9 and DX10 effects, hence it may match the visual appeal of some Vita games.

I would say the same as DS vs PSP

What's with the huge Vita screens? The real thing isn't that big. Not on my screen at least. (also, is it me or is there a suspicious lack of jaggies the RE screens? :P )Desmonic

Take a screenshot on your vita, it'll be the same resolution. 960x544 is the vita's resolution.

The pixel density of the VITA is more than double. To get an accurate view of graphics comparision, halve the size of the PSP screenshots and you'll get a better idea of the difference in the real world.

The gap in processing power. Nintendo 3DS is akin to a portable Gamecube. PSvita is 1/2 a PS3. The Nintendo 3DS has the lead in popularity so the gap between the two systems there goes to Nintendo.

For me I bought a PSvita, The 3D effect on the 3DS does not work on me. My vision is bad, you need 20/20 vision without glasses to enjoy the 3D effect. 8%-17% of the general population is not able to see the 3D effects used such devices.

Same reason I didn't drop $300.00 on the Playstation 3D monitor.

Tech wise PSvita wins, Popular wise the 3DS wins. Nintendo will retain the handheld gaming crown in the 8th generation. But Sony has the more powerful techonolgy and will give Nintendo a good run for the money

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I would say the same as DS vs PSP

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]What's with the huge Vita screens? The real thing isn't that big. Not on my screen at least. (also, is it me or is there a suspicious lack of jaggies the RE screens? :P )Desmonic

Take a screenshot on your vita, it'll be the same resolution. 960x544 is the vita's resolution.

No, the picture is not downscaled. You see the 960x544 pixels on your vita just as you see them on your screen. The screens may look bigger on your monitor because the ppi (pixels per inch) is much smaller. More pixels per inch: clearer image. Like the newest iphone has 640×960 pixels at 326 ppi (quoting wikipedia here as I don't have an Iphone :P) and therefor you see a much sharper image than the previous models which had 320-by-480-pixel resolution at 163 ppi.

Vita.........................................................3DS

Approximately that big.

Ooooohh! So since the Vita has better ppi, it looks better and smaller than what I'm seing on my screen. That does explain a lot XD Thanks :D

Desmonic

Exactly, you're welcome ;)

From what I know about the graphics in the 3DS and Vita, I'd there is at least a good 75% advantage on the part of the Vita. But we don't know anything about the clock speeds in their GPUs, only known limits.

DMP PICA200 (according to wiki) is capable of 15.3 Million Polygons and 800 MPixels per second at 200 MHz. What bothers me is that I cannot find any information on texturing fillrates and how exactly the pipeline is configured. The large gap between polygon and pixel output is reminiscent of the PS2 and PSP, where their extremely high pixel fillrates made up for the lack of texture units and ROPs. The PICA200 of a very Nintendo like nature sports hardware implementations of various special effects (as in no heavy shader program required), so rendering them will be quick and efficient.

The quad core SGX543MP4+ in the Vita is capable of 35 Million Polygons and 1000 MPixels per second at 200 MHz per core (according to wiki). So with four cores, you're looking at a top out theoretical of 140 Million polygons and 4000 MPixels per second. From what I've been able to find, there are 2 texture mapping units per core in the vita, so @ 200 MHz, with four cores that should be 1600 MTexels per second. Also, there are no mentions of whether the pixel value is the z-buffering ROP capability or if it's the pixel shader. It is possible that the ALUs comprising the vertex shader are in actuality in charge of both vertex and pixel shader workloads, which would make sense in this day and age for the sake of having better management of rendering workloads, though on the transistor side of things, fixed function always requires less transistors, and therefore smaller die size and to a degree better power efficiency but at the cost of rendering efficiency if the workloads are not pre-optimized.

What I'm beginning to think is that the SGX543 cores are indeed of unified nature, so the machine could be seen as a 16 shader : 8 texture unit : 8 ROP GPU. That would give us 1600 MPixels and MTexels per clock.


All in all the numbers one can find on the internet are very vague for either system, and I'm sure both GPUs are marketed with questionable figures.

ppi counts for visual clarity, not resolution. 1080p looks really good on a normal home TV, but it would look like ass on a movie theatre screen for instance.

I vote DS vs PSP all over again

I vote DS vs PSP all over again

babycakin

Technically yes, graphically no. You have to count in the 3D effect and lower resolution (which allows for more detail) on the 3DS. There have also been rumours how the second CPU or CPU core in the 3DS has only recently been "fred" for game usage.

People are forgetting what graphics the GC and Xbox could produce:

3DS is capable of such graphics, just in lower-res.

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I would say that it is similar to the 360 vs Ps3 gap

Cherokee_Jack

The gap in processing power. Nintendo 3DS is akin to a portable Gamecube. PSvita is 1/2 a PS3. The Nintendo 3DS has the lead in popularity so the gap between the two systems there goes to Nintendo.

For me I bought a PSvita, The 3D effect on the 3DS does not work on me. My vision is bad, you need 20/20 vision without glasses to enjoy the 3D effect. 8%-17% of the general population is not able to see the 3D effects used such devices.

Same reason I didn't drop $300.00 on the Playstation 3D monitor.

Tech wise PSvita wins, Popular wise the 3DS wins. Nintendo will retain the handheld gaming crown in the 8th generation. But Sony has the more powerful techonolgy and will give Nintendo a good run for the money

Megavideogamer

I want to know your sources on that, because thats a massive load of bs. I have corrected vision and I can enjoy the 3d effect just fine with or without my contacts/glasses...

Graphically VITA is superior. Slightly but superior.

Not very sizable. The gap has thinned mightily since DS/PSP, and that's on Nintendo's part.

It´s big, but not a gen big. Probably PS2/Xbox difference.

The PSV is clearly more powerfull than the 3DS.

I would say that it is similar to the 360 vs Ps3 gap

LastRambo341

There is no 360 vs PS3 gap.

Right now there isn't an apparent large gap. I think we will start to see a bigger difference as developers become acclimated to these handhelds, however, and will probably see the Vita pull ahead by a fair margin. That's not a knock on the 3DS though, because if I had to bet money on it I'd say the 3DS will have the better games.

PS Vita can produce early PS3 like graphics, and it won't get much better because although games like UC GA look good to achieve that now most of them run lower than Vita's native resolution and framerate problems, nowhere near Uncharted 1 quality. And I would hope future games run at native resolution on the Vita (e.g. MK7 is 60fps in 3D, that means it displays more pixels per second than UC GA sub native resolution on Vita).

3DS is like a Gamecube with a better graphics card (a lot better in some respects), from what I have played it seems like it.

It's a big gap, but unlike DS and PSP, 3DS graphics are no longer limited like they were with the original DS; large 3D worlds won't be a problem.

PS Vita can produce early PS3 like graphics, and it won't get much better because although games like UC GA look good to achieve that now most of them run lower than Vita's native resolution and framerate problems, nowhere near Uncharted 1 quality.

SaltyMeatballs

There's such a thing as optimization.

The gap in processing power. Nintendo 3DS is akin to a portable Gamecube. PSvita is 1/2 a PS3. The Nintendo 3DS has the lead in popularity so the gap between the two systems there goes to Nintendo.

For me I bought a PSvita, The 3D effect on the 3DS does not work on me. My vision is bad, you need 20/20 vision without glasses to enjoy the 3D effect. 8%-17% of the general population is not able to see the 3D effects used such devices.

Same reason I didn't drop $300.00 on the Playstation 3D monitor.

Tech wise PSvita wins, Popular wise the 3DS wins. Nintendo will retain the handheld gaming crown in the 8th generation. But Sony has the more powerful techonolgy and will give Nintendo a good run for the money

Megavideogamer

There are no specs on the 3DS CPU, though inevitably it isn't quad-core like Vita of course.

And I don't get all this "3DS is an underpowerd Wii, GameCube" when it has a dual core CPU and more RAM than both the Cube/Wii (although I think the 3DS's GPU is slower than the Wii, but the shaders/effects make it look much better than Wii games)

That's all I got on it, so don't expect it to sound accurate lol.

I would say somewhere inbetween the two options you gave from looking at Screenshots and youtube videos.

Old but still relatively applicable, Digital Foundry:

While Kojima's demonstration of a pared-back Metal Gear Solid 4 (still operating with many PS3-level assets) puts paid to the notion that NGP offers the same level of processing power as the PlayStation 3, it does at least suggest that with careful nipping and tucking, an equivalent mobile experience can be created.

It also demonstrates in spectacular style that NGP is significantly more powerful than the Nintendo 3DS. Even factoring in the stereoscopic resolution of 800x240, NGP is still operating with over 2.5 times as many pixels, plus the Lost Planet 2 demonstration was a strong indication that support for the full OpenGL 2.0 ES feature-set presents visual capabilities that the 3DS struggles to match. What we saw here was a considerably richer visual experience than what has been seen in Capcom's equivalent work on Resident Evil: Revelations. Behind the magical stereoscopic effect and some of the GPU effects, there's still a sense that 3DS feels like a Dreamcast or PS2-level of hardware while NGP reaches - and almost seems to reach - the next generation.

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The difference in power, however, may be less apparent, due to diminishing returns.

In terms of Power the Vita is capable of WAY more. Not even a competition. 3D sucks as well. Useless gimmick on handhelds.