How can anybody say that the PS3 is winning?

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]If I hear "Cherrypicking" one more time in this thread my head will explode. Burden of proof is always on the defending side, it's a kind of Didn't happen if I can't see it sort of thing. Although the offence is always welcome to throw their own proof out there before the defence can even mount a defence if this is what we are attempting to call this here.Alpha-Male22

Nope, all you've done is taking random responses from random threads and spliced them together into a baseless attack.

If I hear "Cherrypicking" one more time in this thread my head will explode. Burden of proof is always on the defending side, it's a kind of Didn't happen if I can't see it sort of thing. Although the offence is always welcome to throw their own proof out there before the defence can even mount a defence if this is what we are attempting to call this here.Jynxzor

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"]If I hear "Cherrypicking" one more time in this thread my head will explode. Burden of proof is always on the defending side, it's a kind of Didn't happen if I can't see it sort of thing. Although the offence is always welcome to throw their own proof out there before the defence can even mount a defence if this is what we are attempting to call this here.MizFitAwesome

Nope, all you've done is taking random responses from random threads and spliced them together into a baseless attack.

Since I'm still waiting for a defense (remember, ad hominens, strawmans, shifting the burden of proof are all fallacious reasonings that you have displayed. they therefore don't count, despite the fact you continously use it) and since I've gotten bored of you beating around the bush, I'll let your failure to compose a relevant response to speak for itself. And it speaks volumes ;)

Good bye, and thanks for the laugh. It was great.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"] I think I've given proof showing Miz hiding behind sales. I've responded to his claim of cows hiding behind PC's, and I've shown him appealing to scores and then shown him stating scores are for fanboys. If I'm making an error in my argument, please tell me. But I do think my defense is reasonable (if u were talking about my defense, that is). Alpha-Male22

Nope, all you've done is taking random responses from random threads and spliced them together into a baseless attack.

Since I'm still waiting for a defense (remember, ad hominens, strawmans, shifting the burden of proof are all fallacious reasonings that you have displayed. they therefore don't count, despite the fact you continously use it) and since I've gotten bored of you beating around the bush, I'll let your failure to compose a relevant response to speak for itself. And it speaks volumes ;)

Good bye, and thanks for the laugh. It was great.

Case in point. His responses are just an endless circle of meaningless banter and poor defense. Because he lost pages ago...

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Nope, all you've done is taking random responses from random threads and spliced them together into a baseless attack.

MizFitAwesome

Since I'm still waiting for a defense (remember, ad hominens, strawmans, shifting the burden of proof are all fallacious reasonings that you have displayed. they therefore don't count, despite the fact you continously use it) and since I've gotten bored of you beating around the bush, I'll let your failure to compose a relevant response to speak for itself. And it speaks volumes ;)

Good bye, and thanks for the laugh. It was great.

Case in point. His responses are just an endless circle of meaningless banter and poor defense. Because he lost pages ago...

Poor defense that you are afraid to deconstruct. Poor defense that you have failed to challenge. You haven't proven it to be poor, therefore, there's no reason to think it so. All talk and no show. This is where I leave off: your continous silence has resulted the spotlight still to be shifted under you. Until you prove it, I'll be waiting.

Funny how you ignored the list of claims and premises I made.

Once again: Prove it.

Poor defense that you are afraid to deconstruct. Poor defense that you have failed to challenge. You haven't proven it to be poor, therefore, there's no reason to think it so. All talk and no show. This is where I leave off: your continous silence has resulted the spotlight still to be shifted under you. Until you prove it, I'll be waiting.

Funny how you ignored the list of claims and premises I made.

Once again: Prove it.

Alpha-Male22

You keep forgetting to put IMO in front of your responses. Yes I agree you are all talk and no show. You just continue to spurt the same nonsense over and over again,,,

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

You said that same exact thing a few posts ago. My response remains the same-- *yawn*. If all your going to do is nothing of relevance, then there's no reason for me to reply since I'm still waiting for a proper defense.

Since I'm still waiting for a defense (remember, ad hominens, strawmans, shifting the burden of proof are all fallacious reasonings that you have displayed. they therefore don't count, despite the fact you continously use it) and since I've gotten bored of you beating around the bush, I'll let your failure to compose a relevant response to speak for itself. And it speaks volumes ;)

Good bye, and thanks for the laugh. It was great.

Alpha-Male22

Case in point. His responses are just an endless circle of meaningless banter and poor defense. Because he lost pages ago...

Poor defense that you are afraid to deconstruct. Poor defense that you have failed to challenge. You haven't proven it to be poor, therefore, there's no reason to think it so. All talk and no show. This is where I leave off: your continous silence has resulted the spotlight still to be shifted under you. Until you prove it, I'll be waiting.

Funny how you ignored the list of claims and premises I made.

Once again: Prove it.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

Look up Shifting the Burden of Proof :lol: I expected you not to identify an argument since you make none in your response

Alpha-Male22

I did, it says a typical Alpha Male response since his argument is fail...

Keep digging your grave. It makes my job easier. Oh, and scroll up. I baby fed you.

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

I did, it says a typical Alpha Male response since his argument is fail...

mgs_freak91

Keep digging your grave. It makes my job easier. Oh, and scroll up. I baby fed you.

Thank you, it wasn't really difficult since Alpha just kep repeating the same nonsense over and over again without ever really getting to a point. I'd actually look forward to debating when he stops trying to spin everything I say and becomes a little bit less obsessive...

The PS3 might not be anywhere near the top for sales which isn't important to me. It does deliver with games which should be more important than sales, but I guess others with think otherwise.

So, has anyone presented a legitimate argument which shows the PS3 as the winner? :)Stevo_the_gamer

the ps3 lost this generation, it's too late for the slim to do anything now

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"][QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

Keep digging your grave. It makes my job easier. Oh, and scroll up. I baby fed you.

MizFitAwesome

Thank you, it wasn't really difficult since Alpha just kep repeating the same nonsense over and over again without ever really getting to a point. I'd actually look forward to debating when he stops trying to spin everything I say and becomes a little bit less obsessive...

Im still waiting for you to prove I spinned anything. Telling me I spinned something without actually proving it is a spin by you. Once again you prove to fall into your own traps.

"To be the King you have to score higher than your competition"
"true gamers form their own opinion as opposed to conforms it with an opinion by a total stranger"

Typical example of a lemming manipulating sales and scores whenever it benefits him.

"Bu- bu- the spinz!"

Quality > Quantity..

Simple formula that wii fans cant comprehend.
The fact that a console sells well, doesnt mean itself and the games are great.

A ps3 is more expensive for a good reason and making games for it is HARD and COSTS a lot.

So when developers are churning out good games for it, then ps3 in terms of EVERYTHING to music, media, internet etc... is better really.
It sure is winning to TRUE and all kinds of gamers.

But obviously if your not old enough to enjoy games like MGS4, Dead Space, Gta4, Gears of War2,... (also applies to 360) you can not enjoy the ps3 at all!

But obviously if your not old enough to enjoy games like MGS4, Dead Space, Gta4, Gears of War2,... (also applies to 360) you can not enjoy the ps3 at all!

g0ddyX

You know, you were going so well until that last line... So if I'm 18, and I enjoy playing Mario or Pokemon more than MGS 4 or Dead Space (and I admit, I do), then I'm not 'old' or 'mature' enough? Actually, I think people who make statementrs like this are just insecure about their maturity/masculinity (Take your pick) and feel the need to defend it by putting others down. A true gamer would enjoy a game regardless of whether it's M or E, and a mature person would be able to actually comprehend that rather than look for teh gorez in every game he plays.

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]But obviously if your not old enough to enjoy games like MGS4, Dead Space, Gta4, Gears of War2,... (also applies to 360) you can not enjoy the ps3 at all!

charizard1605

You know, you were going so well until that last line... So if I'm 18, and I enjoy playing Mario or Pokemon more than MGS 4 or Dead Space (and I admit, I do), then I'm not 'old' or 'mature' enough? Actually, I think people who make statementrs like this are just insecure about their maturity/masculinity (Take your pick) and feel the need to defend it by putting others down. A true gamer would enjoy a game regardless of whether it's M or E, and a mature person would be able to actually comprehend that rather than look for teh gorez in every game he plays.

No offense, but the term 'grow up', as hard as it may be, doesnt just apply to gaming.

Am not putting anyone down, am just clarifying a fact of an AGE 18/15 rated game...

True gamers play all games, ie Crysis, Halo, MGS4, LBP, Left for Dead2, Forza, Demon Souls etc... not just wii games ;)

But of course, wii fans never oblige to the facts.

Besides, I bet, i was a more hardcore Mario and Pokemon fan than you, thats right ;)

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]But obviously if your not old enough to enjoy games like MGS4, Dead Space, Gta4, Gears of War2,... (also applies to 360) you can not enjoy the ps3 at all!

g0ddyX

You know, you were going so well until that last line... So if I'm 18, and I enjoy playing Mario or Pokemon more than MGS 4 or Dead Space (and I admit, I do), then I'm not 'old' or 'mature' enough? Actually, I think people who make statementrs like this are just insecure about their maturity/masculinity (Take your pick) and feel the need to defend it by putting others down. A true gamer would enjoy a game regardless of whether it's M or E, and a mature person would be able to actually comprehend that rather than look for teh gorez in every game he plays.

No offense, but the term 'grow up', as hard as it may be, doesnt just apply to gaming.

Am not putting anyone down, am just clarifying a fact of an AGE 18/15 rated game...

True gamers play all games, ie Crysis, Halo, MGS4, LBP, Left for Dead2, Forza, Demon Souls etc... not just wii games ;)

But of course, wii fans never oblige to the facts.

Besides, I bet, i was a more hardcore Mario and Pokemon fan than you, thats right ;)

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"] Haha. You are now ONE OF MY new heroes on these forums! Alpha-Male22

Thank you, it wasn't really difficult since Alpha just kep repeating the same nonsense over and over again without ever really getting to a point. I'd actually look forward to debating when he stops trying to spin everything I say and becomes a little bit less obsessive...

Im still waiting for you to prove I spinned anything. Telling me I spinned something without actually proving it is a spin by you. Once again you prove to fall into your own traps.

"To be the King you have to score higher than your competition"
"true gamers form their own opinion as opposed to conforms it with an opinion by a total stranger"

Typical example of a lemming manipulating sales and scores whenever it benefits him.

"Bu- bu- the spinz!"

NEWSFLASH an opinion is a score, so if I say Halo 3 scores higher then KZ2 and R2 (my opinion after playing all 3) then guess what I am a true gamer (unlike you) and Halo 3 is king. You lost from the beginning and continued to drag this one by spinning and manipulating, so I guess by your logic you are a lemming now.

Cognitive dissonance

SUD123456

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Thank you, it wasn't really difficult since Alpha just kep repeating the same nonsense over and over again without ever really getting to a point. I'd actually look forward to debating when he stops trying to spin everything I say and becomes a little bit less obsessive...

MizFitAwesome

Im still waiting for you to prove I spinned anything. Telling me I spinned something without actually proving it is a spin by you. Once again you prove to fall into your own traps.

"To be the King you have to score higher than your competition"
"true gamers form their own opinion as opposed to conforms it with an opinion by a total stranger"

Typical example of a lemming manipulating sales and scores whenever it benefits him.

"Bu- bu- the spinz!"

NEWSFLASH an opinion is a score, so if I say Halo 3 scores higher then KZ2 and R2 (my opinion after playing all 3) then guess what I am a true gamer (unlike you) and Halo 3 is king. You lost from the beginning and continued to drag this one by spinning and manipulating, so I guess by your logic you are a lemming now.

It's about time you finally gave an actual ANSWER. Took you long enough.

You RESORT to using scores only when they benefit you. IF you played all three (doubt it) and concluded Halo was better, then you WOULDN'T have appealed to the score to state Halo was king. Keep trying to twist your way out: you flat out stated you have to score higher than the competition, not that you played all three and used your own opinion. Nice try... oh wait, no it wasn't :lol:

Your a die hard lemming that oozes jealousy whenever something great happens for the PS3. Why do you appeal to the 9.5 score (if you looked at the actual thread I quoted you from, since you clearly didn't) to state that it is better than R2 and K2? Remember what you said? Using scores makes you a blind fanboy :roll: Great self-ownage.

Oh and by the way, relating back to the first point, Cows hiding behind the PC doesn't disprove the fact that PC/360 games are mutliplatform. Using ad hominens automatically shows you cant win an argument.

in sales, not at all. its had some absolutely killer exclusives this year, however.

NEWSFLASH an opinion is a score, so if I say Halo 3 scores higher then KZ2 and R2 (my opinion after playing all 3) then guess what I am a true gamer (unlike you) and Halo 3 is king. You lost from the beginning and continued to drag this one by spinning and manipulating, so I guess by your logic you are a lemming now.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, has anyone presented a legitimate argument which shows the PS3 as the winner? :)charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, has anyone presented a legitimate argument which shows the PS3 as the winner? :)Stevo_the_gamer

MGSIV > All

That includes beating Crysis Graphically.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Not yet.Lionheart08

MGSIV > All

That includes beating Crysis Graphically.

[QUOTE="TheCoreGamer_"]because for real gamers, "winning", has to do with Games. and by far sony is winning in the games department. Leading in AAAAE, tied for lead with AAAE, basically puts them first.charizard1605

let me give this a shot. the ps3 have more new quality IP's this gen than the 360 (infamous, lbp, demons souls, etc.). the ps3 system itself has a higher value than 360; wifi/bluray/free internet is a plus. as much as i dont care for graphics it has killzone 2 and uncharted 2, which are top notch (possibly the best graphics on consoles i guess? so far?!). it managed to catch up with quality titles against the 360 when 360 had a head start. its the first console this gen to receive AAAAE status. future upcoming titles such as the last guardian, gow3, gt5, ffvs13 looks to be quality games also. this is ps3 vs 360 right? half the time it is lol. hack away at this lemmings! :PMeowmixxvi

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Not yet.Lionheart08

MGSIV > All

That includes beating Crysis Graphically.

Nooooooo. Lionheart has defeated me! :cry:

Curse you!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, has anyone presented a legitimate argument which shows the PS3 as the winner? :)Stevo_the_gamer

It's about time you finally gave an actual ANSWER. Took you long enough.

You RESORT to using scores only when they benefit you. IF you played all three (doubt it) and concluded Halo was better, then you WOULDN'T have appealed to the score to state Halo was king. Keep trying to twist your way out: you flat out stated you have to score higher than the competition, not that you played all three and used your own opinion. Nice try... oh wait, no it wasn't :lol:

Your a die hard lemming that oozes jealousy whenever something great happens for the PS3. Why do you appeal to the 9.5 score (if you looked at the actual thread I quoted you from, since you clearly didn't) to state that it is better than R2 and K2? Remember what you said? Using scores makes you a blind fanboy :roll: Great self-ownage.

Oh and by the way, relating back to the first point, Cows hiding behind the PC doesn't disprove the fact that PC/360 games are mutliplatform. Using ad hominens automatically shows you cant win an argument.

Alpha-Male22

Such open condescendence coming from a cow. You took the statement I made and presumed I was referring to the GS score , which I wasn't (your bovine glasses made you miss the MY OPINION). Your whole argument against me is based on your presumptions and fanboy views (spin at its finest.) If you are not a fanboy then why have that animated gif in your sig attacking Halo, when you hadn't even played U2 yet?

BTW the cows hidin PC point isn't attempting to insinuate PC/360 are exlusive to 360. It's to show how you cows have to hide behind 2 platforms to play the games on 360....

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="TheCoreGamer_"]because for real gamers, "winning", has to do with Games. and by far sony is winning in the games department. Leading in AAAAE, tied for lead with AAAE, basically puts them first.TheCoreGamer_

Sales obviously

the people that say the ps3 is winning arent claiming so by facts, just opinions

facts:

best selling: Wii

most games: 360

Look at the Poll results... a good 33% of the people actually think the PS3 is winning! No wonder System ars is called Cowland.charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Look at the Poll results... a good 33% of the people actually think the PS3 is winning! No wonder System ars is called Cowland.12345678ew

There are actually 4 SW faction and one of them (sheep) are vitually extinct. Just saying.

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Do you think we'll ever see one? :PStevo_the_gamer

MGSIV > All

That includes beating Crysis Graphically.

Nooooooo. Lionheart has defeated me! :cry:

Curse you!

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

It's about time you finally gave an actual ANSWER. Took you long enough.

You RESORT to using scores only when they benefit you. IF you played all three (doubt it) and concluded Halo was better, then you WOULDN'T have appealed to the score to state Halo was king. Keep trying to twist your way out: you flat out stated you have to score higher than the competition, not that you played all three and used your own opinion. Nice try... oh wait, no it wasn't :lol:

Your a die hard lemming that oozes jealousy whenever something great happens for the PS3. Why do you appeal to the 9.5 score (if you looked at the actual thread I quoted you from, since you clearly didn't) to state that it is better than R2 and K2? Remember what you said? Using scores makes you a blind fanboy :roll: Great self-ownage.

Oh and by the way, relating back to the first point, Cows hiding behind the PC doesn't disprove the fact that PC/360 games are mutliplatform. Using ad hominens automatically shows you cant win an argument.

MizFitAwesome

Such open condescendence coming from a cow. You took the statement I made and presumed I was referring to the GS score , which I wasn't (your bovine glasses made you miss the MY OPINION). Your whole argument against me is based on your presumptions and fanboy views (spin at its finest.) If you are not a fanboy then why have that animated gif in your sig attacking Halo, when you hadn't even played U2 yet?

BTW the cows hidin PC point isn't attempting to insinuate PC/360 are exlusive to 360. It's to show how you cows have to hide behind 2 platforms to play the games on 360....

Look how u orginally stated to using your opinion, and now how ur all of a sudden stating u werent using GS scores. Cant get your story straight Miz?

You made a direct quote to someone using the scores on GS :lol: Nice try. And it doesnt matter WHICH score you use, since u FAIL to understand that the fact that u used it shows ur a blind fanboy by YOUR logic. The only one spinning here is you. You dont like to use scores when COWS will use it. You call it a blind man conforming to another mans opinion, but you use it to state that in order to be king, you have to score higher.

Do you really think a gif that I received as a gift is proof of fanboyism? In typical fashion, you resort to pulling at straws. Use my arguments to prove something, not a gif. For example, when proving Halo to be better, you use Halo scores. When cows use scores to show Uncharteds score, u call them blind. This is a clear example of bias.

What a laughable assumption. Are you trying to say PS3 owners play on PC to avoid playing on the 360? please tell me what ur trying to say here, that made no sense at all. Of course, it also shows ur petiness-- u have to hide behind ad hominens when cows make the point that 360 and PC games are multiplatform. Even more evidence that u just cant stand it when the PS3 gets a leg to stand on.

lol @ the PS3 finally having good sales since the slim launch so everyone thinks it's winning now. I find it funny when these things happen. Until it actually passes the 360 in total sales worldwide than it will be winning.

Obviously that's not even close to happening.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]If I hear "Cherrypicking" one more time in this thread my head will explode. Burden of proof is always on the defending side, it's a kind of Didn't happen if I can't see it sort of thing. Although the offence is always welcome to throw their own proof out there before the defence can even mount a defence if this is what we are attempting to call this here.Alpha-Male22

the people that say the ps3 is winning arent claiming so by facts, just opinions

facts:

best selling: Wii

most games: Wii

ogvampire

Fix'd. Wii has more games than the XBox360.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

the people that say the ps3 is winning arent claiming so by facts, just opinions

facts:

best selling: Wii

most games: Wii

Fix'd. Wii has more games than the XBox360.