How Dark Souls ever got a higher score than Skyrim here is beyond me

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

I'd say Darks Souls is bit better now that I've played Skyrim for a bit.

• Dark Souls combat is far superior to Skyrim. It's not even a contest. You can duel wield any thing, two hand anything, different animations for every weapon in Dark Souls.
• The enemy design in Dark Souls is also better. The only stand out enemy from Skyrim is Dragons and the Dwemer centuarians, while Dark Souls has new enemies for every area and they're actually well designed.
• Dungeon design is another thing Dark Souls wins in. While Skyrim improves exponentially over Oblivion, it still doesn't compare to Dark Souls.
• Personally Dark Souls also wins in music and art styyle, though Skyrim is pretty good in these areas as well.

The only thing Skyrim does better than Dark Souls is a large world and fun exploration.

HoolaHoopMan

Better enemies? You're fighting skeletons/zombie guys half the time in Dark Souls and honestly the only enemy design I would praise are the bosses.

Whaaat? That is completely wrong. You only encounter skeletons in TWO areas, and hollows are just a very basic enemy at the start of the game. Is that "half" of the game?

Witcher 2 murders Skyrim, and Dark Souls rapes it's corpse. :twisted:

Skyrim summed up in a single image:

-equips flameshield-

And people saying you only fight skeletons in Dark Souls? :lol: You find Draugs in almost every cave in Skyrim :lol:

Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Skyrim, Fable 2-3, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia are the top RPGs this generation by miles, so i just play them all on my xbox 360 and who cares which is a bit better than the other

I liked Dark Souls 100x more than Demons Souls though, the art and variety especially and the combat was far more refined, plus the game was infinitly longer

Dark Souls is better in everything except graphics, think its time to get over it. silversix_

My feelings exactly.

Dark Souls is a very addicting game, that manages to suck you in for sessions instead of hours on end like skyrim. However skyrim loses it's appeal after a while unlike Dark Souls that just gets better and better the more you get into it.

I don't understand why people bash on the difficulty so much, if you think it's easy good for you. If you make two mistakes in the same fight your are dead, and some enemies kill you on 1 mistake. On skyrim i randomly swing my sword and proceed to get loot, the combat requires no skill and you only spend so many hours because the game is long, not because it's challenging.

I like how TC makes his point by stating NOTHING but opinions, and ironically he comes off as a tool.

Not as hard? Then why complain about the need for a map? They kind of cancel eachother out, unless you get lost or hate exploring.

Some people are just... so dumb, or really feel like trolling.

Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Skyrim, Fable 2-3, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia are the top RPGs this generation by miles, so i just play them all on my xbox 360 and who cares which is a bit better than the other

I liked Dark Souls 100x more than Demons Souls though, the art and variety especially and the combat was far more refined, plus the game was infinitly longer

loosingENDS

I love when people use some crappy little image they found on the internet. The image is so small, you can barely see anything anyway.

DragonfireXZ95

Yup, some image I found on the internet, I did a quick Google image search for Skyrim and Dark Souls picking up my favorite of the first few (reasonably sized) results. That aside, your choice of image has been picked in such a way as to make one appear better than the other; you seem to have avoided any image with an NPC in Skyrim when you clearly selected a Dark Souls image with an NPC due to the poor quality of them (which is shared in the two games). That selection is like if I was going to compare the graphics of MW to MW3 getting a generic imagefor the MW shot and a sniper zoom on a blurry wall texture for MW2 saying: "See, MW3 only got worse!"

Dark Souls is better than Skyrim in almost every conceivable way. Skyrim is very mediocre and it's popularity baffles me. Yeah it's a big game and it's visuals really impressed me considering it's scope but all the little things you can do don't impress me a bit considering it's terrible animations, terrible voice acting, terrible combat, and it's obviously bad frame rate and game breaking bugs.

Jolt_counter119

I love both. They should combine them and call it Skyrim Souls. No, serious, Skyrim actually copied quite some aspects from Demon's Souls. There's even a perk called Dark Souls...if I remember correctly.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I like how TC makes his point by stating NOTHING but opinions, and ironically he comes off as a tool.

Not as hard? Then why complain about the need for a map? They kind of cancel eachother out, unless you get lost or hate exploring.

Some people are just... so dumb, or really feel like trolling.

WilliamRLBaker

I decided it was pointless to keep arguing with him.

I love both. They should combine them and call it Skyrim Souls. No, serious, Skyrim actually copied quite some aspects from Demon's Souls. There's even a perk called Dark Souls...if I remember correctly.

zekere

Reason why Dark Souls scored higher is simply because it is a better game. simple dimple

The frame rate is awful in Blighttown, which already carries a cheap design (no way to get from the swamp to the boss without becoming poisoned)BadNewsBen

Orly? Then how did I manage doing exactly that, 3 times?

Ok prepare for rant, hopefully this will be overwhelmingly big:

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]I prefer Skyrim to Dark Souls. Dark Souls biggest redeeming quality is its gameplay, something I wish more action rpg creators would take notes from. However there's plenty of cheap parts and I'm not a fan of the online system. timmy00

I can understand your lack of enjoyment when it comes to co op, considering the servers are now P2P and are about as efficient as an SUV ( NOT EFFICIENT). But you have clearly failed to understand Dark Soul's Nature, hell it's as if your entire game collection/preference consists of the same ol' flashy boring sh*t like Skyrim. There is a level restriction of I believe 10 levels in between. "I can understand why it's there but I just wish they threw it all together"… hmm… You must be trolling. "Throwing it all together" is what Bethesda did with Skyrim, and look what happened, some buggy sh*t that's for sure. The level restrictions are there because…. Well just imagine, your world being constantly invaded by players of higher levels, better equipment, and more experience. Yeah, HOW THE F*CK IS THAT AN IMPROVEMENT?

Dark Souls has to be strict with level restrictions and conditions etc. because is they weren't there, your experience would be hell and honestly you probably wouldn't even be able to get past Anor Londo.

How much of the game have you even played? Not much I can imagine, you can only start criticizing it once you know it well, and apparently you don't:

"Dark Soul world just isn't interesting to explore. It's just not rewarding enough for how annoying it is to get to your destination."

Wow and let me guess, in Skyrim, it is? When you travel to destinations it's because you really need something, if you didn't need you'd probably be too scared to make such a trip, of course travelling between Firelink Shrine and Andrei is easy as sh*t but at least there are some standard enemies in the way and a reasonable walking distance.

Just not interesting to explore, huh? Oh does Skyrim have a vertical level design? Oh yeah, no it doesn't. Skyrim has fast travel, that's it, no awesome as sh*t shortcuts that have you going through tough sh*t to open them. Yeah, Skyrim is bigger, but sure as hell doesn't have the rewarding exploration that you can experience in Dark Souls.

I can imagine you've only played maybe… 70 hours, at the most. I can also imagine that you don't have all of the enemy patterns, weapon scaling, drop rates, and shortcut locations/travelling methods memorized, which is really important for future playthroughs. You need to experience the entirety of Dark Souls and then you can criticize it, because then you'd probably know what you're talking about, what I see now is some biased, limited opinion based on at the most 1 playthrough (did I mention how playthroughs work… I'll fill you in). Replay value is something that does not exist in Skyrim, all you can do after finishing all of the quests (I'm sure it would take a while, but perfectly plausible) is walk around with your overpowered weapons, that feel like sticks. In Dark Souls, there are 2 alternate endings based on your choice, you can continue doing as many playthroughs as you like and it will just keep getting harder, and harder, and harder, until even with the best equivalent and overwhelming experience (e.g: me) the game is almost impossible to beat. Playthroughs are also very important to optimize your arsenal, To get all of the weapons, spells, armor, and miracles you would need to finish more than 4 playthroughs, but most people will take at least 5 because the sheer amount of collectable itwems/weapons I so overwhelming.

Have you met the Darkmoon Covenant? The Forest Hunters? The Chaos Covenant? The Sunlight Warriors? All of these guys are crucial the game and yet they are hidden (excluding the forest hunters, they're still very hard to properly use), in fact the Darkmoon Covenant is only accessible after finding an obscure ring in the catacombs (a.k.a nowhere near the darkmoon covenant).

Oh yeah, that's not all, you know what else is hidden? 5 entire areas, Painted world of Ariamis, which requires you to get a strange artifact from revisiting the tutorial level, and the great hallow, which is hidden by 2, yes 2, hidden walls that you need to hit for passage. This leads to ash lake, where the Dragon covenant is… lol

Anyways, I think you can only get into Dark Souls if you dedicate yourself. If you don't, then I'm sure you'll enjoy casual sh*t like Skyrim.

Dark souls focuses on a very narrow style of gameplay and content, and does so very well with what it has. I thought the difficulty stemmed mainly from cheapness. I really hated the lack of a clear story, and bare bones npc interaction. The world didn't feel real or alive at all, and the atmosphere fell flat because of this. I see people boasting about it's 60 hour campaign. Well, most of that I can say from experience is getting from point A to B, power leveling, and fighting the same enemies endlessly until the final boss fight, which had an incredibly dissapointing end. The multiplayer had potential, but the devs butchered the concept with all of the restrictions.

Skyrim has a much larger scope and appeal, much more content, better advertising, bigger fanbase, and a larger world. Of course more people are going to like it. I haven't beat skyrim yet, and I'm already 63 hours in--more than it took me to beat dark souls. I've enjoyed the hell out of it, which is much more than I can say for dark souls.

I think next Fallout/ES should be in third or first person, and not both. If they're making it in first person, make it so sword fights don't feel like 2 sticks rubbing on each other and you're fighting in space without gravity. If they're going for third person, for god sake make animations look good... Why RDR has such great animations for an open word game and Skyrim is like playing a game on ps2?? Its like Bethesda don't give a rat or wut? Last time i checked, combat is pretty important in a game that is combat heavy (DkS did it right, no first person and only third).silversix_

They're still using gamebryo, which has been around for at least a decade. They could vastly improve realism by scrapping it, but they're not willing to invest the time or money it seems.

Skyrim is the Game of the Year. Game of the Generation. Game of the Decade. Game of the Forever. Dark Souls is a cheap sequel to a good game that was highly overrated in the first place.charizard1605

While Skyrim is GOTY pretty much across the board, Game of the Gen actually goes to the Mass Effect series. Deal with it :cool:

both are rpg's both are different games thats honestly all there is to it

Skyrim is the Game of the Year. Game of the Generation. Game of the Decade. Game of the Forever. Dark Souls is a cheap sequel to a good game that was highly overrated in the first place.charizard1605

MGS4 scored a 100 metric score

game of the generation decade and of the forever herpy derp :roll:

The problem with Skyrim is that people often try to dissect it into small parts, making it far easier to criticise. Were the graphics good? Well yeah, but nothing special. Was the combat good? It was certainly an improvement over Oblivion, but it's still very basic. Is it polished? No, bugs everywhere. Is the voice acting good? It's by no means terrible (no, it isn't), but it isn't mind-blowing either. However, Skyrim is so much more than the sum of its parts. When everything comes together, THAT is when it becomes the overwhelmingly amazing experience that so many people love.

I've never played Dark Souls and I do not care to do so anytime soon, but people need to get over this Skyrim bashing. The game provides one of the most versatile, addicting single player experiences out there, If it's not your cup of tea, fair play to you, but going around saying it is horrible just makes you sound like a fanboy imo.

Skyrim is only a beta for the real game of the generation, Fallout 4 :cool:

The problem with Skyrim is that people often try to dissect it into small parts, making it far easier to criticise. Were the graphics good? Well yeah, but nothing special. Was the combat good? It was certainly an improvement over Oblivion, but it's still very basic. Is it polished? No, bugs everywhere. Is the voice acting good? It's by no means terrible (no, it isn't), but it isn't mind-blowing either. However, Skyrim is so much more than the sum of its parts. When everything comes together, THAT is when it becomes the overwhelmingly amazing experience that so many people love.

I've never played Dark Souls and I do not care to do so anytime soon, but people need to get over this Skyrim bashing. The game provides one of the most versatile, addicting single player experiences out there, If it's not your cup of tea, fair play to you, but going around saying it is horrible just makes you sound like a fanboy imo.

DraugenCP

I couldn't have said it better myself. Too many people fixate on the individual components, and not the overall package and presentation, from which the experience is derived.

Skyrim certainly isn't without it's balancing issues. Hell I find it funny how I can tank a dragon's breath but get one shotted by some random orc bandit.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

The problem with Skyrim is that people often try to dissect it into small parts, making it far easier to criticise. Were the graphics good? Well yeah, but nothing special. Was the combat good? It was certainly an improvement over Oblivion, but it's still very basic. Is it polished? No, bugs everywhere. Is the voice acting good? It's by no means terrible (no, it isn't), but it isn't mind-blowing either. However, Skyrim is so much more than the sum of its parts. When everything comes together, THAT is when it becomes the overwhelmingly amazing experience that so many people love.

I've never played Dark Souls and I do not care to do so anytime soon, but people need to get over this Skyrim bashing. The game provides one of the most versatile, addicting single player experiences out there, If it's not your cup of tea, fair play to you, but going around saying it is horrible just makes you sound like a fanboy imo.

AdobeArtist

I couldn't have said it better myself. Too many people fixate on the individual components, and not the overall package and presentation, from which the experience is derived.

A little comment on ur post, yours in red.

''The biggest thing I'd noticed was that the game wasn't that hard at all.''
''These moments are completely unfair and just not well done.''
''Another problem with Dark Souls is a lack of an ingame map. The world is huge''

You completely missed the principle of the game, the game isn't about fairness & it doesn't want you to feel comfortable. The game creates a unique atmosphere that is very different from most games. Hate it or live it, there is no denying that it is unique in the mess of prechewed crap that gaming is today.
Furthermore Skyrim has massive issues with maintaining a proper difficulty level throughout the game. I'm playing it on master and there are 2 things that define the difficulty of a oppponent: health & how hard it hits.

''Let looks at Skyrim. The world is huge and beautiful. There's so much to do and the game is rarely cheap. It makes you want to explore for hours.'''

Correct the world is awesome, the lack of difference in AI behaviour severly damages this aspect though.

''It's just an all around good game.''

Well aside from the horrible melee combat and the execution system being a joke the game still suffers from: badly scaled difficulty, horrible AI, boring attack patterns, horrible voice acting, bad animation, a lousy crafting system, a talent system filled will dull lower mana/more damage stuff.

''Sure there's a few glitches but nothing game breaking.''

If you consider bugged saves & broken quests as not game breaking, then yeah, you are right. Personally I was 5 hours in the game and I already had to use console commands to continue a bugged quest. thank god I have it on a PC.

One more simple thing about Skyrim that makes me puke: after all these games they still didn't introduce a proper collision effect when hitting NPC's with a sword.......

IMO Skyrim only lives up to it's potency on PC where it has mod tools and a console to avoid all the bugs, Dark Souls higer score is completely deserved.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

The problem with Skyrim is that people often try to dissect it into small parts, making it far easier to criticise. Were the graphics good? Well yeah, but nothing special. Was the combat good? It was certainly an improvement over Oblivion, but it's still very basic. Is it polished? No, bugs everywhere. Is the voice acting good? It's by no means terrible (no, it isn't), but it isn't mind-blowing either. However, Skyrim is so much more than the sum of its parts. When everything comes together, THAT is when it becomes the overwhelmingly amazing experience that so many people love.

I've never played Dark Souls and I do not care to do so anytime soon, but people need to get over this Skyrim bashing. The game provides one of the most versatile, addicting single player experiences out there, If it's not your cup of tea, fair play to you, but going around saying it is horrible just makes you sound like a fanboy imo.

meetroid8

I couldn't have said it better myself. Too many people fixate on the individual components, and not the overall package and presentation, from which the experience is derived.

i would say it's trying to do TOO much that it doesn't come off as elegant as it should.

Skyrim is actually so sh***y. If it wasn't so huge it would suck. I still love it though. But they should try to do simple stuff like animations half decently

As an overall package it is impressive. But it has the whole "Jack of all trades, master of none." problem. It is impressive, but there isn't anything particular about the game that is exceptionally well done. All of those little problems really bring down the game's quality.meetroid8

Well, it does a few things really well if you ask me. Art direction and dungeon design, for example.

Anyways, I think you can only get into Dark Souls if you dedicate yourself. If you don't, then I'm sure you'll enjoy casual sh*t like Skyrim.

parkurtommo

Dear lord you really overrated the game.

Edit- Maybe overrated isn't the right word. I certainly can't agree with those praises though.

lol@people not reading the OP

While I prefer Skyrim by leaps and bounds, the reviews are just opinions, so I take them as they are. I usually take multiple reviews into consideration. Sometimes Gamespot tends to review games poorly that I like, or mediocre, while the ones I dislike score higher. I guess try it out and if you like it so be it. Who cares what anyone else thinks. I think I might make a website, and I'll go ahead and give Skyrim GOTY. If I knew how to make a website.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

Anyways, I think you can only get into Dark Souls if you dedicate yourself. If you don't, then I'm sure you'll enjoy casual sh*t like Skyrim.

timmy00

Dear lord you really overrated the game.

Edit- Maybe overrated isn't the right word. I certainly can't agree with those praises though.

Finally played Skyrim, and WOW. The game freezed on me literally the first 10 seconds of the game in the wagon thing, and two times more during the execution part. So far it's nothing special. Just a boring OMG BIG world. The combat is god-awful, and the game isn't fun at all. I REEEALLY hope it gets better, because so far after completing High Hrogthar I still haven't seen much improvement.Oil_rope_bombs

Finally played Skyrim, and WOW. The game freezed on me literally the first 10 seconds of the game in the wagon thing, and two times more during the execution part. So far it's nothing special. Just a boring OMG BIG world. The combat is god-awful, and the game isn't fun at all. I REEEALLY hope it gets better, because so far after completing High Hrogthar I still haven't seen much improvement.Oil_rope_bombs

Dark Souls has the ultimate advantage....lock on targeting....good lord the combat in Skyrim is totally doody. But I'm loving both games but DS gets the edge for having combat that's worth a darn. Bread_or_Decide

Dark Souls=Game of the month. Runner up=Skyrim. lol.

It's kinda not fair to compare them since Skyrim isn't really a "game". It's more like a virtual tour of cliche, boring & repetitive snowy landscape. And the "combat" is a matter of who has the best stats. Nothing else really. I have more fun going to the store.

What I see going to the store=

What I see in Skyrim. Yeeeeeaaayy

And when I go to the store it's always hobos everywhere that you have to avoid. Way more fun than having higher stats than some s***** little spider.

Demon's Souls>Dark Souls>Going to the store>Skyrim

Dark souls focuses on a very narrow style of gameplay and content, and does so very well with what it has. I thought the difficulty stemmed mainly from cheapness. I really hated the lack of a clear story, and bare bones npc interaction. The world didn't feel real or alive at all, and the atmosphere fell flat because of this. I see people boasting about it's 60 hour campaign. Well, most of that I can say from experience is getting from point A to B, power leveling, and fighting the same enemies endlessly until the final boss fight, which had an incredibly dissapointing end. The multiplayer had potential, but the devs butchered the concept with all of the restrictions.

Skyrim has a much larger scope and appeal, much more content, better advertising, bigger fanbase, and a larger world. Of course more people are going to like it. I haven't beat skyrim yet, and I'm already 63 hours in--more than it took me to beat dark souls. I've enjoyed the hell out of it, which is much more than I can say for dark souls.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]I think next Fallout/ES should be in third or first person, and not both. If they're making it in first person, make it so sword fights don't feel like 2 sticks rubbing on each other and you're fighting in space without gravity. If they're going for third person, for god sake make animations look good... Why RDR has such great animations for an open word game and Skyrim is like playing a game on ps2?? Its like Bethesda don't give a rat or wut? Last time i checked, combat is pretty important in a game that is combat heavy (DkS did it right, no first person and only third).6_Dead_360s

They're still using gamebryo, which has been around for at least a decade. They could vastly improve realism by scrapping it, but they're not willing to invest the time or money it seems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7trmEmI5Js

Skyrim is the most overrated game this gen. Every aspect of it is mediocre.

Peredith

Demon's Souls>Dark Souls>Going to the store>Skyrim

themajormayor

:lol: you got me on this one.

Still waiting on a PC version of Dark Souls...

Dark Souls is better than Skyrim.

Skyrim still not making me give it anything higher than 7.0. I just closed the game after having to walk miles for the billionth time.Oil_rope_bombs

Both games are hopelessly boring. Both games have a bad (or in DS case, non existent) story and no character development of any remote kind. In both games, I found it impossible to give a flying damn about the game world or anyone in it. If you don't care about the world or anyone in it, why bother fighting for it? WRPGs need more character development, period. I really hope the Witcher 2 delivers the goods when it hits the 360 this year.RandoIph

Both games are hopelessly boring. Both games have a bad (or in DS case, non existent) story and no character development of any remote kind. In both games, I found it impossible to give a flying damn about the game world or anyone in it. If you don't care about the world or anyone in it, why bother fighting for it? WRPGs need more character development, period. I really hope the Witcher 2 delivers the goods when it hits the 360 this year.RandoIph

:lol: Oh boy...