How does it feel knowing this.........is stronger than all your consoles?

Doesn't bother me one bit. I don't care how powerful any system is.BuryMe

But do you care about which has the best games?

PC has the most AAA and AA games

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

[QUOTE="Riki101"]i do think the tc is over exagerating about consoles having awful fps

but console gamers come on

you all have a pc, how can you post if not? that means alot of your parts are already covered, case, monitor, ram ect

if your telling the tc to make a full system from scratch, then let me post this to see the REAL price of console gaming

ps3 500
HDTV 1000
games +20
other accesories (hd cables) 60+

as you can see it is much over 1600 dollars for console gaming,

pc games are 20 bucks ceahper, it adds up, and by the year end if you compare pc vs console, the pc gamer can save up to 200-300 dollars in terms of buying games, and pc gamers will spend that in a video card once every 2-3 years,


i really think consoles are more expensive if you want the full experience vs pc full experienceRiki101

agreed

most 360 games run 600p and some 720p all with 30fps

PC's run at way higher res with double the frames

PC's don't require that much maintence if your not a nub, and whats so bad about putting settings on high? It takes 2 seconds and will gave you much better graphics than any console can do

Painballz

Again though; there's the kicker. It isn't much better. And i say this as an owner of a gaming PC; if you dont believe me, see "Crysis RULES!" thread, or even the thread on this very page from earlier where i told the guy he'd be better off buying orange box on his PC if it will run it nicely enough.

Unlike you, i also own consoles too however. So i have the benefit of being able to read "the PC will have graphics WAY better than any console out there" while knowing "that's nonsense."

I'll say quite happily that there is no noticeable difference in graphical quality between PS3 and PC versions of Unreal Tournament 3. Doom 3 looked nicer on PCs than on the XBox, but hardly by any great margin, and the tech which was out when that game hit stores was waaaay beyond the stuff in the 'box.

PCs are better than consoles in graphics. Everyone knows that. I dont know who you're trying to convince. Trying to tell us they're MILES ahead of consoles wont work though, as they're not.

(with the exception of crysis... crysis rules :P)

most 360 games run 600p and some 720p all with 30fps

PC's run at way higher res with double the frames

Painballz

Halo 3... Call of Duty 4... er... um... er?

Most games? Most? As in, the majority? :?

[QUOTE="Riki101"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

[QUOTE="Riki101"]i do think the tc is over exagerating about consoles having awful fps

but console gamers come on

you all have a pc, how can you post if not? that means alot of your parts are already covered, case, monitor, ram ect

if your telling the tc to make a full system from scratch, then let me post this to see the REAL price of console gaming

ps3 500
HDTV 1000
games +20
other accesories (hd cables) 60+

as you can see it is much over 1600 dollars for console gaming,

pc games are 20 bucks ceahper, it adds up, and by the year end if you compare pc vs console, the pc gamer can save up to 200-300 dollars in terms of buying games, and pc gamers will spend that in a video card once every 2-3 years,


i really think consoles are more expensive if you want the full experience vs pc full experiencePainballz

agreed

most 360 games run 600p and some 720p all with 30fps

PC's run at way higher res with double the frames

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

PC's don't require that much maintence if your not a nub, and whats so bad about putting settings on high? It takes 2 seconds and will gave you much better graphics than any console can do

Ninja-Hippo

Again though; there's the kicker. It isn't much better. And i say this as an owner of a gaming PC; if you dont believe me, see "Crysis RULES!" thread, or even the thread on this very page from earlier where i told the guy he'd be better off buying orange box on his PC if it will run it nicely enough.

Unlike you, i also own consoles too however. So i have the benefit of being able to read "the PC will have graphics WAY better than any console out there" while knowing "that's nonsense."

I'll say quite happily that there is no noticeable difference in graphical quality between PS3 and PC versions of Unreal Tournament 3. Doom 3 looked nicer on PCs than on the XBox, but hardly by any great margin, and the tech which was out when that game hit stores was waaaay beyond the stuff in the 'box.

PCs are better than consoles in graphics. Everyone knows that. I dont know who you're trying to convince. Trying to tell us they're MILES ahead of consoles wont work though, as they're not.

(with the exception of crysis... crysis rules :P)

UT3 on PC was a PS3 port.

Epic has pretty much left PC, but its not a big loss to PC gamers

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

most 360 games run 600p and some 720p all with 30fps

PC's run at way higher res with double the frames

Ninja-Hippo

Halo 3... Call of Duty 4... er... um... er?

Most games? Most? As in, the majority? :?

PC's don't require that much maintence if your not a nub, and whats so bad about putting settings on high? It takes 2 seconds and will gave you much better graphics than any console can doPainballz

And no, you can't just throw the settings on high. Not all of us have $450 graphics cards. An 8800 GT will not play Crysis on high at a solid 30fps; you have to experiment to find out which settings have to be turned down to medium. And games are only going to get more demanding, not less, so it's not like that's going to go away.

Lastly, you don't seem to be grasping what we enjoy. It's not "2 seconds" of messing with settings, it's ZERO seconds. Nothing. You don't have to think about it at all. Which is exactly what I want. No configuring resolution or graphics options. No looking for drivers to cure weird glitches. No googling to figure out why the game gets stuck at a certain point (someone needs to tell Crytek to fire their game script developers; I'm sick of having to use devmode just to unstick the objectives script). NOTHING. No effort whatsoever. Is any of this getting through to you?

[QUOTE="Painballz"]PC's don't require that much maintence if your not a nub, and whats so bad about putting settings on high? It takes 2 seconds and will gave you much better graphics than any console can dolowe0

And no, you can't just throw the settings on high. Not all of us have $450 graphics cards. An 8800 GT will not play Crysis on high at a solid 30fps; you have to experiment to find out which settings have to be turned down to medium. And games are only going to get more demanding, not less, so it's not like that's going to go away.

Lastly, you don't seem to be grasping what we enjoy. It's not "2 seconds" of messing with settings, it's ZERO seconds. Nothing. You don't have to think about it at all. Which is exactly what I want. No configuring resolution or graphics options. No looking for drivers to cure weird glitches. No googling to figure out why the game gets stuck at a certain point (someone needs to tell Crytek to fire their game script developers; I'm sick of having to use devmode just to unstick the objectives script). NOTHING. No effort whatsoever. Is any of this getting through to you?

UT3 on PC was a PS3 port.

Epic has pretty much left PC, but its not a big loss to PC gamers

Painballz

So you're ignoring the rest of that large post and just picking up on that, huh? :| Despite the fact that there are many more examples of games not looking significantly better on the PC. In fact; when was the last time any game came out on the 360 and PC, and the review pointed out "WOWSERS this game looks so much better on the PC!"

? :|

[QUOTE="Painballz"]PC's don't require that much maintence if your not a nub, and whats so bad about putting settings on high? It takes 2 seconds and will gave you much better graphics than any console can dolowe0

And no, you can't just throw the settings on high. Not all of us have $450 graphics cards. An 8800 GT will not play Crysis on high at a solid 30fps; you have to experiment to find out which settings have to be turned down to medium. And games are only going to get more demanding, not less, so it's not like that's going to go away.

Lastly, you don't seem to be grasping what we enjoy. It's not "2 seconds" of messing with settings, it's ZERO seconds. Nothing. You don't have to think about it at all. Which is exactly what I want. No configuring resolution or graphics options. No looking for drivers to cure weird glitches. No googling to figure out why the game gets stuck at a certain point (someone needs to tell Crytek to fire their game script developers; I'm sick of having to use devmode just to unstick the objectives script). NOTHING. No effort whatsoever. Is any of this getting through to you?

'Funny how you bring Crysis into this, when 360 runs COD 4 with a mix of Med-high settings at 600p

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

most 360 games run 600p and some 720p all with 30fps

PC's run at way higher res with double the frames

Riki101

Halo 3... Call of Duty 4... er... um... er?

Most games? Most? As in, the majority? :?

You're replying with a completely irrelevent point. He said most game run at 600p. In fact, i'm not aware of any that run that low. Halo 3 is at least 640. I can think of two which run at less than 720p - and even if there are more, the fact is that these are in the tiny minority of games, not "most of them" at all.

'Funny how you bring Crysis into this, when 360 runs COD 4 with a mix of Med-high settings at 600p

Painballz

60fps at 640p looks just fine to me. The PC version has better lighting. That's all i noticed. :| Again; really proving the point that PCs are annihilating those console owners here. :|

[QUOTE="Riki101"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

PC's run at way higher res with double the frames

Ninja-Hippo

Halo 3... Call of Duty 4... er... um... er?

Most games? Most? As in, the majority? :?

Most 360 games run with 30 fps
the most impressive looking games are downscaled, yeah..... i wonder why,, prolly to get frame rate higher

You're replying with a completely irrelevent point. He said most game run at 600p. In fact, i'm not aware of any that run that low. Halo 3 is at least 640. I can think of two which run at less than 720p - and even if there are more, the fact is that these are in the tiny minority of games, not "most of them" at all.

most 360 games run 600p and some 720p all with 30fps

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

'Funny how you bring Crysis into this, when 360 runs COD 4 with a mix of Med-high settings at 600p

Ninja-Hippo

60fps at 640p looks just fine to me. The PC version has better lighting. That's all i noticed. :| Again; really proving the point that PCs are annihilating those console owners here. :|

Have you seen it in motion?

'Funny how you bring Crysis into this, when 360 runs COD 4 with a mix of Med-high settings at 600pPainballz

And you still haven't answered my question: what makes CoD 4 (a game that you trashed as being CoD 2 with new skins) more fun at PC resolutions than at 600p? I have a clear answer for why I enjoy it more on my console - I can play it against my friends, none of whom have gaming PCs but all of whom know how to pick up a controller (and drink every frickin' beer in my fridge while they're at it).

[QUOTE="Painballz"]'Funny how you bring Crysis into this, when 360 runs COD 4 with a mix of Med-high settings at 600plowe0

And you still haven't answered my question: what makes CoD 4 (a game that you trashed as being CoD 2 with new skins) more fun at PC resolutions than at 600p? I have a clear answer for why I enjoy it more on my console - I can play it against my friends, none of whom have gaming PCs but all of whom know how to pick up a controller (and drink every frickin' beer in my fridge while they're at it).

PC COD4

Has custom maps (hundreds, while you wait for your 3 coming sometime this spring)

Custom game modes

Higher player count (60)

and more

You may want to get your eyes checked

Pics from my PC

most 360 games run 600p and some 720p all with 30fps

Painballz

That is hands-down, flat-out, no-debate incorrect. COD4 is 60fps. You're wrong right there. If all 360 games ran at 600p, every review would mention noticeable aliasing. They dont however; the only example i can think of is halo 3.

Please buy into this; constant exaggerations dont help your arguements.

PC COD4

Has custom maps (hundreds, while you wait for your 3 coming sometime this spring)

Custom game modes

Higher player count (60)

and more

Painballz

It all comes down to personal appraisal of value - the stuff I listed is more important to me than the stuff you're listing.

Oh, and I need to grab your "how gay is tevlin" screenshot for the next thread where people complain that Xbox Live is nothing but little kids calling everyone gay Here's proof that it's not the technology, but the halfwits it gets handed to.

You may want to get your eyes checked

Pics from my PC

Painballz

This could be done on consoles. I don't know why they couldn't make it at least 720p. Great pics.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]PC COD4

Has custom maps (hundreds, while you wait for your 3 coming sometime this spring)

Custom game modes

Higher player count (60)

and more

lowe0

It all comes down to personal appraisal of value - the stuff I listed is more important to me than the stuff you're listing.

1st of all why did you make a gaming rig. (I doubt you have a such a rig anyways)

Haven't you heard of Fragboxes and lan parties?

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

You may want to get your eyes checked

Pics from my PC

Albanian_Killa

This could be done on consoles. I don't know why they couldn't make it at least 720p. Great pics.

This is 1680x1050, and no it couldn't be done on consoles with a playable framerate

Have you seen it in motion?

Painballz

Yes i played it regularly. I've beaten it on veteran including the crazy time-test at the end. I stopped playing about a month ago and went back to my usual counter strike/rainbow six/halo addictions.

My point is simple: everyone knows PC graphics are better. You're preaching to the choir. To overcome that, you're trying to argue that PC graphics way, WAY better. And sorry, but they're just not. 90% of the time they'll be sharper due to the higher resolutions, with some nice additions here and there. Nothing that jumps out at you. Nothing jaw-droppingly different.

So please, stop acting like PC graphics blow consoles away. They're better, but not leagues better.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Have you seen it in motion?

Ninja-Hippo

LOOKS MILES AHEAD OF ANY CONSOLE GAME

Yes i played it regularly. I've beaten it on veteran including the crazy time-test at the end. I stopped playing about a month ago and went back to my usual counter strike/rainbow six/halo addictions.

My point is simple: everyone knows PC graphics are better. You're preaching to the choir. To overcome that, you're trying to argue that PC graphics way, WAY better. And sorry, but they're just not. 90% of the time they'll be sharper due to the higher resolutions, with some nice additions here and there. Nothing that jumps out at you. Nothing jaw-droppingly different.

So please, stop acting like PC graphics blow consoles away. They're better, but not leagues better.

Have you heard of Project Offset?

Its a PC exclusive now, since Intel bought them

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="expanded"]512mb.. that wouldn't be amazing in 5 months.. its still a good deal though..expanded

:roll: What are you talking about.. I have yet to see any game being released in the next 2 years rivaling Crysis in visuals for the PC. And the 8800 GT plays the game quite well.

From what we have seen no game is even coming remotely close to the visuals or demands of Crysis in the next 2years.. The 8800 GT runs it quite well, and the 512mb is not a bottle neck for it in that game... It will be fine.

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1st of all why did you make a gaming rig. (I doubt you have a such a rig anyways)

Haven't you heard of Fragboxes and lan parties?

Painballz

And no, I'm not going to a LAN party. What would be the point? NONE OF MY FRIENDS HAVE GAMING PCS. If I wanted to play against random people, I could do that online, and save my precious social time for people I actually know.

Have you heard of Project Offset?

Its a PC exclusive now, since Intel bought them

Painballz

Again; see Crysis. I said that already. Why you think you can dismiss entire points by naming one or two exceptions is beyond me. :?

PC graphics do not annihilate console graphics. They are better. They always have been. But they are better in generally minor ways. That is a fact. And i say this as someone who tells people that PCs are better than consoles for crying out loud.

I simply dont understand why you're exaggerating how godly PCs are.

[QUOTE="Painballz"][

1st of all why did you make a gaming rig. (I doubt you have a such a rig anyways)

Haven't you heard of Fragboxes and lan parties?

lowe0

And no, I'm not going to a LAN party. What would be the point? NONE OF MY FRIENDS HAVE GAMING PCS. If I wanted to play against random people, I could do that online, and save my precious social time for people I actually know.

Explain, to my why you built a gaming rig, which I doubt exist

Price $180 (8800 GT)

Will run any game maxed in REAL HD

Painballz

Meh ,i really dont care because if it was just that against a whole Ps3,Let alone a 360 it would get spanked

How does it Feel that i have the 512Mb version of that card in SLi

Like any graphics card that one will also be outdated in two years guarenteeblind59

Funny thing is, consoles were outdated before they came out

Explain, to my why you built a gaming rig, which I doubt exist

Painballz

He already posted screens. :|

I imagine he did because, like me, he had the money and likes playing games. Unlike you, he has the benefit of playing games on numerous systems so he can see the benefits of all of them. Only having one, you massively exaggerate both the inadequacies of the machines you dont own (see "all 360 games run 600p 30fps comment) as well as the positives of your own (see PC graphics are godlike compared to consoles).

Simple.

Explain, to my why you built a gaming rig, which I doubt exist

Painballz

And I already posted proof that said machine exists; quit accusing me of lying. It reflects poorly on you.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Explain, to my why you built a gaming rig, which I doubt exist

Ninja-Hippo

He already posted screens. :|

I imagine he did because, like me, he had the money and likes playing games. Unlike you, he has the benefit of playing games on numerous systems so he can see the benefits of all of them. Only having one, you massively exaggerate both the inadequacies of the machines you dont own (see "all 360 games run 600p 30fps comment) as well as the positives of your own (see PC graphics are godlike compared to consoles).

Simple.

Project Offset is God

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Explain, to my why you built a gaming rig, which I doubt exist

Ninja-Hippo

He already posted screens. :|

I imagine he did because, like me, he had the money and likes playing games. Unlike you, he has the benefit of playing games on numerous systems so he can see the benefits of all of them. Only having one, you massively exaggerate both the inadequacies of the machines you dont own (see "all 360 games run 600p 30fps comment) as well as the positives of your own (see PC graphics are godlike compared to consoles).

Simple.

Project Offset is God

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

Explain, to my why you built a gaming rig, which I doubt exist

Painballz

He already posted screens. :|

I imagine he did because, like me, he had the money and likes playing games. Unlike you, he has the benefit of playing games on numerous systems so he can see the benefits of all of them. Only having one, you massively exaggerate both the inadequacies of the machines you dont own (see "all 360 games run 600p 30fps comment) as well as the positives of your own (see PC graphics are godlike compared to consoles).

Simple.

Project Offset is God

Crysis is god and Project offset is goddess

Project Offset is God

Painballz

If only there were 15 of those releasing this year. :|

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Project Offset is God

Ninja-Hippo

If only there were 15 of those releasing this year. :|

what?

Price $180 (8800 GT)

Will run any game maxed in REAL HD

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Xbox 360 runs an X1900 2 years old and incredibly weak by today's standards

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PS3 runs a 7800 GTX also 2 years old and incredibly weak by today's standards

Painballz

Makes me feel good cos i have 2 8800 GT's

but still, nothing can play crysis at a good rate.

Consoles are still good, but it wont be long until PC's really start to show them up, most likely when true next gen cards are out like G100

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Price $180 (8800 GT)

Will run any game maxed in REAL HD

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Xbox 360 runs an X1900 2 years old and incredibly weak by today's standards

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PS3 runs a 7800 GTX also 2 years old and incredibly weak by today's standards

perfect_chao

Makes me feel good cos i have 2 8800 GT's

but still, nothing can play crysis at a good rate.

Consoles are still good, but it wont be long until PC's really start to show them up, most likely when true next gen cards are out like G100

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXlR-Sjwg4w

You sure?