How many multi-plats were held back this generation because of 360's DVD format?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Serious question,

Does anyone here know the difference between uncompressed audio and video compared to compressed audio and video?

arkephonic

That was the point.

Can anyone here argue that compressed audio and video is better than uncompressed audio and video?

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Serious question,

Does anyone here know the difference between uncompressed audio and video compared to compressed audio and video?

ShadowMoses900

I don't know, who cares? HD is on both systems, only difference is that Blu Ray holds more memory. But it makes audio better, I noticed this, and I'm not being fanboy it is true. I also notice many PS3 games load faster than the 360 versions, and I play both regularly but I only buy PS3 versions.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Serious question,

Does anyone here know the difference between uncompressed audio and video compared to compressed audio and video?

waltefmoney

No, explain it to me with examples, pie charts, quotes, and complex terms.

If you don't you're incompetent.

30 seconds left.

Isn't Skyrim a small game in size? It is on only 1 disc for 360, and the PC install is only like 6 gigs.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Serious question,

Does anyone here know the difference between uncompressed audio and video compared to compressed audio and video?

delta3074

I don't know, who cares? HD is on both systems, only difference is that Blu Ray holds more memory. But it makes audio better, I noticed this, and I'm not being fanboy it is true. I also notice many PS3 games load faster than the 360 versions, and I play both regularly but I only buy PS3 versions.

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know, who cares? HD is on both systems, only difference is that Blu Ray holds more memory. But it makes audio better, I noticed this, and I'm not being fanboy it is true. I also notice many PS3 games load faster than the 360 versions, and I play both regularly but I only buy PS3 versions.

ShadowMoses900

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

I got the 360 and PC version of Skyrim. I heard that the PS3 version lags after you reach a 6mb sized save, and the save file increases the longer you play the game because of the fact that every item, NPC and other element in the game is saved based on your interactions with it. The RAM in the PS3 couldn't handle it.

They fixed it? I wanted to get the PS3 version, but I heard it was broken, going as low as 5 frames per second in some areas after playing for an average of 50 hours.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know, who cares? HD is on both systems, only difference is that Blu Ray holds more memory. But it makes audio better, I noticed this, and I'm not being fanboy it is true. I also notice many PS3 games load faster than the 360 versions, and I play both regularly but I only buy PS3 versions.

ShadowMoses900

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]thats because Blu-ray has enough space to hold 7.1 lossless audio, this is one area the PS3 definitly has the advantage in is audio and the one area where skyrim on the Ps3 has an advantage over the 360 version, i believe skyrim on the Ps3 uses 7.1 lossless audio.arkephonic

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

I got the 360 and PC version of Skyrim. I heard that the PS3 version lags after you reach a 6mb sized save, and the save file increases the longer you play the game because of the fact that every item, NPC and other element in the game is saved based on your interactions with it. The RAM in the PS3 couldn't handle it.

They fixed it? I wanted to get the PS3 version, but I heard it was broken, going as low as 5 frames per second in some areas after playing for an average of 50 hours.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]thats because Blu-ray has enough space to hold 7.1 lossless audio, this is one area the PS3 definitly has the advantage in is audio and the one area where skyrim on the Ps3 has an advantage over the 360 version, i believe skyrim on the Ps3 uses 7.1 lossless audio.delta3074

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

How did they fix it? I heard rumors that they removed certain types of interactivity in the game, like having certain things not be remembered by the game engine. Does the game forget about certain corpses or objects moved or killed throughout the game now? I haven't played it since launch, so I wouldn't know. I played it back in November, and haven't touched it since because I have a backlog of like 100 games I want to play that are all shorter than Skyrim, and I don't want to get caught up in a 100 plus hour game.

None. If they were these PS3 exclusives would be far and away better games and as we can see, they are not. :?

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Serious question,

Does anyone here know the difference between uncompressed audio and video compared to compressed audio and video?

waltefmoney

No, explain it to me with examples, pie charts, quotes, and complex terms.

If you don't you're incompetent.

30 seconds left.

I would explain it but then you would have to buy my book. It's an exciting novel about coming of age in the time of the Playstation and 360, and the cultural conflicts between the two in the future, the main charecter is upset about his 360 and is told he cannot leave his planet. Well one day he is outside and a ship crashes and inside an alein gives him a Playstation with Uncharted, he plays it and is amazed!

But he has to keep it a secret as on his planet playstation is against their religion, and he is forced to play this thing called Gears of War, on this outdated format called DVD. He soon get's caught and has to flee as the Mayor wantsto killl him, but a hot PS3 alein chick saves his life and teaches him the best way of gaming. And he trains so he can one day defeat his true enemy; The Mayor, who has multiple personalities.

It's a romance novel, full of love and some hot scenes. It's got action and everything. You find out about audio on Chapter 47. Yes it's that long, it's right after the main charecter realises he the Mayor is undestructable because he has Kinect and Playstation cannot do such a task as motion control without controls. It'sa best seller, that's how I pay for my parties.

It's the same number as the amount of women you'll ever sleep with

[spoiler] Zero [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

arkephonic

How did they fix it? I heard rumors that they removed certain types of interactivity in the game, like having certain things not be remembered by the game engine. Does the game forget about certain corpses or objects moved or killed throughout the game now? I haven't played it since launch, so I wouldn't know. I played it back in November, and haven't touched it since because I have a backlog of like 100 games I want to play that are all shorter than Skyrim, and I don't want to get caught up in a 100 plus hour game.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

No, explain it to me with examples, pie charts, quotes, and complex terms.

If you don't you're incompetent.

ShadowMoses900

30 seconds left.

I would explain it but then you would have to buy my book. It's an exciting novel about coming of age in the time of the Playstation and 360, and the cultural conflicts between the two in the future, the main charecter is upset about his 360 and is told he cannot leave his planet. Well one day he is outside and a ship crashes and inside an alein gives him a Playstation with Uncharted, he plays it and is amazed!

But he has to keep it a secret as on his planet playstation is against their religion, and he is forced to play this thing called Gears of War, on this outdated format called DVD. He soon get's caught and has to flee as the Mayor wantsto killl him, but a hot PS3 alein chick saves his life and teaches him the best way of gaming. And he trains so he can one day defeat his true enemy; The Mayor, who has multiple personalities.

It's a romance novel, full of love and some hot scenes. It's got action and everything. You find out about audio on Chapter 47. Yes it's that long, it's right after the main charecter realises he the Mayor is undestructable because he has Kinect and Playstation cannot do such a task as motion control without controls. It'sa best seller, that's how I pay for my parties.

I would explain it but then you would have to buy my book. It's an exciting novel about coming of age in the time of the Playstation and 360, and the cultural conflicts between the two in the future, the main charecter is upset about his 360 and is told he cannot leave his planet. Well one day he is outside and a ship crashes and inside an alein gives him a Playstation with Uncharted, he plays it and is amazed!

But he has to keep it a secret as on his planet playstation is against their religion, and he is forced to play this thing called Gears of War, on this outdated format called DVD. He soon get's caught and has to flee as the Mayor wantsto killl him, but a hot PS3 alein chick saves his life and teaches him the best way of gaming. And he trains so he can one day defeat his true enemy; The Mayor, who has multiple personalities.

It's a romance novel, full of love and some hot scenes. It's got action and everything. You find out about audio on Chapter 47. Yes it's that long, it's right after the main charecter realises he the Mayor is undestructable because he has Kinect and Playstation cannot do such a task as motion control without controls. It'sa best seller, that's how I pay for my parties.

ShadowMoses900

Where can I find this gourmet of brain food?

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i know the lag got fixed with the last update,1.4 i knew it would and i told everyone bethesda would fix it but nobody believed me, even the games industry didn't think it would ever be fixed,loldelta3074

How did they fix it? I heard rumors that they removed certain types of interactivity in the game, like having certain things not be remembered by the game engine. Does the game forget about certain corpses or objects moved or killed throughout the game now? I haven't played it since launch, so I wouldn't know. I played it back in November, and haven't touched it since because I have a backlog of like 100 games I want to play that are all shorter than Skyrim, and I don't want to get caught up in a 100 plus hour game.

And it took them this long to figure that out and patch it? I knew that was the problem day 1.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]thats because Blu-ray has enough space to hold 7.1 lossless audio, this is one area the PS3 definitly has the advantage in is audio and the one area where skyrim on the Ps3 has an advantage over the 360 version, i believe skyrim on the Ps3 uses 7.1 lossless audio.arkephonic

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

I got the 360 and PC version of Skyrim. I heard that the PS3 version lags after you reach a 6mb sized save, and the save file increases the longer you play the game because of the fact that every item, NPC and other element in the game is saved based on your interactions with it. The RAM in the PS3 couldn't handle it.

They fixed it? I wanted to get the PS3 version, but I heard it was broken, going as low as 5 frames per second in some areas after playing for an average of 50 hours.

I never had massive lag, not everyone on PS3 had lag either. Some people did and some people did not, but here on SW everyone over blows things and makes it sound like dooms day. It was your fault for listening tofanboyson the internet, instead of normal gamers. And even the people that did get lag, none of them said that the game was unplayable or broken, it wasn't as bad as people were trying to make it sound.

The only lag I got was when I would fast travel somewhere and it would drop framerate a little bit for a minute, after that it was fine. And I had a pretty big save file with alot of hours (140), but it varied from person to person. But yes it's perfectly fine on PS3 now and is identicle with 360, however if your into pointless invisible pixel counting than keep the 360 vesion. But only hardcore fanboys care about that crap.

Although the 360 version will probably get DLC a month early.

It's the same number as the amount of women you'll ever sleep with

Zero Slashless

That was pretty funny and clever, it was mean, but it made me laugh.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Blu Ray has alot of advantages, and I played both versions of Skyrim, didn't see a huge advantage on the 360 like Lems said. The lag got fixed in a recent update.

Don't start me up again.

ShadowMoses900

I got the 360 and PC version of Skyrim. I heard that the PS3 version lags after you reach a 6mb sized save, and the save file increases the longer you play the game because of the fact that every item, NPC and other element in the game is saved based on your interactions with it. The RAM in the PS3 couldn't handle it.

They fixed it? I wanted to get the PS3 version, but I heard it was broken, going as low as 5 frames per second in some areas after playing for an average of 50 hours.

I never had massive lag, not everyone on PS3 had lag either. Some people did and some people did not, but here on SW everyone over blows things and makes it sound like dooms day. It was your fault for listening tofanboyson the internet, instead of normal gamers. And even the people that did get lag, none of them said that the game was unplayable or broken, it wasn't as bad as people were trying to make it sound.

The only lag I got was when I would fast travel somewhere and it would drop framerate a little bit for a minute, after that it was fine. And I had a pretty big save file with alot of hours (140), but it varied from person to person. But yes it's perfectly fine on PS3 now and is identicle with 360, however if your into pointless invisible pixel counting than keep the 360 vesion. But only hardcore fanboys care about that crap.

Although the 360 version will probably get DLC a month early.

It was my fault for listening to people state problems with the PS3 version? What bad came out of it? I ended up with the 360 and PC versions, does that mean I got screwed over or something?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I would explain it but then you would have to buy my book. It's an exciting novel about coming of age in the time of the Playstation and 360, and the cultural conflicts between the two in the future, the main charecter is upset about his 360 and is told he cannot leave his planet. Well one day he is outside and a ship crashes and inside an alein gives him a Playstation with Uncharted, he plays it and is amazed!

But he has to keep it a secret as on his planet playstation is against their religion, and he is forced to play this thing called Gears of War, on this outdated format called DVD. He soon get's caught and has to flee as the Mayor wantsto killl him, but a hot PS3 alein chick saves his life and teaches him the best way of gaming. And he trains so he can one day defeat his true enemy; The Mayor, who has multiple personalities.

It's a romance novel, full of love and some hot scenes. It's got action and everything. You find out about audio on Chapter 47. Yes it's that long, it's right after the main charecter realises he the Mayor is undestructable because he has Kinect and Playstation cannot do such a task as motion control without controls. It'sa best seller, that's how I pay for my parties.

waltefmoney

Where can I find this gourmet of brain food?

You have to come to my parties to find out, but I can't invite you sorry. Your what we cool people call "normies", you can become cool if you buy a PS3, and that's the only way.

You have to come to my parties to find out, but I can't invite you sorry. Your what we cool people call "normies", you can become cool if you buy a PS3, and that's the only way.

ShadowMoses900

:(

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I got the 360 and PC version of Skyrim. I heard that the PS3 version lags after you reach a 6mb sized save, and the save file increases the longer you play the game because of the fact that every item, NPC and other element in the game is saved based on your interactions with it. The RAM in the PS3 couldn't handle it.

They fixed it? I wanted to get the PS3 version, but I heard it was broken, going as low as 5 frames per second in some areas after playing for an average of 50 hours.

arkephonic

I never had massive lag, not everyone on PS3 had lag either. Some people did and some people did not, but here on SW everyone over blows things and makes it sound like dooms day. It was your fault for listening tofanboyson the internet, instead of normal gamers. And even the people that did get lag, none of them said that the game was unplayable or broken, it wasn't as bad as people were trying to make it sound.

The only lag I got was when I would fast travel somewhere and it would drop framerate a little bit for a minute, after that it was fine. And I had a pretty big save file with alot of hours (140), but it varied from person to person. But yes it's perfectly fine on PS3 now and is identicle with 360, however if your into pointless invisible pixel counting than keep the 360 vesion. But only hardcore fanboys care about that crap.

Although the 360 version will probably get DLC a month early.

It was my fault for listening to people state problems with the PS3 version? What bad came out of it? I ended up with the 360 and PC versions, does that mean I got screwed over or something?

You misunderstood, if your happy with 360 and PC version then cool, that's not what I as saying. I myself recommended the 360 version to freinds just to be safe, however it is your fault for believing people on SW and the internet in general.

When people said the game was unplayable you never stopped and asked "mabey they are over exaggerating" or "mabey they are 360 fanboys who never played the PS3 version", there were some people who did have lag, but not like how people in SW were freaking out about.

Everything on here is over blown, you can only take things with a grain of salt. Do you think Sony is going out of business? Do you think Xbox really has no games? Do you believe that PC completely destroys console versions? If you do than your niave and it's your fault for beliveing them.

It's alot like whenver a multiplat comes out and Lems go around saying "it's so much better on Xbox" well everyone with a brain knows that isn't true and it's over exaggeration, you can't belive everything you hear on SW, and you shouldn't.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I never had massive lag, not everyone on PS3 had lag either. Some people did and some people did not, but here on SW everyone over blows things and makes it sound like dooms day. It was your fault for listening tofanboyson the internet, instead of normal gamers. And even the people that did get lag, none of them said that the game was unplayable or broken, it wasn't as bad as people were trying to make it sound.

The only lag I got was when I would fast travel somewhere and it would drop framerate a little bit for a minute, after that it was fine. And I had a pretty big save file with alot of hours (140), but it varied from person to person. But yes it's perfectly fine on PS3 now and is identicle with 360, however if your into pointless invisible pixel counting than keep the 360 vesion. But only hardcore fanboys care about that crap.

Although the 360 version will probably get DLC a month early.

ShadowMoses900

It was my fault for listening to people state problems with the PS3 version? What bad came out of it? I ended up with the 360 and PC versions, does that mean I got screwed over or something?

You misunderstood, if your happy with 360 and PC version then cool, that's not what I as saying. I myself recommended the 360 version to freinds just to be safe, however it is your fault for believing people on SW and the internet in general.

When people said the game was unplayable you never stopped and asked "mabey they are over exaggerating" or "mabey they are 360 fanboys who never played the PS3 version", there were some people who did have lag, but not like how people in SW were freaking out about.

Everything on here is over blown, you can only take things with a grain of salt. Do you think Sony is going out of business? Do you think Xbox really has no games? Do you believe that PC completely destroys console versions? If you do than your niave and it's your fault for beliveing them.

It's alot like whenver a multiplat comes out and Lems go around saying "it's so much better on Xbox" well everyone with a brain knows that isn't true and it's over exaggeration, you can't belive everything you hear on SW, and you shouldn't.

Well, my friend's PC does destroy all console versions, that isn't overeggerating. Once you see what a $5,000 PC does with games and mods, it is a pretty big wake up call.

Check this out, he has a rich girlfriend who grew up in wealth, got a job from family and what not, and he told her that she broke his work computer which was kind of a POS. He lied, and she didn't really break it, but he made her feel bad, and she bought him a new computer.

She basically gave him a blank check, and he built a computer online with the absolute best, top of the line piece of hardware for every component inside his computer.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

It was my fault for listening to people state problems with the PS3 version? What bad came out of it? I ended up with the 360 and PC versions, does that mean I got screwed over or something?

arkephonic

You misunderstood, if your happy with 360 and PC version then cool, that's not what I as saying. I myself recommended the 360 version to freinds just to be safe, however it is your fault for believing people on SW and the internet in general.

When people said the game was unplayable you never stopped and asked "mabey they are over exaggerating" or "mabey they are 360 fanboys who never played the PS3 version", there were some people who did have lag, but not like how people in SW were freaking out about.

Everything on here is over blown, you can only take things with a grain of salt. Do you think Sony is going out of business? Do you think Xbox really has no games? Do you believe that PC completely destroys console versions? If you do than your niave and it's your fault for beliveing them.

It's alot like whenver a multiplat comes out and Lems go around saying "it's so much better on Xbox" well everyone with a brain knows that isn't true and it's over exaggeration, you can't belive everything you hear on SW, and you shouldn't.

Well, my friend's PC does destroy all console versions, that isn't overeggerating. Once you see what a $5,000 PC does with games and mods, it is a pretty big wake up call.

Well woopdie doo for your rich friend, I on the other hand have FAR better things to spend my money on. $5000 for a gaming PC is just a waste of money in my book. I couldn't imagine upgrading my PC with that much money or time, it would just be a waste.

i counted and prolly 86% of them but atleast the ps3 version saved them beause of the cell and bluray and made the ps3 versions superior

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You misunderstood, if your happy with 360 and PC version then cool, that's not what I as saying. I myself recommended the 360 version to freinds just to be safe, however it is your fault for believing people on SW and the internet in general.

When people said the game was unplayable you never stopped and asked "mabey they are over exaggerating" or "mabey they are 360 fanboys who never played the PS3 version", there were some people who did have lag, but not like how people in SW were freaking out about.

Everything on here is over blown, you can only take things with a grain of salt. Do you think Sony is going out of business? Do you think Xbox really has no games? Do you believe that PC completely destroys console versions? If you do than your niave and it's your fault for beliveing them.

It's alot like whenver a multiplat comes out and Lems go around saying "it's so much better on Xbox" well everyone with a brain knows that isn't true and it's over exaggeration, you can't belive everything you hear on SW, and you shouldn't.

ShadowMoses900

Well, my friend's PC does destroy all console versions, that isn't overeggerating. Once you see what a $5,000 PC does with games and mods, it is a pretty big wake up call.

Well woopdie doo for your rich friend, I on the other hand have FAR better things to spend my money on. $5000 for a gaming PC is just a waste of money in my book. I couldn't imagine upgrading my PC with that much money or time, it would just be a waste.

I edited my post.

He has a rich girlfriend who grew up in wealth, got a job from family and what not, and he told her that she broke his work computer which was kind of a POS. He lied, and she didn't really break it, but he made her feel bad, and she bought him a new computer.

She basically gave him a blank check, and he built a computer online with the absolute best, top of the line piece of hardware for every component inside his computer.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You misunderstood, if your happy with 360 and PC version then cool, that's not what I as saying. I myself recommended the 360 version to freinds just to be safe, however it is your fault for believing people on SW and the internet in general.

When people said the game was unplayable you never stopped and asked "mabey they are over exaggerating" or "mabey they are 360 fanboys who never played the PS3 version", there were some people who did have lag, but not like how people in SW were freaking out about.

Everything on here is over blown, you can only take things with a grain of salt. Do you think Sony is going out of business? Do you think Xbox really has no games? Do you believe that PC completely destroys console versions? If you do than your niave and it's your fault for beliveing them.

It's alot like whenver a multiplat comes out and Lems go around saying "it's so much better on Xbox" well everyone with a brain knows that isn't true and it's over exaggeration, you can't belive everything you hear on SW, and you shouldn't.

ShadowMoses900

Well, my friend's PC does destroy all console versions, that isn't overeggerating. Once you see what a $5,000 PC does with games and mods, it is a pretty big wake up call.

Well woopdie doo for your rich friend, I on the other hand have FAR better things to spend my money on. $5000 for a gaming PC is just a waste of money in my book. I couldn't imagine upgrading my PC with that much money or time, it would just be a waste.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Well, my friend's PC does destroy all console versions, that isn't overeggerating. Once you see what a $5,000 PC does with games and mods, it is a pretty big wake up call.

jonathant5

Well woopdie doo for your rich friend, I on the other hand have FAR better things to spend my money on. $5000 for a gaming PC is just a waste of money in my book. I couldn't imagine upgrading my PC with that much money or time, it would just be a waste.

Yeah, I would never pay a lot for a gaming PC. I upgrade every 3 or 4 years, and just get a nice one, but not over the top. But like I said, his girlfriend bought it.

All of them.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I would explain it but then you would have to buy my book. It's an exciting novel about coming of age in the time of the Playstation and 360, and the cultural conflicts between the two in the future, the main charecter is upset about his 360 and is told he cannot leave his planet. Well one day he is outside and a ship crashes and inside an alein gives him a Playstation with Uncharted, he plays it and is amazed!

But he has to keep it a secret as on his planet playstation is against their religion, and he is forced to play this thing called Gears of War, on this outdated format called DVD. He soon get's caught and has to flee as the Mayor wantsto killl him, but a hot PS3 alein chick saves his life and teaches him the best way of gaming. And he trains so he can one day defeat his true enemy; The Mayor, who has multiple personalities.

It's a romance novel, full of love and some hot scenes. It's got action and everything. You find out about audio on Chapter 47. Yes it's that long, it's right after the main charecter realises he the Mayor is undestructable because he has Kinect and Playstation cannot do such a task as motion control without controls. It'sa best seller, that's how I pay for my parties.

ShadowMoses900

Where can I find this gourmet of brain food?

You have to come to my parties to find out, but I can't invite you sorry. Your what we cool people call "normies", you can become cool if you buy a PS3, and that's the only way.

I got one and all Uncharted games.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Well, my friend's PC does destroy all console versions, that isn't overeggerating. Once you see what a $5,000 PC does with games and mods, it is a pretty big wake up call.

arkephonic

Well woopdie doo for your rich friend, I on the other hand have FAR better things to spend my money on. $5000 for a gaming PC is just a waste of money in my book. I couldn't imagine upgrading my PC with that much money or time, it would just be a waste.

I edited my post.

He has a rich girlfriend who grew up in wealth, got a job from family and what not, and he told her that she broke his work computer which was kind of a POS. He lied, and she didn't really break it, but he made her feel bad, and she bought him a new computer.

She basically gave him a blank check, and he built a computer online with the absolute best, top of the line piece of hardware for every component inside his computer.

No offense, but your friend sounds like a total loser who likes to take advantage of people (his GF in this case). I would never be friends with someone like that.

The only real advantage I've seen with PS3's Blu-Ray is the RDR GOTY Edition fitting on one disc, whereas the 360 version has multiple discs for Undead Nightmare and Multiplayer. princeofshapeir

I was not aware of that, I thought the MP on RDR was on the disc though on 360? My friend has it on Xbox and he can access MP from the same disc. As far as performance though and graphics, there isn't much of a difference between the two versions like people like to believe. I've played both versions, they are almost identicle despite what Lems like to believe.

Still, I was not aware that the MP was on a sepreate disc on Xbox. I have the Unead Nightmare from PSN download, so I don't know how it works on DVD.

None...how many PC games have been released in blu-ray format? Somehow PC games are released on DVD and look better than anything on the PS3 with it's fancy Blu-ray drive. So the logic that DVD has held back stuff this gen is asinine.

Anyway most of the PS3's BDs are taken up with loss-less audio, and redundant copies of the game so that the Blu-ray can actually play the game at what people consider normal speed, since the drive speed is so slow.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well woopdie doo for your rich friend, I on the other hand have FAR better things to spend my money on. $5000 for a gaming PC is just a waste of money in my book. I couldn't imagine upgrading my PC with that much money or time, it would just be a waste.

ShadowMoses900

I edited my post.

He has a rich girlfriend who grew up in wealth, got a job from family and what not, and he told her that she broke his work computer which was kind of a POS. He lied, and she didn't really break it, but he made her feel bad, and she bought him a new computer.

She basically gave him a blank check, and he built a computer online with the absolute best, top of the line piece of hardware for every component inside his computer.

No offense, but your friend sounds like a total loser who likes to take advantage of people (his GF in this case). I would never be friends with someone like that.

I've been friends with the guy for like 13 years, so I'm not gonna not be friends with him just because he hustled a master PC. What he does with his girlfriend isn't really any of my business anyways. He's never done anything to wrong me before, and that's all that matters to me.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I edited my post.

He has a rich girlfriend who grew up in wealth, got a job from family and what not, and he told her that she broke his work computer which was kind of a POS. He lied, and she didn't really break it, but he made her feel bad, and she bought him a new computer.

She basically gave him a blank check, and he built a computer online with the absolute best, top of the line piece of hardware for every component inside his computer.

arkephonic

No offense, but your friend sounds like a total loser who likes to take advantage of people (his GF in this case). I would never be friends with someone like that.

I've been friends with the guy for like 13 years, so I'm not gonna not be friends with him just because he hustled a master PC. What he does with his girlfriend isn't really any of my business anyways. He's never done anything to wrong me before, and that's all that matters to me.

Ok that's up to you, I wouldn't let him take advantage of me or anyone else though. But I used to be very cynacil person and I don't like people getting close to me, I don't like referring people as my friends or my GF as someone I love (when I was still seeing her), so I'm not best at judging what others reltaionships are right.

I feel the same way about my famly, I have psychological issues lol. Seroiusly I do.

But I wouldn't like to have a friend that did that.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No offense, but your friend sounds like a total loser who likes to take advantage of people (his GF in this case). I would never be friends with someone like that.

ShadowMoses900

I've been friends with the guy for like 13 years, so I'm not gonna not be friends with him just because he hustled a master PC. What he does with his girlfriend isn't really any of my business anyways. He's never done anything to wrong me before, and that's all that matters to me.

Ok that's up to you, I wouldn't let him take advantage of me or anyone else though. But I used to be very cynacil person and I don't like people getting close to me, I don't like referring people as my friends or my GF as someone I love (when I was still seeing her), so I'm not best at judging what others reltaionships are right.

I feel the same way about my famly, I have psychological issues lol. Seroiusly I do.

But I wouldn't like to have a friend that did that.

Hmm, I couldn't really tell from the way you act on here....

I act a bit different in real life than I do on here. On here, I don't really give many people the time of day or any benefit of the doubt, because I understand that people online hide behind anonymous identities, and especially on here, are mainly trolls and flame baiters just trying to get a reaction out of people. Not that I necessarily have a problem with that or anything, I mean, it might just be a form of entertainment for them, but it is just the reason that I don't really pay people any attention unless they really stand out as a non biased and intelligent person, whereas I will give most people a chance in real life.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I've been friends with the guy for like 13 years, so I'm not gonna not be friends with him just because he hustled a master PC. What he does with his girlfriend isn't really any of my business anyways. He's never done anything to wrong me before, and that's all that matters to me.

arkephonic

Ok that's up to you, I wouldn't let him take advantage of me or anyone else though. But I used to be very cynacil person and I don't like people getting close to me, I don't like referring people as my friends or my GF as someone I love (when I was still seeing her), so I'm not best at judging what others reltaionships are right.

I feel the same way about my famly, I have psychological issues lol. Seroiusly I do.

But I wouldn't like to have a friend that did that.

Hmm, I couldn't really tell from the way you act on here....

I act a bit different in real life than I do on here. On here, I don't really give many people the time of day or any benefit of the doubt, because I understand that people online hide behind anonymous identities, and especially on here, are mainly trolls and flame baiters just trying to get a reaction out of people. Not that I necessarily have a problem with that or anything, I mean, it might just be a form of entertainment for them, but it is just the reason that I don't really pay people any attention unless they really stand out as a non biased and intelligent person, whereas I will give most people a chance in real life.

On here I'm usually joking around in most cases, but some people get upset about it. There is a way to handle each poster, you just have to learn how, no one knows how to handle me though, because you can't lol. I don't directly insult people or anything like that, even when other people do that. I just keep making fun of their system, and some people act like I made fun of their wife or something and go overboard.

Although I will defend my prefrence, last night me and Delta and his plaukless buddy or whatever his name is got into it over Uncharted and Gears. I kept saying I think Uncharted is better and they couldn't handle it and acted like I insulted them personally lol. My opinion never changed and neither did thiers, and I wasn't trying to. But that's the thing, people on here follow me around, it's odd but true.

If I show up there will be a crowd of others behind me either bashing me or praising me, I'm controversial figure lol

no one knows how to handle me though, because you can't lol.

ShadowMoses900

Because you're just SOOOOOO COOL!!!!, right?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

no one knows how to handle me though, because you can't lol.

FashionFreak

Because you're just SOOOOOO COOL!!!!, right?

You can't challenge me, you have to earn the right to. I'm the final boss on here, you have to beat all the other levels and fanboys to get to me. But you can't win, no one has ever beaten me in SW, it's impossinble. There is no princess in this castle, there's a HUNDRED princesses here. But I didn't kidnap them, they came to me of their own free will, because I am cool.

I suggest you start off at stage1-level 1, it's LooseENDS level and he's the boss, don't worry he doesn't have a castle, and he doesn't have a princess, in fact he doesn't have anything. But if you can get past him than you can make progress towards eventually challenging me. Only dangers you have to worry about is dodging his clone attack, he throws a bunch of weak enemies at you disguised as other enemies but their really all the same.

Use the Sword of Logic to defeat him, there you will recieve a flute, use it to warp to "The Land of Playstation and Moses" where you will finally be able to challenge me after beating FinalStar who attacks you with Bad HYPE magic. There are no continues in my world, and no extra lives, all you will see upon entering my land is the bodies of those who came before. I am the Sony Born, it's like Dragon Born but better, I don't use my voice, I use another epic part of my body to attack enemies. You don't want to find out what that is. Trust me.

Zero

For every multiplat that's worse on the 360 there are about 50 on the PS3 that are inferior.

[QUOTE="FashionFreak"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

no one knows how to handle me though, because you can't lol.

ShadowMoses900

Because you're just SOOOOOO COOL!!!!, right?

You can't challenge me, you have to earn the right to. I'm the final boss on here, you have to beat all the other levels and fanboys to get to me. But you can't win, no one has ever beaten me in SW, it's impossinble. There is no princess in this castle, there's a HUNDRED princesses here. But I didn't kidnap them, they came to me of their own free will, because I am cool.

I suggest you start off at stage1-level 1, it's LooseENDS level and he's the boss, don't worry he doesn't have a castle, and he doesn't have a princess, in fact he doesn't have anything. But if you can get past him than you can make progress towards eventually challenging me. Only dangers you have to worry about is dodging his clone attack, he throws a bunch of weak enemies at you disguised as other enemies but their really all the same.

Use the Sword of Logic to defeat him, there you will recieve a flute, use it to warp to "The Land of Playstation and Moses" where you will finally be able to challenge me after beating FinalStar who attacks you with Bad HYPE magic. There are no continues in my world, and no extra lives, all you will see upon entering my land is the bodies of those who came before. I am the Sony Born, it's like Dragon Born but better, I don't use my voice, I use another epic part of my body to attack enemies. You don't want to find out what that is. Trust me.

Lol...

20 pages of people going "zero" wow. Also, zero.

I don't see how the answer could be zero. I mean, how could you possibly prove that no games were held back because of the 360 using DVD?

I know I can prove that games were held back because of it, because countless developers have gone on record saying that their games didn't live up to their full potential because of the 360 and DVD.

The PC comparison doesn't work, because every PC has a harddrive by default, and PCs also don't run into the issue of licensing fees per additional DVD used.

So really, it all comes down to the comments of developers VS the opinions of people on System Wars.

We should make a poll....

Who is more credible? The average forum poster on System Wars or the developers who are making the games?

Plus, I'm not saying that Sony exclusive developers are lying, but I'm sure someone would make the accusation that they're building up blu ray because they exclusively develop for Sony. How do you explain the comments made by people like Dan Houser for Rockstar, or John Carmack for ID? They're multi-plat developers, what motive would they have to lie about such things?

"Overtime, more and more publishers and developers have come out to vindicate Sony's decision in using Blu-ray media as the primary medium for the PlayStation 3. Earlier on, skeptics told Sony that Blu-ray was pointless, that it only drove up the cost of the PS3, and that DVD storage was enough. As time has gone by, those skeptics have been proven wrong time and time again. Dan Houser has made perhaps the most important critique and justification of Sony's decision to use Blu-ray.

Who's Dan Houser? The Co-founder, along with brother Sam, of Rockstar...you know, those Grand Theft Auto guys. Speaking to 1up, Dan Houser states the standard dual-layer DVD simply isn't enough, and that it too became a problem during GTAIV's development. This raises some concern on whether or not the next Grand Theft Auto game will fit on an Xbox 360 disc, because Rockstar's motto has consistently been focused on making each and every new game larger than the last.

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc," Houser told 1up.

The hard drive issue is also another problem Rockstar sees with the Xbox 360, as not every Xbox 360 has a hard drive, which makes it very hard for Rockstar to implement HDD features into the X360 game. Continuing on the subject of limited disc space, Houser states, "the 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about...hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller."

This bit of news brings up two thoughts in my head. 1) It wasn't just the PlayStation 3 that was responsible for the delay, as it seems rather clear that condensing content onto the Xbox 360's disc was a problem for Rockstar. 2) This problem seems all too familiar, as it's affected Nintendo in two generations, with the GameCube, and especially the Nintendo 64. Dozens of developers gave up working on the Nintendo 64 because of how limited the cartridge was, providing a maximum of only 64MB. But unlike the N64, the Xbox 360 has a solution: multi-disc games, which were very common back in the PlayStation days. For example, Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 boasts four DVDs worth of gameplay.

So does this potentially mean more multi-disc games in the future for the Xbox 360? Probably. What it doesn't mean is that Rockstar will release GTAV exclusively for the PS3 next time around, so put your shiny magic balls away."

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2966.html

So before you say, "Why don't they just not worry about space and limiting content, and release games on multiple discs for the 360"?

Well apparently, Microsoft charges publishers a hefty fee per additional disc used.

Fast forward to 2 minutes and 50 seconds into this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qppLjwqkiU

arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

"Overtime, more and more publishers and developers have come out to vindicate Sony's decision in using Blu-ray media as the primary medium for the PlayStation 3. Earlier on, skeptics told Sony that Blu-ray was pointless, that it only drove up the cost of the PS3, and that DVD storage was enough. As time has gone by, those skeptics have been proven wrong time and time again. Dan Houser has made perhaps the most important critique and justification of Sony's decision to use Blu-ray.

Who's Dan Houser? The Co-founder, along with brother Sam, of Rockstar...you know, those Grand Theft Auto guys. Speaking to 1up, Dan Houser states the standard dual-layer DVD simply isn't enough, and that it too became a problem during GTAIV's development. This raises some concern on whether or not the next Grand Theft Auto game will fit on an Xbox 360 disc, because Rockstar's motto has consistently been focused on making each and every new game larger than the last.

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc," Houser told 1up.

The hard drive issue is also another problem Rockstar sees with the Xbox 360, as not every Xbox 360 has a hard drive, which makes it very hard for Rockstar to implement HDD features into the X360 game. Continuing on the subject of limited disc space, Houser states, "the 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about...hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller."

This bit of news brings up two thoughts in my head. 1) It wasn't just the PlayStation 3 that was responsible for the delay, as it seems rather clear that condensing content onto the Xbox 360's disc was a problem for Rockstar. 2) This problem seems all too familiar, as it's affected Nintendo in two generations, with the GameCube, and especially the Nintendo 64. Dozens of developers gave up working on the Nintendo 64 because of how limited the cartridge was, providing a maximum of only 64MB. But unlike the N64, the Xbox 360 has a solution: multi-disc games, which were very common back in the PlayStation days. For example, Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 boasts four DVDs worth of gameplay.

So does this potentially mean more multi-disc games in the future for the Xbox 360? Probably. What it doesn't mean is that Rockstar will release GTAV exclusively for the PS3 next time around, so put your shiny magic balls away."

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2966.html

So before you say, "Why don't they just not worry about space and limiting content, and release games on multiple discs for the 360"?

Well apparently, Microsoft charges publishers a hefty fee per additional disc used.

Fast forward to 2 minutes and 50 seconds into this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qppLjwqkiU

Another48hours

PC comparison doesn't work because they all have harddrives, and developers aren't forced to pay Microsoft extreme licensing fees per additional DVD used on PC games, something that deters developers from making multi-disc games on 360.

A grand total of about zero. KC_Hokie

I don't see how the answer could be zero. I mean, how could you possibly prove that no games were held back because of the 360 using DVD?

I know I can prove that games were held back because of it, because countless developers have gone on record saying that their games didn't live up to their full potential because of the 360 and DVD.

PC comparison doesn't work because they all have harddrives, and developers aren't forced to pay Microsoft extreme licensing fees per additional DVD used on PC games, something that deters developers from making multi-disc games on 360.

So really, it all comes down to the comments of developers VS the opinions of people on System Wars.

We should make a poll....

Who is more credible? The average forum poster on System Wars or the developers who are making the games?

Plus, I'm not saying that Sony exclusive developers are lying, but I'm sure someone would make the accusation that they're building up blu ray because they exclusively develop for Sony. How do you explain the comments made by people like Dan Houser for Rockstar, or John Carmack for ID? They're multi-plat developers, what motive would they have to lie about such things?

arkephonic