How many multi-plats were held back this generation because of 360's DVD format?

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the first unreal destroys any gears of war single player.

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the first unreal's single player, was probably more equivalent to a multiplayer map populated by bots than any of the actual single player games we know and love.

Half life was really the first game that made single player anything beyond a shootout with terrible AI bots in a random world.

No it was gameplay narrative while gears of war is story.

and david jaffe just said games suck now because they arent focused on gameplay instead more a story.

i dont know what a gameplay narrative is... other than, beat 40 practically identical repetitive levels, then hear 10 seconds of story.

and im sure david jaffe would say that... the developer of games in which cars fight each other... if i made a game with such a simplistic stupid concept, i would agree.

Planescape: torment is one of my favorite games of all time, and im pretty sure any other fans would agree... that cars fighting each other, isnt as good as planescape torment.

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the first unreal's single player, was probably more equivalent to a multiplayer map populated by bots than any of the actual single player games we know and love.

Half life was really the first game that made single player anything beyond a shootout with terrible AI bots in a random world.

SauceKing

No it was gameplay narrative while gears of war is story.

and david jaffe just said games suck now because they arent focused on gameplay instead more a story.

i dont know what a gameplay narrative is... other than, beat 40 practically identical repetitive levels, then hear 10 seconds of story.

and im sure david jaffe would say that... the developer of games in which cars fight each other... if i made a game with such a simplistic stupid concept, i would agree.

Planescape: torment is one of my favorite games of all time, and im pretty sure any other fans would agree... that cars fighting each other, isnt as good as planescape torment.

the story is what cool **** u did on that level.

if u start from the beggining of quake 2 u crash into strogg spacestation and u start killing enemys.

half life 1 u take a long train ride with credits then go talk to some people then do experiement **** goes wrong then u finally start killing people.

lol u dont get into the action fast enough DOESNT GET TO THE POINT.

having to go talk to someone in a game like half life 1 really slows down the pace of the gameplay

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no it gives a purpose.... but half life also had puzzles and such, and the soldier AI completely outclassed quake and UT on every level at the time.

early quake and unreal games had pretty low standards because there was no online gameplay. Online gameplay replaced the single player... which is why both franchises eventually rid themselves of single player... because both their single player campaigns offered nothing over the multiplayer experience except worse AI.

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having to go talk to someone in a game like half life 1 really slows down the pace of the gameplay

SauceKing

no it gives a purpose.... but half life also had puzzles and such.

early quake and unreal games had pretty low standards because there was no online gameplay. Online gameplay replaced the single player... which is why both franchises eventually rid themselves of single player... because both their single player campaigns offered nothing over the multiplayer experience except worse AI.

no it makes it unnessasary and FILLER over gameplay

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having to go talk to someone in a game like half life 1 really slows down the pace of the gameplay

SauceKing

no it gives a purpose.... but half life also had puzzles and such.

early quake and unreal games had pretty low standards because there was no online gameplay. Online gameplay replaced the single player... which is why both franchises eventually rid themselves of single player... because both their single player campaigns offered nothing over the multiplayer experience except worse AI.

quake 1/2 has better multiplayer than part 3

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having to go talk to someone in a game like half life 1 really slows down the pace of the gameplay

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no it gives a purpose.... but half life also had puzzles and such.

early quake and unreal games had pretty low standards because there was no online gameplay. Online gameplay replaced the single player... which is why both franchises eventually rid themselves of single player... because both their single player campaigns offered nothing over the multiplayer experience except worse AI.

no it makes it unnessasary and FILLER over gameplay

the multiplayer makes the single player unnecessary? did you just agree with me?

and yes they had the best gameplay... but that gameplay was best appreciated online.

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having to go talk to someone in a game like half life 1 really slows down the pace of the gameplay

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no it gives a purpose.... but half life also had puzzles and such.

early quake and unreal games had pretty low standards because there was no online gameplay. Online gameplay replaced the single player... which is why both franchises eventually rid themselves of single player... because both their single player campaigns offered nothing over the multiplayer experience except worse AI.

quake 1/2 has better multiplayer than part 3

thats just nostalgia talking, Q3 was heads and tails better... as it was actually designed with online as the main component.

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no it gives a purpose.... but half life also had puzzles and such.

early quake and unreal games had pretty low standards because there was no online gameplay. Online gameplay replaced the single player... which is why both franchises eventually rid themselves of single player... because both their single player campaigns offered nothing over the multiplayer experience except worse AI.

SauceKing

no it makes it unnessasary and FILLER over gameplay

the multiplayer makes the single player unnecessary? did you just agree with me?

and yes they had the best gameplay... but that gameplay was best appreciated online.

No you deathmatch on levels from the single player and those levels are more complex and less noobish and more fun to play on than quake 3's maps which were made multiplayer only.

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no it gives a purpose.... but half life also had puzzles and such.

early quake and unreal games had pretty low standards because there was no online gameplay. Online gameplay replaced the single player... which is why both franchises eventually rid themselves of single player... because both their single player campaigns offered nothing over the multiplayer experience except worse AI.

SauceKing

quake 1/2 has better multiplayer than part 3

thats just nostalgia talking, Q3 was heads and tails better... as it was actually designed with online as the main component.

the maps are made for noobs boring

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quake 1/2 has better multiplayer than part 3

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thats just nostalgia talking, Q3 was heads and tails better... as it was actually designed with online as the main component.

the maps are made for noobs boring

by noobs do you mean people that aim better, rather than knowing every hidden nook and cranny for the powerups?

if you cant beat people when they know the powerup locations, that doesnt make them noobs...

All of them. Every last ****ing one was held back. I demand a refund on all multiplats I bought this gen! :x

most new games u couldnt even deathmatch on the levels because they're too **** scripted.

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thats just nostalgia talking, Q3 was heads and tails better... as it was actually designed with online as the main component.

SauceKing

the maps are made for noobs boring

by noobs do you mean people that aim better, rather than knowing every hidden nook and cranny for the powerups?

if you cant beat people when they know the powerup locations, that doesnt make them noobs...

the maps are made so u cant get stuck on stuff and die as easily moving around the level they're for people who suck at movement skill.

platforming skill in fps was killed off.

Now let's compare quake 2's first level outer base which can be used for online multiplayer to quake 3's first level arena gate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjMUksxQyM

quake 2's first level is alot more complex? no doubt about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCL2_v98kX0

Here's quake 3's first level arena gate

deathmatching on single player levels>noob focused multiplayer only maps.

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nah quake and unreal single player is better less linear than rage and gears of war.

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unreal 1=single player

ut=spin off franchise multiplayer only

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op-tys_98Ek

unreal 1 single player 1998.

That owns **** gears of war

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They have the same RAM I thought? Just PS3 is split I think. Anyway who cares, it's not like this affects anything, no one knows anything about these systems. We just play the games. Almost all multiplats look the same, so I don't think RAM matters.

ShadowMoses900

actually the 360 has 32MB more RAM

moreover, what Delta was saying is that the PS3's OS uses 50MB of ram while the 360's uses 32MB

as for differences, it probably helps for multiplats, giving it that extra ever so slight edge

Well like I said, I don't know nor care. It's not like this stuff affects game developers. And the slight edge isn't even slight, it's more like invisible.

If there anything that affects game dev, it´s ram, buddy! Actually 32MB is exactly what PS2 had in total. We can say 360 is more powerful than PS3 by a PS2 margin :twisted:

Well it appears you misinterpreted what I said, because I was never talking about the quality of graphics, I was talking about the quantity of different textures, and that is indeed something that is correlated to game size.

arkephonic

In total ? Six.

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Explain why developers make sacrifices to fit onto 1 DVD.

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I don't need to, go back and read the post

What post?

Why does Dan Houser express frustrations with DVD when he can just use 2 or 3?

Why does From Software lower the quality of their game through intense compression to fit it onto 1 DVD? Why don't they just use 2 DVDs?

LOL david jaffe even said gears of war sucks nuts.

epicgames hired a story writer for gears of war 2 lmao!!!!!!!!!

what kind of developer needs to hire a writer? if u want a story write a book or make a movie like jaffe said story's dont belong in games.

unreal 1# has much better gameplay in the single player than any gears of war game.

Sad part twisted metal 1995 isnt focused on story but the little bit of story it has is better than any gears of war ****

like if u beat the game with roadkill he wished he could go back to vietnam he was war vet so he could save his friend that got killed or some **** and he ends up getting killed lmao.

each character had their own little ending.

LOL david jaffe even said gears of war sucks nuts.

epicgames hired a story writer for gears of war 2 lmao!!!!!!!!!

what kind of developer needs to hire a writer? if u want a story write a book or make a movie like jaffe said story's dont belong in games.

unreal 1# has much better gameplay in the single player than any gears of war game.

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Don't all games with stories have story writers? I mean who would write the story if there was no writer?