How Powerful is the Wii U Really?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]You think the 360 has Banjo and Forza and nothing else? Hint: Highlight "360" at the top of your screen, and click "Top Games" :)locopatho

I saw 2 downloadable exclusives and nothing more. Current trend is to be bent over by MS and release on XBLA, then port to PC to finally make money.

He's a butthurt douche. A closet sheep claiming to be a hermit :lol: Complete fool

Well if you're incapable of even reading a list of great games then you probably wouldn't be bothered playing them either. Have fun reading financial reports I guess?locopatho

Incapable of doing exactly what you just said which proved my point? Do the same thing with any other platform and you'll actually find games instead of multiplats.

Somethings not right. The Wii U has a better GPU and a weaker CPU. So the company that claims gameplay over graphics chose to have better graphics rather than push physics and ai possibilities.

Shouldn't be surprised, those areas also suffered on the Wii despite having a half useful cpu.

He's a butthurt douche. A closet sheep claiming to be a hermit :lol: Complete fool

RR360DD

Someone mad I insulted his favorite console. :lol:

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

He's a butthurt douche. A closet sheep claiming to be a hermit :lol: Complete fool

ChubbyGuy40

Someone mad I insulted his favorite console. :lol:

No, I just find your complete denial hilarious, hence the :lol:

Why do you keep labelling games exclusive and multiplat, as if being exclusive makes a game better? A game is a game bro. If you compare all the quality games on the 360 or PS3 with the Wii's quality games, it gets completely dwarfed. Deal with it, or ill make a list.

No, I just find your complete denial hilarious, hence the :lol:

Why do you keep labelling games exclusive and multiplat, as if being exclusive makes a game better? A game is a game bro. If you compare all the quality games on the 360 or PS3 with the Wii's quality games, it gets completely dwarfed. Deal with it, or ill make a list.

RR360DD

Denial about what? I never denied liking Nintendo products.

Lacking in one area does not invalidate the other. You're acting as if it missing multiplats nullifies the other games (which would be exclusives) it has. Wii made up for the lack of multiplats with its exclusives. Don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand. Multiplats you can get elsewhere, which is why they are ignored when comparing two systems. It's a point, but not a critical point.

The clockspeed of the cpu is lower than PS3 and 360 = Underpowered

parkurtommo

:| Seriously?

What's more powerful? A 2.8GHz Dual Core i5 or a 3.0GHz Pentium D? Just because the clock speed in the Wii U's processor is a tad slower than current consoles doesn't mean it's less powerful/capable. Will the Wii U look underpowered compared to its next gen rivals? Probably, but at least acknowledge that it's more advanced than what's out right now. Gearbox actually praised the Wii U's processor not too long ago.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

The clockspeed of the cpu is lower than PS3 and 360 = Underpowered

YearoftheSnake5

:| Seriously?

What's more powerful? A 2.8GHz Dual Core i5 or a 3.0GHz Pentium D? Just because the clock speed in the Wii U's processor is a tad slower than current consoles doesn't mean it's less powerful/capable. Will the Wii U look underpowered compared to its next gen rivals? Probably, but at least acknowledge that it's more advanced than what's out right now. Gearbox actually praised the Wii U's processor not too long ago.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

The clockspeed of the cpu is lower than PS3 and 360 = Underpowered

YearoftheSnake5

:| Seriously?

What's more powerful? A 2.8GHz Dual Core i5 or a 3.0GHz Pentium D? Just because the clock speed in the Wii U's processor is a tad slower than current consoles doesn't mean it's less powerful/capable. Will the Wii U look underpowered compared to its next gen rivals? Probably, but at least acknowledge that it's more advanced than what's out right now. Gearbox actually praised the Wii U's processor not too long ago.

Could someone please tell the Tekken dev :roll:

I know right. Nobody listened to me either when I posted about this. psymon100

You're on Gamespot. No one listens to the facts.

Could someone please tell the Tekken dev :roll:

HalcyonScarlet

He never said it was weaker. All he said was that it was clock low. He assumed it was to cut back on power consumption.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

The clockspeed of the cpu is lower than PS3 and 360 = Underpowered

YearoftheSnake5

:| Seriously?

What's more powerful? A 2.8GHz Dual Core i5 or a 3.0GHz Pentium D? Just because the clock speed in the Wii U's processor is a tad slower than current consoles doesn't mean it's less powerful/capable. Will the Wii U look underpowered compared to its next gen rivals? Probably, but at least acknowledge that it's more advanced than what's out right now. Gearbox actually praised the Wii U's processor not too long ago.

Stop using logic and facts...IBM power7 processor runs at lower speed than power6 processors..yet is more powerful and capable..remind the fanboys which is the tech on the wii u processor...

[QUOTE="psymon100"]I know right. Nobody listened to me either when I posted about this. ChubbyGuy40

You're on Gamespot. No one listens to the facts.

Could someone please tell the Tekken dev :roll:

HalcyonScarlet

He never said it was weaker. All he said was that it was clock low. He assumed it was to cut back on power consumption.

He never compared it to anything, he said it was lower and he had to find work arounds to get the performance he wanted.

Just heard from neogaf that these rumors refer to old dev kits.Ignore these rumors at all costs.

Just heard from neogaf that these rumors refer to old dev kits.Ignore these rumors at all costs.

super600

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] But question is if it will be capable of running multiplats that are on the PS4/X720 gen, which is perhaps the more relevant measure.SuperFlakeman

Then the PC would be a generational mess considering the range of games (minecraft - battlefield 3).

Your definition further breaks down and becomes useless when we factor in social and mobile games.

What gen refers to is the rough time period of competing home consoles, with some overlap near the transition phase.

[QUOTE="YearoftheSnake5"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

The clockspeed of the cpu is lower than PS3 and 360 = Underpowered

Tessellation

:| Seriously?

What's more powerful? A 2.8GHz Dual Core i5 or a 3.0GHz Pentium D? Just because the clock speed in the Wii U's processor is a tad slower than current consoles doesn't mean it's less powerful/capable. Will the Wii U look underpowered compared to its next gen rivals? Probably, but at least acknowledge that it's more advanced than what's out right now. Gearbox actually praised the Wii U's processor not too long ago.

Stop using logic and facts...IBM power7 processor runs at lower speed than power6 processors..yet is more powerful and capable..remind the fanboys which is the tech on the wii u processor...

There was a really stupid thread not too long ago that tried to say that the Wii U used an enhanced version of Wii's Broadway CPU. Those who actually care to read what IBM has to say already know, for a fact, that the Wii U uses Power7. It shouldn't be debated at this point, but the fanboys will dig up some stupid rumor to debate over and claim as fact.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="YearoftheSnake5"]

:| Seriously?

What's more powerful? A 2.8GHz Dual Core i5 or a 3.0GHz Pentium D? Just because the clock speed in the Wii U's processor is a tad slower than current consoles doesn't mean it's less powerful/capable. Will the Wii U look underpowered compared to its next gen rivals? Probably, but at least acknowledge that it's more advanced than what's out right now. Gearbox actually praised the Wii U's processor not too long ago.

YearoftheSnake5

Stop using logic and facts...IBM power7 processor runs at lower speed than power6 processors..yet is more powerful and capable..remind the fanboys which is the tech on the wii u processor...

There was a really stupid thread not too long ago that tried to say that the Wii U used an enhanced version of Wii's Broadway CPU. Those who actually care to read what IBM has to say already know, for a fact, that the Wii U uses Power7. It shouldn't be debated at this point, but the fanboys will dig up some stupid rumor to debate over and claim as fact.

Don't forget about the "not as many shaders as 360 and PS3" by "credible" anonymous sources...

Seriously, this console is getting so much backlash and outright hate it's bordering on the absurd and it's not even out yet...

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Three arrows! You sure showed me :shock:Bigboi500

[QUOTE="YearoftheSnake5"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

Stop using logic and facts...IBM power7 processor runs at lower speed than power6 processors..yet is more powerful and capable..remind the fanboys which is the tech on the wii u processor...

nameless12345

There was a really stupid thread not too long ago that tried to say that the Wii U used an enhanced version of Wii's Broadway CPU. Those who actually care to read what IBM has to say already know, for a fact, that the Wii U uses Power7. It shouldn't be debated at this point, but the fanboys will dig up some stupid rumor to debate over and claim as fact.

Don't forget about the "not as many shaders as 360 and PS3" by "credible" anonymous sources...

Seriously, this console is getting so much backlash and outright hate it's bordering on the absurd and it's not even out yet...

It deserves a lot of it. Wiiu sort of puts a lot of gamers in the position that they will now have to buy more than one console to play all the games they want. Ps4 and the next Xbox will be so much more powerful that many games wont come to wiiu, or will be vastly inferior versions. Myself? I'll be reserving one once the price is announced. I'm let down the machine isn't more powerful. Not pissed off, but I recognize the missed opportunity here given the length of console gens these days. I do think that wiiu will be a hit though, so much so that developers won't abandon it like the wii. Personally I'd prefer just owning one console, but something tells me that Naughty Dog will sell me on the next Playstation--which will be a drastic improvement over the current gen. I think you are mistaking "hate" for "disappointment". And when I say that I mean it in a , "wow that could have been so much more" kind of way.Heirren

I get where you're coming from. This gen, I would have loved to play Crysis 2, The Darkness, and numerous other games on Wii...if it were powerful enough to handle them. I actually prefer my shooters with the Wiimote and I couldn't help but fantasize playing some games from the HD twins with it. There will always be certain games that don't make it to the platform, like how the Gamecube missed out on Battlefront and the PS2 missed Jedi Outcast, but I would like to see the majority of 3rd party games make it to Wii U. Hell, we don't even know the specs for Sony and Microsoft's next platforms, so that's still up in the air for the time being. They'll probably be more powerful, but it's not set in stone just yet.

I agree with Nintendo that specs don't matter.

I couldn't care less about a console's specs if it wouldn't have any good, attractive games.

Also, it's more important how the given power is utilized than simply just what it has under the hood.

I mean, who cares if a system has a technical advantage if all it gets are bland ports from lesser (in technical terms) systems?

And also, people who are expecting "cutting-edge" tech in 300$ consoles in compact cases are delusional.nameless12345

I read this on another forum. This is exactly what I'm been trying to formulate:

Q: "Why can't we have gameplay and graphics though? Why can't their be a middle ground?"

A: Because Nintendo wants to stall the rise of their development budgets. Nintendo with ever inflating budgets is a Nintendo not long for this world. I'd bet they still feel hesitance to approve a game with a $10 million development budget.SuperFlakeman

I agree with these. Plus there's rising software development costs to think about, & having bleeding edge hardware is going to come with it. Sony & Microsoft may have been lucky in this round with 3rd party support, but they might not be next time if they make more beefier consoles with power & graphics just like they did with PS3 & 360.

Most publishers/developers can't afford to make console games with high budgets except for big named 3rd party publishers/developers like Ubisoft, EA, & Activision (Heck, the average cost of making a PS3 or a 360 game is already between $15 million & $30 million as it is).

BTW, I found the post on what SuperFlakeman has posted, it's from NeoGAF:

Link.

why is this thread still going? if you dont like nintendos direction dont buy the console it isnt that deep.....

and yes the wiiu is stronger then the damn ps3 and 360 just because launch games look on par(some better) then ps3/360 games does not mean it wont get games suited for its hardware eventually.

It still doesnt give a idea of how powerful it is.

[QUOTE="Heirren"] It deserves a lot of it. Wiiu sort of puts a lot of gamers in the position that they will now have to buy more than one console to play all the games they want. Ps4 and the next Xbox will be so much more powerful that many games wont come to wiiu, or will be vastly inferior versions. Myself? I'll be reserving one once the price is announced. I'm let down the machine isn't more powerful. Not pissed off, but I recognize the missed opportunity here given the length of console gens these days. I do think that wiiu will be a hit though, so much so that developers won't abandon it like the wii. Personally I'd prefer just owning one console, but something tells me that Naughty Dog will sell me on the next Playstation--which will be a drastic improvement over the current gen. I think you are mistaking "hate" for "disappointment". And when I say that I mean it in a , "wow that could have been so much more" kind of way.YearoftheSnake5

I get where you're coming from. This gen, I would have loved to play Crysis 2, The Darkness, and numerous other games on Wii...if it were powerful enough to handle them. I actually prefer my shooters with the Wiimote and I couldn't help but fantasize playing some games from the HD twins with it. There will always be certain games that don't make it to the platform, like how the Gamecube missed out on Battlefront and the PS2 missed Jedi Outcast, but I would like to see the majority of 3rd party games make it to Wii U. Hell, we don't even know the specs for Sony and Microsoft's next platforms, so that's still up in the air for the time being. They'll probably be more powerful, but it's not set in stone just yet.

It still doesnt give a idea of how powerful it is.

HaloPimp978

Less than Radeon HD 5770 and greater than Radeon HD 5550.

OR

Less than Radeon HD 4870 and greater than Radeon HD 4650.

How powerful is the Wii U?

well for next gen console power levels im going to predict,

Wii U = Yamcha

Xbox 360 = Vegeta

PS4 = Goku

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

It still doesnt give a idea of how powerful it is.

ronvalencia

Less than Radeon HD 5770 and greater than Radeon HD 5550.

OR

Less than Radeon HD 4870 and greater than Radeon HD 4650.

How powerful is the Wii U?

well for next gen console power levels im going to predict,

Wii U = Yamcha

Xbox 360 = Vegeta

PS4 = Goku

SonySoldier-_-

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

No, I just find your complete denial hilarious, hence the :lol:

Why do you keep labelling games exclusive and multiplat, as if being exclusive makes a game better? A game is a game bro. If you compare all the quality games on the 360 or PS3 with the Wii's quality games, it gets completely dwarfed. Deal with it, or ill make a list.

ChubbyGuy40

Denial about what? I never denied liking Nintendo products.

Lacking in one area does not invalidate the other. You're acting as if it missing multiplats nullifies the other games (which would be exclusives) it has. Wii made up for the lack of multiplats with its exclusives. Don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand. Multiplats you can get elsewhere, which is why they are ignored when comparing two systems. It's a point, but not a critical point.

No, denial in accepting the Wii's library was awful. Its pretty clear you bum nintendo products.

Lacking in one area (which is a pretty big area) does not invalidate the other, however it still brings the library down. Having good exclusives DOES NOT make up for the shlt ton of multiplats it missed out on. Sorry. Its common sense bro, you're either incredibly dense or you're trolling me.

And please don't reduce yourself to the cows level of having to use other systems to back you up. We're talking about the Wii here, not the combination of the Wii and some other system. Weak bro.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="YearoftheSnake5"]

There was a really stupid thread not too long ago that tried to say that the Wii U used an enhanced version of Wii's Broadway CPU. Those who actually care to read what IBM has to say already know, for a fact, that the Wii U uses Power7. It shouldn't be debated at this point, but the fanboys will dig up some stupid rumor to debate over and claim as fact.

Heirren

Don't forget about the "not as many shaders as 360 and PS3" by "credible" anonymous sources...

Seriously, this console is getting so much backlash and outright hate it's bordering on the absurd and it's not even out yet...

With the Wii U you're getting Nintendo's 1st party as well as enhanced current-gen multiplats for likely a lower price than what the next MS and Sony systems will cost.

I don't see that as a bad deal but I honesly would like to see people stop claiming how superior the next PS and Xbox will be when we still know next to nothing about them (appart form some vague speculations).

We are yet to see how things will unfold in the future.

As for your 1 system claim - essentially you're saying "wouldn't it be best if all games were made for the PC?" and the answer to that is a - yes, it would be.

But it's not a realistic perspective and there will always be place for consoles on the market too.

And besides, do you really think Nintendo would be successful as a 3rd party company?

I just don't see their games selling well on PlayStation and Xbox.

It still doesnt give a idea of how powerful it is.

HaloPimp978

Seems about as powerfull as xbox 360/PS3, but the games look far behind the top looking games on those systems

Could be years until WiiU games start looking as good as Gears 3 or Halo 4

Seems about as powerfull as xbox 360/PS3, but the games look far behind the top looking games on those systems

Could be years until WiiU games start looking as good as Gears 3 or Halo 4

loosingENDS

It's stronger then them.The minimum will most likely be close to 2X stronger then the 360 and PS3.

No, denial in accepting the Wii's library was awful. Its pretty clear you bum nintendo products.

Lacking in one area (which is a pretty big area) does not invalidate the other, however it still brings the library down. Having good exclusives DOES NOT make up for the shlt ton of multiplats it missed out on. Sorry. Its common sense bro, you're either incredibly dense or you're trolling me.

And please don't reduce yourself to the cows level of having to use other systems to back you up. We're talking about the Wii here, not the combination of the Wii and some other system. Weak bro.

RR360DD

That's not denial. That would be being an idiot, much like yourself. I bum Nintendo products? No, I enjoy and buy them because they're fun.

Of course 50% is a big area. That's not exactly rocket science. Never denied it doesn't bring the library down. It's the same as the 360 (and PS3 to a lesser extent) lacking on exclusives but having all those multiplats. Quite hilarious that you, an infamous troll, is calling someone else one. Common sense is not the same as uninformed opinions. Please learn the proper usage of that term.

Wasn't talking about using a combination of systems. Don't know where you got that from. Only stating how multiplats work when comparing systems.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Seems about as powerfull as xbox 360/PS3, but the games look far behind the top looking games on those systems

Could be years until WiiU games start looking as good as Gears 3 or Halo 4

super600

It's stronger then them.The minimum will most likely be close to 2X stronger then the 360 and PS3.

Surly has more ram, but the CPU/GPU could be anything

If you take a 680GTX and take out 95% of the shaders for example, it is no longer a 680GTX, so their GPU could be lowest end, which means would be far below PS3/360 capability

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Seems about as powerfull as xbox 360/PS3, but the games look far behind the top looking games on those systems

Could be years until WiiU games start looking as good as Gears 3 or Halo 4

loosingENDS

It's stronger then them.The minimum will most likely be close to 2X stronger then the 360 and PS3.

Surly has more ram, but the CPU/GPU could be anything

If you take a 680GTX and take out 95% of the shaders for example, it is no longer a 680GTX, so their GPU could be lowest end, which means would be far below PS3/360 capability

GPU is at least 2X stronger or maybe 3X stronger then the GPU's in the HD twins.The CPU is the weird part about the hardware.It could be weak or it could be strong,but the effect the CPU has on certain games will be determined when developers get used to the hardware a bit more.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

It's stronger then them.The minimum will most likely be close to 2X stronger then the 360 and PS3.

super600

Surly has more ram, but the CPU/GPU could be anything

If you take a 680GTX and take out 95% of the shaders for example, it is no longer a 680GTX, so their GPU could be lowest end, which means would be far below PS3/360 capability

GPU is at least 2X stronger or maybe 3X stronger then the GPU's in the HD twins.The CPU is the weird part about the hardware.It could be weak or it could be strong,but the effect the CPU has on certain games will be determined when developers get used to the hardware a bit more.

Is there any concrete confirmation about the GPU specs or you go by the rumors ?

ZombiU seems far behind in everything, polygons, shaders, textures than most PS3/360 games

See the below gameplay video for reference, areas seem rather empty and plain as well, polygons counts seem minimal, textures are looking bad and there are hardly any shaders around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnXB-aNVbW0&feature=player_embedded

These visuals dont even touch launch xbox 360 games like Kameo

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

It still doesnt give a idea of how powerful it is.

Kaszilla

Less than Radeon HD 5770 and greater than Radeon HD 5550.

OR

Less than Radeon HD 4870 and greater than Radeon HD 4650.

Because I have purchased several AMD Radeon HD GPU products and I know their performance profiles. My Radeon HDs list; 3870, 4650M (450Mhz to 550Mhz), 4850, 5770, 5730M (aka 5570 desktop and aka 6570M), 6250M, 6950 (including 6970 BIOS-mod), 7950 (800Mhz to 1.2Ghz and Boost Edition). I would like to purchase AMD Trinity ULV/LV APU tablet... .

With exception of 6250M, I have underclocked/overclocked my Radeon HD GPUs.

PS; My Geforce CUDA list; 8600 GT(desktop, dead fan), 8600M GT(dead), 9500M GS, 9650M GT (unstable with Win7 X64).

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Seems about as powerfull as xbox 360/PS3, but the games look far behind the top looking games on those systems

Could be years until WiiU games start looking as good as Gears 3 or Halo 4

loosingENDS

It's stronger then them.The minimum will most likely be close to 2X stronger then the 360 and PS3.

Surly has more ram, but the CPU/GPU could be anything

If you take a 680GTX and take out 95% of the shaders for example, it is no longer a 680GTX, so their GPU could be lowest end, which means would be far below PS3/360 capability

150 GFLOPs Geforce GTX680 would stll rival Geforce 7800 GTX e.g. Geforce 8700.

Geforce 8700M GT running Fallout 3 @ 1280x800p and max details with smooth framerates http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Naj0KgbQUcA This result beats NVIDIA Geforce RSX in the PS3.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

It's stronger then them.The minimum will most likely be close to 2X stronger then the 360 and PS3.

ronvalencia

Surly has more ram, but the CPU/GPU could be anything

If you take a 680GTX and take out 95% of the shaders for example, it is no longer a 680GTX, so their GPU could be lowest end, which means would be far below PS3/360 capability

That is why i think it is about similar GPU power as xbox 360

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Surly has more ram, but the CPU/GPU could be anything

If you take a 680GTX and take out 95% of the shaders for example, it is no longer a 680GTX, so their GPU could be lowest end, which means would be far below PS3/360 capability

loosingENDS

GPU is at least 2X stronger or maybe 3X stronger then the GPU's in the HD twins.The CPU is the weird part about the hardware.It could be weak or it could be strong,but the effect the CPU has on certain games will be determined when developers get used to the hardware a bit more.

Is there any concrete confirmation about the GPU specs or you go by the rumors ?

ZombiU seems far behind in everything, polygons, shaders, textures than most PS3/360 games

See the below gameplay video for reference, areas seem rather empty and plain as well, polygons counts seem minimal, textures are looking bad and there are hardly any shaders around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnXB-aNVbW0&feature=player_embedded

These visuals dont even touch launch xbox 360 games like Kameo

The edram or whatever it's called is 3X more then the 360, the console has at least 3X more ram useable for games then the 360.1.0 to 1.5GB is most likely going to be used for games.The GPU seems to have a more modern design then the GPU's in the HD twins and it runs anywere from 500flops-700flops.Not much info besides that unless you want to get into tech specifcations has been released for the WiiU's GPU.Now here comes the confusing part.The CPU may break or save the console depending on how strong it is.I heard some reports saying the CPU is designed differently from the CPU's used in the HD twins.I heard some reports saying that there's a DISP for sound and some other parts that most devs are barely using yet.,but that may have changed with the recent dev kits because I heard their was some performance boost for a lot of the games the devs were developing for the console.No one truely no ones how powerful the console is yet and that's why I don;t believe the underpowered rumors.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Surly has more ram, but the CPU/GPU could be anything

If you take a 680GTX and take out 95% of the shaders for example, it is no longer a 680GTX, so their GPU could be lowest end, which means would be far below PS3/360 capability

loosingENDS

That is why i think it is about similar GPU power as xbox 360

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] 150 GFLOPs Geforce GTX680 would stll rival Geforce 7800 GTX e.g. Geforce 8700.soulitane

That is why i think it is about similar GPU power as xbox 360

:lol:

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] 150 GFLOPs Geforce GTX680 would stll rival Geforce 7800 GTX e.g. Geforce 8700.soulitane

That is why i think it is about similar GPU power as xbox 360

No, that was an example

I just think it uses a lower end part, which it may use more fresh tech but lacks in raw power to the point that brings it about to the same as 360/PS3 level

ZombiU for example does not seem to even rival some launch xbox 360 titles like PD0 or Kameo visually

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Don't forget about the "not as many shaders as 360 and PS3" by "credible" anonymous sources...

Seriously, this console is getting so much backlash and outright hate it's bordering on the absurd and it's not even out yet...

nameless12345

With the Wii U you're getting Nintendo's 1st party as well as enhanced current-gen multiplats for likely a lower price than what the next MS and Sony systems will cost.

I don't see that as a bad deal but I honesly would like to see people stop claiming how superior the next PS and Xbox will be when we still know next to nothing about them (appart form some vague speculations).

We are yet to see how things will unfold in the future.

As for your 1 system claim - essentially you're saying "wouldn't it be best if all games were made for the PC?" and the answer to that is a - yes, it would be.

But it's not a realistic perspective and there will always be place for consoles on the market too.

And besides, do you really think Nintendo would be successful as a 3rd party company?

I just don't see their games selling well on PlayStation and Xbox.