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#51 tagyhag
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Were was the hype for Hyperdimension Neptunia? and far as I know not very many JRPG fans were hyping this game.

will eventually get hyperdimension later this year

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No big general hype, so not a flop, just a low scoring game.

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#52 RavenLoud
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I think it was pretty apparent that it was made to please the loli fans, not gamers in general.

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#53 -Snooze-
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The game looks BEYOND terrible in every way, shape and form.

The entire premise is disgusting. How can people be defending this?

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#54 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Who the heck is Kat Bailey? It's obvious that who ever that person is they didn't play very far into the game. The criticisms about the battle system are somewhat legit, but everything else is way off. It's pretty clear that this Kat person isn't a hardcore RPG gamer. Giving a good game like HN a 3.0 is ridiculous. I actually beat the game (didn't do all the extra stuff) and it is a good game with rewards if you play it long enough.

Bunk review is bunk. Gamespot should take the time to hire some better free-lance reviewers who actually know what the heck they're talking about if they want to be taken seriously from the JRPG community. I rated it a 7.5.

tagyhag

The JRPG community, (Well the hardcore ones) are some of the most biased people in the world.

So is the FPS community, and the RTS community and so on, but the problem here is GameSpot always uses FPS fans to review FPS games, and FPS fans to review JRPGs these days.

The game isn't great by any means but it sure isn't as bad as she claims it is, unless one has a tremendous bias against the kind of game/genre in the first place. Very shady business practice methinks.

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#55 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Who the heck is Kat Bailey? It's obvious that who ever that person is they didn't play very far into the game. The criticisms about the battle system are somewhat legit, but everything else is way off. It's pretty clear that this Kat person isn't a hardcore RPG gamer. Giving a good game like HN a 3.0 is ridiculous. I actually beat the game (didn't do all the extra stuff) and it is a good game with rewards if you play it long enough.

Bunk review is bunk. Gamespot should take the time to hire some better free-lance reviewers who actually know what the heck they're talking about if they want to be taken seriously from the JRPG community. I rated it a 7.5.

Bigboi500

The JRPG community, (Well the hardcore ones) are some of the most biased people in the world.

So is the FPS community, and the RTS community and so on, but the problem here is GameSpot always uses FPS fans to review FPS games, and FPS fans to review JRPGs these days.

The game isn't great by any means but it sure isn't as bad as she claims it is, unless one has a tremendous bias against the kind of game/genre in the first place. Very shady business practice methinks.

How do we know she's a biased FPS fan?

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#56 Luxen90
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How do we know she's a biased FPS fan?

tagyhag



Lol funny thing, we don't. Someone actually said earlier in this topic that she is a hardcore rpg fan....

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#57 spookykid143
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Why is AR Tonelico3 is rated M ?johny300
Boobies

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#58 majadamus
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[QUOTE="majadamus"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Who the heck is Kat Bailey? It's obvious that who ever that person is they didn't play very far into the game. The criticisms about the battle system are somewhat legit, but everything else is way off. It's pretty clear that this Kat person isn't a hardcore RPG gamer. Giving a good game like HN a 3.0 is ridiculous. I actually beat the game (didn't do all the extra stuff) and it is a good game with rewards if you play it long enough.

Bunk review is bunk. Gamespot should take the time to hire some better free-lance reviewers who actually know what the heck they're talking about if they want to be taken seriously from the JRPG community. I rated it a 7.5.

Bigboi500

I recognize that name. She's the host of Active Time Babble podcast on 1up. She's pretty hardcore if you ask me. You should listen to her podcast and get schooled. ;)

It's pretty obvious that she must be a casual mainstream gamer who only played the game for a few hours at best and made some premature judgements.

No. If you listened to her podcasts you would know she's really into not just JRPGs, but all types of RPGs. She's well informed.

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#59 lundy86_4  Online
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Poor FinalStar :(




:P

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#60 Bigboi500
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How do we know she's a biased FPS fan?

tagyhag

Simple deductive reasoning. She only played a few hours of the game, so she must be used to playing 4 hour FPS campaigns. :P

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#61 Blazerdt47
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Awesome, can't wait to pick up this masterpiece AAA PS3 JRPG ;)

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Cons:
Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls

GS

Err welcome to Japan?

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#63 Pug-Nasty
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"Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls"

I knew this and knew this game would be bad because of this just at looking at the cover.

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Isn't that a description of anything anime?

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#64 Luxen90
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Isn't that a description of anything anime?

Pug-Nasty



No.

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#65 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="GS"]
Cons:
Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls

SpinoRaptor24

Err welcome to Japan?

Yeah that shows she's quite unfamiliar with the genre and the culture. That sounds like a hardcore JRPG fan to me. :roll:

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#66 finalfantasy94
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Theres only 1 negative that bugs me

Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls

Im gussing this person hates anything to do with japan then.

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#67 Wolfetan
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Thats what I'm talking 'bout!

I don't know why people hype these JRPG's.

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#68 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Isn't that a description of anything anime?

Luxen90



No.

But its like half. Thats how japan roles.

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#69 spookykid143
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Thats what I'm talking 'bout!

I don't know why people hype these JRPG's.

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No one did

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#70 lundy86_4  Online
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Isn't that a description of anything anime?

Pug-Nasty

Not really, no. They do have some weird-ass stuff like that though :P

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#71 Luxen90
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="GS"]
Cons:
Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls

Bigboi500

Err welcome to Japan?

Yeah that shows she's quite unfamiliar with the genre and the culture. That sounds like a hardcore JRPG fan to me. :roll:



Lol now I can't tell if you are serious or not, but having sexualized caricatures of young girls appear just as often as not having young girls sexualized in JRPGs. I'd say that actually is more popular nowadays than back in the SNES/PS1/PS2 generations....It's possible to be a hardcore JRPG fan and to avoid those games.

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#72 Wolfetan
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[QUOTE="Wolfetan"]

Thats what I'm talking 'bout!

I don't know why people hype these JRPG's.

spookykid143

No one did

There was about 4 people. I guess its not really hype, but some people (4) were excited.
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#73 Luxen90
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But its like half. Thats how japan roles.

finalfantasy94



Maybe so, but I haven't come across any of that in the animes I've watch....

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#74 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="johny300"]Why is AR Tonelico3 is rated M ?spookykid143

Boobies

I also hear its sexual inuendo, I see the game getting at least a 7. Since iv seen some reviews and it sounds like its a fun game. Unless this person reviews it again since they dont know the whole looks young and comes off sexy is how japan always have been.

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#75 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

But its like half. Thats how japan roles.

Luxen90



Maybe so, but I haven't come across any of that in the animes I've watch....

Yea there are some animes that dont fall into that catogory but there are few that does. The cover is usally this girl is a billion years old just with a child like body.

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#76 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Err welcome to Japan?

Luxen90

Yeah that shows she's quite unfamiliar with the genre and the culture. That sounds like a hardcore JRPG fan to me. :roll:



Lol now I can't tell if you are serious or not, but having sexualized caricatures of young girls appear just as often as not having young girls sexualized in JRPGs. I'd say that actually is more popular nowadays than back in the SNES/PS1/PS2 generations....

Nah I don't take anything GameSpot or IGN says seriously, atleast about anything Japanese culture-related. I also don't take myself too seriously on SW. Still, I like to point out how uninformed they can be from time to time just for fun.

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#77 Regent192
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what JRPGs have a high score in GS? (from this gen)

and NIS should stick with disgaea.....

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#78 Luxen90
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Yea there are some animes that dont fall into that catogory but there are few that does. The cover is usally this girl is a billion years old just with a child like body.

finalfantasy94



My main point is that you really can't try to say a reviewer doesn't like anything from Japan or JRPGs because she doesn't like sexualized young girls. Japan has plenty of enough content in anime and games that doesn't contain any of that. I've played tons of JRPGs and only a couple even contain that(Honestly can only think of Ar Tonelico and even then it's not as bad as Neptune...)

That'd be like me not liking Gears for its steriod and huge characters and someone saying I must not like anything from America even though there's PLENTY of stuff that doesn't contain that.

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#79 -Unreal-
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I just watched the video and it seems that game has everything I dislike about JRPG games.

  • Childish
  • Too cutesy
  • Strange sexual hints which border on paedophelia
  • Characters that look the same as most other JRPGs
  • Very annoying voice acting
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#80 sonicmj1
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="GS"]
Cons:
Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls

Bigboi500

Err welcome to Japan?

Yeah that shows she's quite unfamiliar with the genre and the culture. That sounds like a hardcore JRPG fan to me. :roll:

Then one wonders why she spends an hour and a half every week recording a podcast dedicated to Western and Japanese RPGs. One episode touches on mainline Super Robot Taisen, which doesn't even come here except for the versions with no licenses.

EDIT: Listening to that episode now, she says that half the games she buys for her DS are Japanese.

This suggests familiarity with the culture.

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#81 Yangire
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I just watched the video and it seems that game has everything I dislike about JRPG games.

  • Childish
  • Too cutesy
  • Strange sexual hints which border on paedophelia
  • Characters that look the same as most other JRPGs
  • Very annoying voice acting

-Unreal-

Wow you pointed out some sterotypes, you look like you know a lot about JRPGs.

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#82 tutt3r
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"Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls"

brb going gamestop

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#83 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea there are some animes that dont fall into that catogory but there are few that does. The cover is usally this girl is a billion years old just with a child like body.

Luxen90



My main point is that you really can't try to say a reviewer doesn't like anything from Japan or JRPGs because she doesn't like sexualized young girls. Japan has plenty of enough content in anime and games that doesn't contain any of that. I've played tons of JRPGs and only a couple even contain that(Honestly can only think of Ar Tonelico and even then it's not as bad as Neptune...)

That'd be like me not liking Gears for its steriod and huge characters and someone saying I must not like anything from America even though there's PLENTY of stuff that doesn't contain that.

Is still dont find it worthy of a negative point. Its like if japan did a review of gears and said this

negative

-Big steroid looking male characters looks silly

You can cry about it sure but dont let it affect the game itself. It makes the reviewer look just plain silly. Itsalso like me saying ugh this character has pink hair I hate that time to take away some points.

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#84 Wanderer5
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I just realize this game score lower then the Last Rebellion.:lol:

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#85 -Unreal-
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[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

I just watched the video and it seems that game has everything I dislike about JRPG games.

  • Childish
  • Too cutesy
  • Strange sexual hints which border on paedophelia
  • Characters that look the same as most other JRPGs
  • Very annoying voice acting

Yangire

Wow you pointed out some sterotypes, you look like you know a lot about JRPGs.

Most JRPGs have exactly what I listed. In fact I have Star Ocean Last Hope running on my PS3 right now. Just earlier, I was playing and my party had to climb down a fabric banner to get down from a building. One is a female wearing a skirt and she said something about her insisting on going first, hinting that the other male characters will look up her skirt. So obvious and unecessarily childish sexual hints. The game funilly enough also has everything else I listed. It's overly cutesy, the dialogue is childish as is the story and the voice acting is annoying. The characters look like they came from other JRPG franchises too. I expected my comments to be brought up though by people with Japanese and anime related images.
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#86 Luxen90
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Is still dont find it worthy of a negative point. Its like if japan did a review of gears and said this

negative

-Big steroid looking male characters looks silly

You can cry about it sure but dont let it affect the game itself.

finalfantasy94



It's subjective man of course not you or everyone will agree with it being a negative point. I'd agree that she maybe she not have even reviewed this game since you can tell by the artstyIe and I'd probably say that giving it a negative point is unprofessional, but like I said it's subjective. People who write review, view them differently from most.

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#87 Luxen90
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I just realize this game score lower then the Last Rebellion.:lol:

Wanderer5
Now that is sad....lol that game looked TERRIBLE.
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Then one wonders why she spends an hour and a half every week recording a podcast dedicated to Western and Japanese RPGs. One episode touches on mainline Super Robot Taisen, which doesn't even come here except for the unlicensed versions.

sonicmj1

That's funny because I have a licensed U.S. version of Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier on DS. All this talk about "disturbing sexualized little girls" doesn't get mentioned in games like Persona 3 and 4. High school girls clearly under the age of 17, or Disgaea which features Etna and Flonne and Adel's little sister, Tales and FF games featuring underage girls caught in suggestive situations. If she's a hardcore JRPG fan, she should be familiar with such things. She probably reads stuff off of a queue card that was written for her.

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#89 -Unreal-
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[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea there are some animes that dont fall into that catogory but there are few that does. The cover is usally this girl is a billion years old just with a child like body.

finalfantasy94



My main point is that you really can't try to say a reviewer doesn't like anything from Japan or JRPGs because she doesn't like sexualized young girls. Japan has plenty of enough content in anime and games that doesn't contain any of that. I've played tons of JRPGs and only a couple even contain that(Honestly can only think of Ar Tonelico and even then it's not as bad as Neptune...)

That'd be like me not liking Gears for its steriod and huge characters and someone saying I must not like anything from America even though there's PLENTY of stuff that doesn't contain that.

Is still dont find it worthy of a negative point. Its like if japan did a review of gears and said this

negative

-Big steroid looking male characters looks silly

You can cry about it sure but dont let it affect the game itself. It makes the reviewer look just plain silly. Itsalso like me saying ugh this character has pink hair I hate that time to take away some points.

But then not every game has guys with huge muscles. Most JRPGs on the other hand have many striking similarities in their presentation, so much so that people who aren't huge fans of them can't tell many apart.

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I knew this game was going to be ridiculous

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#91 Luxen90
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Most JRPGs have exactly what I listed. In fact I have Star Ocean Last Hope running on my PS3 right now. Just earlier, I was playing and my party had to climb down a fabric banner to get down from a building. One is a female wearing a skirt and she said something about her insisting on going first, hinting that the other male characters will look up her skirt. So obvious and unecessarily childish sexual hints. The game funilly enough also has everything else I listed. It's overly cutesy, the dialogue is childish as is the story and the voice acting is annoying. The characters look like they came from other JRPG franchises too. I expected my comments to be brought up though by people with Japanese and anime related images.-Unreal-


Star Ocean 4 is one of the worst JRPGs I've ever played. Just saying man you should pick and choose your JRPGs more wisely there's JRPGs definitely out there that doesn't contain that. I can give you a list of great jrpgs to at least try to check out if you have any sort of interest.

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#92 Yangire
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

I just watched the video and it seems that game has everything I dislike about JRPG games.

  • Childish
  • Too cutesy
  • Strange sexual hints which border on paedophelia
  • Characters that look the same as most other JRPGs
  • Very annoying voice acting

-Unreal-

Wow you pointed out some sterotypes, you look like you know a lot about JRPGs.

Most JRPGs have exactly what I listed. In fact I have Star Ocean Last Hope running on my PS3 right now. Just earlier, I was playing and my party had to climb down a fabric banner to get down from a building. One is a female wearing a skirt and she said something about her insisting on going first, hinting that the other male characters will look up her skirt. So obvious and unecessarily childish sexual hints. The game funilly enough also has everything else I listed. It's overly cutesy, the dialogue is childish as is the story and the voice acting is annoying. The characters look like they came from other JRPG franchises too. I expected my comments to be brought up though by people with Japanese and anime related images.

1.) If you have a problem with cutesy, sexualized JRPGs then why by Star Ocean The Last Hope? There are plenty of pre-PS2 JRPGs that have no hint of any of that, you just sound like you have little to not experience with JRPGs.

2.) Sure it can get annoying but you play games for the gameplay, riiigghhtt? Just ignore the dialog if you want, I don't care about 99% of the stories I read.

3.) There you go stereotyping again, does it make you feel smart?

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#93 Luxen90
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That's funny because I have a licensed U.S. version of Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier on DS. All this talk about "disturbing sexualized little girls" doesn't get mentioned in games like Persona 3 and 4. High school girls clearly under the age of 17, or Disgaea which features Etna and Flonne and Adel's little sister, Tales and FF games featuring underage girls caught in suggestive situations. If she's a hardcore JRPG fan, she should be familiar with such things. She probably reads stuff off of a queue card that was written for her.

Bigboi500



Okay lol, now I know for sure this isn't a serious post :lol:and Only 3 Super Robot Taisen games came to US compared to over 20(Estimate)

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#94 spookykid143
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[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

I just realize this game score lower then the Last Rebellion.:lol:

Luxen90

Now that is sad....lol that game looked TERRIBLE.

I have last rebellion and i think it's about a 6.0

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#95 sonicmj1
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[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Then one wonders why she spends an hour and a half every week recording a podcast dedicated to Western and Japanese RPGs. One episode touches on mainline Super Robot Taisen, which doesn't even come here except for the unlicensed versions.

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That's funny because I have a licensed U.S. version of Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier on DS. All this talk about "disturbing sexualized little girls" doesn't get mentioned in games like Persona 3 and 4. High school girls clearly under the age of 17, or Disgaea which features Etna and Flonne and Adel's little sister, Tales and FF games featuring underage girls caught in suggestive situations. If she's a hardcore JRPG fan, she should be familiar with such things. She probably reads stuff off of a queue card that was written for her.

She was talking about Super Robot Taisen Z2, which doesn't exist in the US. She says in that very podcast that she spent about $90 importing it. She talks at length about how the Super Robot Taisen franchise gave exposure to certain formerly-obscure Japanese mecha anime.

As I pointed out in the edit I recently made, half of her DS games are Japanese. She's familiar with the genre, the culture, and its tropes. Some are better than others.

I haven't played Hyperdimension Neptunia, so I can't know for sure. But if the characters are as she suggests (little more than vapid loli moe stereotypes), then they bear nothing in common with the well-rounded human characters of the Persona series. The problem isn't that the characters are underage and wind up in occasionally-suggestive situations, the problem is that the characters are nothing more than fanservice.

I've presented the evidence of Kat's knowledge of JRPGs and Japan as plainly as possible. I can't make you accept what's right under your nose, but there's no shame in admitting your errors.

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#96 Verge_6
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Looks like this is something to avoid if you don't have a thing for little girls. ;)

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#97 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Then one wonders why she spends an hour and a half every week recording a podcast dedicated to Western and Japanese RPGs. One episode touches on mainline Super Robot Taisen, which doesn't even come here except for the unlicensed versions.

sonicmj1

That's funny because I have a licensed U.S. version of Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier on DS. All this talk about "disturbing sexualized little girls" doesn't get mentioned in games like Persona 3 and 4. High school girls clearly under the age of 17, or Disgaea which features Etna and Flonne and Adel's little sister, Tales and FF games featuring underage girls caught in suggestive situations. If she's a hardcore JRPG fan, she should be familiar with such things. She probably reads stuff off of a queue card that was written for her.

She was talking about Super Robot Taisen Z2, which doesn't exist in the US. She says in that very podcast that she spent about $90 importing it. She talks at length about how the Super Robot Taisen franchise gave exposure to certain formerly-obscure Japanese mecha anime.

As I pointed out in the edit I recently made, half of her DS games are Japanese. She's familiar with the genre, the culture, and its tropes. Some are better than others.

I haven't played Hyperdimension Neptunia, so I can't know for sure. But if the characters are as she suggests (little more than vapid loli moe stereotypes), then they bear nothing in common with the well-rounded human characters of the Persona series. The problem isn't that the characters are underage and wind up in occasionally-suggestive situations, the problem is that the characters are nothing more than fanservice.

I've presented the evidence of Kat's knowledge of JRPGs and Japan as plainly as possible. I can't make you accept what's right under your nose, but there's no shame in admitting your errors.

I don't know her personally, but I do know that she didn't play the game for very long based on some of the things she said. I also know that I did beat the game, and it's nowhere near as bad as she said it was. There is only one or two characters that are very young, the rest of them are older. She makes it sound like every character is a over-sexualized loli, that isn't true and people who played it in-depth would know this.

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But then not every game has guys with huge muscles. Most JRPGs on the other hand have many striking similarities in their presentation, so much so that people who aren't huge fans of them can't tell many apart.

-Unreal-

Not all JRPGs look the same you know

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#99 Bigboi500
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Looks like this is something to avoid if you don't have a thing for little girls. ;)

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That's like saying anyone who collects firearms must be a Branch Davidian or a neo nazi. ;) Generalizations ftw!

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#100 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Looks like this is something to avoid if you don't have a thing for little girls. ;)

Bigboi500

That's like saying anyone who collects firearms must be a Branch Davidian or a neo nazi. ;) Generalizations ftw!

Crappy gameplay, crappy combat, crappy visuals...nope, not much there other than some lolis. :D But, hey, some people like that stuff.

Now, with guns...oh, there's so much to be had with guns. I can go into detail.