Hyperdimension Neptunia GS Review

[QUOTE="johny300"]The Good: Building combos can be rewarding The Bad:Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls , Visuals are choppy and poorly animated , Music is so repetitive that it verges on painful ,Story does little to build on promising premise , Random healing system is irritating and poorly executed.BPoole96

How is that bad?

.....welll let's see here

Characters are disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls

disturbingly sexualized caricatures of young girls

disturbingly sexualized young girls

:|

Why don't you take a seat right over there?

Also animal mother I would give you a cookie for a job well done bu bu but I'm all out of cookies ;_;

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

But then not every game has guys with huge muscles. Most JRPGs on the other hand have many striking similarities in their presentation, so much so that people who aren't huge fans of them can't tell many apart.

ZIVX

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

My main point is that you really can't try to say a reviewer doesn't like anything from Japan or JRPGs because she doesn't like sexualized young girls. Japan has plenty of enough content in anime and games that doesn't contain any of that. I've played tons of JRPGs and only a couple even contain that(Honestly can only think of Ar Tonelico and even then it's not as bad as Neptune...)

That'd be like me not liking Gears for its steriod and huge characters and someone saying I must not like anything from America even though there's PLENTY of stuff that doesn't contain that.

-Unreal-

Is still dont find it worthy of a negative point. Its like if japan did a review of gears and said this

negative

-Big steroid looking male characters looks silly

You can cry about it sure but dont let it affect the game itself. It makes the reviewer look just plain silly. Itsalso like me saying ugh this character has pink hair I hate that time to take away some points.

So does most wrpg like elvs and fantasy lands.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

Wow you pointed out some sterotypes, you look like you know a lot about JRPGs.

Yangire

1.) If you have a problem with cutesy, sexualized JRPGs then why by Star Ocean The Last Hope? There are plenty of pre-PS2 JRPGs that have no hint of any of that, you just sound like you have little to not experience with JRPGs.

2.) Sure it can get annoying but you play games for the gameplay, riiigghhtt? Just ignore the dialog if you want, I don't care about 99% of the stories I read.

3.) There you go stereotyping again, does it make you feel smart?

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

She was talking about Super Robot Taisen Z2, which doesn't exist in the US. She says in that very podcast that she spent about $90 importing it. She talks at length about how the Super Robot Taisen franchise gave exposure to certain formerly-obscure Japanese mecha anime.

As I pointed out in the edit I recently made, half of her DS games are Japanese. She's familiar with the genre, the culture, and its tropes. Some are better than others.

I haven't played Hyperdimension Neptunia, so I can't know for sure. But if the characters are as she suggests (little more than vapid loli moe stereotypes), then they bear nothing in common with the well-rounded human characters of the Persona series. The problem isn't that the characters are underage and wind up in occasionally-suggestive situations, the problem is that the characters are nothing more than fanservice.

I've presented the evidence of Kat's knowledge of JRPGs and Japan as plainly as possible. I can't make you accept what's right under your nose, but there's no shame in admitting your errors.

Bigboi500

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say that you know she hasn't played the game for very long.

She doesn't claim in the review that every character is an over-sexualized loli. For reference:

Characters like IF (short for Idea Factory) and Compa (Compile Heart) have their own look, but otherwise, they're almost completely devoid of personality, existing only as depressing stereotypes of vapid, sexy cuteness.The Kat Bailey Review

It's a problem no matter how old they seem. It's telling that you attempt to refute it not by saying that it doesn't exist, but by saying that it's endemic to the genre.

And just because you didn't know her personally doesn't mean that you can make ridiculous accusations about a Gamespot reviewer's actual game experience, up to and including saying that a weekly podcast she records about RPGs is completely unrelated to her own tastes, and that everything she says is "stuff off of a queue card that was written for her." In other words, that the entire Active Time Babble podcast is a lie. Just because she disagrees with your assessment of a game.

Could you be more presumptuous?

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Is still dont find it worthy of a negative point. Its like if japan did a review of gears and said this

negative

-Big steroid looking male characters looks silly

You can cry about it sure but dont let it affect the game itself. It makes the reviewer look just plain silly. Itsalso like me saying ugh this character has pink hair I hate that time to take away some points.

finalfantasy94

So does most wrpg like elvs and fantasy lands.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Looks like this is something to avoid if you don't have a thing for little girls. ;)

Verge_6

Now, with guns...oh, there's so much to be had with guns. I can go into detail.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That's like saying anyone who collects firearms must be a Branch Davidian or a neo nazi. ;) Generalizations ftw!

Bigboi500

Now, with guns...oh, there's so much to be had with guns. I can go into detail.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"] But then not every game has guys with huge muscles. Most JRPGs on the other hand have many striking similarities in their presentation, so much so that people who aren't huge fans of them can't tell many apart.

-Unreal-

So does most wrpg like elvs and fantasy lands.

Thats my point. wrpg can suffer from the similarites in presentation too.

Most of the girls in the game were easily as old as the Persona 3 & 4 girls were, so she's wrong there. She also said that the summons with pictures on them weren't powerful. They weren't powerful early on in the game, but were very powerful later on in the game. She obviously didn't know that. She also claimed all the references to other cl-assic games were vague and rare. They were early on but heavy later on. References to Gears of War being "Clogs of Battle" and Halo: Reach as "Hoops: Reach" were very funny. They also made a lot of fun of games like Mario, Blue Dragon, FF, and S.O.C.O.M. too, but she clearly never made it that far in, or had someone else play the game for her. The review was just one page also. Face it, the review was just all out bad, even though the game itself wasn't great.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

So does most wrpg like elvs and fantasy lands.

finalfantasy94

Thats my point. wrpg can suffer from the similarites in presentation too.

one of the worst games I've seen since rouge warrior.

I just realize this game score lower then the Last Rebellion.:lol:

Wanderer5

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Another flipty flopper for the PS3 :lol: nervmeister

Does anyone here even know what a flop is supposed to be, anymore?

But he didn't say flop he said 'flipty flopper' there's a difference.

Most of the girls in the game were easily as old as the Persona 3 & 4 girls were, so she's wrong there.

Bigboi500

The Persona girls aren't sexualized like they appear to be in this game. The closest they get to raunchy in the Persona games is the hot spring scene in P3.

Also, they may have been older, but they appear to be much younger (loli), and that bothers some people. It's a legitimate complaint, even if you (and me) don't agree with it.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Most of the girls in the game were easily as old as the Persona 3 & 4 girls were, so she's wrong there.

Guppy507

The Persona girls aren't sexualized like they appear to be in this game. The closest they get to raunchy in the Persona games is the hot spring scene in P3.

Also, they may have been older, but they appear to be much younger (loli), and that bothers some people. It's a legitimate complaint, even if you (and me) don't agree with it.

Most of the girls in the game were easily as old as the Persona 3 & 4 girls were, so she's wrong there. She also said that the summons with pictures on them weren't powerful. They weren't powerful early on in the game, but were very powerful later on in the game. She obviously didn't know that. She also claimed all the references to other cl-assic games were vague and rare. They were early on but heavy later on. References to Gears of War being "Clogs of Battle" and Halo: Reach as "Hoops: Reach" were very funny. They also made a lot of fun of games like Mario, Blue Dragon, FF, and S.O.C.O.M. too, but she clearly never made it that far in, or had someone else play the game for her. The review was just one page also. Face it, the review was just all out bad, even though the game itself wasn't great.

Bigboi500

Not only do you continue to miss the point of her criticism of the characters (the problem is that they're vapid fanservice stereotypes, not that they're young), but you continue to cling to the narrative you've constructed for yourself that there's no way she could have actually played the game she reviewed. This is the second time in the thread that you've claimed that her opinions are being fed to her by some unidentified third party, when all these disagreements could be explained by different personal perceptions of what is actually funny or useful.

Why do you jump for these excuses and conspiracy theories? I completely disagree with Gamespot's review of Nier, for example, but I wouldn't say that Kevin failed to play through the game. He just reacted strongly to flaws in the game that I didn't find particularly important.

Is your belief that Gamespot is out to victimize JRPG gamers by having non-fans review them so important to you that you can't let it go even when faced with evidence that you're wrong?

Poor FinalStar :(




:P

lundy86_4

what do you mean? i got the game and im haveing fun with it :). if i cared too much about numbers i would have probably missed too many good games

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Most of the girls in the game were easily as old as the Persona 3 & 4 girls were, so she's wrong there.

Bigboi500

The Persona girls aren't sexualized like they appear to be in this game. The closest they get to raunchy in the Persona games is the hot spring scene in P3.

Also, they may have been older, but they appear to be much younger (loli), and that bothers some people. It's a legitimate complaint, even if you (and me) don't agree with it.

what JRPGs have a high score in GS? (from this gen)

and NIS should stick with disgaea.....

Regent192

NISA is the publisher! their not the developer of this game ( except for disgaea ) and no they should keep bringing these games over. anyone not interested should stay away

[QUOTE="Luxen90"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

I just realize this game score lower then the Last Rebellion.:lol:

spookykid143

LR is worth a zero, the game is horrible

3.0? lol...

How is that bad?

BPoole96

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Most of the girls in the game were easily as old as the Persona 3 & 4 girls were, so she's wrong there. She also said that the summons with pictures on them weren't powerful. They weren't powerful early on in the game, but were very powerful later on in the game. She obviously didn't know that. She also claimed all the references to other cl-assic games were vague and rare. They were early on but heavy later on. References to Gears of War being "Clogs of Battle" and Halo: Reach as "Hoops: Reach" were very funny. They also made a lot of fun of games like Mario, Blue Dragon, FF, and S.O.C.O.M. too, but she clearly never made it that far in, or had someone else play the game for her. The review was just one page also. Face it, the review was just all out bad, even though the game itself wasn't great.

sonicmj1

Not only do you continue to miss the point of her criticism of the characters (the problem is that they're vapid fanservice stereotypes, not that they're young), but you continue to cling to the narrative you've constructed for yourself that there's no way she could have actually played the game she reviewed. This is the second time in the thread that you've claimed that her opinions are being fed to her by some unidentified third party, when all these disagreements could be explained by different personal perceptions of what is actually funny or useful.

Why do you jump for these excuses and conspiracy theories? I completely disagree with Gamespot's review of Nier, for example, but I wouldn't say that Kevin failed to play through the game. He just reacted strongly to flaws in the game that I didn't find particularly important.

Is your belief that Gamespot is out to victimize JRPG gamers by having non-fans review them so important to you that you can't let it go even when faced with evidence that you're wrong?

You've not disproven anything I've said, just made generalized assumptions like me. I've just stated my opinions and you're free to agree with them or not, I couldn't care less. You haven't even played the game, so why are you even talking about it? Believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. Umkay?

Bigboi500

You're completely missing the point, but whatever. I'll make you a tin foil hat some time.

Lol, oh damn. A little lower than I expected.

I knew the game wasnt going to be a hit critically but Im sure GS harshly rated it.

You're completely missing the point, but whatever. I'll make you a tin foil hat some time.

Guppy507

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Not only do you continue to miss the point of her criticism of the characters (the problem is that they're vapid fanservice stereotypes, not that they're young), but you continue to cling to the narrative you've constructed for yourself that there's no way she could have actually played the game she reviewed. This is the second time in the thread that you've claimed that her opinions are being fed to her by some unidentified third party, when all these disagreements could be explained by different personal perceptions of what is actually funny or useful.

Why do you jump for these excuses and conspiracy theories? I completely disagree with Gamespot's review of Nier, for example, but I wouldn't say that Kevin failed to play through the game. He just reacted strongly to flaws in the game that I didn't find particularly important.

Is your belief that Gamespot is out to victimize JRPG gamers by having non-fans review them so important to you that you can't let it go even when faced with evidence that you're wrong?

Bigboi500

I can't stop you from liking Neptunia. Go ahead. More power to you.

It just annoys me when people assume that the only way a review could disagree with their perception of the game is due to reviewer incompetence or intentional tampering. You did both.

All of these are from this thread.

• Who the heck is Kat Bailey? It's obvious that who ever that person is they didn't play very far into the game. The criticisms about the battle system are somewhat legit, but everything else is way off. It's pretty clear that this Kat person isn't a hardcore RPG gamer.
• GameSpot always uses FPS fans to review FPS games, and FPS fans to review JRPGs these days.
• She only played a few hours of the game, so she must be used to playing 4 hour FPS campaigns.
• If she's a hardcore JRPG fan, she should be familiar with such things. She probably reads stuff off of a queue card that was written for her.
• she clearly never made it that far in, or had someone else play the game for her.

Bigboi500

Those aren't opinions. Those are accusations which you have made because your opinion differs from her opinion. Some of them are actually remarkable offensive, when you think about their implications. They're what I'm arguing with you about, and they've become more and more outrageous the more you were pressed to defend them.

I don't care at all if you disagree with a reviewer about a game. But you don't need to paint them as inexperienced, negligent, or completely false to justify your view.

You've not disproven anything I've said, just made generalized assumptions like me. I've just stated my opinions and you're free to agree with them or not, I couldn't care less. You haven't even played the game, so why are you even talking about it? Believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. Umkay?

Bigboi500

Oh, I don't know about that...

Saying "she clearly never made it that far in, or had someone else play the game for her" is a pretty damning accusation and implies that you have some sort of factual basis to back up your claims. Considering that you've been arguing this point as strongly as you have with absolutely no evidence to back you up beyond what you assume the reviewer didn't notice about the game or flat out couldn't have seen because she didn't play all of it, your argument is pretty weak and pointing out that he made "generalized assumptions" while in the same proverbial breath saying that you did the same thing doesn't help matters.

everybody's too busy arguing to notice my nice simple joke...

*goes in corner*

i'm funnyyy :( :cry:

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]

You're completely missing the point, but whatever. I'll make you a tin foil hat some time.

Bigboi500

Stop taking things so seriously brah, I just think she didn't play the game based on what I read in her review, and given good examples of it. If she did beat the game, then that makes here either unable to retain good memory of playing it, or at the very least she submitted a very poor review based on the general and vague nature of such a short review.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]

You're completely missing the point, but whatever. I'll make you a tin foil hat some time.

Guppy507

everybody's too busy arguing to notice my nice simple joke...

*goes in corner*

i'm funnyyy :( :cry:

MaskedHoodlum

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Ya know, you can hope for the best in a JRPG and at least hope HOPE it'll be good. But this gen JRPGs have consistently been beaten down with a baseball bat. but then again they haven't changed much at all.

Luxen90

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]And I'll wear it for you when you put on the dunce cap I make you for talking about games you're not familiar with.

Konxumer

I never once said anything positive or negative about HN. All I said was that the characters are more sexualized than the Persona girls, and it's absolutely true.

I give the game a month till it drops to poverty status. I'll get it if I can find it for 10$ :3

The game has always looked rather awful... why are people vehemently defending it?

I've never even heard of it.

The game has always looked rather awful... why are people vehemently defending it?

shinrabanshou

I personally don't care at all about scores and play and enjoy everything as long as the game itself isn't broken.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Poor FinalStar :(




:P

finalstar2007

what do you mean? i got the game and im haveing fun with it :). if i cared too much about numbers i would have probably missed too many good games

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Poor FinalStar :(




:P

Animal-Mother

what do you mean? i got the game and im haveing fun with it :). if i cared too much about numbers i would have probably missed too many good games