HYPOCRISY: If Kingdoms of Amalur is marked down for being generic, than why.....

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#1 texasgoldrush
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wasn't Dragon Age Origins? Same reviewer as well. Nevermind the fact that DAO also had generic plot, generic quests, generic characters, and generic world. The orcs are coming and we need a hero to stop them. The hero recruits every fantasy cliche imaginable was his party, goes through some very cliched sidequests, and ends in a very cliched way. The whole game was a rip off of LOTRs and parts of Ice and fire. Way to move the goalposts...... And its quite hilarious when Kevin says that Oghren was a stronger dwarven presence in DAO than Varric was in DAII...I wonder why? Maybe because Oghren was highly generic....lol. Also, another fail, Varric is a far better character than Oghren ever was. Even those that don't like DAII like him.
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#2 freedomfreak
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oh god...

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It brings a manly tear to my eye seeing so many a brave soul defend this epic game till their dieing breath. Shine on, you brave warriors, shine on.

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#4 Heil68
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Money..it's all about the money and cheese whiz.
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Oghren may have been generic and worse of a character than Varric (whom I really liked), put him with Zevran, he's a freaking genius. But I agree with you mostly, DAO's story was extremely boring. I fell asleep while I was getting to Broodmother. But the lore wasn't.
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Money..it's all about the money and cheese whiz. Heil68
I like cheeze whiz. :)
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#7 santoron
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I asked the exact same question in the comments of his review, TC. Really hoping to get an answer.

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It brings a manly tear to my eye seeing so many a brave soul defend this epic game till their dieing breath. Shine on, you brave warriors, shine on.

Master_ShakeXXX
I am not defending Amalur at all....
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[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"]Oghren may have been generic and worse of a character than Varric (whom I really liked), put him with Zevran, he's a freaking genius. But I agree with you mostly, DAO's story was extremely boring. I fell asleep while I was getting to Broodmother. But the lore wasn't.

Zervan was HK47 as an elf...and found his cameo appearance in DAII god awful.
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#11 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

It brings a manly tear to my eye seeing so many a brave soul defend this epic game till their dieing breath. Shine on, you brave warriors, shine on.

texasgoldrush

I am not defending Amalur at all....

Oh? Well **** you then!

Ha just kidding.

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#12 texasgoldrush
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It's just a review, an opinion of the game. He probably liked DA:O more for whatever reason, just like you apparently like KoA more for whatever reason. If you like the game just play it, make thread on how great it is and all that... don't come crying about it's reviews.

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actually I am not getting Amalur...I am going to play the directors last game instead, Ultima V Lazarus. Why? Its not generic. It just goes to show how overrated DAO is. Kevin clearly moves the goalposts here.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"]Oghren may have been generic and worse of a character than Varric (whom I really liked), put him with Zevran, he's a freaking genius. But I agree with you mostly, DAO's story was extremely boring. I fell asleep while I was getting to Broodmother. But the lore wasn't.

Zervan was HK47 as an elf...and found his cameo appearance in DAII god awful.

I really don't know how you came to that comparison, though I would agree that his cameo appearance was less than pleasing.
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#15 Masculus
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Maybe the game just suck.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

It's just a review, an opinion of the game. He probably liked DA:O more for whatever reason, just like you apparently like KoA more for whatever reason. If you like the game just play it, make thread on how great it is and all that... don't come crying about it's reviews.

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actually I am not getting Amalur...I am going to play the directors last game instead, Ultima V Lazarus. Why? Its not generic. It just goes to show how overrated DAO is.

You playing some other game show's DA:O is overrated.........how? Just curious bro :P Anyway I didn't defend either game. I just said that it's pointless to cry over reviews. If you like the game just play it, that's all.

No, I am criticizing the reviewer here for moving the goal posts..why did DAO get a pass when Amalur doesn't? Why not judge by the same standards?
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#17 Tykain
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All of GS reviewers are unconsistent, it's nothing new. A game gets knocked down for being too much of the same, meanwhile the latest CoD gets a free pass. Another game is criticized because of technical issues, while Skyrim's ones are ignored, and so on...
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[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] actually I am not getting Amalur...I am going to play the directors last game instead, Ultima V Lazarus. Why? Its not generic. It just goes to show how overrated DAO is.texasgoldrush
You playing some other game show's DA:O is overrated.........how? Just curious bro :P Anyway I didn't defend either game. I just said that it's pointless to cry over reviews. If you like the game just play it, that's all.

No, I am criticizing the reviewer here for moving the goal posts..why did DAO get a pass when Amalur doesn't? Why not judge by the same standards?

DAO was more hyped I guess. I have never been a fan of KVO as a reviewer at all and never pay attention to his reviews at all. As far as the games though I lkiked both Dragon Ages and I like the KoA demo.

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#19 percech
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I really don't get why this isn't getting 9s. It's a highly accessible game. It quickly immerses you into the world. Looting is so addicting.
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#20 loosingENDS
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Maybe because was a far better quality generic, like Skyrim

Amalur is the lowest quality RPG i have seen in years, even Bastion seems to have vastly better production values

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#21 heretrix
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:lol: Man, you guys can be so freaking pathetic sometimes.

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#22 TomatoDragonPSN
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Maybe because was a far better quality generic, like Skyrim

Amalur is the lowest quality RPG i have seen in years, even Bastion seems to have vastly better production values

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Wow...you're on a mission, aren't you? ;)
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#23 CaseyWegner
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the game didn't get a 10 so...

and btw, things aren't marked down. they're built up.

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[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] actually I am not getting Amalur...I am going to play the directors last game instead, Ultima V Lazarus. Why? Its not generic. It just goes to show how overrated DAO is.texasgoldrush
You playing some other game show's DA:O is overrated.........how? Just curious bro :P Anyway I didn't defend either game. I just said that it's pointless to cry over reviews. If you like the game just play it, that's all.

No, I am criticizing the reviewer here for moving the goal posts..why did DAO get a pass when Amalur doesn't? Why not judge by the same standards?

DAO has better writing

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#25 illmatic87
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Yes, because what you said are facts, texasgoldrush..

Personally, I thought the underlying world in DA:O: the politics, the racial structure turned the typical high-fantasy tropes on their head. It's terribly generic from an aesthetic standpoint.

Anyway, type away texasgoldrush. Kev gets paid for his opinions - you dont. And maybe, just maybe, that one day, you'll understand what an opinion is and when that time comes, you'll at least be almost half the homosexual man Kevin VanOrd is.

You're welcome.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Desmonic"] You playing some other game show's DA:O is overrated.........how? Just curious bro :P Anyway I didn't defend either game. I just said that it's pointless to cry over reviews. If you like the game just play it, that's all.jettpack

No, I am criticizing the reviewer here for moving the goal posts..why did DAO get a pass when Amalur doesn't? Why not judge by the same standards?

DAO has better writing

This is probably the correct answer. KoA's dialogue didn't seem all that great either. Though there was one moment in the demo where I accused that old Fateweaver guy of being drunk and he replied back "I am"

Freakin hilarious.

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#29 santoron
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I don't see the resistance to an honest question, and one that KVO himself had to figure he'd have to answer from time to time when he decided to "evolve" his standards. I commend him for wanting to move to what he considers a better, more honest scoring criteria, but it was his own inflated scoring that has people wondering exactly where new games like KoA fit. I know, some here simply ignore all/some reviewers at this point, and while I understand that sentiment, I hardly think that's what KVO is shooting for. What harm is there in helping your readers understand your change in thinking in the context of other, similar games you've reviewed before?

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#30 ShadowMoses900
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Hmm...I thought this thread was going to say COD, I am surprised.

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Yes, because what you said are facts, texasgoldrush..

Personally, I thought the underlying world in DA:O: the politics, the racial structure turned the typical high-fantasy tropes on their head. It's terribly generic from an aesthetic standpoint.

Anyway, type away texasgoldrush. Kev gets paid for his opinions - you dont. And maybe, just maybe, that one day, you'll understand what an opinion is and when that time comes, you'll at least be almost half the homosexual man Kevin VanOrd is.

You're welcome.

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and yet, the Ultima series, especially Ultima VI, and The Witcher also had racial structures...there is no head turning here, just more copying. And really, the City Elf Origin is so Witcher, its not even funny. Racial and magic politics are no longer original. The underlying world is one big ripoff. The reason why DAII is more original is story structure and premise, the themes and lore in that game are not.
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[QUOTE="illmatic87"]

Yes, because what you said are facts, texasgoldrush..

Personally, I thought the underlying world in DA:O: the politics, the racial structure turned the typical high-fantasy tropes on their head. It's terribly generic from an aesthetic standpoint.

Anyway, type away texasgoldrush. Kev gets paid for his opinions - you dont. And maybe, just maybe, that one day, you'll understand what an opinion is and when that time comes, you'll at least be almost half the homosexual man Kevin VanOrd is.

You're welcome.

texasgoldrush

and yet, the Ultima series, especially Ultima VI, and The Witcher also had racial structures...there is no head turning here, just more copying. And really, the City Elf Origin is so Witcher, its not even funny. Racial and magic politics are no longer original. The underlying world is one big ripoff. The reason why DAII is more original is story structure and premise, the themes and lore in that game are not.

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I liked the fact that you had to try and drag bitterness towards the DA2 review into your topic. Please, get over that for your own sake. Now, please keep in mind DA:O came out years ago, well before Amalur was released. Standards, expectations and values change. They're always changing. We have years worth of change between these games. It's not hard to understand sonny.
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#34 dracolich55
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PLease, DA:O is teh best Bioware game this gen. better than Gears Effect 2- I mean Mass Effect 2.
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I liked the fact that you had to try and drag bitterness towards the DA2 review into your topic. Please, get over that for your own sake. Now, please keep in mind DA:O came out years ago, well before Amalur was released. Standards, expectations and values change. They're always changing. We have years worth of change between these games. It's not hard to understand sonny.

So in late 2009, being generic wasn't a problem? Get real.
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The reason why DAII is more original is story structure and premise, the themes and lore in that game are not.texasgoldrush
And the reason no one likes DA2 is because it's a fairly poor game. What's different, even in the land of video game tales doesn't salvage it. It's about the sum of its parts, not cherry picking what was done before and scrutinising it for it.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] The reason why DAII is more original is story structure and premise, the themes and lore in that game are not.skrat_01
And the reason no one likes DA2 is because it's a fairly poor game. What's different, even in the land of video game tales doesn't salvage it. It's about the sum of its parts, not cherry picking what was done before and scrutinising it for it.

and yet people do, the game has even have above 90 reviews. And I would rate DAII far lower than 90.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]I liked the fact that you had to try and drag bitterness towards the DA2 review into your topic. Please, get over that for your own sake. Now, please keep in mind DA:O came out years ago, well before Amalur was released. Standards, expectations and values change. They're always changing. We have years worth of change between these games. It's not hard to understand sonny.

So in late 2009, being generic wasn't a problem? Get real.

Well at that stage, in the context of reviewing DA:O to VanOrd - a video game - no it wasn't that much of a big deal to get in the way of it, probably due to its merits shining over that. Three years later the same reviewer finds a different game more glaring in this respect, despite the sum of its merits. Good grief kid, someone has different values to you, yet can actually write well, carries credibility and does it professionally. Hop down off the soapbox and stop taking reviews, even those from *three years ago* so personally.
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#39 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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OP can just replace "Dragon Age: Origins" with any recent BioWare game and it'd still be pretty accurate.

I don't care for Amalur besides the fact that Curt Schilling was involved and he's awesome.

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#40 skrat_01
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and yet people do, the game has even have above 90 reviews. And I would rate DAII far lower than 90.texasgoldrush
People have different opinions, and perspectives. If they think the game is worth whatever numerical value, I don't really care. What it boils down to the written content. I'd be happy with a written review handing out a 90 something to Dragon Age 2, if it's well written justified piece; and instead there's something like the PC Gamer review which was everything but that.
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]I liked the fact that you had to try and drag bitterness towards the DA2 review into your topic. Please, get over that for your own sake. Now, please keep in mind DA:O came out years ago, well before Amalur was released. Standards, expectations and values change. They're always changing. We have years worth of change between these games. It's not hard to understand sonny.

So in late 2009, being generic wasn't a problem? Get real.

Well at that stage, in the context of reviewing DA:O to VanOrd - a video game - no it wasn't that much of a big deal to get in the way of it, probably due to its merits shining over that. Three years later the same reviewer finds a different game more glaring in this respect, despite the sum of its merits. Good grief kid, someone has different values to you, yet can actually write well, carries credibility and does it professionally. Hop down off the soapbox and stop taking reviews, even those from *three years ago* so personally.

and you move the goalposts as well.... so the obvious LOTRs ripoff is NOT glaring....please. Games have been criticized for being generic way before DAO.
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#42 texasgoldrush
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OP can just replace "Dragon Age: Origins" with any recent BioWare game and it'd still be pretty accurate.

I don't care for Amalur besides the fact that Curt Schilling was involved and he's awesome.

Aljosa23
Is Jade Empire generic? Nope. Mass Effect has some generic parts, but the sum of those parts is not generic. Not like DAO.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and you move the goalposts as well.... so the obvious LOTRs ripoff is NOT glaring....please. Games have been criticized for being generic way before DAO.

Yes they have, it's not exclusive to games. As I said, it depends on the critic, and if you don't keep the context of timeframe, and the individual titles in mind then you're going to act like an irrational prat - which screaming hypocrisy like a ranting child on the internet is. I think DA:O was dull beyond belief, and low and behold the reviewer could look past that. Goodo, your opinion isn't the rule, and nor is Kevin's.
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Is Jade Empire generic? Nope. Mass Effect has some generic parts, but the sum of those parts is not generic. Not like DAO.texasgoldrush
BioWare's portrayal of China has been done in just about every Wuxia film but in video games, sure. It wasn't all that generic but I'd hardly consider that a recent game.

It also sucked.

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While Dragon Age's story wasn't exactly original, nor was the art design or presentation, the characters in the game world were done exceptionally well thanks to good writing and sharp voice acting, and the setting had a number or interesting locations fleshed out by the game's lore.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

OP can just replace "Dragon Age: Origins" with any recent BioWare game and it'd still be pretty accurate.

I don't care for Amalur besides the fact that Curt Schilling was involved and he's awesome.

texasgoldrush

Is Jade Empire generic? Nope. Mass Effect has some generic parts, but the sum of those parts is not generic. Not like DAO.

OK, can I ask you something? WHY should we care? That's your opinion. Your opinion doesn't mean that the game is indeed generic and boring for the rest of us.

Seriously, are you all trying to take DarkLink down from his pedestal as being the Most Egotistical Person on System Wars? This ain't the way to do it, ya know.

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While Dragon Age's story wasn't exactly original, nor was the art design or presentation, the characters in the game world were done exceptionally well thanks to good writing and sharp voice acting, and the setting had a number or interesting locations fleshed out by the game's lore.

brickdoctor
And yet the characters are ripped from Bioware's past games, please, Allistair is just Carth as a "knight". Everything in that game is recycled. The dialogue is decent, but the story is unfocused. In fact they spent too much on the lore that has nothing to do with plot.
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#48 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

OP can just replace "Dragon Age: Origins" with any recent BioWare game and it'd still be pretty accurate.

I don't care for Amalur besides the fact that Curt Schilling was involved and he's awesome.

Goyoshi12

Is Jade Empire generic? Nope. Mass Effect has some generic parts, but the sum of those parts is not generic. Not like DAO.

OK, can I ask you something? WHY should we care? That's your opinion. Your opinion doesn't mean that the game is indeed generic and boring for the rest of us.

Seriously, are you all trying to take DarkLink down from his pedestal as being the Most Egotistical Person on System Wars? This ain't the way to do it, ya know.

And how credible does a reviewer that changes his standards or apllies double standards? That is the point of this. Reviewers have double standards...like how Assassin's Creed Revelations scores are brought down for being a rehash while Modern Warfare 3 does the same thing. They should be criticized.
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#49 MrJack3690
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I think it's two reasons:

1. Standards over time, gotta realize even though it's been only almost a year standards may have changed? idk, just a guess though.

2. Notice GS is getting more harsh on their reviews, this gen has lasted quite a while, so they're probably starting to have pretty high expectations, or are just ready for some 'Next Gen' experiences.

Again, just guesses.

Also, DA II review in 'The Bad' section: "Main story lacks focus and drive." Sounds like another way of saying 'Generic story'

Also, it's .5 points lower on the score, a year later, not that big of a difference, had this game released around this time last year, maybe it too would be an 8.0. If you're going by score when talking about his judgement in quality.

Oh, and also, it's his opinion. You may like the story, so why not write a review and put your opinions as to why you think it's above average?

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DAO didn't have generic quests or generic characters, hell the dialogue and characters were exceptionally well done. Bah, what am I saying. I'm talking to a person who think DAII is ****ing Pulitzer prize worthy. I'll give you the high fantasy setting is generic, but they created their own lore around it which helped give it some character.