HYPOCRISY: If Kingdoms of Amalur is marked down for being generic, than why.....

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and a consensus of opinions is fact.....DAO being known for being generic is one as fans and reviewers time and time again say it lacks originality, same with KoA...same with how DAII is cirticized for bad world design and repititve dungeons, and designers look at consensus.texasgoldrush

If the consensus of opinions said jumping off of cliffs was a good thing, would you do it?

Group of people gather around and everyone says jumping off of cliffs is fun. So the general consensus is that jumping off cliffs in the group (one that hypothetically you are in) is fun. Would you still do it?

Yeah, and Bioware completley misheard the praise and critique and screwed up the game. OH BUT DATS MY OPINION THAT IS COMPLETLEY WRONG! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! :roll:

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

If the consensus of opinions said jumping off of cliffs was a good thing, would you do it?

Goyoshi12

Group of people gather around and everyone says jumping off of cliffs is fun. So the general consensus is that jumping off cliffs in the group (one that hypothetically you are in) is fun. Would you still do it?

Yeah, and Bioware completley misheard the praise and critique and screwed up the game. OH BUT DATS MY OPINION THAT IS COMPLETLEY WRONG! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! :roll:

New review

http://www.bigredbarrel.com/2012/02/review-kingdoms-of-amalur-reckoning/

"Uninterestingthrough and through"

2/5

And people suggest this garbage is better than Fable !!!!

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] I do get it, but a "great" story that is generic is still a generic story. And really DAO is not a great story. The narrative is generic, the mid game stories only loosely connects to the plot, the villian Loghain is atrocious (he is no Blackthorne, a similiar villian of Ultima V who tries to usurp the kingdom's throne), and the characters are just generic clones of past Bioware characters. DAO never takes any risks and never sets itself apart from more inspired RPGs with more original narratives like Mask of the Betrayer. The problem with DAO fans is that they don't think the game is broken or needs changing. They want more of the same. They do not get the fact that DAO wasn't good enough to be rehashed and Bioware saw this. So DAII already lost before it was even released with its story premise and voice acted hero. And whats really stupid is that fans complained that Leliana comes back if she "dies" but wanted the sequel to follow up on Morrigan's "god baby" which most players didn't even have her get. Then they criticize DAII for not being a "true sequel", wow. The real problem with DAII was NOT the direction it took (the storytelling direction and the character direction it took was not only great, it was necessary in an attempt to set it apart from other RPG narratives), it is the fact that it was rushed out the door well before it was even finished, like Ultima VIII: Pagan or KOTOR II were. And this was not the DA teams first rush job, DAO's expansion was rushed as well. However, DAO took far TOO LONG and it was outdated shortly. The game looked so 2006, not one for 2009. The series has never been great, maybe DAIII will be the first great game, or it will remain Bioware's "B" franchise behind Mass Effect and the next IP the main team puts out.texasgoldrush

See I don't go around passing myself as the ultimate internet authority on story and DUH CHARACURS.

You're the one who can't get over opinions, so you make the same thread over and over again, and turn other threads towards the same topic.

SW posters are regulars here, you're just annoying the same people again and again and you're bumping your own threads to the point of ridiculousness.

Nobody really gives a **** stop playing an internet intellectual and some sort of authority on storytelling.

and yet you fail at simple logic...lol You and your unrealistic invented standards and your excuses for these double standards. You are like a politician, trying to worm away out of someones hypocrisy. And you calling me an idiot...ok And if wanting games to be judged fairly puts me on a "pedestal" so be it. I call spade a spade thats all....texasgoldrush

You're an idiot because you're utterly failing to respond to my points, you're an idiot for acting like a pretentious prat, trying their hardest to come across as well versed and intelligent with self sabotaging utter garbled nonsense, and you're an idiot for putting yourself on an arrogant pedestal ruling your opinion is factual - despite acting like a stupid dolt

A constant circle of your own stupidity.
Which as far as I'm concerned is just sad for your own sake, and also fairly amusing as are internet juveniles.

Here's hoping you grow out of it.
So,again.

No I don't even care any more, you're beyond even looking at the individual context of reviews, critiques and opinions this side of timespans - as far as I'm concerned you're an idiot on this topic, and should sit down and say this - [QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and standards and opinions must be consistant and if their is a change in standards or opinions...note that. Otherwise, you have double standards...like US Foriegn Policy. And once again, even if the "positives" overcome its generic narrative, that still means the narrtive is generic and doesn't change this fact. Overlooking is double standard. Its you who are idiotically defending this double standard. skrat_01

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] The real problem here is that you think that your opinion is some kind of irrefutable fact. You're also a pretentious prickGeneralShowzer

See I don't go around passing myself as the ultimate internet authority on story and DUH CHARACURS.

You're the one who can't get over opinions, so you make the same thread over and over again, and turn other threads towards the same topic.

SW posters are regulars here, you're just annoying the same people again and again and you're bumping your own threads to the point of ridiculousness.

Nobody really gives a **** stop playing an internet intellectual and some sort of authority on storytelling.

and i thought i was the only one that thinks this.

and a consensus of opinions is fact.....texasgoldrush

Good god no.

That's an utterly disgusting notion.
Remember what I posted above, what I said about you? Well you just turned it up the horrible impression you give up to11.

Just wow.
So if enough people say a circle is a square, then it totally is a square right?
Argumentum Ad Populum is not a rule kid.

Wow.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]No, that's GameSpot's standards which writer like Kevin have reiterated, and the very basic logic that as more good games are released, general expectations generally increase, so on and so fourth. An extremely common trend.You're an idiot because you're utterly failing to respond to my points, you're an idiot for acting like a pretentious prat, trying their hardest to come across as well versed and intelligent with self sabotaging utter garbled nonsense, and you're an idiot for putting yourself on an arrogant pedestal ruling your opinion is factual - despite acting like a stupid doltA constant circle of your own stupidity. Which as far as I'm concerned is just sad for your own sake, and also fairly amusing as are internet juveniles.Here's hoping you grow out of it.So,again. [QUOTE="skrat_01"]No I don't even care any more, you're beyond even looking at the individual context of reviews, critiques and opinions this side of timespans - as far as I'm concerned you're an idiot on this topic, and should sit down and say this - [QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and standards and opinions must be consistant and if their is a change in standards or opinions...note that. Otherwise, you have double standards...like US Foriegn Policy. And once again, even if the "positives" overcome its generic narrative, that still means the narrtive is generic and doesn't change this fact. Overlooking is double standard. Its you who are idiotically defending this double standard. skrat_01

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and a consensus of opinions is fact.....skrat_01

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and yet you fail at simple logic...lol You and your unrealistic invented standards and your excuses for these double standards. You are like a politician, trying to worm away out of someones hypocrisy. And you calling me an idiot...ok And if wanting games to be judged fairly puts me on a "pedestal" so be it. I call spade a spade thats all....skrat_01

You're an idiot because you're utterly failing to respond to my points, you're an idiot for acting like a pretentious prat, trying their hardest to come across as well versed and intelligent with self sabotaging utter garbled nonsense, and you're an idiot for putting yourself on an arrogant pedestal ruling your opinion is factual - despite acting like a stupid dolt

A constant circle of your own stupidity.
Which as far as I'm concerned is just sad for your own sake, and also fairly amusing as are internet juveniles.

Here's hoping you grow out of it.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] out loud to yourself, and if that fails to the nearest friend, family, or loved one. It takes a certain idiot to put themselves on a pedestal and simultaneously make themselves look like a fool. You sir have done both, so that neatly sits you in the category of pretentious internet juvenile. Easymode.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and yet you moronically still have not responded to my posts....... How is a generic story done well any less generic?texasgoldrush

and yet you moronically still have not responded to my posts....... How is a generic story done well any less generic?texasgoldrush

I never said the setting and fiction or plot was any less generic, what I did say is expectations change as do opinions and interpretation; and that quantifying critism out of context is entirely stupid.

Which has been my point all along.
However you failed to address any of my points surrounding that, unremarkable.

Whelp, again:

It takes a certain idiot to put themselves on a pedestal and simultaneously make themselves look like a fool. You sir have done both, so that neatly sits you in the category of pretentious internet juvenile. Skrat_01

Opinion: Godfather is a great movie. Fact: Godfather is widely considered to be a great movie. Simple logic you are not getting.....Argumentum Ad Populum nothing, and you are misrepresenting the term. Nevermind the fact that game companies use consensus to fix flaws in their games.texasgoldrush

Yes it widely beingconsidered to be a great movie is a fact. That's called popular recognition, a popular consensus. Argumentum ad Populum is 'if it's widely regarded as a being great, then it must be factually great'. Argumentum ad Populum is also bull****.

It it being a well made, cast, written, executed and technically competent movie is separate.

There's a difference between popular recognition and actual fact. Consensus is just consensus, and if you're implying consensus rules are and is definitive as overwhelmingly factual (even generalising about games development), you're just as stupid as your first quote applied.

Again. Lets keep it nice and simple for you:

So if enough people say a circle is a square then that's a fact?

Cry more?

jg4xchamp

New review

http://www.bigredbarrel.com/2012/02/review-kingdoms-of-amalur-reckoning/

"Uninterestingthrough and through"

2/5

And people suggest this garbage is better than Fable !!!!

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

Cry more?

skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

Cry more?

jg4xchamp

curt schilling is the man

Hell no. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Hell no. skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Hell no. jg4xchamp

I don't know why either. Seems Edge was the only one brave enough to give that game a critical review.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] It wouldn't make it any less generic, but you're glossing over basic concepts such as Other elements of a videogame. Last I checked they didn't slam Amalur for just a generic game world. They didn't praise DA: O for only its gameworld A person's disagreement that there are enough new wrinkles in DA: O to make that universe interesting inspite of its generic design(for the record I think Dragon Age is uninspired nonsense). Game standards in general. What was capable of getting a 9 in 2009 may not get a 9 in 2011. Expectations change, standards evolve, and other games come out to move the bar. Amalur comes out after games like Witcher 2, SKyrim, and Dragon Age 2 released. To be fair to both reviews. He didn't overlook Origins lack of originality. He argued why it wasn't an issue to him. Where as with Amalur he found nothing of interest to him that made that world less generic. It's actually a fairly simple concept that you're throwing a hissy fit over.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] I am actually ignoring score in this entire thread, its his review itself I am more concerned about. And really arguing that something isn't an issue to me doesn't make that issue go away. I don't think mining in ME2 was much of an issue, doesn't mean that criticism doesn't exist.texasgoldrush

Yes it widely being considered to be a great movie is a fact. That's called popular recognition, a popular consensusArgumentum ad Populum if it's widely regarded as a being great, then it must be factually great'. Argumentum ad Populum is also It it being a well made, cast, written, executed and technically competent movie is separate.There's a difference between popular recognition and actual fact.Consensus is just consensus, and if you're implying consensus rules are and is definitive as overwhelmingly factual (even generalising about games development), you're just as stupid as your first quote applied. Again. Lets keep it nice and simple for you So if enough people say a circle is a square then that's a fact?skrat_01

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Yes it widely being considered to be a great movie is a fact. That's called popular recognition, a popular consensusArgumentum ad Populum if it's widely regarded as a being great, then it must be factually great'. Argumentum ad Populum is also It it being a well made, cast, written, executed and technically competent movie is separate.There's a difference between popular recognition and actual fact.Consensus is just consensus, and if you're implying consensus rules are and is definitive as overwhelmingly factual (even generalising about games development), you're just as stupid as your first quote applied. Again. Lets keep it nice and simple for you So if enough people say a circle is a square then that's a fact?texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and yet you moronically still have not responded to my posts....... How is a generic story done well any less generic?Shinobishyguy

Just because something falls under "nothing new" doesn't mean that same thing is also "generic". It could just as easily be something that isn't brought up in a lot of cases. Besides how is this a bias? I don't think he disregards the concept of it being a familiar setting. He just says it does enough different things to keep him engaged. Where as Amalur he found nothing of note. And you can totally mitigate the lack of originality for something with just good execution. As a game Dragon Age origins executed in his mind at a high level(in more than just game worlds). When it comes to Amalur it didn't. The game world wasn't the only reason Amalur was criticized, and the game world wasn't Origins largest praise.jg4xchamp

Critics call Godfather one of the greatest films ever" would fall into Argumentum ad Populum. A consensus opinion is not a fact. It's just a popular opinion. Admittedly I come from the thought that thinking The Godfather sucks makes one an idiot, but it doesn't mean a consensus opinion on its greatness makes it a fact. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] It wouldn't make it any less generic, but you're glossing over basic concepts such as

-Other elements of a videogame. Last I checked they didn't slam Amalur for just a generic game world. They didn't praise DA: O for only its gameworld
-A person's disagreement that there are enough new wrinkles in DA: O to make that universe interesting inspite of its generic design(for the record I think Dragon Age is uninspired nonsense).
-Game standards in general. What was capable of getting a 9 in 2009 may not get a 9 in 2011. Expectations change, standards evolve, and other games come out to move the bar. Amalur comes out after games like Witcher 2, SKyrim, and Dragon Age 2 released.

To be fair to both reviews. He didn't overlook Origins lack of originality. He argued why it wasn't an issue to him. Where as with Amalur he found nothing of interest to him that made that world less generic. It's actually a fairly simple concept that you're throwing a hissy fit over.

jg4xchamp

Generic lore aside even Amalur puts it to shame

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Did you just list Dragon age 2 as a game that raises the bar :|

Shinobishyguy

Generic lore aside even Amalur puts it to shame

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] It wouldn't make it any less generic, but you're glossing over basic concepts such as

-Other elements of a videogame. Last I checked they didn't slam Amalur for just a generic game world. They didn't praise DA: O for only its gameworld
-A person's disagreement that there are enough new wrinkles in DA: O to make that universe interesting inspite of its generic design(for the record I think Dragon Age is uninspired nonsense).
-Game standards in general. What was capable of getting a 9 in 2009 may not get a 9 in 2011. Expectations change, standards evolve, and other games come out to move the bar. Amalur comes out after games like Witcher 2, SKyrim, and Dragon Age 2 released.

To be fair to both reviews. He didn't overlook Origins lack of originality. He argued why it wasn't an issue to him. Where as with Amalur he found nothing of interest to him that made that world less generic. It's actually a fairly simple concept that you're throwing a hissy fit over.

jg4xchamp

again calling dragon age 2 anything but crap? :lol:

I do have one major complaint right now, well 2 actually.

This games extremely easy, I'm playing on the hardest difficulty, about lvl 28 and i'm taking out oranges before they can touch me at all, I'm a pure mage.

blacksmithing is OP as hell, you can make the best equipment and not even have to worry about set pieces.

This games extremely easy, I'm playing on the hardest difficulty, about lvl 28 and i'm taking out oranges before they can touch me at all, I'm a pure mage.

blacksmithing is OP as hell, you can make the best equipment and not even have to worry about set pieces.

ReadingRainbow4

Yet it got an 9.0

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] It wouldn't make it any less generic, but you're glossing over basic concepts such as

-Other elements of a videogame. Last I checked they didn't slam Amalur for just a generic game world. They didn't praise DA: O for only its gameworld
-A person's disagreement that there are enough new wrinkles in DA: O to make that universe interesting inspite of its generic design(for the record I think Dragon Age is uninspired nonsense).
-Game standards in general. What was capable of getting a 9 in 2009 may not get a 9 in 2011. Expectations change, standards evolve, and other games come out to move the bar. Amalur comes out after games like Witcher 2, SKyrim, and Dragon Age 2 released.

To be fair to both reviews. He didn't overlook Origins lack of originality. He argued why it wasn't an issue to him. Where as with Amalur he found nothing of interest to him that made that world less generic. It's actually a fairly simple concept that you're throwing a hissy fit over.

jg4xchamp

If you want people to buy Amular don't Mention Dragon Age 2... For many of us the tradegy of last years pre-order is still fresh in our minds... I am assuming that Amalur is better than Dragon Age 2 just as I would assume it is better than DNF or Amy.

It's simply double standards from the game reviewers.

Big titles/games that meet hype with gernic stories&setting = epicness with classic setting. MAJESTIC!

Indie titles with gernic stories&setting = Generic

KOA is 41 bucks w/ free shipping for the 360 on Amazon right now for people wanting a price drop.