I bought MW2 for No Russian...

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Why should developers have to avoid certain topics? Is it wrong to see both sides of a conflict now? Would world history be benefited if we ignored the German motives for WWII and just labeled them as monsters? Knowing the motivations for an action is the best way to understand that. Without knowing the "terrorists" side and only knowing one side, no understanding will ever happen, and the violence will only increase. If anything, we need more things to get us to think globally about issues.SpruceCaboose

Yes, we should spend precious time and energy getting worked up over video game content. It's so worthwhile spitting feathers over a gameconsidering the lack of real attrocities going on in the world today.

Everyone should get all offended and ban it I say, that's sure to fix the worlds problems and i'm convinced they have all stemmed from video gaming :roll:.

[QUOTE="NoRussian"]Yeah, you're presumably right, since this is from the CoD wiki: " * Makarov says "No Russian", so nobody will know that they are actually Russian (by speaking it), not Americans. The authorities would find Allen's dead American body, assume they were all Americans, and wage war on the U.S. "SaudiFury

Plus they would not just find Allen's dead American body, but also the bodies of the two other members of the team Allen was with. Two members of the team was suppose to die at a point in the level. So that would give the CIA more credit, and also you can not shoot anyone, so with the, I didn't, the security cameras would of seen that. The level is pretty neat, but is one huge plot hole when you get down to it.

From what I have seen from videos, "No Russian" seems like an empty level. All you do is massacre citizens and fight off a few counterterrorism response teams. All of this could have been easliy explained and/or shown in a cut scene.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="NoRussian"]Yeah, you're presumably right, since this is from the CoD wiki: " * Makarov says "No Russian", so nobody will know that they are actually Russian (by speaking it), not Americans. The authorities would find Allen's dead American body, assume they were all Americans, and wage war on the U.S. "Chaos_HL21

Plus they would not just find Allen's dead American body, but also the bodies of the two other members of the team Allen was with. Two members of the team was suppose to die at a point in the level. So that would give the CIA more credit, and also you can not shoot anyone, so with the, I didn't, the security cameras would of seen that. The level is pretty neat, but is one huge plot hole when you get down to it.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="NoRussian"] That's like saying 9/11 was like the airport scene, and that it should be banned in America. What was so identical to Mumbai, taking into account the places were entirely different?NoRussian

how exactly does that make you girly :|....i dont think its worth discussing this issue, some people find it offensive and some people dont so just let it be.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] And you REALLY think that there can be similar justifications provided for, say, 9/11, or London or Mumbai???Birdy09

From what I have seen from videos, "No Russian" seems like an empty level. All you do is massacre citizens and fight off a few counterterrorism response teams. All of this could have been easliy explained and/or shown in a cut scene.

ragek1ll589

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] but see the thing is, we all know the US's CIA and Russian intelligence are always exchanging information back and forth. I believe the US could of comprehensively explained the Russian's what was going on, and what just happened. but then again America needed more proof and that was the second campaign, which was trying to clear America's name. still i'd imagine the US would of put up their defenses and buy themselves enough time to prove to the Russians what was going on. eh...but if that was the case, we wouldn't have a game.Birdy09

Plus they would not just find Allen's dead American body, but also the bodies of the two other members of the team Allen was with. Two members of the team was suppose to die at a point in the level. So that would give the CIA more credit, and also you can not shoot anyone, so with the, I didn't, the security cameras would of seen that. The level is pretty neat, but is one huge plot hole when you get down to it.

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] but see the thing is, we all know the US's CIA and Russian intelligence are always exchanging information back and forth. I believe the US could of comprehensively explained the Russian's what was going on, and what just happened. but then again America needed more proof and that was the second campaign, which was trying to clear America's name. still i'd imagine the US would of put up their defenses and buy themselves enough time to prove to the Russians what was going on. eh...but if that was the case, we wouldn't have a game.Birdy09

Plus they would not just find Allen's dead American body, but also the bodies of the two other members of the team Allen was with. Two members of the team was suppose to die at a point in the level. So that would give the CIA more credit, and also you can not shoot anyone, so with the, I didn't, the security cameras would of seen that. The level is pretty neat, but is one huge plot hole when you get down to it.

He was deep cover, and has no contact with the CIA. It also wouldn't call of an invasion of the US. PLUS the attack was on an International Airport so other Civilians from other countires from around the world would of been there. Probably a number from the US. The FBI could of come in to investigate... The CIA would get into deep stuff, but it wouldn't call of an attack on the US, where it seems the Russians are targeting civilians.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Plus they would not just find Allen's dead American body, but also the bodies of the two other members of the team Allen was with. Two members of the team was suppose to die at a point in the level. So that would give the CIA more credit, and also you can not shoot anyone, so with the, I didn't, the security cameras would of seen that. The level is pretty neat, but is one huge plot hole when you get down to it.

NoRussian

Maybe russians thought americans planned it with the help of makarov.....

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Plus they would not just find Allen's dead American body, but also the bodies of the two other members of the team Allen was with. Two members of the team was suppose to die at a point in the level. So that would give the CIA more credit, and also you can not shoot anyone, so with the, I didn't, the security cameras would of seen that. The level is pretty neat, but is one huge plot hole when you get down to it.

Chaos_HL21

He was deep cover, and has no contact with the CIA. It also wouldn't call of an invasion of the US. PLUS the attack was on an International Airport so other Civilians from other countires from around the world would of been there. Probably a number from the US. The FBI could of come in to investigate... The CIA would get into deep stuff, but it wouldn't call of an attack on the US, where it seems the Russians are targeting civilians.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"] HArdly a plot hole... the cia agent was still with them, and knew about the planned attack without warning the russian authorities, this makes the CIA liable.Birdy09

He was deep cover, and has no contact with the CIA. It also wouldn't call of an invasion of the US. PLUS the attack was on an International Airport so other Civilians from other countires from around the world would of been there. Probably a number from the US. The FBI could of come in to investigate... The CIA would get into deep stuff, but it wouldn't call of an attack on the US, where it seems the Russians are targeting civilians.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

He was deep cover, and has no contact with the CIA. It also wouldn't call of an invasion of the US. PLUS the attack was on an International Airport so other Civilians from other countires from around the world would of been there. Probably a number from the US. The FBI could of come in to investigate... The CIA would get into deep stuff, but it wouldn't call of an attack on the US, where it seems the Russians are targeting civilians.

NoRussian

Yeah touchy Americans get more offended by "No Russian" than the Russians themselves.

Weird.

Yeah touchy Americans get more offended by "No Russian" than the Russians themselves.

Weird.

miless

i agree with this game being good. BUt the graphics part.... lol they suck. After playing uncharted 2 for a lil while and killzone 2, i feel as if this games graphics are horrible. Howeve, the gameplay makes up for everything.

[QUOTE="NoRussian"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Really, we're going to discuss this further? Sigh, ok. Take any example you want, then. 9/11? Fine. Mumbai? Fine. London? Fine. I say Mumbai because Mumbai affected me the most, but if you want to use a different example, go ahead. My point is that the way the developers depicted terrorism in the level was in very bad taste, and they really should be careful in future, or they'll end up treading on some very important toes, more than they should have.sikanderahmed

how exactly does that make you girly :|....i dont think its worth discussing this issue, some people find it offensive and some people dont so just let it be.

No Russian testament to Iward's poor job at establishing a powerful, meaningful narrative in a game. That's about it really. Such wasted potential. skrat_01

It has possibly one of the most idiotic transitions I've ever seen. You go from a James Bond movie type level to......Steven Spielberg's Munich? WTF?

It was ridiculous.

[QUOTE="miless"]

Yeah touchy Americans get more offended by "No Russian" than the Russians themselves.

Weird.

NoRussian

[QUOTE="NoRussian"][QUOTE="miless"]

Yeah touchy Americans get more offended by "No Russian" than the Russians themselves.

Weird.

miless

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]No Russian testament to Iward's poor job at establishing a powerful, meaningful narrative in a game. That's about it really. Such wasted potential. heretrix

It has possibly one of the most idiotic transitions I've ever seen. You go from a James Bond movie type level to......Steven Spielberg's Munich? WTF?

It was ridiculous.

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]No Russian testament to Iward's poor job at establishing a powerful, meaningful narrative in a game. That's about it really. Such wasted potential. NoRussian

It has possibly one of the most idiotic transitions I've ever seen. You go from a James Bond movie type level to......Steven Spielberg's Munich? WTF?

It was ridiculous.

[QUOTE="NoRussian"][QUOTE="heretrix"]This.

It has possibly one of the most idiotic transitions I've ever seen. You go from a James Bond movie type level to......Steven Spielberg's Munich? WTF?

It was ridiculous.

heretrix

U mean u bought it bcause u want to kill russians!?amareen18

RUSSIAN HATER!!!

Back on topic, yeah the game is good, not amazing, but it's plain fun.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Really, we're going to discuss this further? Sigh, ok. Take any example you want, then. 9/11? Fine. Mumbai? Fine. London? Fine. I say Mumbai because Mumbai affected me the most, but if you want to use a different example, go ahead. My point is that the way the developers depicted terrorism in the level was in very bad taste, and they really should be careful in future, or they'll end up treading on some very important toes, more than they should have.charizard1605

The terrorist side is important to understand, you lived in India, so you probably are aware of the Tamil Tigers, I lived for just under ten years having to be careful which roads I take because of a chance of bombings, have had friends caught in glass showers from blown up buildings. I also saw the racism that went both ways. The way the "police" would treat tamils, the way the army treated (read as kill) the civilians near Jaffna. If you read up about the conflict you will see both sides, one can be more right then another, but terrorists to one, are freedom fighters to another. You may not agree with the means, but it can be important to understand where they are coming from....

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On that note though, No Russian has nothing to do with depicting an accurate representation of the terrorist side. It is much to black and white. Slaughtering civilians does not = understand the motivations and emotions behind terrorist activities...

MW2 is the worst game this year, it never will touch the godly cod4 period

I imagine aliens some day landing on earth and making us ban all games where aliens are being killed :lol:

MW2 is the worst game this year, it never will touch the godly cod4 period

SLIisaownsystem

i thought the campaign was wonderful. I was pleasantly surprised.

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[QUOTE="NoRussian"] What's wrong with some variety?Birdy09

Undercover dude is under for too long, falls under the influence of Makarov and decides to switch sides or gets really confused. Does a bunch of stuff leading up to the conclusion in the airport. Makarov finds out or already knew and blam.

That's context. Not some stupid cutscene with a couple of seconds of dialog and a general saying "You're gonna lose a piece of yourself son.." Then BOOM! You are in an airport killing people. The game was so damn short that they could have had a better transition to that event. There was no REASON for that to happen the way it did.

It was supposed to be a serious event. This was the thing that started an invasion on the US and it was treated like a minigame.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="heretrix"]When it has no context it fails. They might has well transported you to The land of OZ. And given the turn of events in that game it would have probably been more probable.

heretrix

Undercover dude is under for too long, falls under the influence of Makarov and decides to switch sides or gets really confused. Does a bunch of stuff leading up to the conclusion in the airport. Makarov finds out or already knew and blam.

That's context. Not some stupid cutscene with a couple of seconds of dialog and a general saying "You're gonna lose a piece of yourself son.." Then BOOM! You are in an airport killing people. The game was so damn short that they could have had a better transition to that event. There was no REASON for that to happen the way it did.

It was supposed to be a serious event. This was the thing that started an invasion on the US and it was treated like a minigame.