If 360 is as powerful as PS3 then we would have seen it by now.

[QUOTE="1kryptic"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] David Shippy and Mickie Phipps, were two leading figures in the design of the Cell at the Sony-Toshiba-IBM design center. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3904/processing_the_truth_an_interview_.php For the equalisation, David Shippy referred to ATI GPU.ronvalencia

Are you saying the PS3 is superior or what?

But can Shippy's insight on both console's processors finally answer the age-old debate about which console is actually more powerful?

"I'm going to have to answer with an 'it depends,'" laughs Shippy, after a pause. "Again, they're completely different models. So in the PS3, you've got this Cell chip which has massive parallel processing power, the PowerPC core, multiple SPU cores… it's got a GPU that is, in the model here, processing more in the Cell chip and less in the GPU. So that's one processing paradigm -- a heterogeneous paradigm."

"With the Xbox 360, you've got more of a traditional multi-core system, and you've got three PowerPC cores, each of them having dual threads -- so you've got six threads running there, at least in the CPU. Six threads in Xbox 360, and eight or nine threads in the PS3 -- but then you've got to factor in the GPU," Shippy explains. "The GPU is highly sophisticated in the Xbox 360."

He concludes: "At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal, even though they're completely different processing models."

More proof that they're equal.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="1kryptic"]

Sucks that you didn't prove me wrong.

yodaddyninja

Because you can't. You're done.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Crytek and ID would disagree with you and suckerpunch.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] dont care toTintedEyes

Because you can't. You're done.

He has proof. You have nothing to go on and are just making assumptions.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

Because you can't. You're done.

yodaddyninja

He has proof. You have nothing to go on and are just making assumptions.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] so i have devs that agree with me and u, so now what? oh thats right ps3 still has the best looking gamesTintedEyes

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] and yet he cant prove me wrong either, guess we're both doneTintedEyes

He has proof. You have nothing to go on and are just making assumptions.

Dude. The 360 is more powerful than the PS3 because it has cross game chat. /thread.

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] and yet he cant prove me wrong either, guess we're both doneTintedEyes

He has proof. You have nothing to go on and are just making assumptions.

The article ronvalecia posted gives a detailed description of how they're equal. Add Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage that have both images and gameplay videos. And if PS3 was so superior, why wouldn't all multiplats run better on it?

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

He has proof. You have nothing to go on and are just making assumptions.

yodaddyninja

The article ronvalecia posted gives a detailed description of how they're equal. Add Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage that have both images and gameplay videos. And if PS3 was so superior, why wouldn't all multiplats run better on it?

Judging from the past (AW,ME2, F3) you cannot make accurate predictions about a game becoming console graphics king or tying. It just doesn't work until you have the game in motion on your HDTV. Sorry lems, you're gonna have to just be patient before making these claims. We just don't know for sure what's up with screenshots, for instance those U2 screens look far worse than the game actually does. Time and time again hyped up games failed to meet the benchmark of U2 or KZ2. You're just gonna have to wait lems. And then, if it happens you'll have to wait til KZ3. :)Deathtransit

Lol, who said anything about graphics king? The games easily show that the Xbox360 is up to par with the PS3.

what proof?TintedEyes

The article ronvalecia posted gives a detailed description of how they're equal. Add Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage that have both images and gameplay videos. And if PS3 was so superior, why wouldn't all multiplats run better on it?

and i have games and devs on my side, so im coolTintedEyes

And I have games on my side.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

He has proof. You have nothing to go on and are just making assumptions.

yodaddyninja

The article ronvalecia posted gives a detailed description of how they're equal. Add Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage that have both images and gameplay videos. And if PS3 was so superior, why wouldn't all multiplats run better on it?

So why hasnt there been a 360 game that looks better than Uncharted 2? You say Gear of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage. I think its commonly accepted that Uncharted 3 will look better than those multiplats.

Multiplats dont run better on the PS3 because its harder to develop on so everything is ported from the 360. Come on. These are all accepted facts.

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] what proof?erglesmergle

The article ronvalecia posted gives a detailed description of how they're equal. Add Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage that have both images and gameplay videos. And if PS3 was so superior, why wouldn't all multiplats run better on it?

So why hasnt there been a 360 game that looks better than Uncharted 2? You say Gear of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage. I think its commonly accepted that Uncharted 3 will look better than those multiplats.

Multiplats dont run better on the PS3 because its harder to develop on so everything is ported from the 360. Come on. These are all accepted facts.

You can't accept facts. Nothing is commonly accepted about that. Cows always try to spread their opinion as fact because their arguments are so weak.

Both consoles have their advantages.

You act like the PS3 exclusives look SOOO much better than the 360 games.Alan Wake is right up there with the PS3 exclusives in terms of graphics.And Gears 3 looks just as good as Uncharted2 in my opinon.And all the multiplats look better on 360.So open your eyes

JordanizPro

Personally Multiplats dont count for me.Even though Alan Wake and Gears 3 looks like they could challenge Sony Exclusives,there just 2 games.Sony has about 10 or more.It took 5 years to make Alan Wake? I think it took 2 years to make Uncharted 2.Crysis 2 and Rage dont count because there not exclusives so that doesnt count.We are talking about hard on exclusives where if you wanna play them you gotta buy that console.And it seems Microsoft is running out of ideas =(

~Random Statement ~=D Started laughing when Kingdom came on at E3 and my friends(Xbox Friends) were like Holy #$*U does graphics are amazing =P Until i told them does are real people walking in slow mo. =D

Lol i gotta ask...How many Companys do Microsoft own? ( as in own like Naughty Dog, and Insomniac is to SCEA)Bungie doesnt count because they just bought Halo not Bungie, and so does Epic. Dont belive me look at BulletStorm =D

Also im annoyed by LionHead Studios that Fable 3 doesnt change Graphic wise.I mean you could of change it a litte more. They might of been working on Milo and making it more Creepy .

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]and i have games and devs on my side, so im coolyodaddyninja

And I have games on my side.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

The article ronvalecia posted gives a detailed description of how they're equal. Add Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage that have both images and gameplay videos. And if PS3 was so superior, why wouldn't all multiplats run better on it?

yodaddyninja

So why hasnt there been a 360 game that looks better than Uncharted 2? You say Gear of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage. I think its commonly accepted that Uncharted 3 will look better than those multiplats.

Multiplats dont run better on the PS3 because its harder to develop on so everything is ported from the 360. Come on. These are all accepted facts.

You can't accept facts. Nothing is commonly accepted about that. Cows always try to spread their opinion as fact because their arguments are so weak.

Sir, have you seen the polls lately? Do I really have to go digging around for those "PS3 vs Xbox 360 - Graphics" polls?

Edit: Heres my old poll I created. 80% agree with the facts.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27237774

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]and i have games and devs on my side, so im coolTintedEyes

And I have games on my side.

That's your opnion. all cows spread their opnions as fact because they have no argument. Keep your opnion to yourself, and make a decent argument. Unless you can prove that Gears of War 3's graphics aren't good, and that the Ps3 versions of Rage and Crysis 2are better, my point still stands.

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

So why hasnt there been a 360 game that looks better than Uncharted 2? You say Gear of War 3, Crysis 2, and Rage. I think its commonly accepted that Uncharted 3 will look better than those multiplats.

Multiplats dont run better on the PS3 because its harder to develop on so everything is ported from the 360. Come on. These are all accepted facts.

erglesmergle

You can't accept facts. Nothing is commonly accepted about that. Cows always try to spread their opinion as fact because their arguments are so weak.

Sir, have you seen the polls lately? Do I really have to go digging around for those "PS3 vs Xbox 360 - Graphics" polls?

Edit: Heres my old poll I created. 80% agree with the facts.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27237774

A poll LOL. Stop it man, you lost.

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]Judging from the past (AW,ME2, F3) you cannot make accurate predictions about a game becoming console graphics king or tying. It just doesn't work until you have the game in motion on your HDTV. Sorry lems, you're gonna have to just be patient before making these claims. We just don't know for sure what's up with screenshots, for instance those U2 screens look far worse than the game actually does. Time and time again hyped up games failed to meet the benchmark of U2 or KZ2. You're just gonna have to wait lems. And then, if it happens you'll have to wait til KZ3. :)Deathtransit

Lol, who said anything about graphics king? The games easily show that the Xbox360 is up to par with the PS3.

Resorting to insults huh?

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

And I have games on my side.

yodaddyninja

That's your opnion. all cows spread their opnions as fact because they have no argument. Keep your opnion to yourself, and make a decent argument. Unless you can prove that Gears of War 3's graphics aren't good, and that the Ps3 versions of Rage and Crysis 2are better, my point still stands.

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

You act like the PS3 exclusives look SOOO much better than the 360 games.Alan Wake is right up there with the PS3 exclusives in terms of graphics.And Gears 3 looks just as good as Uncharted2 in my opinon.And all the multiplats look better on 360.So open your eyes

AznKSor

Personally Multiplats dont count for me.Even though Alan Wake and Gears 3 looks like they could challenge Sony Exclusives,there just 2 games.Sony has about 10 or more.It took 5 years to make Alan Wake? I think it took 2 years to make Uncharted 2.Crysis 2 and Rage dont count because there not exclusives so that doesnt count.We are talking about hard on exclusives where if you wanna play them you gotta buy that console.And it seems Microsoft is running out of ideas =(

~Random Statement ~=D Started laughing when Kingdom came on at E3 and my friends(Xbox Friends) were like Holy #$*U does graphics are amazing =P Until i told them does are real people walking in slow mo. =D

Lol i gotta ask...How many Companys do Microsoft own? ( as in own like Naughty Dog, and Insomniac is to SCEA)Bungie doesnt count because they just bought Halo not Bungie, and so does Epic. Dont belive me look at BulletStorm =D

Also im annoyed by LionHead Studios that Fable 3 doesnt change Graphic wise.I mean you could of change it a litte more. They might of been working on Milo and making it more Creepy .

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] that are of lower graphical quality than ps3 exclusivesTintedEyes

That's your opnion. all cows spread their opnions as fact because they have no argument. Keep your opnion to yourself, and make a decent argument. Unless you can prove that Gears of War 3's graphics aren't good, and that the Ps3 versions of Rage and Crysis 2are better, my point still stands.

If the games were out, that would just prove my point even more.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

You can't accept facts. Nothing is commonly accepted about that. Cows always try to spread their opinion as fact because their arguments are so weak.

yodaddyninja

Sir, have you seen the polls lately? Do I really have to go digging around for those "PS3 vs Xbox 360 - Graphics" polls?

Edit: Heres my old poll I created. 80% agree with the facts.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27237774

A poll LOL. Stop it man, you lost.

The poll must be a lie.

[QUOTE="AznKSor"]

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

You act like the PS3 exclusives look SOOO much better than the 360 games.Alan Wake is right up there with the PS3 exclusives in terms of graphics.And Gears 3 looks just as good as Uncharted2 in my opinon.And all the multiplats look better on 360.So open your eyes

Ravensmash

Personally Multiplats dont count for me.Even though Alan Wake and Gears 3 looks like they could challenge Sony Exclusives,there just 2 games.Sony has about 10 or more.It took 5 years to make Alan Wake? I think it took 2 years to make Uncharted 2.Crysis 2 and Rage dont count because there not exclusives so that doesnt count.We are talking about hard on exclusives where if you wanna play them you gotta buy that console.And it seems Microsoft is running out of ideas =(

~Random Statement ~=D Started laughing when Kingdom came on at E3 and my friends(Xbox Friends) were like Holy #$*U does graphics are amazing =P Until i told them does are real people walking in slow mo. =D

Lol i gotta ask...How many Companys do Microsoft own? ( as in own like Naughty Dog, and Insomniac is to SCEA)Bungie doesnt count because they just bought Halo not Bungie, and so does Epic. Dont belive me look at BulletStorm =D

Also im annoyed by LionHead Studios that Fable 3 doesnt change Graphic wise.I mean you could of change it a litte more. They might of been working on Milo and making it more Creepy .

To me it doesnt matter if Multiplats look better on Xbox360,its the Exclusives that count.Not being a Fanboy at all.Yes they are equal,so lets just leave it there =)

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Sir, have you seen the polls lately? Do I really have to go digging around for those "PS3 vs Xbox 360 - Graphics" polls?

Edit: Heres my old poll I created. 80% agree with the facts.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27237774

erglesmergle

A poll LOL. Stop it man, you lost.

The poll must be a lie.

Any fanboy can vote on a poll, it doesn't discredit the facts that are already there.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

A poll LOL. Stop it man, you lost.

yodaddyninja

The poll must be a lie.

Any fanboy can vote on a poll, it doesn't discredit the facts that are already there.

People should start looking at fact rather than opinion.This console war is not political, you wont get assassinated or shot for choosing the one thats right.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]

A poll LOL. Stop it man, you lost.

yodaddyninja

The poll must be a lie.

Any fanboy can vote on a poll, it doesn't discredit the facts that are already there.

In your world everyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy. That was a neutral vote. Your favorite system lost. You lost. Get over it. Lets wait until Gears 3, Crysis 2 and Rage to come out first. If they really do look better than the best looking PS3 exclusive like Uncharted 2 then you can come back here and call everyone fanboys and call facts opinions. Right youre using off screen gameplay and disregarding the fact that all games evolve and the PS3 will likely have an even better looking game than the ones use using to your defense.

Here we go again.Atthis point im just exausted with this argument.Both systems put out some pretty impressive looking games,maybe the ps3 is a little more powerful than the 360,i dont really know because i dont look into all the specs like others do because i just wanna play the games.If a games fun and it looks good thats all im interested in.Id love to have a penny for ever time this subject has came up because i know id be a millionaire,oh well this is system wars and as long as thier is more than one console on the market it will never end.

[QUOTE="noob-saibot2010"]

if this is what you guys calling real difference,I don't think that I'M gonna accept that.and please consider that gears was out in 2008.

winner-ps3

Unless you have a monitor from the 1990's screens look much better on a PC thank you very much. KZ is all smoke and mirrors.....

Here we go again.Atthis point im just exausted with this argument.Both systems put out some pretty impressive looking games,maybe the ps3 is a little more powerful than the 360,i dont really know because i dont look into all the specs like others do because i just wanna play the games.If a games fun and it looks good thats all im interested in.Id love to have a penny for ever time this subject has came up because i know id be a millionaire,oh well this is system wars and as long as thier is more than one console on the market it will never end.

loudharley

I agree man,, me too.

let's just face the facts today ok.

PS3 is alot more powerfull then xbox 360. simple fact.

and no lems multi paths dont show the true and full power of a console.

[QUOTE="loudharley"]

Here we go again.Atthis point im just exausted with this argument.Both systems put out some pretty impressive looking games,maybe the ps3 is a little more powerful than the 360,i dont really know because i dont look into all the specs like others do because i just wanna play the games.If a games fun and it looks good thats all im interested in.Id love to have a penny for ever time this subject has came up because i know id be a millionaire,oh well this is system wars and as long as thier is more than one console on the market it will never end.

ratchet_usa

I agree man,, me too.

let's just face the facts today ok.

PS3 is alot more powerfull then xbox 360. simple fact.

and no lems multi paths dont show the true and full power of a console.

[QUOTE="ratchet_usa"]

[QUOTE="loudharley"]

Here we go again.Atthis point im just exausted with this argument.Both systems put out some pretty impressive looking games,maybe the ps3 is a little more powerful than the 360,i dont really know because i dont look into all the specs like others do because i just wanna play the games.If a games fun and it looks good thats all im interested in.Id love to have a penny for ever time this subject has came up because i know id be a millionaire,oh well this is system wars and as long as thier is more than one console on the market it will never end.

ocstew

I agree man,, me too.

let's just face the facts today ok.

PS3 is alot more powerfull then xbox 360. simple fact.

and no lems multi paths dont show the true and full power of a console.

you said IF. So far console multiplat titles don't compare to certain PS3 exclusives graphically. So... ownage denied.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="ratchet_usa"]

I agree man,, me too.

let's just face the facts today ok.

PS3 is alot more powerfull then xbox 360. simple fact.

and no lems multi paths dont show the true and full power of a console.

leadernator

you said IF. So far console multiplat titles don't compare to certain PS3 exclusives graphically. So... ownage denied.

All running on the Xbox 360

[QUOTE="loudharley"]

Here we go again.Atthis point im just exausted with this argument.Both systems put out some pretty impressive looking games,maybe the ps3 is a little more powerful than the 360,i dont really know because i dont look into all the specs like others do because i just wanna play the games.If a games fun and it looks good thats all im interested in.Id love to have a penny for ever time this subject has came up because i know id be a millionaire,oh well this is system wars and as long as thier is more than one console on the market it will never end.

ratchet_usa

I agree man,, me too.

let's just face the facts today ok.

PS3 is alot more powerfull then xbox 360. simple fact.

and no lems multi paths dont show the true and full power of a console.

That was proved wrong over and over again. It's not true, so stop beating the dead horse man.

All running on the Xbox 360

WhenCicadasCry

Why dont we wait for them to show the PS3s versions of those games. At one time i could have sworn that both of these companys have said the PS3 version of their gamewill look the best on consoles. And if they do, id otn know, that might say something.

[QUOTE="noob-saibot2010"]

if this is what you guys calling real difference,I don't think that I'M gonna accept that.and please consider that gears was out in 2008.

winner-ps3

Appearently, that isn't the case.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

All running on the Xbox 360

XboximusPrime

Why dont we wait for them to show the PS3s versions of those games. At one time i could have sworn that both of these companys have said the PS3 version of their gamewill look the best on consoles. And if they do, id otn know, that might say something.

They never said that.

[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="noob-saibot2010"]

if this is what you guys calling real difference,I don't think that I'M gonna accept that.and please consider that gears was out in 2008.

yodaddyninja

Appearently, that isn't the case.

Anyone else not remember that Worm part being in the game? i palyed Gears 2 through twice, and they never did crap like that, which makes me think that pic was doctored.

[QUOTE="leadernator"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Here let me explain a logical and simple argument. If a multiplat looks as good as an exclusive why should it be discounted? Owned.ocstew

you said IF. So far console multiplat titles don't compare to certain PS3 exclusives graphically. So... ownage denied.

The thing about RDR is that the world is big, but there is barely anything going on screen, and games like this have been shown before like fall out 3 also great game big world, but you can only fight like 2 or 3 enemies on screen at the same time, there is when consoles like xbox 360 shows their limits.

and games with big worlds are a thing of the past, what about Shadow of the Colossus ??? big world, alot to explore, some of the best graqphics of last gen. and everything with zero load times.

Come on guys, 360 was released a whole year before PS3 and yet MS expect us to believe that their devs are eventually going to surpass KZ2, why is it that Sony's 1st party were are able to constantly release games better looking than any multi-plats and yet MS release games like Crackdown 2, Fable III and Alan Wake which look extremely average but solid none the less. Surely if Killzone 2 was released in Feb 2009 then by now MS should have at least announced a game on par, especially considering that everyone's been working on the 360 for a year longer. Let's just admit PS3 is more powerful than 360.

Clank-PS-Snake