If Gran Turismo has destructable cars/online play, it will own all other racers.

Tis true.

1. Is the only racing-franchise in history to be in the "most successful franchises" top 20 (it ranked 10th on the list, selling about 44 million copies total). This includes all GT games.

2. In "most succesful games" top 10(individual games in a franchise), it ranked twice. Gran Turismo 3 ranked 8th on the list, selling about 11 millon copies. Gran Turismo 1 ranked 10th on the list, also sellign about 11 million copies.

3. graphics, the number of licensed vehicles, the extent and detail of simulation, and the ability to tune performance. Handling is modeled on real-life driving impressions, tuning based on principles of physics, and sound on recordings of real-life vehicles

Destrutable cars is the only thing forza/turn 10 has over gran turismo/polophony....this game will have a huge buget, we all know, and if it has destrutable cars (maybe a turn on/off feature?) it will truely own.

There's a high chance it will not happen in the near future, and there's a high chance I will be sad because of it. (Destructable cars, that is)

it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseprogenitorvirus

True, But I'd love to have it anyway

Or you could get Burnout 5 which will have both of those things.

Or you could get Burnout 5 which will have both of those things.

kage_53

it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseprogenitorvirus

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.  

it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseprogenitorvirus

There's a high chance it will not happen in the near future, and there's a high chance I will be sad because of it. (Destructable cars, that is)

nyoroism

i heard gran turismo 5 is supposed to feature online play, and car deformation. according to ign i believe, yamauchi said that with the power of the ps3 they can actually do real life like damage physics, and the right calculations to meet real-world car deformations(mind you he's a perfectionist when it comes to car models). in fact i heard they tried it with gran turismo 4 but didn't like it becuz the hardware was limited didn't "look" well for him, so they scrapped it.

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseNinja-Vox

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.

well my opinion says gt5 is better.

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseNinja-Vox

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.  

Reviews are opinions, Don't just base games off there reviews....I play a game that got a 5.4 on this site, ad I enjoy the game online..

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseprogenitorvirus

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.

well my opinion says gt5 is better.

You've played neither, thus making it impossible for you to have an opinion on which is superiour to the other. 

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseCWEBB04z

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.

Reviews are opinions, Don't just base games off there reviews....I play a game that got a 5.4 on this site, ad I enjoy the game online..

That's the whole point i was making. He said GT was the king of racers as if it were fact. I was simply highlighting that that is his opinion and reviews say otherwise. 

Polyphony needs to do a lot of stuff if they wanna compete. They basically need to redo everything from scratch, rejuvenate the decade old concept.

It also needs to be the real driving simulator. The AI cheats, online play is non-existant, playing without rumble will suck and the cars are impregnable. Fix all that, and you might hold a candle to other realistic racers like GTR or Forza. Until then, GT is a pretender, a wannabe and stuck in an age that has since passed. We definitely have the processing power and the want to have a more realistic simulation - so lets see it already.Sagacious_Tien

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]

There's a high chance it will not happen in the near future, and there's a high chance I will be sad because of it. (Destructable cars, that is)

progenitorvirus

i heard gran turismo 5 is supposed to feature online play, and car deformation. according to ign i believe, yamauchi said that with the power of the ps3 they can actually do real life like damage physics, and the right calculations to meet real-world car deformations(mind you he's a perfectionist when it comes to car models). in fact i heard they tried it with gran turismo 4 but didn't like it becuz the hardware was limited didn't "look" well for him, so they scrapped it.

I roll my eyes. Even if that old quote from when the PS3 barely even existed wasn't just empty hype, it still wouldn't matter since the manufacturers will not allow for this "real life like damage physics with the right calculations to meet real world car deformations" to happen. Yes it is stupid, but that's how it has always been and apparently will be for the forseeable future.

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseNinja-Vox

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.

Reviews are opinions, Don't just base games off there reviews....I play a game that got a 5.4 on this site, ad I enjoy the game online..

That's the whole point i was making. He said GT was the king of racers as if it were fact. I was simply highlighting that that is his opinion and reviews say otherwise.

well gt is the king of racers. it's one of the best selling game franchises in the industry.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseprogenitorvirus

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.

Reviews are opinions, Don't just base games off there reviews....I play a game that got a 5.4 on this site, ad I enjoy the game online..

That's the whole point i was making. He said GT was the king of racers as if it were fact. I was simply highlighting that that is his opinion and reviews say otherwise.

well gt is the king of racers. it's one of the best selling game franchises in the industry.

well gt is the king of racers. it's one of the best selling game franchises in the industry.progenitorvirus

So good sales means a good game? 50 Cent Bulletproof disagrees with you.

If I get F-Zero Wii with 30 racers online, going the speed F-zero is known for without lag, and the mayhem that insues in an F-zero game, I do not even think GT will matter to me at all.yoshi_64

EDIT: Holy hamburgers, did I just take a shot at the guy with almost 16,000 posts? It was an accident I swear it!

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]well gt is the king of racers. it's one of the best selling game franchises in the industry.Bansheesdie

So good sales means a good game? 50 Cent Bulletproof disagrees with you.

obviously gt fans disagree with you... its the king of racers by many... its got history... forza will be having two games soon... gt is the king... ask any game editor and they'll tell you. strong sales obviously mean that a lot of people love the franchise... and believe its top-of-the-line lemmings :lol:

If I get F-Zero Wii with 30 racers online, going the speed F-zero is known for without lag, and the mayhem that insues in an F-zero game, I do not even think GT will matter to me at all.yoshi_64

Agreed, FZero would be AMAZING online!

obviously gt fans disagree with you... its the king of ravers by many... its got history... forza will be having two games soon... gt is the king... ask any game editor and they'll tell you. strong sales obviously mean that a lot of people love the franchise... and believe its top-of-the-line lemmings :lol:progenitorvirus

So you are saying that 50 Cent Bulletproof is a good game?

[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]well gt is the king of racers. it's one of the best selling game franchises in the industry.progenitorvirus

So good sales means a good game? 50 Cent Bulletproof disagrees with you.

obviously gt fans disagree with you... its the king of ravers by many... its got history... forza will be having two games soon... gt is the king... ask any game editor and they'll tell you. strong sales obviously mean that a lot of people love the franchise... and believe its top-of-the-line lemmings :lol:

Again, millions bought 50 cent's game. That doesn't make it top quality. And again, the game editor's right here on gamespot review GT4 and Forza 1 and said Forza was better for being much more realistic and generally more enjoyable as an overall package. 

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]obviously gt fans disagree with you... its the king of ravers by many... its got history... forza will be having two games soon... gt is the king... ask any game editor and they'll tell you. strong sales obviously mean that a lot of people love the franchise... and believe its top-of-the-line lemmings :lol:Bansheesdie

So you are saying that 50 Cent Bulletproof is a good game?

read my upper post you lemmings don't make sense :lol:

If I get F-Zero Wii with 30 racers online, going the speed F-zero is known for without lag, and the mayhem that insues in an F-zero game, I do not even think GT will matter to me at all.yoshi_64

When was the last lime a Sheep cares about a Racing/Driving Simulator? lol

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]well gt is the king of racers. it's one of the best selling game franchises in the industry.Ninja-Vox

So good sales means a good game? 50 Cent Bulletproof disagrees with you.

obviously gt fans disagree with you... its the king of ravers by many... its got history... forza will be having two games soon... gt is the king... ask any game editor and they'll tell you. strong sales obviously mean that a lot of people love the franchise... and believe its top-of-the-line lemmings :lol:

Again, millions bought 50 cent's game. That doesn't make it top quality. And again, the game editor's right here on gamespot review GT4 and Forza 1 and said Forza was better for being much more realistic and generally more enjoyable as an overall package.

OHHHH gamespot... well they lost their credibility long ago... so what are you going to tell the fans who've sold millions of copies of the game? huh. becuz GT4 is a fantastic racing game.

like i said lemmings answer my fellow post... remember HALO 2 was a better game becuz it sold more than mgs 3... :lol: halo 2 was garbage... and sadly its played heavily by casuals. yah you lemmings make real sense! :lol:

Note to all attempting to have a logical conversation with progenitorvirus:

One of his posts entailed: ":lol: Halo is crap :lol:" When quizzed to back up such a statement with some reasoning, he replied ":lol: Cause its crap i'd rather drive with a turd."

Yes; drive with a turd. I think it at least makes sense to him. In other words, you're conversing with a fanboy, and will get nowhere. 

Note to all attempting to have a logical conversation with progenitorvirus:

One of his posts entailed: ":lol: Halo is crap :lol:" When quizzed to back up such a statement with some reasoning, he replied ":lol: Cause its crap i'd rather drive with a turd."

Yes; drive with a turd. I think it at least makes sense to him. In other words, you're conversing with a fanboy, and will get nowhere.

Ninja-Vox

im just telling you the truth :lol: id honestly rather do that than play halo 2 :lol:

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]If I get F-Zero Wii with 30 racers online, going the speed F-zero is known for without lag, and the mayhem that insues in an F-zero game, I do not even think GT will matter to me at all.Riverwolf007

EDIT: Holy hamburgers, did I just take a shot at the guy with almost 16,000 posts? It was an accident I swear it!

you know whats funny lemmings i had an arguement with your fellow lemmings on here saying halo 2 was better than mgs3 becuz it sold more :lol: and now the tables are turned im using that arguement against u lemmings now you're saying sales don't matter :lol: just becuz it sold more its not "better" good concept! :lol:progenitorvirus

And let me guess, you disagreed? ....yeah.

...oh, almost forget the loli! :lol: 

read my upper post you lemmings don't make sense :lol:progenitorvirus

Your argument is sales = good game. If that were true, then it is the same as you saying 50 Cent Bulletproof = good game. And that is just not true.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]If I get F-Zero Wii with 30 racers online, going the speed F-zero is known for without lag, and the mayhem that insues in an F-zero game, I do not even think GT will matter to me at all.raskullibur

When was the last lime a Sheep cares about a Racing/Driving Simulator? lol

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="progenitorvirus"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]well gt is the king of racers. it's one of the best selling game franchises in the industry.progenitorvirus

So good sales means a good game? 50 Cent Bulletproof disagrees with you.

obviously gt fans disagree with you... its the king of ravers by many... its got history... forza will be having two games soon... gt is the king... ask any game editor and they'll tell you. strong sales obviously mean that a lot of people love the franchise... and believe its top-of-the-line lemmings :lol:

Again, millions bought 50 cent's game. That doesn't make it top quality. And again, the game editor's right here on gamespot review GT4 and Forza 1 and said Forza was better for being much more realistic and generally more enjoyable as an overall package.

OHHHH gamespot... well they lost their credibility long ago... so what are you going to tell the fans who've sold millions of copies of the game? huh. becuz GT4 is a fantastic racing game.

like i said lemmings answer my fellow post... remember HALO 2 was a better game becuz it sold more than mgs 3... :lol: halo 2 was garbage... and sadly its played heavily by casuals. yah you lemmings make real sense! :lol:

So it's gamespot's fault now? Ok then, answer this:

http://uk.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/index.html?q=gran%20turismo%204

Every review from a major website or magazine averaged out = 8.9 for GT4

Same here for Forza:

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/forzamotorsport/index.html?q=forza

:o 9.3

Let me guess your next response; every reviewer on the planet is wrong?  

There are three threads on this game on the front page. What on earth possessed you to believe this was worthy of another?Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]read my upper post you lemmings don't make sense :lol:Bansheesdie

Your argument is sales = good game. If that were true, then it is the same as you saying 50 Cent Bulletproof = good game. And that is just not true.

ok then i guess its "crap" and so is "halo 2" except halo 2 really is "crap" :lol:

So it's gamespot's fault now? Ok then, answer this:

http://uk.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/index.html?q=gran%20turismo%204

Every review from a major website or magazine averaged out = 8.9 for GT4

Same here for Forza:

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/forzamotorsport/index.html?q=forza

:o 9.3

 

Let me guess your next response; every reviewer on the planet is wrong?  Ninja-Vox

Mmmm AAA.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Note to all attempting to have a logical conversation with progenitorvirus:

One of his posts entailed: ":lol: Halo is crap :lol:" When quizzed to back up such a statement with some reasoning, he replied ":lol: Cause its crap i'd rather drive with a turd."

Yes; drive with a turd. I think it at least makes sense to him. In other words, you're conversing with a fanboy, and will get nowhere.

progenitorvirus

im just telling you the truth :lol: id honestly rather do that than play halo 2 :lol:

But if you quit being a fanboy and acting like a child, you will realise that that is your opinion, and it conflicts with 99% of other opinions whereby every reviewer says the game is AAA material. Therefore your opinion is pointless. It's like me yelling at the top of my lungs about how oxygen is the most over rated thing ever and we dont even need it; nobody gives a crap what i think because everybody in the universe disagrees. 

ok then i guess its "crap" and so is "halo 2" except halo 2 really is "crap" :lol:progenitorvirus

Name the last GT title that was nominated for GOTY here on GS. I'm waiting.

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseNinja-Vox

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.  

Sales say GT is better

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]it owns all racers :lol: destructable cars/online play or not. its the best racing franchiseBlinblingthing

That's a matter of opinion. Reviews say Forza was better than GT4.

Sales say GT is better

Sales say 50 cent bullet proof is one of the best games of all time by your logic. 

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"]ok then i guess its "crap" and so is "halo 2" except halo 2 really is "crap" :lol:Bansheesdie

Name the last GT title that was nominated for GOTY here on GS. I'm waiting.

there's something wrong with you if you think "halo 2" was a AAA title :lol: my god the halo series is the most overrated, boring storyline, boring everything.

obviously we should start calling gamespot "microspot" becuz of their love for the xbox, and xbox 360 :lol: