If GT5 scores less than 9.5 on GS, will SW consider it a failure?

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

yeah, pretty much

Ultra_Combo

Same for Halo : Reach man...it better get 9.5 or 10.

After all, Halo ODST was just a mere expansion, and a low metascoring Halo game...this is HALO 3's TRUE sequel, and BUNGIE's FAREWELL OPUS. It better deliver, right?

If ODST got a 9 from Gamespot, considering all it's faults...HALO REACH better get a 9.5 or 10.

Also, I'm not serious, no game should be required to be a 9.5 or 10 or it's a failure, c'mon. : P

Uh why? what does Halo reach have to do with the topic. I understand what your trying to do but instead acting like a sony pawn you could explain to vesica why it still wouldn;t be a flop.

Why the Insults?

Acting?

Should I call you a M$ pawn now? Of course not, and I won't, but you just called me a name. Should I call people names or say they are acting like something in this thread if I don't like their posts? No, I shouldn't, nor should you. Don't worry, I won't be doing that as your insult to me was uncalled for, and it's not appropriate.

You know what I'm trying to do? That's what you said. What about what the TC and many posters in this thread "are trying to do?" :lol:

What about the entire broken premise of a game being a failure if it is NOT a 9.5 or 10? What about the pre emptive damage control being designed by this thread as many seem to think GT5 will be AAA, BUT it won't be the kind of AAA they want it to be? ;)

I already posted about this in this very thread...but I will go ahead and explain the thought process.

If Halo ODST got a 9 here at Gamespot, and it was just a mere expansion, and uber HYPED HALO REACH is Bungie's last great Halo Opus (been worked on 2007's Halo 3), it better get a 9.5 or 10 at Gamespot.

Now honestly, I don't believe that a game should have to be given a 9.5 or 10 or it's a failure, nor do I believe any game needs to get a 9.5 or 10, including Zelda, the Next Mario Game, GT5, or whatever. IMHO, that's preposterous to hype a game a 10 or it's a failure. However, for those that do believe certain games should be given a 9.5 or a 10 or those games are "failures/flops", then I'm sure they have no problem believing that for the next MGS game, next Mario Galaxy game, next Halo Game, Next Zelda game, or whatever else they can think of.

That's not happening here, it's just about GT5, by a poster known as ZuneHD.

I remember once, a Banned user and lemming, BSO tried to get many PS3 and Wii games flopped by breaking down the AAA score into halves (.5's).

Fortunately, that's not how it works in System Wars.

One more time, this is how hype works in SW, if a game fails to meet Gamespot predicted "score HYPE", then that game is considered a gamespot "FLOP". End of story.

GT5 is AAA hyped, if it gets AA, or A, it's a flop. Many will see that as a failure, for sure. However, GT5 getting a AAA will be just fine, just as Halo REACH and many other AAA HYPED will be safe.

Pretty much, because fanboys take what they can get and use it for what little ownage it can offer. Heavy Rain got an 8.5 on GS, yet despite near universal acclaim for what it offers the lems went nuts with "OMGz 8.5 = FAIL". Of course it was no better with Alan Wake, well... maybe a little better since the main insult from Cows was calling lems out for hypocrisy. If it was the other way around though it would have been the same.

If it gets at least a 9.0 I think its done a gret job, GS tends to rate games like Call of Duty 4 and Bioshock at that level so it would still be in line with some amazing games.

why does GT need to kill forza when its been forza that tries to consistently outdo GT? Blaze-Agent

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"] why does GT need to kill forza when its been forza that tries to consistently outdo GT? foxhound_fox

Well it depends on what it scores if it is a failure. 8.0 or above it is still a good game but anything less then 9.5 means Forza is still the better series. Still would be funny if it only ties Forza 3 because of the dev time and money spent on it. Forza 3 only took 2 years.

Well it depends on what it scores if it is a failure. 8.0 or above it is still a good game but anything less then 9.5 means Forza is still the better series.SilentlyMad

when i say out do i mean famewise. when you mention racing games with high prestige in gaming, not just forums people will always think of Gran Turismo.Blaze-Agent

I will personally make it my mission to explode SW if it receives less than a 9.5

racing games should never get above 9.5

[QUOTE="GnR-SLaSh"][QUOTE="red12355"] Lol. That just sounds like early dc.mo0ksi

[QUOTE="GnR-SLaSh"][QUOTE="red12355"] Lol. That just sounds like early dc.mo0ksi

I genuinely don't think it will score more than 9.2 here - GS will whine on about how it feels "incomplete" because there are only 200 premium cars, and the other 800 just feel "unfinished". That's my bet anyway.

no ut it would mean forza 3 is better. But honestly there is no chance of it gettin anythin lower than a 9.0

I genuinely don't think it will score more than 9.2 here - GS will whine on about how it feels "incomplete" because there are only 200 premium cars, and the other 800 just feel "unfinished". That's my bet anyway.

It will get a 10 as long as there isnt alot of glitches/bugs that effect the gameplay.

Keiji993

I said this before and I'll say it gain. I think more than anything, the score hinges on the damage status. Sure there would be other factors, but damage will be the big issue. Yes we finally saw it in the preview videos, but what's the extent of the damage? Is it purely cosmetic, or will it also impair the performance of the cars? Forza series, among others, set the standard for damage in racing games, where it's not just the visual effect of impacts, but also gameplay mechanic of how damage effects the handling of the car and how the player must consider his approach to every turn and the other cars around him, because no there's real time and tangible consequences.

What I lay it down as is - if it's performance effecting then AAA, but if only cosmetic damage then AA.

Also want to comment on another cliche seen on this. That because of its 6 year dev cycle, it's assured of AAA or even AAAA status. This is a trap many too easily fall into. yeah even I've been guilty of this. I man lots of time, lots of work put into this, how can it not? need I remind people here of Too Human and Alan Wake? Long time spent of development is a guarantee of nothing. I mean aside from the damage issue, other factors remain unknown. Like what will the opponent AI be like? This has been a strike against the series in past games (rubber banding and what not), what do we know about it in this latest instalment?

At this stage there are still too many variables that could swing either way, so I say all this as a precautionary message.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Since it was called the 'Forza 3 killer', if it fails to either meet a 9.5 or get a 10. It'd probably be a flop.

SolidTy

yeah, pretty much

Same for Halo : Reach man...it better get 9.5 or 10.

After all, Halo ODST was just a mere expansion, and a low metascoring Halo game...this is HALO 3's TRUE sequel, and BUNGIE's FAREWELL OPUS. It better deliver, right?

If ODST got a 9 from Gamespot, considering all it's faults...HALO REACH better get a 9.5 or 10.

Also, I'm not serious, no game should be required to be a 9.5 or 10 or it's a failure, c'mon. : P

Halo Reach is a prequel not a sequel. :P

at this point, unless it cures cancer and solve the world hunger issues, I think most would consider it a failure :s

On a more serious point. No, I dont think it will be considered a failure if it scores a 9.5, a 9.0 might be pushing it, but apart from a few hardcore fanboys I think most people will look at the game and judge it on its own merits.

"If GT5 scores less than 9.5 on GS, will SW consider it a failure?"

Mos Def.

And I'm not talkin about the rapper/actor.

Anything less than a 9.5 score for GT5 means not only flop but repudiation of said game as the 'ultimate driving simulation' on consoles.

And I hope for the Polyphony's sake they fixed those sprite trees or system wars will become foliage wars again...

Reviewers often fall into the hype (see MGS4 and GTA4). Vanord seems to get caught up in it alot, and he'll probably review it, so that will help the cause. And yea if it's under 9.5 i will bwahahaha @ everyone

Reviewers often fall into the hype (see MGS4 and GTA4). Vanord seems to get caught up in it alot, and he'll probably review it, so that will help the cause. And yea if it's under 9.5 i will bwahahaha @ everyone

iBear-

Yes true if Van Ord reviews this we might as well give it a 10 now.

If it's hype is AAA and it score 9.0+, then no.

[QUOTE="Keiji993"]

It will get a 10 as long as there isnt alot of glitches/bugs that effect the gameplay.

AdobeArtist

I said this before and I'll say it gain. I think more than anything, the score hinges on the damage status. Sure there would be other factors, but damage will be the big issue. Yes we finally saw it in the preview videos, but what's the extent of the damage? Is it purely cosmetic, or will it also impair the performance of the cars? Forza series, among others, set the standard for damage in racing games, where it's not just the visual effect of impacts, but also gameplay mechanic of how damage effects the handling of the car and how the player must consider his approach to every turn and the other cars around him, because no there's real time and tangible consequences.

What I lay it down as is - if it's performance effecting then AAA, but if only cosmetic damage then AA.

Also want to comment on another cliche seen on this. That because of its 6 year dev cycle, it's assured of AAA or even AAAA status. This is a trap many too easily fall into. yeah even I've been guilty of this. I man lots of time, lots of work put into this, how can it not? need I remind people here of Too Human and Alan Wake? Long time spent of development is a guarantee of nothing. I mean aside from the damage issue, other factors remain unknown. Like what will the opponent AI be like? This has been a strike against the series in past games (rubber banding and what not), what do we know about it in this latest instalment?

At this stage there are still too many variables that could swing either way, so I say all this as a precautionary message.

[QUOTE="iBear-"]

Reviewers often fall into the hype (see MGS4 and GTA4). Vanord seems to get caught up in it alot, and he'll probably review it, so that will help the cause. And yea if it's under 9.5 i will bwahahaha @ everyone

Ultra_Combo

Yes true if Van Ord reviews this we might as well give it a 10 now.

Why would Van Ord review it when Justin Calvert has done more similar games?

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Keiji993"]

It will get a 10 as long as there isnt alot of glitches/bugs that effect the gameplay.

locopatho

I said this before and I'll say it gain. I think more than anything, the score hinges on the damage status. Sure there would be other factors, but damage will be the big issue. Yes we finally saw it in the preview videos, but what's the extent of the damage? Is it purely cosmetic, or will it also impair the performance of the cars? Forza series, among others, set the standard for damage in racing games, where it's not just the visual effect of impacts, but also gameplay mechanic of how damage effects the handling of the car and how the player must consider his approach to every turn and the other cars around him, because no there's real time and tangible consequences.

What I lay it down as is - if it's performance effecting then AAA, but if only cosmetic damage then AA.

Also want to comment on another cliche seen on this. That because of its 6 year dev cycle, it's assured of AAA or even AAAA status. This is a trap many too easily fall into. yeah even I've been guilty of this. I man lots of time, lots of work put into this, how can it not? need I remind people here of Too Human and Alan Wake? Long time spent of development is a guarantee of nothing. I mean aside from the damage issue, other factors remain unknown. Like what will the opponent AI be like? This has been a strike against the series in past games (rubber banding and what not), what do we know about it in this latest instalment?

At this stage there are still too many variables that could swing either way, so I say all this as a precautionary message.

Not really. It's been known for a while that all cars will have performance-affecting damage.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

I said this before and I'll say it gain. I think more than anything, the score hinges on the damage status. Sure there would be other factors, but damage will be the big issue. Yes we finally saw it in the preview videos, but what's the extent of the damage? Is it purely cosmetic, or will it also impair the performance of the cars? Forza series, among others, set the standard for damage in racing games, where it's not just the visual effect of impacts, but also gameplay mechanic of how damage effects the handling of the car and how the player must consider his approach to every turn and the other cars around him, because no there's real time and tangible consequences.

What I lay it down as is - if it's performance effecting then AAA, but if only cosmetic damage then AA.

Also want to comment on another cliche seen on this. That because of its 6 year dev cycle, it's assured of AAA or even AAAA status. This is a trap many too easily fall into. yeah even I've been guilty of this. I man lots of time, lots of work put into this, how can it not? need I remind people here of Too Human and Alan Wake? Long time spent of development is a guarantee of nothing. I mean aside from the damage issue, other factors remain unknown. Like what will the opponent AI be like? This has been a strike against the series in past games (rubber banding and what not), what do we know about it in this latest instalment?

At this stage there are still too many variables that could swing either way, so I say all this as a precautionary message.

asylumni

Not really. It's been known for a while that all cars will have performance-effecting damage.

HUGE FAILURE lol

to come out a year later and not top forza 3 would kill some ps3 fanboys on here

I HAVE AN IDEA!!!

Why don't you guys all not buy it, so its price drops really fast and I can buy it and review for you guys!!! lol jk.

What's the difference between a 9.0 and a 9.5? It's still AAA, even if one is .5 better.Timstuff

The game is gonna be a failure in my eyes anyway...realistic racer yawn...with worse graphics than dirt 2 pc...yea...