If Kinect fails, Microsoft's investors will pressure them to leave the industry.

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This is an old article, but it brings up very good points-

"On June 15, at a video game convention in Los Angeles, Microsoft (MSFT) will unveil a little box of outsize importance. Code-named Project Natal, the device will be an add-on to Microsoft's aging Xbox 360 game console, which has shipped 40 million units in five years. Xbox sales have been slowing since Sony (SNE) cut the price of the PlayStation 3 console last summer, but Microsoft hopes Natal will revive the Xbox—because it lets users play games without a controller. Just drive your pretend car or swing your virtual baseball bat and Natal, which sits in front of the TV and has built-in sensors, picks up the motion. Following the event in L.A., Microsoft is launching an ad blitz leading up to a consumer release in October.

Microsoft needs Natal—or whatever it's called by the time it goes on sale—to be a hit. The technology is inarguably cool, and is a rare bright spot in Microsoft's decade-old—and thus far mostly disappointing—push to move beyond PCs and into game consoles, music players, and smartphones. Operating income at its Entertainment & Devices unit, which is responsible for those products, is expected to come in at $773 million for the year that ends June 30, according to UBS Securities (UBS). That's a 10 percent operating margin, compared with 72 percent for Windows, its most profitable business. While the Xbox is a strong No. 2 in the video game market (after the Nintendo Wii), the entertainment division has lost $8.6 billion on sales of $49 billion since 1999, estimates Katherine Egbert of Jeffries & Co. An initiative to build Internet-based TV systems has yet to take off, and its iPod-like Zune music players have bombed. While Apple (AAPL) just sold its two millionth iPad, Microsoft recently scrapped a tablet code-named Courier. In smartphones, Microsoft's share in the first quarter was 6.8 percent, down from 10.2 percent the year before.

The Natal device, which is expected to retail for about $100, won't sell in volumes high enough to matter much financially for the world's largest software company. But since it works with the current Xbox 360 console, it could reinvigorate sales of that device. That means Microsoft could put off having to field a new console, which would lose hundreds of millions of dollars for a few years; profits come from higher-margin sales of games it creates such as the Halo franchise, as well as its cut on Xbox titles made by other companies. Natal could also fuel greater interest in Microsoft's most impressive consumer play, the Xbox Live online service. More than 23 million gamers use it to play each other over the Net, as well as to download movies and music.

If Natal takes off, Microsoft might be able to extend its reach into other platforms. It could be built into PC monitors and big-screen TVs, allowing consumers to control those devices by speech or motion, moving family photos the way Tom Cruise moved pictures and videos around in Minority Report. Forrester Research (FORR) analyst Sarah Rotman Epps envisions families synching their Natal-based Xbox console with Windows-based tablets such as the new model just announced by ASUSTeK, so each family member could easily download movies or books. "That would make Microsoft relevant for the next decade," she says.

Even as the company hypes Natal and its new mobile software, Windows Phone7, investors don't expect smash hits; in fact, they'd settle for small losses on these and other gadgets. "It's hard to make the case this has been a good use of shareholder capital," says Todd S. Lowenstein, who runs HighMark Capital's value fund. "I don't fault them for trying this stuff, but investors are getting impatient." Other investors suggest that, like IBM (IBM) a decade ago, Microsoft should refocus its efforts on its massively profitable PC and corporate software businesses. Its cash from operations last quarter alone was $7.4billion, a company record. Yet its shares are down about 50percent since Steve Ballmer took over as CEO on Jan.13, 2000. "The stock would go up if Microsoft exited its consumer businesses," says Bill Whyman of ISI Group.

Whyman knows Microsoft won't give up on entertainment. The company has long poured money into maturing markets from word processing to Web browsers, beating market pioneers by underpricing them into submission. "Ballmer's answer is always, 'We'll keep coming,' " says Whyman. "That's not a very comforting answer."

The bottom line: Despite pressure from investors and a flat stock price, Microsoft will keep searching for hits in games, phones, and other devices."

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#2 R3FURBISHED
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Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?
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Im pretty sure they will be fine either way
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#4 Blaze-Agent
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Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?R3FURBISHED

lol if you call 91, 000 alot. But seriously pre 0rders sometimes dont translate into actual sales so its silly to go by it. Lets just see how it does.

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#5 Half-Way
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sooo next gen will be apple instead of MS?

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#6 Santesyu
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I remember when I came up with this very same thread months of months ago and got flamed badly for it, my have the times changed.

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#7 SaltyMeatballs
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They already left the gaming industry... to the Kinect industry.

I remember when I came up with this very same thread months of months ago and got flamed badly for it, my have the times changed.

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sooo next gen will be apple instead of MS?

Half-Way
Nooooo! That wouldn't be very fun.
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#9 Casboof
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I don't think you guys understand that MS has made a killing this gen compared to last. Why would they leave the industry?

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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

sooo next gen will be apple instead of MS?

Ravensmash

Nooooo! That wouldn't be very fun.

Yea i kinda dont like apple either. Too arrogant and would prolly ruin the industry with over priced junk

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Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?R3FURBISHED
An adoption rate of a few million max. compared to 39 millions consoles...is not very good. We'll see how it plays out but M$ invested a lot in this financial manhole...you'd at least expect half of the 360 owners to buy Kinect before that investment is somewhat justified.
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?Blaze-Agent

lol if you call 91, 000 alot. But seriously pre 0rders sometimes dont translate into actual sales so its silly to go by it. Lets just see how it does.

True, I wouldn't expect casuals to pre-order a video game/console/peripheral.
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That article says MS won't give up on their entertainment divisions, so until (if) it happens, it means little what they say.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

sooo next gen will be apple instead of MS?

Blaze-Agent

Nooooo! That wouldn't be very fun.

Yea i kinda dont like apple either. Too arrogant and would prolly ruin the industry with over priced junk

no one likes them, ouer only hope is sega then

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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?Locutus_Picard
An adoption rate of a few million max. compared to 39 millions consoles...is not very good. We'll see how it plays out but M$ invested a lot in this financial manhole...you'd at least expect half of the 360 owners to buy Kinect before that investment is somewhat justified.

-.-

Are the pre-orders on Kinect actually at "a few million" or are you saying that you expect only a couple of million of people to buy Kinect?

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#16 ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ
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The device hasn't even been out 1 year and people are counting it out. i love these forums...

Kinect wont fail neither will the PS move.

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Micro$oft out of the gaming business?? Doubt it...they can't keep there hands out of the cookie jars.

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#18 Blaze-Agent
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I don't think you guys understand that MS has made a killing this gen compared to last. Why would they leave the industry?

Casboof

what killing? they lost over 4 billion dollars on the original xbox. Lost another 1 billion in repairs for the xbox 360. And another billions for the first 2 years when they sold the console at a loss. So nope. The whole Xbox entertainment division is still in the red. Same with sony. OnlyNintendo wii as made buckloads of money this gen.

I fear the route they are taking with Kinect. The wholeKin fiasco also makes me doubt the leadership of the company. Has many as said before. The founders of the Xbox are gone.And the new guys seem to talk more thando more.

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I don't think you guys understand that MS has made a killing this gen compared to last. Why would they leave the industry?

Casboof

Because fanboys laugh at common logic! If it was so easy to get an investor pissed off Sony and Nintendo would each be out long time ago.

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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?R3FURBISHED

An adoption rate of a few million max. compared to 39 millions consoles...is not very good. We'll see how it plays out but M$ invested a lot in this financial manhole...you'd at least expect half of the 360 owners to buy Kinect before that investment is somewhat justified.

-.-

Are the pre-orders on Kinect actually at "a few million" or are you saying that you expect only a couple of million of people to buy Kinect.

I expect a few million. Which is quite optimistic for an add-on, but marketing junk can go a loooong way.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

sooo next gen will be apple instead of MS?

Blaze-Agent

Nooooo! That wouldn't be very fun.

Yea i kinda dont like apple either. Too arrogant and would prolly ruin the industry with over priced junk

Kind of sounds like MS

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#22 Blaze-Agent
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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?R3FURBISHED

An adoption rate of a few million max. compared to 39 millions consoles...is not very good. We'll see how it plays out but M$ invested a lot in this financial manhole...you'd at least expect half of the 360 owners to buy Kinect before that investment is somewhat justified.

-.-

Are the pre-orders on Kinect actually at "a few million" or are you saying that you expect only a couple of million of people to buy Kinect?

Well for one the pre orders for kinect have notpast 6 figures in the US (according to VGChartz, see bigbossak for details). I expect it to be less in Europe.

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[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Nooooo! That wouldn't be very fun.DroidPhysX

Yea i kinda dont like apple either. Too arrogant and would prolly ruin the industry with over priced junk

Kind of sounds like MS

Like....?
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[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Nooooo! That wouldn't be very fun.DroidPhysX

Yea i kinda dont like apple either. Too arrogant and would prolly ruin the industry with over priced junk

Kind of sounds like MS

well if i were to pick between the 2. I would choose microsoft.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

Yea i kinda dont like apple either. Too arrogant and would prolly ruin the industry with over priced junk

Ravensmash

Kind of sounds like MS

Like....?

Do we really need to go in detail over this...? Overpriced propiatary HDD's Play & Charge Kit Propiatary Memory Cards XBL you name it, and it's overpriced.
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this article seems somewhat stupid... xbox 360 is a smashing success, zune and windows mobile platform are flops (and whatever else is part of their entertainment industry). Why they are lumping them all together... who the heck knows?

and why people are making the conclusion that this somehow means they are going to leave the console industry... i have no idea why (well of course i do, fanboys).

To me it sounds like the 360 is propping up the rest of their entertainment division in the article.

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#27 Blaze-Agent
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

Yea i kinda dont like apple either. Too arrogant and would prolly ruin the industry with over priced junk

Ravensmash

Kind of sounds like MS

Like....?

HDDVD Drive

Proprietary Flash Drives

Wifi Dongle

Overpriced Proprietary HDD

Their Operating Systems (Most of them are junk and yes they are over priced (500 bucks for Windows vista? Gimme a break)

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you name it, and it's overpriced.Locutus_Picard
The console itself.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Kind of sounds like MS

Locutus_Picard

Like....?

Do we really need to go in detail over this...? Overpriced propiatary HDD's Play & Charge Kit Propiatary Memory Cards XBL you name it, and it's overpriced.

I've only brought one of those things. At least none are compulsory with MS. With Apple, you want a branded product - you've got to buy the whole package for the price that they set.

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If MS leaves the industry then every gamer loses... immature fanboys aside, no one should hope for kinect or PS move to flop.

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I expect a few million. Which is quite optimistic for an add-on, but marketing junk can go a loooong way.Locutus_Picard

Except Kinect is not an add-on. The HD-DVD player was an add on, Kinect is being treated like an entirely new console release and will receive treatment as such.

You are also basing your assumptions on nothing, just FYI. :)

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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Like....?Ravensmash

Do we really need to go in detail over this...? Overpriced propiatary HDD's Play & Charge Kit Propiatary Memory Cards XBL you name it, and it's overpriced.

I've only brought one of those things. At least none are compulsory with MS. With Apple, you want a branded product - you've got to buy the whole package for the price that they set.

Yes thats why i dont like Apple. Too Greedy

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it won't fail. It's being to widely acclaimed. yeah you can bring up a few links of instances where some press hate on kinect but I can bring 5 positive links for each negative one you post. I hate that MS even though of kinect, I gotta live with it though. They're doing more than kinect atleast. PC and 360 both have Decentlineups frm them and MS is opening up more studios to meet the demand of games. I just hate it because Rare is being put on it. I honestly blame gamers for what happened to Rare. PDZ, VP, and BK N&B were all great. maybe not as great as N64 hits but they were some of the best games of thier years. Atleast BK4 and PD2 are both rumoured for 2011. However I fear Kinect might be required :( .
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#34 Blaze-Agent
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If MS leaves the industry then every gamer loses... immature fanboys aside, no one should hope for kinect or PS move to flop.

alfredooo

In all honesty the only thing i would miss from Microsoft is their Online. Thats about it. They dont really make games. And yes i dont want them to leave. because if they do. I know Apple will step in and ruin everything

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it won't fail. It's being to widely acclaimed. yeah you can bring up a few links of instances where some press hate on kinect but I can bring 5 positive links for each negative one you post. I hate that MS even though of kinect, I gotta live with it though. They're doing more than kinect atleast. PC and 360 both have Decentlineups frm them and MS is opening up more studios to meet the demand of games. I just hate it because Rare is being put on it. I honestly blame gamers for what happened to Rare. PDZ, VP, and BK N&B were all great. maybe not as great as N64 hits but they were some of the best games of thier years. Atleast BK4 and PD2 are both rumoured for 2011. However I fear Kinect might be required :( .mayceV

Wide Acclamation does not lead to long term sucess., Pricing is key and they got it all wrong. With the device and the games.

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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]I expect a few million. Which is quite optimistic for an add-on, but marketing junk can go a loooong way.R3FURBISHED

Except Kinect is not an add-on. The HD-DVD player was an add on, Kinect is being treated like an entirely new console release and will receive treatment as such.

You are also basing your assumptions on nothing, just FYI. :)

Thats why it needs to be sucessful for Microsoft or else thing wont look good at Redmond.

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this article seems somewhat stupid... xbox 360 is a smashing success, zune and windows mobile platform are flops (and whatever else is part of their entertainment industry). Why they are lumping them all together... who the heck knows?

and why people are making the conclusion that this somehow means they are going to leave the console industry... i have no idea why (well of course i do, fanboys).

To me it sounds like the 360 is propping up the rest of their entertainment division in the article.

markinthedark

"Smashing success" has to equate to profits, not sales numbers. And apparently, Microsoft investors aren't seeing the former.

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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]I expect a few million. Which is quite optimistic for an add-on, but marketing junk can go a loooong way.Blaze-Agent

Except Kinect is not an add-on. The HD-DVD player was an add on, Kinect is being treated like an entirely new console release and will receive treatment as such.

You are also basing your assumptions on nothing, just FYI. :)

Thats why it needs to be sucessful for Microsoft or else thing wont look good at Redmond.

And here I was thinking that the casual market was really digging Kinect...

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

this article seems somewhat stupid... xbox 360 is a smashing success, zune and windows mobile platform are flops (and whatever else is part of their entertainment industry). Why they are lumping them all together... who the heck knows?

and why people are making the conclusion that this somehow means they are going to leave the console industry... i have no idea why (well of course i do, fanboys).

To me it sounds like the 360 is propping up the rest of their entertainment division in the article.

Nintendonly

"Smashing success" has to equate to profits, not sales numbers. And apparently, Microsoft investors aren't seeing the former.

Microsoft investors saw more profits than Sony investors this gen. Does that mean Sony is leaving too?

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#40 93soccer
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The device hasn't even been out 1 year and people are counting it out. i love these forums...

Kinect wont fail neither will the PS move.

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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]I expect a few million. Which is quite optimistic for an add-on, but marketing junk can go a loooong way.R3FURBISHED

Except Kinect is not an add-on. The HD-DVD player was an add on, Kinect is being treated like an entirely new console release and will receive treatment as such.

You are also basing your assumptions on nothing, just FYI. :)

How is Kinect not an add-on? This Micro$oft indoctrination just baffles my mind! Yes I, but I for one do know that in Europe no one is hyped for Kinect. Europe is going to be the key for M$'s success. People in Europe don't have money to waste like the pre-ordering people in the U.S. do. Even the most M$-supporting fanatics are all like, ''Hell no, I'd rather buy a Wii.''. Gamers here are still on the fence on Motion Controls.
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]I expect a few million. Which is quite optimistic for an add-on, but marketing junk can go a loooong way.Locutus_Picard

Except Kinect is not an add-on. The HD-DVD player was an add on, Kinect is being treated like an entirely new console release and will receive treatment as such.

You are also basing your assumptions on nothing, just FYI. :)

How is Kinect not an add-on? This Micro$oft indoctrination just baffles my mind! Yes I, but I for one do know that in Europe no one is hyped for Kinect. Europe is going to be the key for M$'s success. People in Europe don't have money to waste like the pre-ordering people in the U.S. do. Even the most M$-supporting fanatics are all like, ''Hell no, I'd rather buy a Wii.''. Gamers here are still on the fence on Motion Controls.

It's got media coverage in the UK - even my mum heard about it.
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[QUOTE="mayceV"]it won't fail. It's being to widely acclaimed. yeah you can bring up a few links of instances where some press hate on kinect but I can bring 5 positive links for each negative one you post. I hate that MS even though of kinect, I gotta live with it though. They're doing more than kinect atleast. PC and 360 both have Decentlineups frm them and MS is opening up more studios to meet the demand of games. I just hate it because Rare is being put on it. I honestly blame gamers for what happened to Rare. PDZ, VP, and BK N&B were all great. maybe not as great as N64 hits but they were some of the best games of thier years. Atleast BK4 and PD2 are both rumoured for 2011. However I fear Kinect might be required :( .Blaze-Agent

Wide Acclamation does not lead to long term sucess., Pricing is key and they got it all wrong. With the device and the games.

Consumers are very hyped bout it too, If you can bear reading about Kinect sports go to Rare's website. They go from show to show and all families are amazed by it and tell them that they are picking up kinect and Kinict Sports. The only Kinect game that looks good is Child of Eden is that 50$? or is the 50$ thing only for 1st party Kinect games? I mean I agree 150$ for Kinect and a free game is overpriced but if one were to get the kinect 360 bundle it comes ready with everything with a 360. In all honesty the 360 kinect bundle is a pretty good deal a game, Kinect, a 360, people wil buy the bundle once they see the commercials and realize that it could be good family fun. and in reality some families may need some "family fun" time. If Kinect flops I will admit ownage. howevr that's very unlikely.
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Is she hyped for it?

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[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

this article seems somewhat stupid... xbox 360 is a smashing success, zune and windows mobile platform are flops (and whatever else is part of their entertainment industry). Why they are lumping them all together... who the heck knows?

and why people are making the conclusion that this somehow means they are going to leave the console industry... i have no idea why (well of course i do, fanboys).

To me it sounds like the 360 is propping up the rest of their entertainment division in the article.

waltefmoney

"Smashing success" has to equate to profits, not sales numbers. And apparently, Microsoft investors aren't seeing the former.

Microsoft investors saw more profits than Sony investors this gen. Does that mean Sony is leaving too?

YEs but like i stated earlier they have not made enough money to get the division out of thered. Secondly we dont know how much they are pouring into Kinect. Sony is no longer losing money.. However they have lost over 4 billion dollars. THats about all; the profit they made with their playstation brand.(yes includes Ps1 and ps2 and even the psp) They are hoping that bluray sales will make the investment worthwhile in the long run.

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[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]it won't fail. It's being to widely acclaimed. yeah you can bring up a few links of instances where some press hate on kinect but I can bring 5 positive links for each negative one you post. I hate that MS even though of kinect, I gotta live with it though. They're doing more than kinect atleast. PC and 360 both have Decentlineups frm them and MS is opening up more studios to meet the demand of games. I just hate it because Rare is being put on it. I honestly blame gamers for what happened to Rare. PDZ, VP, and BK N&B were all great. maybe not as great as N64 hits but they were some of the best games of thier years. Atleast BK4 and PD2 are both rumoured for 2011. However I fear Kinect might be required :( .mayceV

Wide Acclamation does not lead to long term sucess., Pricing is key and they got it all wrong. With the device and the games.

Consumers are very hyped bout it too, If you can bear reading about Kinect sports go to Rare's website. They go from show to show and all families are amazed by it and tell them that they are picking up kinect and Kinict Sports. The only Kinect game that looks good is Child of Eden is that 50$? or is the 50$ thing only for 1st party Kinect games? I mean I agree 150$ for Kinect and a free game is overpriced but if one were to get the kinect 360 bundle it comes ready with everything with a 360. In all honesty the 360 kinect bundle is a pretty good deal a game, Kinect, a 360, people wil buy the bundle once they see the commercials and realize that it could be good family fun. and in reality some families may need some "family fun" time. If Kinect flops I will admit ownage. howevr that's very unlikely.

Free game? You mean Joy Ride? It's not so free anymore...it's a seperate game now for $50.
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With search and advertising going to Google, Zune is WAY BACK in the pack, and phones going to RIM, Droid, and Apple ... with Microsoft bringing up the rear.

Buisness is important and http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/08/23/mac-enterprise-sales-surged-in-june/ APPLE gaining fast http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-government-sales-rose-200-percent-in-june/

Consumer sales of Apple and people using other OS systems and WEB browsing applacations increasing. Also, Wii sales blow out Xbox 360 and PS3 sales has grown world wide.

What will Microsoft do... Spend money on everything hoping to stay relevent?? Or focus on their core business?? Time and money are decreasing as time goes by. Will share holders hold on, or Move on ( :):D :lol: ). We will see.

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Is she hyped for it?

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Well she has no interest at all in gaming related news/anything, so obviously not. But there is definite interest.
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

"Smashing success" has to equate to profits, not sales numbers. And apparently, Microsoft investors aren't seeing the former.

Blaze-Agent

Microsoft investors saw more profits than Sony investors this gen. Does that mean Sony is leaving too?

YEs but like i stated earlier they have not made enough money to get the division out of thered. Secondly we dont know how much they are pouring into Kinect. Sony is no longer losing money.. However they have lost over 4 billion dollars. THats about all; the profit they made with their playstation brand.(yes includes Ps1 and ps2 and even the psp) They are hoping that bluray sales will make the investment worthwhile in the long run.

Microsoft has been making profits from the 360 for at least 2 years now, Sony only started gaining lately. So, I ask the TC - does that mean Sony will leave the market? Because according to him it doesn't matter if you had previous success like Microsoft with the 360, if Kinect flops that's it. So, following that logic, why should it matter that Sony was making money before?

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[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

Wide Acclamation does not lead to long term sucess., Pricing is key and they got it all wrong. With the device and the games.

Locutus_Picard

Consumers are very hyped bout it too, If you can bear reading about Kinect sports go to Rare's website. They go from show to show and all families are amazed by it and tell them that they are picking up kinect and Kinict Sports. The only Kinect game that looks good is Child of Eden is that 50$? or is the 50$ thing only for 1st party Kinect games? I mean I agree 150$ for Kinect and a free game is overpriced but if one were to get the kinect 360 bundle it comes ready with everything with a 360. In all honesty the 360 kinect bundle is a pretty good deal a game, Kinect, a 360, people wil buy the bundle once they see the commercials and realize that it could be good family fun. and in reality some families may need some "family fun" time. If Kinect flops I will admit ownage. howevr that's very unlikely.

Free game? You mean Joy Ride? It's not so free anymore...it's a seperate game now for $50.

kinect adventures comes with every kinect. and kinect bundle. Joy ride should have stayed a DD game. They should have just added the option for kinect Joy ride is LOL worthy now.