If Master Chief dies in Halo3
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[QUOTE="Chaos_Daro"]MC is so damn shallow, I seriously can't imagine how his death could have any impact. Unless he became really interesting in the third game (doubt it).redstormrisen
He might not be and interesting Character to people who have only played the games but after reading the books. You see him turn rom a 6 year old who needs to win to an unstoppable (almost) killing machine. You see his relationship with cortana turn from an annoyance to a great freindship.
Those are the people who are going to care if he dies.
but why should anyone have to read the books just to know more about the MC? don't you think it is the weakness on the part of the game's story?
Well its a fictionnal character so who actually caresDrCoCoPiMp
[QUOTE="ISA_Scum"]I hope the convenant castrate him for being suck-box's face character. He deserves it for helping to sell such a faulty product.squidder_doa
My second ever post I read in system wars :shock:
*leaves*
He quite honestly wouldn't care. The steroids ONI pumped into him has an adolesant repressed his sex drive. It would probably just be added weight he doesn't need :?.
And morded. The Master cief, despite being the character you play is not essential to the story unless you read the books. Hes a faceless hero and I bet some people like him that way.
And yes, it could be seen as a weakness that the main character seems to be a robot. That is the reason the arbiter was introduced into halo 2. He has motive, a good backstory and you CAN see the emotion. Its just people didn't like him so its back to the Master Chief.
[QUOTE="Chaos_Daro"]MC is so damn shallow, I seriously can't imagine how his death could have any impact. Unless he became really interesting in the third game (doubt it).redstormrisen
He might not be and interesting Character to people who have only played the games but after reading the books. You see him turn rom a 6 year old who needs to win to an unstoppable (almost) killing machine. You see his relationship with cortana turn from an annoyance to a great freindship.
Those are the people who are going to care if he dies.
Yah I saw my buds nephew had a set of halo books and it made me remember when I was his age I had a set of books 2 but they was for Doom. Good books btw.
[QUOTE="redstormrisen"][QUOTE="Chaos_Daro"]MC is so damn shallow, I seriously can't imagine how his death could have any impact. Unless he became really interesting in the third game (doubt it).Mordred19
He might not be and interesting Character to people who have only played the games but after reading the books. You see him turn rom a 6 year old who needs to win to an unstoppable (almost) killing machine. You see his relationship with cortana turn from an annoyance to a great freindship.
Those are the people who are going to care if he dies.
but why should anyone have to read the books just to know more about the MC? don't you think it is the weakness on the part of the game's story?
Supplemental material should round out background stuff not TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
if he die he die and that's it...master chief doesn't compare to superman or even duke nukem for me sorry...He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.
Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:
DazKurupt
Well its a fictionnal character so who actually caresDrCoCoPiMp
Well its about depth of story as you play halo 3 imo. We know its not real. Its just story.While you play a game though many people care about the story. If its a lame story you may just not play.
[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]if he die he die and that's it...master chief doesn't compare to superman or even duke nukem for me sorry...He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.
Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:
Cedric169
I know he doesnt compare to superman, it just reminded me of that incident.
[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"][QUOTE="Chaos_Daro"]MC is so damn shallow, I seriously can't imagine how his death could have any impact. Unless he became really interesting in the third game (doubt it).Bread_or_Decide
He might not be and interesting Character to people who have only played the games but after reading the books. You see him turn rom a 6 year old who needs to win to an unstoppable (almost) killing machine. You see his relationship with cortana turn from an annoyance to a great freindship.
Those are the people who are going to care if he dies.
but why should anyone have to read the books just to know more about the MC? don't you think it is the weakness on the part of the game's story?
Supplemental material should round out background stuff not TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
that's kind of what I meant to say, but without at least two cups of coffee, I'm not articlulate enough for heated debate on SW.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]Incorrect. The games tell the story quite well, but in an unconventional way. If you're not ready to listen to all the little bits and pieces, you'll miss out on the whole thing. Reading the books gives you more of what you've already been given. Bungie is masterful at telling a story.This "read the book" junk is just an excuse for sloppy story telling.
Viviath
No matter how ingenious and deep your story and characters are, if you cant express them clearly through your chosen medium, it is a waste. So while im sure the Halo books clear alot of things up, they should have taken care of that in the game. I mean how the hell can u leave out character development of your main character from your game!? that is just disgusting. You can argue about the story, but lack of character development for master chief ingame is the most abysmal thing i have ever witnessed when it comes to story telling.
Reread my post. You didn't really respond to it.[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]Incorrect. The games tell the story quite well, but in an unconventional way. If you're not ready to listen to all the little bits and pieces, you'll miss out on the whole thing. Reading the books gives you more of what you've already been given. Bungie is masterful at telling a story.This "read the book" junk is just an excuse for sloppy story telling.
bobby_king
No matter how ingenious and deep your story and characters are, if you cant express them clearly through your chosen medium, it is a waste. So while im sure the Halo books clear alot of things up, they should have taken care of that in the game. I mean how the hell can u leave out character development of your main character from your game!? that is just disgusting. You can argue about the story, but lack of character development for master chief ingame is the most abysmal thing i have ever witnessed when it comes to story telling.
Man that's the most pathetic thing I've read today. You can add to the Halo-story by reading the books - if you want to. So you can understand the whole story - if you want to. Apparently, you don't want to, so stop complaining about it when you're to lazy to care.
You can only blame yourself for not caring about him, because some do care about him. In their eyes, he'll be a legend when he dies, who are you to say that's wrong when you don't know what they do know?
Firstly you need to calm down...I know its your time of the month, but try to stay calm. Secondly, I understand that If i wanted to know more about Master Chief i could read the books, and I choose not to because I'm not a die-hard Halo fan willing to dish out extra money on the books. Fair enough. But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid. I'm buying what is supposedly a full product. No where on the Halo manaul does it say "Books needed to understand the game." Halo and Halo 2 and Halo 3 are 3 independent products. Yes they are related, but they are independent. As that is the case, one should be able to pick up any version of Halo, and more or less have a coherent story of whats going on. Much like if you were to pick up GoWII before playing GoWI you wouldnt be completely lost. GoWII does an excellent job of clearly exploring Kratos' character and his current dilemma through flash backs and emotional story telling. Even with a plt as complex as MGS. If you were to pick up Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty to day, you may not be aware of all the nuances of the event of Shadow Moses or the actual importance of the character such as Meryl and Liquid snake, but under no circumstance would you be lost. There is a small story in MGS2 that fits well in the overall MGS story line. Much like Snake Eater was great as a stand alone story, but knowledge of the other MGSes made it more rewarding. Like any good book out there that comes in parts, you should be able to pick up any part, whether it be part 2 or part 5 and completely understand the story encapsulated within that book. That is what Halo fails to do, and that is why I complain about Halo's story.
Listen, Halo is no longer a game, it's a universe of games, books, comics and soon movies. It's like Star Wars, are you complaining about not knowing everything about the houndreds of books and comics in the 6 movies? No, of course you're not. The games tells you all you need to know. If you want to know more, you'öö get your fix somewhere else outside of the games.bobby_king
Exactly, this is like evolution of the way storys are told across all mediums. I was thinking the same thing like star wars universe.
[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"][QUOTE="Chaos_Daro"]MC is so damn shallow, I seriously can't imagine how his death could have any impact. Unless he became really interesting in the third game (doubt it).Bread_or_Decide
He might not be and interesting Character to people who have only played the games but after reading the books. You see him turn rom a 6 year old who needs to win to an unstoppable (almost) killing machine. You see his relationship with cortana turn from an annoyance to a great freindship.
Those are the people who are going to care if he dies.
but why should anyone have to read the books just to know more about the MC? don't you think it is the weakness on the part of the game's story?
Supplemental material should round out background stuff not TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
That is all it does. Both halo one and two have perfectly funtional storys. Halo CEs was better, no doubt about it. I still loved the storyline of halo 2.
Right at the start of Halo 2 you see a fleet commander (covanant) being put on trial for leting halo be destroyed. The first time I saw this it was awsome. After reading the books you realise that he actually was on the ship the MC took over to escape and that he was defeted by them. Theres a relationship before they meet through gravemind. Does not knowing this take away from the story? No but is definatly adds to it.
Oh yeah. What bobby_king said as well.
No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
Viviath
Halo has a great and lucid story if you pay attention to what is going on during the game. Just because it doesn't force feed you the story in the form of twenty-minute cut-scenes after every ten minutes of gameplay like MGS doesn't mean it does a bad job at telling its story. It simply means that it's easy to get confused if you miss the details, which come at you fairly quickly during crucial moments.Mark36111
Cutscenes in a fps would be annoying they know what they doing.
That is all it does. Both halo one and two have perfectly funtional storys. Halo CEs was better, no doubt about it. I still loved the storyline of halo 2.
Right at the start of Halo 2 you see a fleet commander (covanant) being put on trial for leting halo be destroyed. The first time I saw this it was awsome. After reading the books you realise that he actually was on the ship the MC took over to escape and that he was defeted by them. Theres a relationship before they meet through gravemind. Does not knowing this take away from the story? No but is definatly adds to it.
redstormrisen
I actually preffered Halo 2's storyline. Seeing both sides of the war and playingboth sides was really interesting.
If Halo 3 can take that and knock it up a notch then it can tell a fully realized story. I believe its possible but I also believe its been a weakness in the games thus far.
[QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
musicalmac
You do realize that ussualy when a sizeable amount of your customers are dissatisfied with your story, as an aurthor/artist, you have failed. It doesn matter if you think that I lack the IQ to fully comprehend "Bungie's brilliant story telling methods" If I cant understand it, and alot of other people cant understand it, Bungie is doing sumthing wrong. Alot of people go on about how shallow Mr. Chief is, and even if we are all mistaken and unbelievably naive, it is still Bungies fault for not presenting the subject in a manner that is more clear and coherent.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
Viviath
You do realize that ussualy when a sizeable amount of your customers are dissatisfied with your story, as an aurthor/artist, you have failed. It doesn matter if you think that I lack the IQ to fully comprehend "Bungie's brilliant story telling methods" If I cant understand it, and alot of other people cant understand it, Bungie is doing sumthing wrong. Alot of people go on about how shallow Mr. Chief is, and even if we are all mistaken and unbelievably naive, it is still Bungies fault for not presenting the subject in a manner that is more clear and coherent.
They obviously havnt failed , Halo 3 has already sold many copys through pre orders... They deliver story in there own way.
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
Viviath
You do realize that ussualy when a sizeable amount of your customers are dissatisfied with your story, as an aurthor/artist, you have failed. It doesn matter if you think that I lack the IQ to fully comprehend "Bungie's brilliant story telling methods" If I cant understand it, and alot of other people cant understand it, Bungie is doing sumthing wrong. Alot of people go on about how shallow Mr. Chief is, and even if we are all mistaken and unbelievably naive, it is still Bungies fault for not presenting the subject in a manner that is more clear and coherent.
A lot of people can't understand the meaning and themes of the Iliad. Instead of telling the greatest story in the history of man, should Homer have dumbed his work down to a level basic enough for troglodytes like you to digest?
[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
Mark36111
You do realize that ussualy when a sizeable amount of your customers are dissatisfied with your story, as an aurthor/artist, you have failed. It doesn matter if you think that I lack the IQ to fully comprehend "Bungie's brilliant story telling methods" If I cant understand it, and alot of other people cant understand it, Bungie is doing sumthing wrong. Alot of people go on about how shallow Mr. Chief is, and even if we are all mistaken and unbelievably naive, it is still Bungies fault for not presenting the subject in a manner that is more clear and coherent.
A lot of people can't understand the meaning and themes of the Iliad. Instead of telling the greatest story in the history of man, should Homer have dumbed it down to a level basic enough for troglodytes like you to digest?
I see your point but I hope you're not comparing Halo to the Iliad.
This is my opinion...so please dont flame. When or if MC dies in Halo3 he will not get immortalized. Why you ask? because we dont know MC. Superman was immortalized because we knew him. We knew what he stood for, where he came from, what he wanted to do. We knew the man behind the cape. As for MC we dont know anything about him. He doesnt even have a glimmer of persona in his character. So when he dies, he will not be remembered, but Halo will be remembered. The game has far more personality than its protagonist. Now, when David (Solid Snake) dies in MGS4 guns of the patriots...that will place him in legendary status. He was a human being with emotions. Always pondering the value of his life, and the decisions he makes. He is a damaged hero, which is sumthing alot of people can relate to. When he finally dies in the epic finally, people will remember the man (character?) over the game.Viviath
Nice. Have to agree with this one.
[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
Mark36111
You do realize that ussualy when a sizeable amount of your customers are dissatisfied with your story, as an aurthor/artist, you have failed. It doesn matter if you think that I lack the IQ to fully comprehend "Bungie's brilliant story telling methods" If I cant understand it, and alot of other people cant understand it, Bungie is doing sumthing wrong. Alot of people go on about how shallow Mr. Chief is, and even if we are all mistaken and unbelievably naive, it is still Bungies fault for not presenting the subject in a manner that is more clear and coherent.
A lot of people can't understand the meaning and themes of the Iliad. Instead of telling the greatest story in the history of man, should Homer have dumbed his work down to a level basic enough for troglodytes like you to digest?
they dont understand the underlying themes and meanings, but they understand the story. The Illiad and the Oddessy are stories with multiple lvls of complexity, Much like Kafkas novels. To the non estute person, they are merely entertaining stories about ones toils and trouble while to the much more refined reader, the deeper underlying themes are revealed. But even without these deep understanding, one still feels as if they have gotten a complete story. Halo on the other hand doesnt do that at all. The only 2 lvls of understandin are Game understanding where you are left thinking "WTF!?" and book understanding where Mr. Chief is reportedly the most complex character to ever grace any medium, easily quashing the complexity of Anne Rice's Louis and Lestat the vampire. and to the poster above u, Halo sold well, because it has phenominal game play. Much like Tekken sells like hot cakes even the story is basically none existant.
[QUOTE="Mark36111"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
Bread_or_Decide
You do realize that ussualy when a sizeable amount of your customers are dissatisfied with your story, as an aurthor/artist, you have failed. It doesn matter if you think that I lack the IQ to fully comprehend "Bungie's brilliant story telling methods" If I cant understand it, and alot of other people cant understand it, Bungie is doing sumthing wrong. Alot of people go on about how shallow Mr. Chief is, and even if we are all mistaken and unbelievably naive, it is still Bungies fault for not presenting the subject in a manner that is more clear and coherent.
A lot of people can't understand the meaning and themes of the Iliad. Instead of telling the greatest story in the history of man, should Homer have dumbed it down to a level basic enough for troglodytes like you to digest?
I see your point but I hope you're not comparing Halo to the Iliad.
I knew that somebody would accuse me of comparing Halo to Homer, even though I wrote nothing to suggest that I was. I was simply making the point that citing the fact that many people don't understand a story does not prove that the story in question is bad or incogent. In most instances, this is simply a result of of the deficiencies of those failing to comprehend, not a fault that can be credited to the story's creators.
A lot of people can't understand the meaning and themes of the Iliad. Instead of telling the greatest story in the history of man, should Homer have dumbed his work down to a level basic enough for troglodytes like you to digest?
Mark36111
I'd say that the Bhagavad Gita has that honour.
[QUOTE="proof11102"]:|He's a vidoegame character, and not a very involved one either....get a grip.DazKurupt
Did you play ff7 and watch aeris die?
only differance is with Aeris , there was much more of a plot, MC it's more like here he is the baddass MC, Ok no kill **** then it's another Movie, showing MC kill something, and now your him again, MC has died millions of times, thank god for Restart. But the story is not that important in Halo, it's your basic Aliens taking over Plot, with a strong protaganist, been done before and been done after(Gears of War?)[QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
musicalmac
There's a difference between story and story-telling. I for one agree that Halo has a very engaging story. But how it's told is hardly worth commending.
[QUOTE="Mark36111"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Viviath"]No it's not. You just don't seem to understand the finer points of how brilliantly Bungie tells a story. They've been doing it since 1994. You are choosing not to try and understand it. The fault is with you on this one.But that doesnt excuse the fact that the story telling in the games is horrid.
Viviath
You do realize that ussualy when a sizeable amount of your customers are dissatisfied with your story, as an aurthor/artist, you have failed. It doesn matter if you think that I lack the IQ to fully comprehend "Bungie's brilliant story telling methods" If I cant understand it, and alot of other people cant understand it, Bungie is doing sumthing wrong. Alot of people go on about how shallow Mr. Chief is, and even if we are all mistaken and unbelievably naive, it is still Bungies fault for not presenting the subject in a manner that is more clear and coherent.
A lot of people can't understand the meaning and themes of the Iliad. Instead of telling the greatest story in the history of man, should Homer have dumbed his work down to a level basic enough for troglodytes like you to digest?
they dont understand the underlying themes and meanings, but they understand the story. The Illiad and the Oddessy are stories with multiple lvls of complexity, Much like Kafkas novels. To the non estute person, they are merely entertaining stories about ones toils and trouble while to the much more refined reader, the deeper underlying themes are revealed. But even without these deep understanding, one still feels as if they have gotten a complete story. Halo on the other hand doesnt do that at all. The only 2 lvls of understandin are Game understanding where you are left thinking "WTF!?" and book understanding where Mr. Chief is reportedly the most complex character to ever grace any medium, easily quashing the complexity of Anne Rice's Louis and Lestat the vampire. and to the poster above u, Halo sold well, because it has phenominal game play. Much like Tekken sells like hot cakes even the story is basically none existant.
Every tekken has story line and its usualy the best as fighting games go after you win arcade mode storys are told in beautifull cg for each character unlike alot of other fighting games.
FPS game and fighting games arent dependent on story as much as an rpg. So if you want complete story told play an rpg :) and even in an rpg there are things left out purposley.
How could you talk smack about tekkens story? Its a fighting game they not known for story and for a fighting game its got one of the best story lines.
they dont understand the underlying themes and meanings, but they understand the story. The Illiad and the Oddessy are stories with multiple lvls of complexity, Much like Kafkas novels. To the non estute person, they are merely entertaining stories about ones toils and trouble while to the much more refined reader, the deeper underlying themes are revealed. But even without these deep understanding, one still feels as if they have gotten a complete story. Halo on the other hand doesnt do that at all. The only 2 lvls of understandin are Game understanding where you are left thinking "WTF!?" and book understanding where Mr. Chief is reportedly the most complex character to ever grace any medium, easily quashing the complexity of Anne Rice's Louis and Lestat the vampire. and to the poster above u, Halo sold well, because it has phenominal game play. Much like Tekken sells like hot cakes even the story is basically none existant.Viviath
The same principles you just outlined with regards to the Iliad apply to Halo as well. In both cases, to understand the deeper intricacies of what is going on, one must either possess sufficient comprehension skills or else be willing to reread (or replay) multiple times. However, somebody can understand the base story of Halo just as easily as they can understand the base story of the Iliad, and probably easier, in fact. If somebody plays through Halo and doesn't understand the gist of what is going on, they were either not paying attention or are certifiably retarded.
[QUOTE="Viviath"]they dont understand the underlying themes and meanings, but they understand the story. The Illiad and the Oddessy are stories with multiple lvls of complexity, Much like Kafkas novels. To the non estute person, they are merely entertaining stories about ones toils and trouble while to the much more refined reader, the deeper underlying themes are revealed. But even without these deep understanding, one still feels as if they have gotten a complete story. Halo on the other hand doesnt do that at all. The only 2 lvls of understandin are Game understanding where you are left thinking "WTF!?" and book understanding where Mr. Chief is reportedly the most complex character to ever grace any medium, easily quashing the complexity of Anne Rice's Louis and Lestat the vampire. and to the poster above u, Halo sold well, because it has phenominal game play. Much like Tekken sells like hot cakes even the story is basically none existant.Mark36111
The same principles you just outlined with regards to the Iliad apply to Halo as well. In both cases, to understand the deeper intricacies of what is going on, one must either possess sufficient comprehension skills or else be willing to reread (or replay) multiple times. However, somebody can understand the base story of Halo just as easily as they can understand the base story of the Iliad, and probably easier, in fact. If somebody plays through Halo and doesn't understand the gist of what is going on, they were either not paying attention or are certifiably retarded.
I hardly think Halo has as much "underlying themes" as the Iliad. If any.
Given your argument, you could apply that to any peice of literature. The application of "text" and "subtext". I could be reading aesop's fables or any of the tales from the grimm brothers and surmise a plethora of allusions that support a more profound reading of the text.
Just as I could note the "hero" and "anti-hero" themes of Tekken, or explore the Marxist undertones of Starcraft.
[QUOTE="Mark36111"][QUOTE="Viviath"]they dont understand the underlying themes and meanings, but they understand the story. The Illiad and the Oddessy are stories with multiple lvls of complexity, Much like Kafkas novels. To the non estute person, they are merely entertaining stories about ones toils and trouble while to the much more refined reader, the deeper underlying themes are revealed. But even without these deep understanding, one still feels as if they have gotten a complete story. Halo on the other hand doesnt do that at all. The only 2 lvls of understandin are Game understanding where you are left thinking "WTF!?" and book understanding where Mr. Chief is reportedly the most complex character to ever grace any medium, easily quashing the complexity of Anne Rice's Louis and Lestat the vampire. and to the poster above u, Halo sold well, because it has phenominal game play. Much like Tekken sells like hot cakes even the story is basically none existant.x_boyfriend
The same principles you just outlined with regards to the Iliad apply to Halo as well. In both cases, to understand the deeper intricacies of what is going on, one must either possess sufficient comprehension skills or else be willing to reread (or replay) multiple times. However, somebody can understand the base story of Halo just as easily as they can understand the base story of the Iliad, and probably easier, in fact. If somebody plays through Halo and doesn't understand the gist of what is going on, they were either not paying attention or are certifiably retarded.
I hardly think Halo has as much "underlying themes" as the Iliad. If any.
Given your argument, you could apply that to any peice of literature. The application of "text" and "subtext". I could be reading aesop's fables or any of the tales from the grimm brothers and surmise a plethora of allusions that support a more profound reading of the text.
Just as I could note the "hero" and "anti-hero" themes of Tekken, or explore the Marxist undertones of Starcraft.
Thats Deep. Marxist I gota look that one up ....
Ok, instead of us bickering like little girls, why dont you just educate me. What is the gravemind? or whatever that weird octopus like thing in the water was? Why are the Covenants attacking humans? Why is there a religious rebellion occuring within the Convenant side? Why were Halos created? I mean what purpose does a life extinguishing product like that serve...other than for the obligatory mad genious who kills because he has nothing better to do? What is master chief? Why doesnt he take off his mask even at awards ceremonies? Why is there only on Masterchief when you land on the Halo. I mean if he is so amazing at combat you think they would send 10 of them at the Halo. Who made the Flood? because they inhabit artificailly created worlds, they must be artificaially created or have been moved to the Halo. What is master chief? Why did humans go to the first halo in the first place? Why does the gravemind act as an intermediary force between MC and the Arbiter. whats the Arbiter's real name? whats master chiefs real name? How does Halo have its own atmosphere when they structure of the "planet" makes it impossible for it have enough central mass to contain gases on its surface? and last but not least, seeing as the gravity of the Halos is different from earth (you can see by the way you jump and float down slowly) why isnt everything else more grand and large? does Halo have any natural inhabitants other than the flood?
Viviath
If he answers, he'd better warn for spoilers. I'm not done with Halo 2 yet.
[QUOTE="Viviath"]Ok, instead of us bickering like little girls, why dont you just educate me. What is the gravemind? or whatever that weird octopus like thing in the water was? Why are the Covenants attacking humans? Why is there a religious rebellion occuring within the Convenant side? Why were Halos created? I mean what purpose does a life extinguishing product like that serve...other than for the obligatory mad genious who kills because he has nothing better to do? What is master chief? Why doesnt he take off his mask even at awards ceremonies? Why is there only on Masterchief when you land on the Halo. I mean if he is so amazing at combat you think they would send 10 of them at the Halo. Who made the Flood? because they inhabit artificailly created worlds, they must be artificaially created or have been moved to the Halo. What is master chief? Why did humans go to the first halo in the first place? Why does the gravemind act as an intermediary force between MC and the Arbiter. whats the Arbiter's real name? whats master chiefs real name? How does Halo have its own atmosphere when they structure of the "planet" makes it impossible for it have enough central mass to contain gases on its surface? and last but not least, seeing as the gravity of the Halos is different from earth (you can see by the way you jump and float down slowly) why isnt everything else more grand and large? does Halo have any natural inhabitants other than the flood?
x_boyfriend
If he answers, he'd better warn for spoilers. I'm not done with Halo 2 yet.
Me either
He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.
Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:
DazKurupt
But hopefully he doesn't come back like Superman did. That sucked.
Ok, instead of us bickering like little girls, why dont you just educate me. What is the gravemind? or whatever that weird octopus like thing in the water was? Why are the Covenants attacking humans? Why is there a religious rebellion occuring within the Convenant side? Why were Halos created? I mean what purpose does a life extinguishing product like that serve...other than for the obligatory mad genious who kills because he has nothing better to do? What is master chief? Why doesnt he take off his mask even at awards ceremonies? Why is there only on Masterchief when you land on the Halo. I mean if he is so amazing at combat you think they would send 10 of them at the Halo. Who made the Flood? because they inhabit artificailly created worlds, they must be artificaially created or have been moved to the Halo. What is master chief? Why did humans go to the first halo in the first place? Why does the gravemind act as an intermediary force between MC and the Arbiter. whats the Arbiter's real name? whats master chiefs real name? How does Halo have its own atmosphere when they structure of the "planet" makes it impossible for it have enough central mass to contain gases on its surface? and last but not least, seeing as the gravity of the Halos is different from earth (you can see by the way you jump and float down slowly) why isnt everything else more grand and large? does Halo have any natural inhabitants other than the flood?
Viviath
The story is still untold.....Very inquisitive you are :D
I don't get it? Link never talks and yet he is a very popular character...
Still if MC does die, I will be sad then relived, at least they can't make any more sequels of him....maybe the arbiter....
I hardly think Halo has as much "underlying themes" as the Iliad. If any.
Given your argument, you could apply that to any peice of literature. The application of "text" and "subtext". I could be reading aesop's fables or any of the tales from the grimm brothers and surmise a plethora of allusions that support a more profound reading of the text.
Just as I could note the "hero" and "anti-hero" themes of Tekken, or explore the Marxist undertones of Starcraft.
x_boyfriend
If you think Halo is devoid of underlying themes, you haven't played halo. :| Heck, is it possible to not pick up on the whole biblical thing while playing that game?
And heck, i cant remember the last time i played an FPS that any decent excuse of story since half life. So quit complaining and nit picking for the sake of it and appreciate that fact that for a shooter, halo's story and storytelling is definately worthy of praise.
[QUOTE="x_boyfriend"]I hardly think Halo has as much "underlying themes" as the Iliad. If any.
Given your argument, you could apply that to any peice of literature. The application of "text" and "subtext". I could be reading aesop's fables or any of the tales from the grimm brothers and surmise a plethora of allusions that support a more profound reading of the text.
Just as I could note the "hero" and "anti-hero" themes of Tekken, or explore the Marxist undertones of Starcraft.
Ninja-Vox
If you think Halo is devoid of underlying themes, you haven't played halo. :| Heck, is it possible to not pick up on the whole biblical thing while playing that game?
And heck, i cant remember the last time i played an FPS that any decent excuse of story since half life. So quit complaining and nit picking for the sake of it and appreciate that fact that for a shooter, halo's story and storytelling is definately worthy of praise.
agree
If the Chief dies, expect HaloZero (the prequel). Bungie is making too much money off the series to kill off its star.Dreams-Visions
I think they're moving onto a new IP after Halo. They were going to after Halo 2, and only went with Halo 3 instead because they thought it unfair to leave fans waiting so long for the ending after the cliffhanger in Halo 2. This might not be the end of Halo, but after Halo 3 bungie will definately be moving onto something else. Which isn't a bad thing, so long as they come up with something as successful as halo.
Ok, instead of us bickering like little girls, why dont you just educate me. What is the gravemind? or whatever that weird octopus like thing in the water was? Why are the Covenants attacking humans? Why is there a religious rebellion occuring within the Convenant side? Why were Halos created? I mean what purpose does a life extinguishing product like that serve...other than for the obligatory mad genious who kills because he has nothing better to do? What is master chief? Why doesnt he take off his mask even at awards ceremonies? Why is there only on Masterchief when you land on the Halo. I mean if he is so amazing at combat you think they would send 10 of them at the Halo. Who made the Flood? because they inhabit artificailly created worlds, they must be artificaially created or have been moved to the Halo. What is master chief? Why did humans go to the first halo in the first place? Why does the gravemind act as an intermediary force between MC and the Arbiter. whats the Arbiter's real name? whats master chiefs real name? How does Halo have its own atmosphere when they structure of the "planet" makes it impossible for it have enough central mass to contain gases on its surface? and last but not least, seeing as the gravity of the Halos is different from earth (you can see by the way you jump and float down slowly) why isnt everything else more grand and large? does Halo have any natural inhabitants other than the flood?thats too many Questions.... just play the game...
Viviath
[QUOTE="Viviath"]Ok, instead of us bickering like little girls, why dont you just educate me. What is the gravemind? or whatever that weird octopus like thing in the water was? Why are the Covenants attacking humans? Why is there a religious rebellion occuring within the Convenant side? Why were Halos created? I mean what purpose does a life extinguishing product like that serve...other than for the obligatory mad genious who kills because he has nothing better to do? What is master chief? Why doesnt he take off his mask even at awards ceremonies? Why is there only on Masterchief when you land on the Halo. I mean if he is so amazing at combat you think they would send 10 of them at the Halo. Who made the Flood? because they inhabit artificailly created worlds, they must be artificaially created or have been moved to the Halo. What is master chief? Why did humans go to the first halo in the first place? Why does the gravemind act as an intermediary force between MC and the Arbiter. whats the Arbiter's real name? whats master chiefs real name? How does Halo have its own atmosphere when they structure of the "planet" makes it impossible for it have enough central mass to contain gases on its surface? and last but not least, seeing as the gravity of the Halos is different from earth (you can see by the way you jump and float down slowly) why isnt everything else more grand and large? does Halo have any natural inhabitants other than the flood?thats too many Questions.... just play the game...
killtactics
Thats my point...the games dont answer the above questions...
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