If Master Chief dies in Halo3

[QUOTE="Mark36111"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Ouch Mark36111.... i already explained all that. :PViviath

Yeah, and I see that both of our posts have been conveniently ignored by the guy claiming that you had to have read the books to understand Halo's story line. All you really need to do is pay attention.

I read your posts and found them very helpful....I just didnt have anything to say so i didnt respond...no point making a filler post.

You didn't respond to me saying cortana never explains plot points in the middle of a gunfight either... you said i was braindead or a shameless liar, remember? :roll:

Wow, thanks Ninja and Mark for the synopsis on the Halo story,. There were a few things in there I did not know or had forgotten about.

I truly hope they never show the MC's face. We all have a mental image of what he looks like, and having them give him a face would spoil the fun. I also think they'll do the classic end where it seems like he dies, but they will give a glimmer of hope at the end that suggests he survives somehow...

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

DazKurupt

same will happen if solid snake dies

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"]If you require a link I can get it for you but do you take my word? This was actually discussed among Bungie fans a few years ago and Bungie came out and officially announced the books to be canon to stop the arguing.Vandalvideo

How is the story disjointed? And how exactly are there tons of authors? You mean two? Heck, just one really. I mean Eric Nylund did the three books, the fourth was by William something and all that was was Halo 1 in book-form.

It isn't disjointed at all. :? And heck they are canon because they're all taken from what bungie calls "The Halo Story Bible". Literally a series of events in chronological order written by Joe Staten, the lead writer of the halo story itself.

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

[QUOTE="proof11102"]:|He's a vidoegame character, and not a very involved one either....get a grip.MegaPigeon

Did you play ff7 and watch aeris die?

I'll have to disagree with you there. Master Chief has a gruff voice and is 7 feet tall....that's about as close as he gets to being a clichéd bad-ass action hero. The mear fact that we don't know how he looks doesn't stop him from being a good character. Darth Vader is a great character, and we didn't see how he looked until the last moments in the trilogy. Seeing his face didn't make me feel more engaged with him. Hell, he was actually a better character when you didn't see his face.

This is true. Also Aeris would of never been a memorable character had she not been killed off.

[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="Mark36111"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Ouch Mark36111.... i already explained all that. :PNinja-Vox

Yeah, and I see that both of our posts have been conveniently ignored by the guy claiming that you had to have read the books to understand Halo's story line. All you really need to do is pay attention.

I read your posts and found them very helpful....I just didnt have anything to say so i didnt respond...no point making a filler post.

You didn't respond to me saying cortana never explains plot points in the middle of a gunfight either... you said i was braindead or a shameless liar, remember? :roll:

yea. you are claiming that in all the gameplay of Halo 1 and Halo 2 there isnt a single point in the game when Cortana makes a comment that pertains to the Halo story outside of a cutscene? and i say thats BS. If i had my Xbox here with me I would find you a place where she does make a comment that pertains to the Halo lore outside of a cutscene.

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

liquidus1snake

same will happen if solid snake dies

No doubt. :D

is the story disjointed? And how exactly are there tons of authors? You mean two? Heck, just one really. I mean Eric Nylund did the three books, the fourth was by William something and all that was was Halo 1 in book-form.It isn't disjointed at all. :? And heck they are canon because they're all taken from what bungie calls "The Halo Story Bible". Literally a series of events in chronological order written by Joe Staten, the lead writer of the halo story itself.>Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"]If you require a link I can get it for you but do you take my word? This was actually discussed among Bungie fans a few years ago and Bungie came out and officially announced the books to be canon to stop the arguing.Ninja-Vox

How is the story disjointed? And how exactly are there tons of authors? You mean two? Heck, just one really. I mean Eric Nylund did the three books, the fourth was by William something and all that was was Halo 1 in book-form.

It isn't disjointed at all. :? And heck they are canon because they're all taken from what bungie calls "The Halo Story Bible". Literally a series of events in chronological order written by Joe Staten, the lead writer of the halo story itself.

ok now im curious....did halo save you mother or sumthing? You seem to be very "devoted" and unwilling to even entertain the idea that Halo could possibly have a flaw.

Wow, thanks Ninja and Mark for the synopsis on the Halo story,. There were a few things in there I did not know or had forgotten about.

I truly hope they never show the MC's face. We all have a mental image of what he looks like, and having them give him a face would spoil the fun. I also think they'll do the classic end where it seems like he dies, but they will give a glimmer of hope at the end that suggests he survives somehow...

TheCrazed420

Ya its an easy way for all who play to relate to a suit rather then someone with features.

ok now im curious....did halo save you mother or sumthing? You seem to be very "devoted" and unwilling to even entertain the idea that Halo could possibly have a flaw.

Viviath

We're talking about whether or not the books are canon; not whether they are flawed. And honestly, you're just upset because every point you've made has been debunked completely, so heck, let's just attempt to save some dignity and say the other guy is a fanboy.

Whatever. If you dont have an arguement, dont post.

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"]If you require a link I can get it for you but do you take my word? This was actually discussed among Bungie fans a few years ago and Bungie came out and officially announced the books to be canon to stop the arguing.Vandalvideo

Well, there haven't really been that many outsider authors (Eric Nylund and William Dietz) involved (yet) and Bungie rules over everything that has anything with the halo story to do with an iron hand. Joseph Staten, the guy that is writing the upcoming halo book, is actually the main guy behind the whole story universe (he's a bungie veteran). And Bungie pretty much made up all the stories in the comic book and just let the artists draw their own "visions" of them, the story was still bungie's. Oh and as a fun fact, Bungie tried to get Larry Niven on board for one of the books but he declined due to unfamiliarity with the story universe :(.

The only piece that really doesn't fit too well with everything else is the "I Love Bees" storyline which wasn't really supervised by bungie but it has little to none significance anyway.

Honestly Viviath, it's perfectly ok for this to be a discussion about halo, but when you make a point and i debunk it i must be a total fanboy and you get to tell me to "calm down... lol..."

So if i'm a total lunatic fanboy for countering your illogical points, i guess you must be a hater for making them, right? By your logic.

[QUOTE="x_boyfriend"]

If he answers, he'd better warn for spoilers. I'm not done with Halo 2 yet.

musicalmac

So far, from what I'm seeing in H2. It's worse.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"]If you require a link I can get it for you but do you take my word? This was actually discussed among Bungie fans a few years ago and Bungie came out and officially announced the books to be canon to stop the arguing.Viviath

How is the story disjointed? And how exactly are there tons of authors? You mean two? Heck, just one really. I mean Eric Nylund did the three books, the fourth was by William something and all that was was Halo 1 in book-form.

It isn't disjointed at all. :? And heck they are canon because they're all taken from what bungie calls "The Halo Story Bible". Literally a series of events in chronological order written by Joe Staten, the lead writer of the halo story itself.

ok now im curious....did halo save you mother or sumthing? You seem to be very "devoted" and unwilling to even entertain the idea that Halo could possibly have a flaw.

And we're back where we started....the vicious circle begins anew.....

You don't need to be amazingly devoted to Halo to know the story line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the most chanted fanboy mantras "HALO'S STORY IS CRAP AND NOT DEEP"? The story is fairly simple to follow, but it's certainly not crap, and it most certainly is deep.

[QUOTE="Viviath"]

ok now im curious....did halo save you mother or sumthing? You seem to be very "devoted" and unwilling to even entertain the idea that Halo could possibly have a flaw.

Ninja-Vox

We're talking about whether or not the books are canon; not whether they are flawed. And honestly, you're just upset because every point you've made has been debunked completely, so heck, let's just attempt to save some dignity and say the other guy is a fanboy.

Whatever. If you dont have an arguement, dont post.

im still waiting for you to answer my question..."Are you claiming that in all the gameplay time of Halo 1 and Halo 2 that Cortana never makes a Halo lore related comment outside of a cutscene?"

P.S. Might wanna respond to Vandalvideo seeing as he blew your "2 author theory" out of the water...

Well, there haven't really been that many outsider authors (Eric Nylund and William Dietz) involved (yet) and Bungie rules over everything that has anything with the halo story to do with an iron hand. Joseph Staten, the guy that is writing the upcoming halo book, is actually the main guy behind the whole story universe (he's a bungie veteran). And Bungie pretty much made up all the stories in the comic book and just let the artists draw their own "visions" of them, the story was still bungie's. Oh and as a fun fact, Bungie tried to get Larry Niven on board for one of the books but he declined due to unfamiliarity with the story universe :(.The only piece that really doesn't fit too well with everything else is the "I Love Bees" storyline which wasn't really supervised by bungie but it has little to none significance anyway.inoperativeRS

yea. you are claiming that in all the gameplay of Halo 1 and Halo 2 there isnt a single point in the game when Cortana makes a comment that pertains to the Halo story outside of a cutscene? and i say thats BS. If i had my Xbox here with me I would find you a place where she does make a comment that pertains to the Halo lore outside of a cutscene.

Viviath

Begging your pardon son, but i did not say she never makes a single comment which pertains to the story. Heck, every comment pertains to the story. You originally said bungie never explained anything with all your questions; two people then explained everything for you and pointed out that some of your questions are explained numerous times, blatantly obviously within the games.

You then accept that you played it two years ago and you dont know what's going on.... but still you dont want to say that you're wrong so you throw another point out there, that you couldn't hear cortana explaining the story with all the gunfire going on.

To which i said, that the storyline plays out in cutscenes, which it does. No major plot point in either of the games occurs outside of the cutscenes. And cortana does say things which pertain to the story, such as "i'm tracking Keye's transponder..." - but not while you're in combat. No story point is EVER explained why you are in the middle of a fight. Ever.

So your point, is nonsense. Simple.

[QUOTE="Viviath"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Honestly man, either you have major, major attention problems or you haven't played halo. I mean questions like "why dont they just send ten master chiefs!!!" or "why did the go to halo in the first place"? What? The game makes it so abundantly clear that he's the last one left so many times; and the opening scene of the first game explains exactly how they ended up at Halo, and heck, so does the opening scene of the second in case you missed the first one.Ninja-Vox

dude calm down seriously...Halo is not your mother ok...no need to get pissed off ok. Last i played Halo 2 was last year, so i prolly dont remember the story that well...i mean its kinda hard to hear Cortana important plot messages amid the the tumulous gunfire. reminds me of farcry....

I didn't get remotely angry. :| Honestly that "dude... like, calm down lol!" is the weakest arguement of all time and it comes up far too often. You asked a bunch of halo-related questions. I answered them all. Simple as that.

And do you think perhaps, that if you played the game two years ago and admit yourself that you dont remember what's going on at all; perhaps it's not best to say that bungie fail at telling the story? :?

And further proof that you dont know what you're talking about, the story plays out in cutscenes, not through cortana in-game.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]is the story disjointed? And how exactly are there tons of authors? You mean two? Heck, just one really. I mean Eric Nylund did the three books, the fourth was by William something and all that was was Halo 1 in book-form.It isn't disjointed at all. :? And heck they are canon because they're all taken from what bungie calls "The Halo Story Bible". Literally a series of events in chronological order written by Joe Staten, the lead writer of the halo story itself.>Vandalvideo

Joe Staten writes the actual halo story itself for the games.

And Eric Nylund wrote Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx, like i said. Three of the four novels. :)

As for the comics... i wasn't thinking of them in terms of the books. They dont really pertain much to the story anyway though and are rather just a series of events.

My point stands; i think the novels are indeed cannon as three of the four so far are written by the same guy, and the one which isn't is just a novelisation of the first game. Joe Staten is writing the fifth and he's the writer of the story itself so how can it not be canon?

:)

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"]Well, there haven't really been that many outsider authors (Eric Nylund and William Dietz) involved (yet) and Bungie rules over everything that has anything with the halo story to do with an iron hand. Joseph Staten, the guy that is writing the upcoming halo book, is actually the main guy behind the whole story universe (he's a bungie veteran). And Bungie pretty much made up all the stories in the comic book and just let the artists draw their own "visions" of them, the story was still bungie's. Oh and as a fun fact, Bungie tried to get Larry Niven on board for one of the books but he declined due to unfamiliarity with the story universe :(.The only piece that really doesn't fit too well with everything else is the "I Love Bees" storyline which wasn't really supervised by bungie but it has little to none significance anyway.Vandalvideo

The comic book comment includes the Marvel comics (basicly anything that has something to do with halo comics AFAIK). They're canon because Bungie decides what they're going to include and the writers/artists just make up the comics after that.

I'm well aware of that someone someday will make a mistake and write something in a book/comic/whatever that is considered canon that doesn't fit with the rest of the story. But at this moment there are really no gaps in the halo story universe that I'm aware of. It's at least much more coherent than your normal comic hero story universe.

Also; what is Uprising? I dont think i've heard of that before.Ninja-Vox

You forgot Brian Bendis and Marvel Comics. Anyway, I just have a hard time believing that this plethora of writers didn't take a great deal of unique creative freedoms with the book, and many events may have not been canon at all. I understand that some of the overarching themes could definitely be canon, but just how much are you willing to give them?Vandalvideo

This is where you fall down though. There is no "plethora" of writers. The novels are the key sources of Halo fiction outside of the games, and three of the four are written by one guy. No "plethora" of writers - please dont exaggerate to try and prove a point.

Eric Nylund works with Bungie and his original book - fall of reach - was again already a part of the halo story before he even began work on the book. Bungie clearly go to a lot of trouble to ensure the source material remains the same. "The flood" was simply a novelisation of the actual game, so that's obviously canon.

And the third writer, joe staten, is the lead writer of the halo story itself. So there's no arguement there. As for the comics, i dont consider that even relevant seeing as the stories were all written by bungie anyway. What difference does it make who's drawing the panels? And they offer no real story extension either; they're pretty much just a series of events taking place in the war.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Also; what is Uprising? I dont think i've heard of that before.Vandalvideo

I didn't know they were doing more. Is it a graphic novel or just a short-story comic sort of thing?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Also; what is Uprising? I dont think i've heard of that before.Ninja-Vox

I didn't know they were doing more. Is it a graphic novel or just a short-story comic sort of thing?

I remember crying back in the day when Optimus Prime died in TF the movie and when Godzilla fell into the volcano in Godzilla 1985.

Obviously, I wasnt made of sterner stuff in the mid 80's.

Four issue comic that takes place at the end up Halo 2 and explains the events that transpire until Halo 3.Vandalvideo

Aw man. I was hoping the game would just pick up immediately where the last one left off.

Halo 2 ending: "Master Chief, d'you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?"

"Sir.... finishing this fight..."

Halo 3 beginning: "...Right now"*loads gun*

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Four issue comic that takes place at the end up Halo 2 and explains the events that transpire until Halo 3.Ninja-Vox

Aw man. I was hoping the game would just pick up immediately where the last one left off.

Halo 2 ending: "Master Chief, d'you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?"

"Sir.... finishing this fight..."

Halo 3 beginning: "...Right now"*loads gun*

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

DazKurupt

for what, a deep voiced dual-gun-wielding man in green armor? face it, he's boring.

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

Koalakommander

for what, a deep voiced dual-gun-wielding man in green armor? face it, he's boring.

Depends on how you use him....

Wouldn't he be anyways?Ollivander

MC has hidden powaz, he can't die. Btw, great sig :D

[QUOTE="proof11102"]:|He's a vidoegame character, and not a very involved one either....get a grip.DazKurupt

Did you play ff7 and watch aeris die?

Dang man, nearly brought me to tears when that happened, and then I didn't sleep so I could kill sephiroth in my blind rage.

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

[QUOTE="proof11102"]:|He's a vidoegame character, and not a very involved one either....get a grip.FusionApex

Did you play ff7 and watch aeris die?

Dang man, nearly brought me to tears when that happened, and then I didn't sleep so I could kill sephiroth in my blind rage.

FFX's ending was 3x as sad IMO.

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

[QUOTE="proof11102"]:|He's a vidoegame character, and not a very involved one either....get a grip.FusionApex

Did you play ff7 and watch aeris die?

Dang man, nearly brought me to tears when that happened, and then I didn't sleep so I could kill sephiroth in my blind rage.

lol

Three games and suddenly your a video game legend?

[QUOTE="FusionApex"][QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

[QUOTE="proof11102"]:|He's a vidoegame character, and not a very involved one either....get a grip.Koalakommander

Did you play ff7 and watch aeris die?

Dang man, nearly brought me to tears when that happened, and then I didn't sleep so I could kill sephiroth in my blind rage.

FFX's ending was 3x as sad IMO.

That was sad :(

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

Koalakommander

for what, a deep voiced dual-gun-wielding man in green armor? face it, he's boring.

Solid Snake is a gruff voiced secret agent with next to no personality. We all hate him a bunch, don't we?

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

Koalakommander

for what, a deep voiced dual-gun-wielding man in green armor? face it, he's boring.

To someone who's never played the game he would appear so, yes. :)

FFX's ending was 3x as sad IMO.

Koalakommander

I was sad about Auron... Tidus i could care less about. :P

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

Ninja-Vox

for what, a deep voiced dual-gun-wielding man in green armor? face it, he's boring.

To someone who's never played the game he would appear so, yes. :)

K man I own both of them, he says like 4 lines in Halo:CE, and he's not much different in Halo 2. No personality.

Three games and suddenly your a video game legend?

OhhSnap50893

Samus?

Gordon Freeman?

Mario?

Conker?

Three games and suddenly your a video game legend?

OhhSnap50893

All it takes is 1 game. So a trilogy's enough.

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

He will be immortalized in gaming history. It reminds me of when superman died in comic not real life.

Its kinda sadto hear he may die , would make for a good story.Yet Iknow hes not real still ...Im not even a big halo fan ive only played with pals from time to time. Still:cry:

kingyotoX

oh boy crying over a video game characters possible death how humilitating.

I almost cried when Peppy rammed the Great Fox into the shield over the appariod home-world.

Mark my words, Master Chief won't die, it will end the game with him standing on an outcrop of rock, with the sun shining down onto a valley where a new human colony is starting up. Or he will die, and it will be the arbiter standing up there, and humans and elites will be living together.

master chief suck.mozartX

he's done way more epic things than Gordon Freeman, and if I'm not mistaken, Gordon Freeman hasn't even spoken once in his games.

[QUOTE="mozartX"]master chief suck.Juggernaut140

he's done way more epic things than Gordon Freeman, and if I'm not mistaken, Gordon Freeman hasn't even spoken once in his games.

Gordon looks dorky imo too. Half Life does rock though.