If Sony EYE can do everything that Kinect does, why doesnt it do it?

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]I own a pseye and let me tell you, it is very bad tech. It has very little accuracy which is why sony invented this glow stick tech so that the camera can lock onto something. I would certainly hope that kinect is better Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/3929/kinect-will-sell-4m-by-year-end-analyst

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/uk-retailers-report-high-pre-orders-for-kinect/

Kinect is always beating Move on amazon.com, has been up to # 4 most wanted list on amazon, whereas Move bearly breaks the top 100

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Kinect-Pre-Orders-Begin-Outselling-Move/6970

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/80983/pachter-xbox-360s-kinect-to-sell-2-4-million-by-march-2011/

the list goes on and on, and edit your post again lol

ProjectNatalFan

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"] of course it is, thats why they are more apt at innovation, they actually can make it work and do things.ProjectNatalFan

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/3929/kinect-will-sell-4m-by-year-end-analyst

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/uk-retailers-report-high-pre-orders-for-kinect/

Kinect is always beating Move on amazon.com, has been up to # 4 most wanted list on amazon, whereas Move bearly breaks the top 100

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Kinect-Pre-Orders-Begin-Outselling-Move/6970

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/80983/pachter-xbox-360s-kinect-to-sell-2-4-million-by-march-2011/

the list goes on and on, and edit your post again lol

ProjectNatalFan

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Pre-orders? One Analyst? Blog posts? VGCHARTS??? I was honestly expecting at least a scientific poll. While you're at it can I get numbers for Best buy, newegg, Microsoft and every other store selling kinect around the world?Zero_epyon

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

Everything that we go by has the 360 up, sorry man, you have no numbers to go by because you have nothing, at least I have stuff to go by in NPD and Vgchartz albeit it might not be accurate. Do you need to know the facts that the 360 is ahead of the PS3 and will continue to be? I guess in time you shall see and ill be sending you a PM. Lets pretend that Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 outsold the 360 as well, we have no real numbers to back it up buts lets do it.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Pre-orders? One Analyst? Blog posts? VGCHARTS??? I was honestly expecting at least a scientific poll. While you're at it can I get numbers for Best buy, newegg, Microsoft and every other store selling kinect around the world?Zero_epyon

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

let me ask you something simple, has the 360 outsold the PS3 since the 360 announced the Slim? Also who is in the lead right now, PS3 or 360? Please answer those questions.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Where's my Wii analogy and VgCharts analysis? Zero_epyon

do you have a link, or you are making it up.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

ProjectNatalFan

Everything that we go by has the 360 up, sorry man, you have no numbers to go by because you have nothing, at least I have stuff to go by in NPD and Vgchartz albeit it might not be accurate. Do you need to know the facts that the 360 is ahead of the PS3 and will continue to be? I guess in time you shall see and ill be sending you a PM. Lets pretend that Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 outsold the 360 as well, we have no real numbers to back it up buts lets do it.

Its called advertising. MS advertised the hell out of MW2 to at one point make it look like a 360 exclusive (the 360 logo at the end of each commercial with the "Get your limited edition Modern Warfare 2 Xbox 360 Elite Console now")

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"] wii is in front we are talking about the PS3 and 360, sorry.

ProjectNatalFan

do you have a link, or you are making it up.

• Bioshock 1 & 2
• Fallout 3 & New Vegas
• Medal of Honor
• TES IV
• AC2, AC: BH
• GTA IV
• etc

Wow, really?

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

well I will use a phrase that you have heard often from a group of fans of a console.... and that would be " LAZY DEVS"....

ProjectNatalFan

Do some devs skip making games on the wii because their lazy?

yes it happens, people didnt want to dev for the PS3 because of its architecture in the beginning, thats why the 360 has games like Dead Rising and such.

Dead Rising? A game that came out before the PS3 launched? Yeah, that's because of difficult architecture.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Hide behind WW sales like you're hiding behind NPD? How does one hide behind 100% truth? Where's you facts to counter my obviously skewed numbers? Are you now going to tell me you don't need facts?DroidPhysX

Everything that we go by has the 360 up, sorry man, you have no numbers to go by because you have nothing, at least I have stuff to go by in NPD and Vgchartz albeit it might not be accurate. Do you need to know the facts that the 360 is ahead of the PS3 and will continue to be? I guess in time you shall see and ill be sending you a PM. Lets pretend that Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 outsold the 360 as well, we have no real numbers to back it up buts lets do it.

Its called advertising. MS advertised the hell out of MW2 to at one point make it look like a 360 exclusive (the 360 logo at the end of each commercial with the "Get your limited edition Modern Warfare 2 Xbox 360 Elite Console now")

excuses dont pay the bills unfortunately.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

ProjectNatalFan

let me ask you something simple, has the 360 outsold the PS3 since the 360 announced the Slim? Also who is in the lead right now, PS3 or 360? Please answer those questions.

All your posts talks about praising Kinect and saying its going to sell more and u admitted that its going to suck for gaming but ur interested in the technology. Don't you ever get tired of doing the same thing EVERY thread :lol:

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

Everything that we go by has the 360 up, sorry man, you have no numbers to go by because you have nothing, at least I have stuff to go by in NPD and Vgchartz albeit it might not be accurate. Do you need to know the facts that the 360 is ahead of the PS3 and will continue to be? I guess in time you shall see and ill be sending you a PM. Lets pretend that Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 outsold the 360 as well, we have no real numbers to back it up buts lets do it.

ProjectNatalFan

Its called advertising. MS advertised the hell out of MW2 to at one point make it look like a 360 exclusive (the 360 logo at the end of each commercial with the "Get your limited edition Modern Warfare 2 Xbox 360 Elite Console now")

excuses dont pay the bills unfortunately.

Sure. We'll ignore the fact that MS has paid Activison millions for timed :lol: DLC....

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Its called advertising. MS advertised the hell out of MW2 to at one point make it look like a 360 exclusive (the 360 logo at the end of each commercial with the "Get your limited edition Modern Warfare 2 Xbox 360 Elite Console now")

DroidPhysX

excuses dont pay the bills unfortunately.

Sure. We'll ignore the fact that MS has paid Activison millions for timed :lol: DLC....

ok lets pretend that most multiplats sell better on the PS3 while we are at it. more excuses ? bioshock? Bioshock 2, Bad Company, Bad Company 2, Maddens of course, all ea sports, cod4, pretty much any multiplat that comes out sells more on the PS3 .

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

ProjectNatalFan

Everything that we go by has the 360 up, sorry man, you have no numbers to go by because you have nothing, at least I have stuff to go by in NPD and Vgchartz albeit it might not be accurate. Do you need to know the facts that the 360 is ahead of the PS3 and will continue to be? I guess in time you shall see and ill be sending you a PM. Lets pretend that Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 outsold the 360 as well, we have no real numbers to back it up buts lets do it.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Hide behind WW sales like you're hiding behind NPD? How does one hide behind 100% truth? Where's you facts to counter my obviously skewed numbers? Are you now going to tell me you don't need facts?Zero_epyon

Everything that we go by has the 360 up, sorry man, you have no numbers to go by because you have nothing, at least I have stuff to go by in NPD and Vgchartz albeit it might not be accurate. Do you need to know the facts that the 360 is ahead of the PS3 and will continue to be? I guess in time you shall see and ill be sending you a PM. Lets pretend that Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 outsold the 360 as well, we have no real numbers to back it up buts lets do it.

Since TC brought Amazon up, he can expect NPD to show PS3 beating 360 sales

inb4 "lolz black ops no.1!!!1!!"

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

well when the real numbers come out you can always hide behind WW as well I guess :wink: Good luck you still think that the PS3 is holding a lead over the 360 lol when it hasnt been in front all gen. shall we edit again :wink:

ProjectNatalFan

let me ask you something simple, has the 360 outsold the PS3 since the 360 announced the Slim? Also who is in the lead right now, PS3 or 360? Please answer those questions.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"] wii is in front we are talking about the PS3 and 360, sorry.

ProjectNatalFan

do you have a link, or you are making it up.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Ahh you didn't read my whole post. I'll write it again. Why do a lot of developers exclude the Wii when making their games? Zero_epyon

do you have a link, or you are making it up.

Any Bethseda game and most of EAs shooters...theres your proof

Is it confirmed that the Move's eye is the same thing as the PS3 Eye? I'm curious because they went clearance at a regional chain and I'm tempted to pick it up for cheap now.

Is it confirmed that the Move's eye is the same thing as the PS3 Eye? I'm curious because they went clearance at a regional chain and I'm tempted to pick it up for cheap now.

hellhund

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2012647961_game_videos_harry_potter_kinec.html?syndication=rss

[QUOTE="hellhund"]

Is it confirmed that the Move's eye is the same thing as the PS3 Eye? I'm curious because they went clearance at a regional chain and I'm tempted to pick it up for cheap now.

Zero_epyon

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2012647961_game_videos_harry_potter_kinec.html?syndication=rss

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="hellhund"]

Is it confirmed that the Move's eye is the same thing as the PS3 Eye? I'm curious because they went clearance at a regional chain and I'm tempted to pick it up for cheap now.

hellhund

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2012647961_game_videos_harry_potter_kinec.html?syndication=rss

TC left the building and started a new thread?

Zero_epyon

actually i hit my 20 post limit and was winning the debate so I left the building, anyway, you are underestimating Kinect and lack of knowledge about the tech is evident in things you have said. In time and the story will be told.

I've heard alot of people who talk about Kinect and they say that the Eye can do everything that Kinect can do. The ability to turn on and turn off your console with a gesture and through voice would always be an nice addition. Why isnt Sony even commenting or attempting to do what Kinect does, it would also limit Kinects appeal because from everyone I have talked to that knows about Kinect they all are intrigued by using it to watch movies and to be the controller. Is it that Sony doesnt have the software that could do it, or is it that the SONY EYE simply cant do it because of hardware shortcomings. Please be civil and stay on subject and please refrain from flaming. Thanks.

ProjectNatalFan

There was also a full GUI shown for the PS2 when it's eye was released that would let you navigate menus and what not but nothing ever came of it for the plain and simple reason that the eye flopped...just like kinect will.

Is it confirmed that the Move's eye is the same thing as the PS3 Eye? I'm curious because they went clearance at a regional chain and I'm tempted to pick it up for cheap now.

hellhund

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]I own a pseye and let me tell you, it is very bad tech. It has very little accuracy which is why sony invented this glow stick tech so that the camera can lock onto something. I would certainly hope that kinect is better ProjectNatalFan

I've heard alot of people who talk about Kinect and they say that the Eye can do everything that Kinect can do. The ability to turn on and turn off your console with a gesture and through voice would always be an nice addition. Why isnt Sony even commenting or attempting to do what Kinect does, it would also limit Kinects appeal because from everyone I have talked to that knows about Kinect they all are intrigued by using it to watch movies and to be the controller. Is it that Sony doesnt have the software that could do it, or is it that the SONY EYE simply cant do it because of hardware shortcomings. Please be civil and stay on subject and please refrain from flaming. Thanks.

ProjectNatalFan

Has Sony annonced that they can't? It's not like its 5 years after release, theres bound to be an update on release day.

Sony is rather bad at keeping things underwraps, but they never seem to let on what their updates consist of until about a week before release.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

TC left the building and started a new thread?

ProjectNatalFan

actually i hit my 20 post limit and was winning the debate so I left the building, anyway, you are underestimating Kinect and lack of knowledge about the tech is evident in things you have said. In time and the story will be told.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

I've heard alot of people who talk about Kinect and they say that the Eye can do everything that Kinect can do. The ability to turn on and turn off your console with a gesture and through voice would always be an nice addition. Why isnt Sony even commenting or attempting to do what Kinect does, it would also limit Kinects appeal because from everyone I have talked to that knows about Kinect they all are intrigued by using it to watch movies and to be the controller. Is it that Sony doesnt have the software that could do it, or is it that the SONY EYE simply cant do it because of hardware shortcomings. Please be civil and stay on subject and please refrain from flaming. Thanks.

verbtex

Has Sony annonced that they can't? It's not like its 5 years after release, theres bound to be an update on release day.

Sony is rather bad at keeping things underwraps, but they never seem to let on what their updates consist of until about a week before release.

its possible they cant play catch up with this, if Kinect is a hit and the reasons I have stated are a big reason, watch Sony try and mimic Kinect, problem is, we dont know if it really can.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

TC left the building and started a new thread?

Zero_epyon

actually i hit my 20 post limit and was winning the debate so I left the building, anyway, you are underestimating Kinect and lack of knowledge about the tech is evident in things you have said. In time and the story will be told.

I answered all of them, maybe you didnt get my answers, you also didnt answer my question in who do you think has sold more, the PS3 or the 360 since the slim has released.

its possible they cant play catch up with this, if Kinect is a hit and the reasons I have stated are a big reason, watch Sony try and mimic Kinect, problem is, we dont know if it really can.

ProjectNatalFan

Yeah it's entirely possible, but I'd imagine (not saying that I am a software developer or anything) that they can implement it. I mean they had to use the same camera and are going to have to release an update for it to support the wand aren't they. I doubt that the software to make Move work is already installed on PS3s or in the original PSEye cameras. If they have to add functionality to that, they can surely add some of the functionalities that you have mentioned.

If Kinect is a hit, oh well, things sell. I don't think anyone expected move to sell better anyways.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

actually i hit my 20 post limit and was winning the debate so I left the building, anyway, you are underestimating Kinect and lack of knowledge about the tech is evident in things you have said. In time and the story will be told.

ProjectNatalFan

I answered all of them, maybe you didnt get my answers, you also didnt answer my question in who do you think has sold more, the PS3 or the 360 since the slim has released.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

its possible they cant play catch up with this, if Kinect is a hit and the reasons I have stated are a big reason, watch Sony try and mimic Kinect, problem is, we dont know if it really can.

verbtex

Yeah it's entirely possible, but I'd imagine (not saying that I am a software developer or anything) that they can implement it. I mean they had to use the same camera and are going to have to release an update for it to support the wand aren't they. I doubt that the software to make Move work is already installed on PS3s or in the original PSEye cameras. If they have to add functionality to that, they can surely add some of the functionalities that you have mentioned.

If Kinect is a hit, oh well, things sell. I don't think anyone expected move to sell better anyways.

most likely not, just look at cross talk as a reference, they still cant get it to work, MS got it work in 2007.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You haven't answered any of my questions... How do you win a debate without answering a question?Zero_epyon

I answered all of them, maybe you didnt get my answers, you also didnt answer my question in who do you think has sold more, the PS3 or the 360 since the slim has released.

you get 3 questions? I see you dont play fair, I guess you think the 360 is outselling the PS3 judging by that last question. Vgchartz has it at 700,000, lets say its 400,000 cause they are stupid and never get it right, well that 3,6 million lead is now 4 million, and reach is gonna sell like insanity in the Number 1 market and will do great in Europe. Expect that number to grow, and then Kinect, so lets not start start saying that the PS3 will overtake the 360 and its a given, ill take my chances with the 360 and Kinect, I guess you will take your chances with the PS3. Cant go on and on with you cause I hit my 20 post limit, so I rest my case.

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

its possible they cant play catch up with this, if Kinect is a hit and the reasons I have stated are a big reason, watch Sony try and mimic Kinect, problem is, we dont know if it really can.

ProjectNatalFan

Yeah it's entirely possible, but I'd imagine (not saying that I am a software developer or anything) that they can implement it. I mean they had to use the same camera and are going to have to release an update for it to support the wand aren't they. I doubt that the software to make Move work is already installed on PS3s or in the original PSEye cameras. If they have to add functionality to that, they can surely add some of the functionalities that you have mentioned.

If Kinect is a hit, oh well, things sell. I don't think anyone expected move to sell better anyways.

most likely not, just look at cross talk as a reference, they still cant get it to work, MS got it work in 2007.

If I remember right, cross game chat is copyrighted, and Sony would get sued by Microsoft if they implemented it into the PS3, same with the custom soundtracks.

I don't think you understood what I said in my previous post, allow me to post a clarification.

The PSEyes and PS3's that exist now, probably are not Move Ready. Eventually (if they haven't already), Sony will have to release an update to allow the system to work with Move and the wands. If they have to add the software to make move work, why can't they add things like gestures to turn on/off the console. Nobody has played with Move besides what we have seen in game conferences and Sony tech demos. Most smart companies don't release every single detail (especially ones so minute as the one you mentioned in your original post) because it would just waste time and make people bored.

Correction: see link.

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[QUOTE="verbtex"]

Yeah it's entirely possible, but I'd imagine (not saying that I am a software developer or anything) that they can implement it. I mean they had to use the same camera and are going to have to release an update for it to support the wand aren't they. I doubt that the software to make Move work is already installed on PS3s or in the original PSEye cameras. If they have to add functionality to that, they can surely add some of the functionalities that you have mentioned.

If Kinect is a hit, oh well, things sell. I don't think anyone expected move to sell better anyways.

verbtex

most likely not, just look at cross talk as a reference, they still cant get it to work, MS got it work in 2007.

If I remember right, cross game chat is copyrighted, and Sony would get sued by Microsoft if they implemented it into the PS3, same with the custom soundtracks.

I don't think you understood what I said in my previous post, allow me to post a clarification.

The PSEyes and PS3's that exist now, probably are not Move Ready. Eventually (if they haven't already), Sony will have to release an update to allow the system to work with Move and the wands. If they have to add the software to make move work, why can't they add things like gestures to turn on/off the console. Nobody has played with Move besides what we have seen in game conferences and Sony tech demos. Most smart companies don't release every single detail (especially ones so minute as the one you mentioned in your original post) because it would just waste time and make people bored.

It doesnt make people bored, that remains to be seen, please dont speak for others because people might actually love it. Also I doubt Sony will be able to replicate what MS is doing because if they could they would, the tech and understand the software writing minds will be all at MS, and Sony will have to patch it as it goes and it would be totally gimped out and Kinect will progress. Its the same with Live, and they will continue to build on it. Kinect uses all kinds of ways to understand how to interact with its user, we both dont know the engineering part of it at that level to really say if Sony can or cant. The fact is Kinect does things that the Eye cant, it can move when you move and follows you, maybe you need that for gesturing, we dont know, it puts you in a 3d environment, I believe Sony cant do that or there is mass confusion about that as well when it comes to the eye, but from what I heard its 2d, maybe they use that tech to understand jestures. There are many things that the Kinect is doing that we dont know really if the Eye can do, Kinect is much more evolved as well as the eye has been on the market for a long time. Even so, if its all about software implementation to make these things work, dont you think that MS has the advantage with that?

I honestly would never use it for those reasons.

Knowing my children, they would purposely turn it off whilst ingame with their big ole' mouths !

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

I answered all of them, maybe you didnt get my answers, you also didnt answer my question in who do you think has sold more, the PS3 or the 360 since the slim has released.

ProjectNatalFan

you get 3 questions? I see you dont play fair, I guess you think the 360 is outselling the PS3 judging by that last question. Vgchartz has it at 700,000, lets say its 400,000 cause they are stupid and never get it right, well that 3,6 million lead is now 4 million, and reach is gonna sell like insanity in the Number 1 market and will do great in Europe. Expect that number to grow, and then Kinect, so lets not start start saying that the PS3 will overtake the 360 and its a given, ill take my chances with the 360 and Kinect, I guess you will take your chances with the PS3. Cant go on and on with you cause I hit my 20 post limit, so I rest my case.

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

most likely not, just look at cross talk as a reference, they still cant get it to work, MS got it work in 2007.

ProjectNatalFan

If I remember right, cross game chat is copyrighted, and Sony would get sued by Microsoft if they implemented it into the PS3, same with the custom soundtracks.

I don't think you understood what I said in my previous post, allow me to post a clarification.

The PSEyes and PS3's that exist now, probably are not Move Ready. Eventually (if they haven't already), Sony will have to release an update to allow the system to work with Move and the wands. If they have to add the software to make move work, why can't they add things like gestures to turn on/off the console. Nobody has played with Move besides what we have seen in game conferences and Sony tech demos. Most smart companies don't release every single detail (especially ones so minute as the one you mentioned in your original post) because it would just waste time and make people bored.

It doesnt make people bored, that remains to be seen, please dont speak for others because people might actually love it. Also I doubt Sony will be able to replicate what MS is doing because if they could they would, the tech and understand the software writing minds will be all at MS, and Sony will have to patch it as it goes and it would be totally gimped out and Kinect will progress. Its the same with Live, and they will continue to build on it. Kinect uses all kinds of ways to understand how to interact with its user, we both dont know the engineering part of it at that level to really say if Sony can or cant. The fact is Kinect does things that the Eye cant, it can move when you move and follows you, maybe you need that for gesturing, we dont know, it puts you in a 3d environment, I believe Sony cant do that or there is mass confusion about that as well when it comes to the eye, but from what I heard its 2d, maybe they use that tech to understand jestures. There are many things that the Kinect is doing that we dont know really if the Eye can do, Kinect is much more evolved as well as the eye has been on the market for a long time. Even so, if its all about software implementation to make these things work, dont you think that MS has the advantage with that?

It doesnt make people bored, that remains to be seen, please dont speak for others because people might actually love it. Also I doubt Sony will be able to replicate what MS is doing because if they could they would, the tech and understand the software writing minds will be all at MS, and Sony will have to patch it as it goes and it would be totally gimped out and Kinect will progress. Its the same with Live, and they will continue to build on it. Kinect uses all kinds of ways to understand how to interact with its user, we both dont know the engineering part of it at that level to really say if Sony can or cant. The fact is Kinect does things that the Eye cant, it can move when you move and follows you, maybe you need that for gesturing, we dont know, it puts you in a 3d environment, I believe Sony cant do that or there is mass confusion about that as well when it comes to the eye, but from what I heard its 2d, maybe they use that tech to understand jestures. There are many things that the Kinect is doing that we dont know really if the Eye can do, Kinect is much more evolved as well as the eye has been on the market for a long time. Even so, if its all about software implementation to make these things work, dont you think that MS has the advantage with that?

ProjectNatalFan

You just spoke for people, and then said that I shouldn't speak for people.

In general though, companies don't release every detail possible about their tech, it's just a stupid strategy. It gives an edge to the competition, and allows them to take inspirations from you and then improve on them. If you have been follow the world of the Android vs Apple devices recently, you would know that they didn't release every detail about their new operating systems because that would give the competitors time to think about what they can do to improve on it. If you never mention it, you never let a competitor catch up to you.

I guess this is agreed, but what makes you think that Sony has absolutely nothing up their hand. We know most of Microsoft's details, but I doubt we know EVERYTHING about Kinect.

And from what I understand about move, it can detect movements in all three axi just like the Kinect can. Kinect uses an infrared light, while Move uses other physical sensors and the glowing orb at the end.

Just because their technology is newer doesn't mean they necessarily have the advantage when it comes to software, they could be more limited in what happens with them. We don't know as of now, but we do know a majority of what is planned. The advantage has yet to be seen.

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It doesnt make people bored, that remains to be seen, please dont speak for others because people might actually love it. Also I doubt Sony will be able to replicate what MS is doing because if they could they would, the tech and understand the software writing minds will be all at MS, and Sony will have to patch it as it goes and it would be totally gimped out and Kinect will progress. Its the same with Live, and they will continue to build on it. Kinect uses all kinds of ways to understand how to interact with its user, we both dont know the engineering part of it at that level to really say if Sony can or cant. The fact is Kinect does things that the Eye cant, it can move when you move and follows you, maybe you need that for gesturing, we dont know, it puts you in a 3d environment, I believe Sony cant do that or there is mass confusion about that as well when it comes to the eye, but from what I heard its 2d, maybe they use that tech to understand jestures. There are many things that the Kinect is doing that we dont know really if the Eye can do, Kinect is much more evolved as well as the eye has been on the market for a long time. Even so, if its all about software implementation to make these things work, dont you think that MS has the advantage with that?

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You just spoke for people, and then said that I shouldn't speak for people.

In general though, companies don't release every detail possible about their tech, it's just a stupid strategy. It gives an edge to the competition, and allows them to take inspirations from you and then improve on them. If you have been follow the world of the Android vs Apple devices recently, you would know that they didn't release every detail about their new operating systems because that would give the competitors time to think about what they can do to improve on it. If you never mention it, you never let a competitor catch up to you.

I guess this is agreed, but what makes you think that Sony has absolutely nothing up their hand. We know most of Microsoft's details, but I doubt we know EVERYTHING about Kinect.

And from what I understand about move, it can detect movements in all three axi just like the Kinect can. Kinect uses an infrared light, while Move uses other physical sensors and the glowing orb at the end.

Just because their technology is newer doesn't mean they necessarily have the advantage when it comes to software, they could be more limited in what happens with them. We don't know as of now, but we do know a majority of what is planned. The advantage has yet to be seen.

no I said People might actually LOVe meaning you were the one who spoke for others first, and I replied just the opposite could be true and wasnt speaking for anyone,also I stopped reading after that.

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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] I'll answer your question when you answer mine. I'll post them a third time: Why do some developers exclude the Wii from their multiplatform games? Do you agree with the vgcahrts assesment? Did the PS3 slim outsell the xbox when it came out?Zero_epyon

you get 3 questions? I see you dont play fair, I guess you think the 360 is outselling the PS3 judging by that last question. Vgchartz has it at 700,000, lets say its 400,000 cause they are stupid and never get it right, well that 3,6 million lead is now 4 million, and reach is gonna sell like insanity in the Number 1 market and will do great in Europe. Expect that number to grow, and then Kinect, so lets not start start saying that the PS3 will overtake the 360 and its a given, ill take my chances with the 360 and Kinect, I guess you will take your chances with the PS3. Cant go on and on with you cause I hit my 20 post limit, so I rest my case.

yet you ignore that the lead is probably about at 4.4 since those numbers were released, case close I rest my case. PM if you wanna talk about it still.

no I said People might actually LOVe meaning you were the one who spoke for others first, and I replied just the opposite could be true and wasnt speaking for anyone,also I stopped reading after that.

ProjectNatalFan

How convinient.

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you get 3 questions? I see you dont play fair, I guess you think the 360 is outselling the PS3 judging by that last question. Vgchartz has it at 700,000, lets say its 400,000 cause they are stupid and never get it right, well that 3,6 million lead is now 4 million, and reach is gonna sell like insanity in the Number 1 market and will do great in Europe. Expect that number to grow, and then Kinect, so lets not start start saying that the PS3 will overtake the 360 and its a given, ill take my chances with the 360 and Kinect, I guess you will take your chances with the PS3. Cant go on and on with you cause I hit my 20 post limit, so I rest my case.

ProjectNatalFan

yet you ignore that the lead is probably about at 4.4 since those numbers were released, case close I rest my case. PM if you wanna talk about it still.

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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Take chances? What are you talking about? I own both consoles. I will be buying reach. I don't pick sides my friend so no need to bet on them. I asked you several questions in this thread and the only thing you've managed to tell me is reach is coming, xbox sold 700K and that Kinect is somehow the second coming for the xbox. You don't have to make 20 post to respond to me. Use that one post and answer my questions. All I'm getting from you now is excuses. Instead of wasting this post telling me the same thing you say in every thread you could have answered one of the other two. But you can't can you? I did accomplish one thing though. You are now backpedaling and questioning VGcharts :lol: Oh BTW, look at my post again. VGcharts has the xbox 7 million ahead not 4. And your 4 million is assuming that no ps3 were sold that month in NA. 3.6 + 0.4 is 4.0. Do you really believe that? See what I'm doing here. Paragraphs, not posts. Try to give me an answer. It's ok if you don't have one. I admit when I'm wrong too. I've already told you several times that it is common knowledge that the PS3 is behind the 360. I keep telling you the gap was last seen at 3.6 Million. Why would you think otherwise? I is also common knowledge that the PS3 is closing the gap. Last year they were at 5 Million now they're at 3.6. You can't ignore this. Now where's my Wii and PS3 slim answers? Should I expect a reply? Seems your avoiding these and are now getting frustrated with me asking them over and over.Zero_epyon

yet you ignore that the lead is probably about at 4.4 since those numbers were released, case close I rest my case. PM if you wanna talk about it still.

ok you bring up vgcharts, get a calculator and add up the numbers for this week in hardware sales and i think the 360 won by like 40,000 units, and go back to where the 360 started out outselling the PS3 WW and count up all those calculatons for the weeks the 360 has been beating the PS3 worldwide, and it comes out to 700,000 something, so 3.6 is now 4.3, Just saying. and i stop reading your posts cause it looked horrible with all thoes colors, didnt like it, not pleasing to the eye and the first thing in red was completely off so i stopped, otherwise i read your posts.

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yet you ignore that the lead is probably about at 4.4 since those numbers were released, case close I rest my case. PM if you wanna talk about it still.

ProjectNatalFan

ok you bring up vgcharts, get a calculator and add up the numbers for this week in hardware sales and i think the 360 won by like 40,000 units, and go back to where the 360 started out outselling the PS3 WW and count up all those calculatons for the weeks the 360 has been beating the PS3 worldwide, and it comes out to 700,000 something, so 3.6 is now 4.3, Just saying. and i stop reading your posts cause it looked horrible with all thoes colors, didnt like it, not pleasing to the eye and the first thing in red was completely off so i stopped, otherwise i read your posts.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

yet you ignore that the lead is probably about at 4.4 since those numbers were released, case close I rest my case. PM if you wanna talk about it still.

ProjectNatalFan

ok you bring up vgcharts, get a calculator and add up the numbers for this week in hardware sales and i think the 360 won by like 40,000 units, and go back to where the 360 started out outselling the PS3 WW and count up all those calculatons for the weeks the 360 has been beating the PS3 worldwide, and it comes out to 700,000 something, so 3.6 is now 4.3, Just saying. and i stop reading your posts cause it looked horrible with all thoes colors, didnt like it, not pleasing to the eye and the first thing in red was completely off so i stopped, otherwise i read your posts.