If we count the PC in system wars, how did the PS2 win last gen?

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Current Gen AAA and AA Games by Platform

drewtwo99

This looks legit to me. Kudos to whoever made this.

Wow. Whoever made it must've been a nerd...man.

Hahaha, I can be really oblivious sometimes can't I?

You should've seen what he did before. He listed every single PC AA, AAA game that ever came out. Crazy list.

[QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Current Gen AAA and AA Games by Platform

manningbowl135

This looks legit to me. Kudos to whoever made this.

Wow. Whoever made it must've been a nerd...man.

Hahaha, I can be really oblivious sometimes can't I?

You should've seen what he did before. He listed every single PC AA, AAA game that ever came out. Crazy list.

Cool! Hahaha, it's pretty easy to just search gamespot, but to have a spreadsheet with release dates is cool too.

[QUOTE="Kronos6"]the fact of the matter is that the video card is interchangable....the OS system ISNT...and thats what you keep ignoring...you can keep pouting and crying...but your still wrong...what you said is the equivalent to ...lemme see you play your 360 without a tv....lol...horrible comebackVandalvideo

please, please, please don't do this again. :cry:

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kronos6"]the fact of the matter is that the video card is interchangable....the OS system ISNT...and thats what you keep ignoring...you can keep pouting and crying...but your still wrong...what you said is the equivalent to ...lemme see you play your 360 without a tv....lol...horrible comebackCaseyWegner

please, please, please don't do this again. :cry:

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kronos6"]the fact of the matter is that the video card is interchangable....the OS system ISNT...and thats what you keep ignoring...you can keep pouting and crying...but your still wrong...what you said is the equivalent to ...lemme see you play your 360 without a tv....lol...horrible comebackCaseyWegner

please, please, please don't do this again. :cry:

nice job deleting my reply......id say that was the least bit democratic and bit more personal then modding to board rules

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kronos6"]the fact of the matter is that the video card is interchangable....the OS system ISNT...and thats what you keep ignoring...you can keep pouting and crying...but your still wrong...what you said is the equivalent to ...lemme see you play your 360 without a tv....lol...horrible comebackKronos6

please, please, please don't do this again. :cry:

nice job deleting my reply......id say that was the least bit democratic and bit more personal then modding to board rules

your post was the furthest one down. it's off topic for this thread anyway.

the fact of the matter is that the video card is interchangable....the OS system ISNT...

Kronos6

you can't run DOS games on XP (or Vista), I believe.

HeH some arguments here :roll:

So a PC thats not state of the art but is still used to play games isnt a gaming PC :question:

[QUOTE="Kronos6"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kronos6"]the fact of the matter is that the video card is interchangable....the OS system ISNT...and thats what you keep ignoring...you can keep pouting and crying...but your still wrong...what you said is the equivalent to ...lemme see you play your 360 without a tv....lol...horrible comebackCaseyWegner

please, please, please don't do this again. :cry:

nice job deleting my reply......id say that was the least bit democratic and bit more personal then modding to board rules

your post was the furthest one down. it's off topic for this thread anyway.

so are the last 3 pages

Exactly! PC is in a differnt class. But here at System wars it's in the same class as a console. But yet no one truly believes it. If they did you'd be hearing all the time about PC winning last gen. Yet everyoen accepts the fact the PS2 won last gen by a huge margin.

And this gen no one talks about who hs the most sales, 360, PS3, wii and PC? it's silly to do so. But we are here at system wars and have to live this this illogical anomaly. It's not the end of the world though. When in threads discussing conosle stuff (like PS3 vs. 360) just ignore the hermit that will randomly just say PC has the better version. But of course they couldn't say that when the 360 launched as the 360 had teh best bang especially when you add in the cost. During those days they said give the PC 1 to 2 years. so I guess the xbox fans could say the same, just wait 3 or 4 more years til the next xbox come out.

It's stupid to compare a console that gets refreshed after 5-8 years vs. a PC that has possible upgrades every 6 to 12 months available. And then you have to deal wiith the ones that want to say PC has teh best looking games (well not yet, but coming with crysis) yet it's also the cheapest platform but then fail to mention you can't play crysis on a $300 PC.

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

[QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Current Gen AAA and AA Games by Platform

manningbowl135

This looks legit to me. Kudos to whoever made this.

Wow. Whoever made it must've been a nerd...man.

Hahaha, I can be really oblivious sometimes can't I?

You should've seen what he did before. He listed every single PC AA, AAA game that ever came out. Crazy list.

:) Meh, it's pretty easy. Copy to excel, sort by score, COUNTIF >=9.0, etc. It's nice to see people actually use it though.

And then you have to deal wiith the ones that want to say PC has teh best looking games (well not yet, but coming with crysis) yet it's also the cheapest platform but then fail to mention you can't play crysis on a $300 PCmikasa

But PC's run Windows, and Windows makes me cry... But seriously, that's why I'll never get into PC gaming.SolidSnake35

Apple must have sucked you in real good if you think Windows is that bad.

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

mikasa

thank you....seriously...thank you...

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

Kronos6

thank you....seriously...thank you...

I guess by their logic PS3 can claim all PS2 AAAE games and 360 can claim all AAAE xbox games since they can play them all and it's just upgraded hardware. Swap out a motherboard, improve the OS, add a new CPU, GPU, power supply, buy a new cable get a new controller. but hey it's basically the same stuff since it plays the old games.

I guess by their logic PS3 can claim all PS2 AAAE games and 360 can claim all AAAE xbox games since they can play them all and it's just upgraded hardware. Swap out a motherboard, improve the OS, add a new CPU, GPU, power supply, buy a new cable get a new controller. but hey it's basically the same stuff since it plays the old games. mikasa

[QUOTE="mikasa"]I guess by their logic PS3 can claim all PS2 AAAE games and 360 can claim all AAAE xbox games since they can play them all and it's just upgraded hardware. Swap out a motherboard, improve the OS, add a new CPU, GPU, power supply, buy a new cable get a new controller. but hey it's basically the same stuff since it plays the old games. Vandalvideo

Never said it wouldn't. Just wondering why we don't count them.

[QUOTE="Kronos6"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

mikasa

thank you....seriously...thank you...

I guess by their logic PS3 can claim all PS2 AAAE games and 360 can claim all AAAE xbox games since they can play them all and it's just upgraded hardware. Swap out a motherboard, improve the OS, add a new CPU, GPU, power supply, buy a new cable get a new controller. but hey it's basically the same stuff since it plays the old games.

and your point is?

you seriously lost me

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

Kronos6

thank you....seriously...thank you...

I still don't see why there isn't a clear distinguishment between mac users and PC users in terms of SW gamers. Of course, this can be spread even further if we go into specific OSes and whatnot - and I see no reason why it isn't. Until this distinguishment is made clear it seems useless to say "hermits won the last gen".

Hermits as in PC gamers? Or just people using computers in general? If you mean the latter, then that's one hell of a huge generalisation.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]I guess by their logic PS3 can claim all PS2 AAAE games and 360 can claim all AAAE xbox games since they can play them all and it's just upgraded hardware. Swap out a motherboard, improve the OS, add a new CPU, GPU, power supply, buy a new cable get a new controller. but hey it's basically the same stuff since it plays the old games. mikasa

Never said it wouldn't. Just wondering why we don't count them.

I don't understand that. According to stickies and everyone on system wars, it's a rule that PC counts as part of system wars. But when we crowned a winner last gen, PS2 was the winner? How so? PC sold the most, had the best online system, best control scheme (gamepad & KB/M) and of course best and most games. So if PC is indeed a part of system wars, didn't it win every single gen in every possible way since gaming was invented?manningbowl135

PC's & MAC should be the only platforms in System Wars. XBox 360, Wii & PS3, PS2, Gamecube, etc.. should all be in Console Wars forums. None of these consoles are systems. Here's why.,

System = Can be modified and upgrade with new technology at any time. Has multiple uses besides playing games.

Game Console = Can not be upgraded or modified by the user to be better. Is used for one purchase only, which is to play games.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Kronos6"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

Kronos6

thank you....seriously...thank you...

I guess by their logic PS3 can claim all PS2 AAAE games and 360 can claim all AAAE xbox games since they can play them all and it's just upgraded hardware. Swap out a motherboard, improve the OS, add a new CPU, GPU, power supply, buy a new cable get a new controller. but hey it's basically the same stuff since it plays the old games.

and your point is?

My point is it's stupid to compare consoles to PC. No one considers teh old console games that still run on the new consoles as anything special. Buy the PC guys act like alltheir old AAA games count for them. It's different standards and it makes it impossible to truly compare.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]I don't understand that. According to stickies and everyone on system wars, it's a rule that PC counts as part of system wars. But when we crowned a winner last gen, PS2 was the winner? How so? PC sold the most, had the best online system, best control scheme (gamepad & KB/M) and of course best and most games. So if PC is indeed a part of system wars, didn't it win every single gen in every possible way since gaming was invented?blackace

PC's & MAC should be the only platforms in System Wars. XBox 360, Wii & PS3, PS2, Gamecube, etc.. should all be in Console Wars forums. None of these consoles are systems. Here's why.,

System = Can be modified and upgrade with new technology at any time. Has multiple uses besides playing games.

Game Console = Can not be upgraded or modified by the user to be better. Is used for one purchase only, which is to play games.

But by some weird logic we get PC (which includes all OSs) to be one system and each game console to count as a single system.

My point is it's stupid to compare consoles to PC. No one considers teh old console games that still run on the new consoles as anything special. Buy the PC guys act like alltheir old AAA games count for them. It's different standards and it makes it impossible to truly compare.mikasa

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]I don't understand that. According to stickies and everyone on system wars, it's a rule that PC counts as part of system wars. But when we crowned a winner last gen, PS2 was the winner? How so? PC sold the most, had the best online system, best control scheme (gamepad & KB/M) and of course best and most games. So if PC is indeed a part of system wars, didn't it win every single gen in every possible way since gaming was invented?blackace

PC's & MAC should be the only platforms in System Wars. XBox 360, Wii & PS3, PS2, Gamecube, etc.. should all be in Console Wars forums. None of these consoles are systems. Here's why.,

System = Can be modified and upgrade with new technology at any time. Has multiple uses besides playing games.

Game Console = Can not be upgraded or modified by the user to be better. Is used for one purchase only, which is to play games.

Really? A consol can't be modified? Oh man, who woulda thunk it?

So much for those add ons eh?...not to mention other modifications out there

[QUOTE="Kronos6"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

_Impmacaque_

thank you....seriously...thank you...

I still don't see why there isn't a clear distinguishment between mac users and PC users in terms of SW gamers. Of course, this can be spread even further if we go into specific OSes and whatnot - and I see no reason why it isn't. Until this distinguishment is made clear it seems useless to say "hermits won the last gen".

Hermits as in PC gamers? Or just people using computers in general? If you mean the latter, then that's one hell of a huge generalisation.

Can I run Shadowrun on a MAC? If not, it's a different system. Just because the basic parts are there the OS is completely different making it a different system.

[QUOTE="Kronos6"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Kronos6"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Or another inconsistancy, why is it the PC includes all versions of the PC? SHouldn't the PC be broken up into MAC, Windows, and Linux? Games run on an OS not a PC. So really if you're going to include PC we should speak about which platform of PC. But that gets into a gray area. Is it the hardware that makes the games or is it the OS? Really it's both, but that lends itself to needing to add the OS flavor your system runs on.

mikasa

thank you....seriously...thank you...

I guess by their logic PS3 can claim all PS2 AAAE games and 360 can claim all AAAE xbox games since they can play them all and it's just upgraded hardware. Swap out a motherboard, improve the OS, add a new CPU, GPU, power supply, buy a new cable get a new controller. but hey it's basically the same stuff since it plays the old games.

and your point is?

My point is it's stupid to compare consoles to PC. No one considers teh old console games that still run on the new consoles as anything special. Buy the PC guys act like alltheir old AAA games count for them. It's different standards and it makes it impossible to truly compare.

ok that makes sense..

its just a fact that hermits dont want to admit they are at the moment under microsoft......theres a big stigma with the hardcore pc community and microsoft....so they especially try hard to distance themselves like microsoft doesnt effect them on a gaming level...and it really does.......until linux is the standard os for gaming....they are microsoft bound...thats why they wont accept a break down on breaking down pc by os system.....

you can literally breakdown the generations of pc if you go buy os systems......especially when you start breaking down windows 98, windows xp and windows vista....very easy to see the gen difference

My point is it's stupid to compare consoles to PC. No one considers teh old console games that still run on the new consoles as anything special. Buy the PC guys act like alltheir old AAA games count for them. It's different standards and it makes it impossible to truly compare.

mikasa

i've never seen a pc guy try to use the entire pc library as proof of ownage.

[QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]

can you give me a link to that chart too so i can see ?

Kronos6

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2007-04/jpr_aibs_trends_q4_2006.png

what bothers me about that chart is what exactly is a performance gpu....do they consider the ati x1400 in my core duo laptop to be a performance card?

I think somebody was saying (and I agree with this) that the cut-off should be like GPUs that cost $150 and up.....that's pretty safe to assume that

ok that makes sense..

its just a fact that hermits dont want to admit they are at the moment under microsoft......theres a big stigma with the hardcore pc community and microsoft....so they especially try hard to distance themselves like microsoft doesnt effect them on a gaming level...and it really does.......until linux is the standard os for gaming....they are microsoft bound...thats why they wont accept a break down on breaking down pc by os system.....

you can literally breakdown the generations of pc if you go buy os systems......especially when you start breaking down windows 98, windows xp and windows vista....very easy to see the gen difference

Kronos6

Yep, dead on. Many refuse to admit they are gaming on a MS led/controlled system. Not sure why though, but they do.

[QUOTE="Kronos6"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]

can you give me a link to that chart too so i can see ?

MikeE21286

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2007-04/jpr_aibs_trends_q4_2006.png

what bothers me about that chart is what exactly is a performance gpu....do they consider the ati x1400 in my core duo laptop to be a performance card?

I think somebody was saying (and I agree with this) that the cut-off should be like GPUs that cost $150 and up.....that's pretty safe to assume that

The average price for what they considered performance was 250.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]I don't understand that. According to stickies and everyone on system wars, it's a rule that PC counts as part of system wars. But when we crowned a winner last gen, PS2 was the winner? How so? PC sold the most, had the best online system, best control scheme (gamepad & KB/M) and of course best and most games. So if PC is indeed a part of system wars, didn't it win every single gen in every possible way since gaming was invented?verbalfilth

PC's & MAC should be the only platforms in System Wars. XBox 360, Wii & PS3, PS2, Gamecube, etc.. should all be in Console Wars forums. None of these consoles are systems. Here's why.,

System = Can be modified and upgrade with new technology at any time. Has multiple uses besides playing games.

Game Console = Can not be upgraded or modified by the user to be better. Is used for one purchase only, which is to play games.

Really? A consol can't be modified? Oh man, who woulda thunk it?

So much for those add ons eh?...not to mention other modifications out there

anything can be modified out of the scope of its intended use...it doesnt mean your following the user agreement

[QUOTE="Kronos6"]ok that makes sense..

its just a fact that hermits dont want to admit they are at the moment under microsoft......theres a big stigma with the hardcore pc community and microsoft....so they especially try hard to distance themselves like microsoft doesnt effect them on a gaming level...and it really does.......until linux is the standard os for gaming....they are microsoft bound...thats why they wont accept a break down on breaking down pc by os system.....

you can literally breakdown the generations of pc if you go buy os systems......especially when you start breaking down windows 98, windows xp and windows vista....very easy to see the gen difference

mikasa

Yep, dead on. Many refuse to admit they are gaming on a MS led/controlled system. Not sure why though, but they do.

Since the release of the 360.

So how is this comparing the entire historic PC library?

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

My point is it's stupid to compare consoles to PC. No one considers teh old console games that still run on the new consoles as anything special. Buy the PC guys act like alltheir old AAA games count for them. It's different standards and it makes it impossible to truly compare.

CaseyWegner

i've never seen a pc guy try to use the entire pc library as proof of ownage.

I've seen them say if you count all the AAA in the PC library it dwarfs all the 360 AA and AAA games. or some stuff to that nature. And most just think well, DUH and ignore it. but the idea is there and understood. So why isn't the same true with consoles?

Also why do we include MAC, Windows, and Linux all in the same system? When you buy a windows game it clearly won't run on MAC's APIs or Linux APIs. You can run some emulation software sometimes but to truly game with the latest and greatest windows game you need windows. Or to game ona MAC only or Linux only game you need the respective OS.

So we really should consider breaking them out into PC: windows, PC: linux, PC: MAC.

But I know why that will probably never happen. Because that would give M$ 2 systems on system wars.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Kronos6"]ok that makes sense..

its just a fact that hermits dont want to admit they are at the moment under microsoft......theres a big stigma with the hardcore pc community and microsoft....so they especially try hard to distance themselves like microsoft doesnt effect them on a gaming level...and it really does.......until linux is the standard os for gaming....they are microsoft bound...thats why they wont accept a break down on breaking down pc by os system.....

you can literally breakdown the generations of pc if you go buy os systems......especially when you start breaking down windows 98, windows xp and windows vista....very easy to see the gen difference

NerdMan

Yep, dead on. Many refuse to admit they are gaming on a MS led/controlled system. Not sure why though, but they do.

Since the release of the 360.

So how is this comparing the entire historic PC library?

I never said that link was. in fact, I didn't even look at it. So I'm not sure if it does or doesn't. What does that have to do with hat I said?

[QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Kronos6"]ok that makes sense..

its just a fact that hermits dont want to admit they are at the moment under microsoft......theres a big stigma with the hardcore pc community and microsoft....so they especially try hard to distance themselves like microsoft doesnt effect them on a gaming level...and it really does.......until linux is the standard os for gaming....they are microsoft bound...thats why they wont accept a break down on breaking down pc by os system.....

you can literally breakdown the generations of pc if you go buy os systems......especially when you start breaking down windows 98, windows xp and windows vista....very easy to see the gen difference

mikasa

Yep, dead on. Many refuse to admit they are gaming on a MS led/controlled system. Not sure why though, but they do.

Since the release of the 360.

So how is this comparing the entire historic PC library?

I never said that link was. in fact, I didn't even look at it. So I'm not sure if it does or doesn't. What does that have to do with hat I said?

You're not even going to take the effort to look at threads responding to yours? Nice one sided conversation you got going, no wonder you think you're right.

I've seen them say if you count all the AAA in the PC library it dwarfs all the 360 AA and AAA games. or some stuff to that nature. And most just think well, DUH and ignore it. but the idea is there and understood. So why isn't the same true with consoles?

Also why do we include MAC, Windows, and Linux all in the same system? When you buy a windows game it clearly won't run on MAC's APIs or Linux APIs. You can run some emulation software sometimes but to truly game with the latest and greatest windows game you need windows. Or to game ona MAC only or Linux only game you need the respective OS.

So we really should consider breaking them out into PC: windows, PC: linux, PC: MAC.

But I know why that will probably never happen. Because that would give M$ 2 systems on system wars.

mikasa

yeah then we should break them into pc :Ati, pc: nvidia, pc:intel etc

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Kronos6"]ok that makes sense..

its just a fact that hermits dont want to admit they are at the moment under microsoft......theres a big stigma with the hardcore pc community and microsoft....so they especially try hard to distance themselves like microsoft doesnt effect them on a gaming level...and it really does.......until linux is the standard os for gaming....they are microsoft bound...thats why they wont accept a break down on breaking down pc by os system.....

you can literally breakdown the generations of pc if you go buy os systems......especially when you start breaking down windows 98, windows xp and windows vista....very easy to see the gen difference

NerdMan

Yep, dead on. Many refuse to admit they are gaming on a MS led/controlled system. Not sure why though, but they do.

Since the release of the 360.

So how is this comparing the entire historic PC library?

I never said that link was. in fact, I didn't even look at it. So I'm not sure if it does or doesn't. What does that have to do with hat I said?

You're not even going to take the effort to look at threads responding to yours? Nice one sided conversation you got going, no wonder you think you're right.

No I don't see how it's relevant. based on the title I can see what you're trying to say. How does that mean there are no hermits that look at the entire library available?

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

I've seen them say if you count all the AAA in the PC library it dwarfs all the 360 AA and AAA games. or some stuff to that nature. And most just think well, DUH and ignore it. but the idea is there and understood. So why isn't the same true with consoles?

Also why do we include MAC, Windows, and Linux all in the same system? When you buy a windows game it clearly won't run on MAC's APIs or Linux APIs. You can run some emulation software sometimes but to truly game with the latest and greatest windows game you need windows. Or to game ona MAC only or Linux only game you need the respective OS.

So we really should consider breaking them out into PC: windows, PC: linux, PC: MAC.

But I know why that will probably never happen. Because that would give M$ 2 systems on system wars.

naval

yeah then we should break them into pc :Ati, pc: nvidia, pc:intel etc

since when did you require an ati card or an nvidia card to play most pc games? you have a choice...

the fact is you require windows to play most pc games....you dont require any specific video card.....just a range in performance....your reaching...

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

I've seen them say if you count all the AAA in the PC library it dwarfs all the 360 AA and AAA games. or some stuff to that nature. And most just think well, DUH and ignore it. but the idea is there and understood. So why isn't the same true with consoles?

Also why do we include MAC, Windows, and Linux all in the same system? When you buy a windows game it clearly won't run on MAC's APIs or Linux APIs. You can run some emulation software sometimes but to truly game with the latest and greatest windows game you need windows. Or to game ona MAC only or Linux only game you need the respective OS.

So we really should consider breaking them out into PC: windows, PC: linux, PC: MAC.

But I know why that will probably never happen. Because that would give M$ 2 systems on system wars.

naval

yeah then we should break them into pc :Ati, pc: nvidia, pc:intel etc

Why? games run on machines if they are AMD or INTEL. Or NVIDIA OR ATI. But they won't run on different OS's unless specifically compiled for them. What you said is like saying we should break out the PS2 into PS2 classic and PS2 slim. They both run the same games.

No I don't see how it's relevant. based on the title I can see what you're trying to say. How does that mean there are no hermits that look at the entire library available?

mikasa

I've never seen someone try and compare the entire historical PC library against any of the consoles. If you go to that link, you will see every AAA and AA game released for each platform, including the PC, SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE 360.

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

I've seen them say if you count all the AAA in the PC library it dwarfs all the 360 AA and AAA games. or some stuff to that nature. And most just think well, DUH and ignore it. but the idea is there and understood. So why isn't the same true with consoles?

Also why do we include MAC, Windows, and Linux all in the same system? When you buy a windows game it clearly won't run on MAC's APIs or Linux APIs. You can run some emulation software sometimes but to truly game with the latest and greatest windows game you need windows. Or to game ona MAC only or Linux only game you need the respective OS.

So we really should consider breaking them out into PC: windows, PC: linux, PC: MAC.

But I know why that will probably never happen. Because that would give M$ 2 systems on system wars.

Kronos6

yeah then we should break them into pc :Ati, pc: nvidia, pc:intel etc

since when did you require an ati card or an nvidia card to play most pc games? you have a choice...

the fact is you require windows to play most pc games....you dont require any specific video card.....just a range in performance....your reaching...

Yep, he probably doesn't know how much he helped our arugment and hurt his with that comment. or maybe he does...possibly he setup that easy to kill strawman helping us prove our point.

[QUOTE="naval"]

yeah then we should break them into pc :Ati, pc: nvidia, pc:intel etc

mikasa

Why? games run on machines if they are AMD or INTEL. Or NVIDIA OR ATI. But they won't run on different OS's unless specifically compiled for them. What you said is like saying we should break out the PS2 into PS2 classic and PS2 slim. They both run the same games.

well you wanted to divide pcs based on what is required for gaming, not me

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

No I don't see how it's relevant. based on the title I can see what you're trying to say. How does that mean there are no hermits that look at the entire library available?

NerdMan

I've never seen someone try and compare the entire historical PC library against any of the consoles. If you go to that link, you will see every AAA and AA game released for each platform, including the PC, SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE 360.

OK, you proved my point now that I looked at it. You mean there were NO PS2 games that were AAA since the release of the 360? You failed to put those into the PS3 #'s. What about final finstasy XII? It runs on the PS3 and got AAA. Why wasn't that counted?

Yep, he probably doesn't know how much he helped our arugment and hurt his with that comment. or maybe he does...possibly he setup that easy to kill strawman helping us prove our point.

mikasa

his quote would have been relevant if 3dfx was still battling out with directx

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="naval"]

yeah then we should break them into pc :Ati, pc: nvidia, pc:intel etc

naval

Why? games run on machines if they are AMD or INTEL. Or NVIDIA OR ATI. But they won't run on different OS's unless specifically compiled for them. What you said is like saying we should break out the PS2 into PS2 classic and PS2 slim. They both run the same games.

well you wanted to divide pcs based on what is required for gaming, not me

So if I have a MAC or LInus PC I can just go to the store and buy any old game new or old and play it? or do I have to buy a windows game for windows and a linux game for linux? I know for the 360 I can only buy xbox and 360 games.