If ya hate Pirates ... DO you only buy New games???

I have seen soo much hate and venom toword Pirates in these forms ... and the reasons....

1. They are destroying the Games Industry
2. Developers are losing money because of them.
3. They make it so games cost so much... ETC

Developers makes games and it cost money to make them. People buy the game and then if they want sell the game online at Ebay, or to Game stores that sell used games. OR Trade with fellow Gamers for other games.

Thus many of the same complaints aginst Pirates can be blamed on people not buying and keeping games.Should MS ban people who are playing used games.(permanently connect the Game to the console).Billion of dollars are made at Game stores, and Ebay from selling used games. Billions of Dollars that could have gone to the Developers. I do not hear the same amount of hate on people who do not buy NEW games as Pirates even though the "harm" is the same. Also, it is true Publishers would love Digital Distribution in which you can not sell to other people.That time is coming soon.

Some People Pirate games as

1. They do not have the money to buy games
2. They do not have a credit card to Rent from places that allow them to.
3. They like to try many games and if they do not like them just not play them, as they are free.
4. Its just easy to get Copied games and would rather not pay full price for new games

The system as it is does not allow for a short trial of all lvls. If you do not like the game you can not take it back. And paying 60 for a game to find out it does not play like others said, or how the review looked, sucks.

I know there is really 3 different discussions in the Poll but which is more important to ya in this wide discussion

1. They do not have the money to buy games
2. They do not have a credit card to Rent from places that allow them to.
3. They like to try many games and if they do not like them just not play them, as they are free.
4. Its just easy to get Copied games and would rather not pay full price for new games

Ravenlore_basic

Those are some pretty poor reasons..

1. So? You should never steal from other people unless you're starving to death. Games are a want, not a need.
2. Uhh...ok? There are other ways to purchase/rent a game.
3. If you're not certain about a game then you can play a demo, watch some videos, read reviews or ask others who have played it for their opinion.
4. Stealing is stealing, no matter how "easy" it is.

I can't always buy new because many games I want are out of print.

Whatever happened to waiting for the game to get cheaper?

sounds like your just trying to justify yourself as a pirate

Buying used = legal and perfectly fine to me morally. SpruceCaboose

I don't consider it anyone else's business other than you're own what you do with your games after you bought them.

Man, completely different issue. If I pay for a product, it's mine to keep or sell on as I choose. I have supported the dev and am perfectly entitled to sell it on, or buy a different game used. The dev has been paid, none of their business what people do after with the game.locopatho

IF the point is that Developers do not get paid and stealing is taking from the developers .... then it is fair to point out that when you sella game that the developers do not make money from that sell.Also, a person is playing that game without paying the developer, and if that person who bought the game from someone and sells it the developers initial money that was made from the first sale is diminished even forther.

SO Developers and Publishers Hate ALL the situations... their answer is Digital Distribution... and when you download the game it is not yours. They can even place restrictions on the game, requiring that you regester the console and game,so you can only play it on one console registred under your name. would ya feel better with this since this would cut down on Piracy???

Pirating = illegal and IMO morally wrong. Buying used = legal and perfectly fine to me morally. SpruceCaboose

SO even if the ends are the same.... Developer not getting paid for something they created ITS OKAY because its not stolen???

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Pirating = illegal and IMO morally wrong. Buying used = legal and perfectly fine to me morally. Ravenlore_basic

SO even if the ends are the same.... Developer not getting paid for something they created ITS OKAY because its not stolen???

I have only been buying new games, no used games, for the past 2 years. I intend to keep it up.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Pirating = illegal and IMO morally wrong. Buying used = legal and perfectly fine to me morally. Ravenlore_basic

SO even if the ends are the same.... Developer not getting paid for something they created ITS OKAY because its not stolen???

Pirating = illegal and IMO morally wrong. Buying used = legal and perfectly fine to me morally. SpruceCaboose

Lets look at it like this....

Person A buys NEW gamedeveloper gets 100%. Person B buys New games Develoer again gets 100%... and so on.

NOW person Z buys game again Developer gets 100% then he sells it to person Y on Ebay ... Developer does not get that money so the money he made is split 50% That person playes and then decides to sell it to a friend X so the DEVELOPERS money is cut again because instead of making 100% from 3 people he as only made the orginal purchase. and as the selling continues the less money the developer makes.

In the end the money made is lost. though TRUE not as much if people pay for the copy of the pirated game. still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!

still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!Ravenlore_basic

Fighting against piracy isn't just to help the industry. Mostly, because its illegal.

However, unlike some people here, I don't treat pirates as the "scum of the eath". I think people like that are total hypocrites. Anyone who knows how to get their hands on free digital media, have at one point or another. I don't support game pirating, but I'm not going to be a douche about it either.

In the end the money made is lost. though TRUE not as much if people pay for the copy of the pirated game. still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!

Ravenlore_basic

still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!Ravenlore_basic

I mainly buy new games because I don't trust anything that isn't factory sealed.

I've only bought 2 games used from Game stores Advance Wars Days of Ruin and F-Zero GX.

I bought one game used from a store it was HyperZone on the SNES, and then I bought some games from Ebay.

**** the industry; one's illegal, one's not. You can't take stuff for granted.

Pirating in your own privacy is one kind of thing. A bad thing.

Then trying to morally justify your actions is quite another. An even worse thing.

Not to say that pirating is right, but it's not stealing and I think calling it that just muddles the issue. Stealing is taking away something from someone else, not copying it.darkmoney52

If you purchase a game, you have every right to sell it on after as it is your game. It isnt against any law (whereas buring off copies to sell or give to friends is). If you buy a used game, again, its within the law. You're money may not go to the developer/publisher, but they did get the money from the person who purchased it in the first case. Nidget

If you purchase a game, you have every right to sell it on after as it is your game. It isnt against any law (whereas buring off copies to sell or give to friends is). If you buy a used game, again, its within the law. You're money may not go to the developer/publisher, but they did get the money from the person who purchased it in the first case. Nidget

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Not to say that pirating is right, but it's not stealing and I think calling it that just muddles the issue. Stealing is taking away something from someone else, not copying it.DJ_Lae

I thought developers got the money based on stores buying copies. The developers already got their money. It's the store that's getting screwed.

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

In the end the money made is lost. though TRUE not as much if people pay for the copy of the pirated game. still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!

DJ_Lae

You are looking at pirating as people buying and someone selling to mass amounts of people. On that point I agree. But THERE IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE TO ME!!!! There are shades of GREY. I just do not group all people into one catagory.

Their are people who make copies from friend. IS that diffentnt or the same??

If I "borrow" a game Back up game from a friend and we both can play it at the same time and I do not sell it but keep it in my collection???? whats the difference in the end if he sold it to me?? Developer does not make money either way.

I know PEOPLE like to keep it simple.... Good guy in white, and Bad guy in black..... no more no less. But life is more complacated than that regardless if you realize it or not.

Not all pirates sell games. A person who makes a copy and keeps it is still a pirate by defination but is not the same as a person who makes copies and sells them or buys them from a person who sells them.

I understand were you are coming from TC

Whether I buy the game used or I pirate it either way the developer is getting $0 for it. If I purchase the game for $60 the developer gets $60. I then legally own the license to the game, I can sell this game to anyone for any price or even give it away for free if I feel like and that's completely legal, $30, $20, $0... completely fine... either way the developer is getting $0 for it.

Say I sell the game to bob, he sells it to dave, he sells to chris the game has been played by 4 people yet to the developer only one person has paid to play the game, to the developer this is exactly the same as me just giving away the game to bob, and then him giving it to dave once he's finished playing it etc. How is that different than one person buying the game and then putting it on the internet for people to download? to the developer it's exactly the same, but instead of it being your 4 friends it's 50,000 strangers, does it become illegal because it's much larger scale?

tl;dr = I can give a physical game to a friend, he can give it to his friend x 40,000 and this is completley legal, yet if you do it with a non-physical game it's illegal.

I don't agree with piracy, I'm just saying there's a double standard and people like to try to defend the developer when it comes to piracy as if piracy is any different to a developer than game trading.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Pirating = illegal and IMO morally wrong. Buying used = legal and perfectly fine to me morally. Ravenlore_basic

SO even if the ends are the same.... Developer not getting paid for something they created ITS OKAY because its not stolen???

The ends are not the same because publishers already received money for the product when someone gets a legally acquired copy used.

Lets look at it like this....

Person A buys NEW gamedeveloper gets 100%. Person B buys New games Develoer again gets 100%... and so on.

NOW person Z buys game again Developer gets 100% then he sells it to person Y on Ebay ... Developer does not get that money so the money he made is split 50% That person playes and then decides to sell it to a friend X so the DEVELOPERS money is cut again because instead of making 100% from 3 people he as only made the orginal purchase. and as the selling continues the less money the developer makes.

In the end the money made is lost. though TRUE not as much if people pay for the copy of the pirated game. still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!

Ravenlore_basic

I guess the developer didn't make the game (good/long) enough to keep, the brought it on themselves.

I understand were you are coming from TC

Whether I buy the game used or I pirate it either way the developer is getting $0 for it. If I purchase the game for $60 the developer gets $60. I then legally own the license to the game, I can sell this game to anyone for any price or even give it away for free if I feel like and that's completely legal, $30, $20, $0... completely fine... either way the developer is getting $0 for it.

Say I sell the game to bob, he sells it to dave, he sells to chris the game has been played by 4 people yet to the developer only one person has paid to play the game, to the developer this is exactly the same as me just giving away the game to bob, and then him giving it to dave once he's finished playing it etc. How is that different than one person buying the game and then putting it on the internet for people to download? to the developer it's exactly the same, but instead of it being your 4 friends it's 50,000 strangers, does it become illegal because it's much larger scale?

tl;dr = I can give a physical game to a friend, he can give it to his friend x 40,000 and this is completley legal, yet if you do it with a non-physical game it's illegal.

I don't agree with piracy, I'm just saying there's a double standard and people like to try to defend the developer when it comes to piracy as if piracy is any different to a developer than game trading.

Brainkiller05

The licence isn't breched if the game isn't copied, that is the diffrence.

Man, completely different issue. If I pay for a product, it's mine to keep or sell on as I choose. I have supported the dev and am perfectly entitled to sell it on, or buy a different game used. The dev has been paid, none of their business what people do after with the game.locopatho

Man you just completely missed the point. Used games have the SAME effect on the industry as pirating games does. The legality of used games is irrelevant when it comes to it's effect on the industry. When YOU buy a new game then yes, you are supporting the developer, but the person who buys your game after you trade it in is NOT supporting the developer.

Anyone who brings up the legality of used games ans 100% missed the point.

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Used games are a cancer to the games industry same as pirating, anyone who can't understand this is an idiot, plain an simple.

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Pirating = illegal and IMO morally wrong. Buying used = legal and perfectly fine to me morally. Burning-Sludge

SO even if the ends are the same.... Developer not getting paid for something they created ITS OKAY because its not stolen???

The ends are not the same because publishers already received money for the product when someone gets a legally acquired copy used.

You do realise it's exactly the same for pirates right? What you guys think they hack the databases or something?

Some People steal cars as

1. They do not have the money to buy cars
2. They do not have a credit card to Rent cars from places that allow them to.
3. They like to try many cars and if they do not like them just not drive them, as they are free.
4. Its just easy to get stolen cars and would rather not pay full price for new cars

Ravenlore_basic

Fixed for you.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Man, completely different issue. If I pay for a product, it's mine to keep or sell on as I choose. I have supported the dev and am perfectly entitled to sell it on, or buy a different game used. The dev has been paid, none of their business what people do after with the game.mudman91878

Man you just completely missed the point. Used games have the SAME effect on the industry as pirating games does. The legality of used games is irrelevant when it comes to it's effect on the industry. When YOU buy a new game then yes, you are supporting the developer, but the person who buys your game after you trade it in is NOT supporting the developer.

Anyone who brings up the legality of used games ans 100% missed the point.

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Used games are a cancer to the games industry same as pirating, anyone who can't understand this is an idiot, plain an simple.

To help the developer, why don't you buy a new game every time you want to play the game you desire?

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

SO even if the ends are the same.... Developer not getting paid for something they created ITS OKAY because its not stolen???

Espada12

The ends are not the same because publishers already received money for the product when someone gets a legally acquired copy used.

You do realise it's exactly the same for pirates right? What you guys think they hack the databases or something?

When a new copy of a game is created by someone that does not hold the IP is when the theft takes place.

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[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

The ends are not the same because publishers already received money for the product when someone gets a legally acquired copy used.

Burning-Sludge

You do realise it's exactly the same for pirates right? What you guys think they hack the databases or something?

When a new copy of a game is created by someone that does not hold the IP is when the theft takes place.

That was kinda out of the blue.. directed at someone else maybe?

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Man, completely different issue. If I pay for a product, it's mine to keep or sell on as I choose. I have supported the dev and am perfectly entitled to sell it on, or buy a different game used. The dev has been paid, none of their business what people do after with the game.mudman91878

Man you just completely missed the point. Used games have the SAME effect on the industry as pirating games does. The legality of used games is irrelevant when it comes to it's effect on the industry. When YOU buy a new game then yes, you are supporting the developer, but the person who buys your game after you trade it in is NOT supporting the developer.

Anyone who brings up the legality of used games ans 100% missed the point.

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Used games are a cancer to the games industry same as pirating, anyone who can't understand this is an idiot, plain an simple.