If ya hate Pirates ... DO you only buy New games???

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Pirates like to justify what they do (as opposed to stealing tangible objects) because it's easier to pretend making a copy of something is not actually stealing in the strictest sense. I'd love to see the same people who download countless torrents walk into a game store or department store and walk out with game cases under their shirt. They wouldn't do it, because they're **bleep**ies. Same with people who download music or movies via torrent instead of buying them, and then try and justify what they do because "Oh I wouldn't buy them anyway, I don't have the money," or "They're too expensive." Too bad, it's still stealing.darkmoney52

You're completely wrong and I'm shocked that nobody has corrected you.

Copying someone's intellectual property is stealing unless the person who owns it gives permission. Taking the car example, only the manufacurer the car is allowed to make a replica..It's exactly the same with piracy.

Also, it doesn't make sense for you to say "Not saying piracy is right" and then say it's not stealing. Because if it's not theft, how can it be wrong? The answer to that question is that it is theft.

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

1. They do not have the money to buy games
2. They do not have a credit card to Rent from places that allow them to.
3. They like to try many games and if they do not like them just not play them, as they are free.
4. Its just easy to get Copied games and would rather not pay full price for new games

SpinoRaptor24

Those are some pretty poor reasons..

1. So? You should never steal from other people unless you're starving to death. Games are a want, not a need.
2. Uhh...ok? There are other ways to purchase/rent a game.
3. If you're not certain about a game then you can play a demo, watch some videos, read reviews or ask others who have played it for their opinion.
4. Stealing is stealing, no matter how "easy" it is.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

1. They do not have the money to buy games
2. They do not have a credit card to Rent from places that allow them to.
3. They like to try many games and if they do not like them just not play them, as they are free.
4. Its just easy to get Copied games and would rather not pay full price for new games

htekemerald

Those are some pretty poor reasons..

1. So? You should never steal from other people unless you're starving to death. Games are a want, not a need.
2. Uhh...ok? There are other ways to purchase/rent a game.
3. If you're not certain about a game then you can play a demo, watch some videos, read reviews or ask others who have played it for their opinion.
4. Stealing is stealing, no matter how "easy" it is.

Yes, it is. And the law defines it that way as well.

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

In the end the money made is lost. though TRUE not as much if people pay for the copy of the pirated game. still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!

mudman91878

STFU

NOBODY is ignoring their legal right to resell a game. Nobody is arguing the legality of used games....GET OFF THAT TOPIC.

It is a FACT that used games and pirating have the SAME EXACT EFFECT ON THE GAMING INDUSTRY, period. This FACT can not be argued.

If you feel that used games being legal justifies you being a cancer to the industry, fine, keep buying used games. Nobody can stop you because, like you've stated, it's legal.

Just know that buying 1 used game hurts the gaming industry just as much as downloading 1 pirated copy.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Pirates like to justify what they do (as opposed to stealing tangible objects) because it's easier to pretend making a copy of something is not actually stealing in the strictest sense. I'd love to see the same people who download countless torrents walk into a game store or department store and walk out with game cases under their shirt. They wouldn't do it, because they're **bleep**ies. Same with people who download music or movies via torrent instead of buying them, and then try and justify what they do because "Oh I wouldn't buy them anyway, I don't have the money," or "They're too expensive." Too bad, it's still stealing.Tragic_Kingdom7

You're completely wrong and I'm shocked that nobody has corrected you.

Copying someone's property, intellectual or otherwise, is stealing unless the person who owns the property gives permission. Taking the car example, only the owner of the car is allowed to make a replica. Anybody else that does and drives off with it is stealing the replica that only you are entitled to as the owner of the original car.It's exactly the same with piracy.

Also, it doesn't make sense for you to say "Not saying piracy is right" and then say it's not stealing. Because if it's not theft, how can it be wrong? The answer to that question is that it is theft.

Copyright infringement is not stealing because one party hasn't actually lost anything.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Those are some pretty poor reasons..

1. So? You should never steal from other people unless you're starving to death. Games are a want, not a need.
2. Uhh...ok? There are other ways to purchase/rent a game.
3. If you're not certain about a game then you can play a demo, watch some videos, read reviews or ask others who have played it for their opinion.
4. Stealing is stealing, no matter how "easy" it is.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Yes, it is. And the law defines it that way as well.

Which law is this?

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

1. They do not have the money to buy games
2. They do not have a credit card to Rent from places that allow them to.
3. They like to try many games and if they do not like them just not play them, as they are free.
4. Its just easy to get Copied games and would rather not pay full price for new games

htekemerald

Those are some pretty poor reasons..

1. So? You should never steal from other people unless you're starving to death. Games are a want, not a need.
2. Uhh...ok? There are other ways to purchase/rent a game.
3. If you're not certain about a game then you can play a demo, watch some videos, read reviews or ask others who have played it for their opinion.
4. Stealing is stealing, no matter how "easy" it is.

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

In the end the money made is lost. though TRUE not as much if people pay for the copy of the pirated game. still if you think that buying that used copy is legal and therefor different then you are only looking at it from one perspective!!

mudman91878

STFU

NOBODY is ignoring their legal right to resell a game. Nobody is arguing the legality of used games....GET OFF THAT TOPIC.

It is a FACT that used games and pirating have the SAME EXACT EFFECT ON THE GAMING INDUSTRY, period. This FACT can not be argued.

If you feel that used games being legal justifies you being a cancer to the industry, fine, keep buying used games. Nobody can stop you because, like you've stated, it's legal.

Just know that buying 1 used game hurts the gaming industry just as much as downloading 1 pirated copy.

Also, just so you know, games are passed on a ridiculous # of times. Gamestops all over the country will have loads of used COD MW2 games in a month or two and every single one of them will get sold to someone and the developer will see nothing from that.

New copies of the game are no being created by the passing of a used game around.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Not to say that pirating is right, but it's not stealing and I think calling it that just muddles the issue. Stealing is taking away something from someone else, not copying it.DJ_Lae

Well, you don't have to worry about that, because it is definitely stealing.

There are good points and bad points to every argument for example i copy my games yet i dont illegally download games i dont own. The same thing for people overseas who download the american version of a game cause it would not be released in their country. Europe used to do it all the time you can take away regional coding and then it would be different unfortunately the real world does not work like that. If you copy your games then you have in essence broken the law even if you want a paticular song from an album and you took it off the cd its still illegal.

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"] Just as you're ignoring that person's legal right to resell their property and transfer the license to someone else. That does not equate to one copy purchased, pirated, distributed to tens of thousands of people, and netting the developers a single $60 price tag (and that's assuming it wasn't just a leaked version that cost nothing). It's not a debate - pirating a game is stealing, selling a used copy if within a person's legal rights according to the license agreement games come with. Even if it was, you'd need a single game being passed on a ridiculous number of times used to somehow equal the damage done by one pirated copy, and no one else buying the game new at any point during its release.salxis

STFU

NOBODY is ignoring their legal right to resell a game. Nobody is arguing the legality of used games....GET OFF THAT TOPIC.

It is a FACT that used games and pirating have the SAME EXACT EFFECT ON THE GAMING INDUSTRY, period. This FACT can not be argued.

If you feel that used games being legal justifies you being a cancer to the industry, fine, keep buying used games. Nobody can stop you because, like you've stated, it's legal.

Just know that buying 1 used game hurts the gaming industry just as much as downloading 1 pirated copy.

You sure love missing the point of his post don't you.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Those are some pretty poor reasons..

1. So? You should never steal from other people unless you're starving to death. Games are a want, not a need.
2. Uhh...ok? There are other ways to purchase/rent a game.
3. If you're not certain about a game then you can play a demo, watch some videos, read reviews or ask others who have played it for their opinion.
4. Stealing is stealing, no matter how "easy" it is.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Yes, it is. And the law defines it that way as well.

Geez there is no industry that whines and moans about 2nd hand products like the game industry.

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

WilliamRLBaker

This makes no sense here. Pirates buy the game legally then they distribute it.. it's no different from used game sales, what do you think they steal it from the store? Do you think they hack the companies databases? :S

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

You do realise it's exactly the same for pirates right? What you guys think they hack the databases or something?

Espada12

When a new copy of a game is created by someone that does not hold the IP is when the theft takes place.

That was kinda out of the blue.. directed at someone else maybe?

Wah! :? That was directed directly to you.

Used were still once new. A pirated game could have only had 1 new copy.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

When a new copy of a game is created by someone that does not hold the IP is when the theft takes place.

Burning-Sludge

That was kinda out of the blue.. directed at someone else maybe?

Wah! :? That was directed directly to you.

I don't understand.. it's not relevant to my statement.

I don't really hate pirates. I just think ninjas are a lot cooler :lol:SilverChimera

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

WilliamRLBaker

1 person buys a used game

1 person dl's a game illegally

Those two things have the exact same effect to the developer. Someone is playing their game and they did not get a penny from it.

Used were still once new. A pirated game could have only had 1 new copy.

EvanTheGamer

Completely irrelevant, thanks for playing though.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

Espada12

This makes no sense here. Pirates buy the game legally then they distribute it.. it's no different from used game sales, what do you think they steal it from the store? Do you think they hack the companies databases? :S

The illegal part comes when they copy then distribute it. That is breaking IP rights.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Piracy =/= theft

htekemerald

Yes, it is. And the law defines it that way as well.

It doesn't have to say it explicitly It is unauthorized use which neccesitates a sort of theft, whether intellectual or physical.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

Burning-Sludge

This makes no sense here. Pirates buy the game legally then they distribute it.. it's no different from used game sales, what do you think they steal it from the store? Do you think they hack the companies databases? :S

The illegal part comes when they copy then distribute it. That is breaking IP rights.

It's really tiresome stating the same thing over and over again because some people don't get it.

This thread mentioned used games and pirating games because they have the same effect on the industry. It has NOTHING to do with the fact that one is legal and one isn't.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

mudman91878

1 person buys a used game

1 person dl's a game illegally

Those two things have the exact same effect to the developer. Someone is playing their game and they did not get a penny from it.

Do you think developers should get money every time you attempt to play the game?

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"] Not to say that pirating is right, but it's not stealing and I think calling it that just muddles the issue. Stealing is taking away something from someone else, not copying it. I would not care at all if somehow someone made a replica of my car and drove off in the replica.Espada12

You're completely wrong and I'm shocked that nobody has corrected you.

Copying someone's property, intellectual or otherwise, is stealing unless the person who owns the property gives permission. Taking the car example, only the owner of the car is allowed to make a replica. Anybody else that does and drives off with it is stealing the replica that only you are entitled to as the owner of the original car.It's exactly the same with piracy.

Also, it doesn't make sense for you to say "Not saying piracy is right" and then say it's not stealing. Because if it's not theft, how can it be wrong? The answer to that question is that it is theft.

Copyright infringement is not stealing because one party hasn't actually lost anything.

Like I said, unauthorized use neccesitates a kind of theft.

The only legitimate excuse to be a pirate imo, is if the game you want has stopped production and is extremely hard to find.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

Burning-Sludge

This makes no sense here. Pirates buy the game legally then they distribute it.. it's no different from used game sales, what do you think they steal it from the store? Do you think they hack the companies databases? :S

The illegal part comes when they copy then distribute it. That is breaking IP rights.

I know that is the illegal part, the only difference between used game sales and piracy is that retailers do the distributing instead of pirates and that people pay for the used/rented games instead of them being free and that used game sales are legal of course. Either way the outcome is the same.. dev gets no money aside from the initial copy bought, which is exactly the problem the TC is talking about.

[QUOTE="salxis"][QUOTE="mudman91878"]

STFU

NOBODY is ignoring their legal right to resell a game. Nobody is arguing the legality of used games....GET OFF THAT TOPIC.

It is a FACT that used games and pirating have the SAME EXACT EFFECT ON THE GAMING INDUSTRY, period. This FACT can not be argued.

If you feel that used games being legal justifies you being a cancer to the industry, fine, keep buying used games. Nobody can stop you because, like you've stated, it's legal.

Just know that buying 1 used game hurts the gaming industry just as much as downloading 1 pirated copy.

mudman91878

STFU

At what point did I even remotely hint that I'm pirating. I'm arguing that they are both equally bad for the gaming industry and those saying used games are ok but pirating is wrong are partially being hypocrites.

Maybe english isn't your first language and you don't have a clue what I'm saying and if that's the case, just stop replying.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Yes, it is. And the law defines it that way as well.

Tragic_Kingdom7

It doesn't have to say it explicitly It is unauthorized use which neccesitates a sort of theft, whether intellectual or physical.

Copy right infringement: Civil offense

Theft: : Legal offense

and yes the law does actually have to be clear and concise, not open for interpretation.

Play Again

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

This makes no sense here. Pirates buy the game legally then they distribute it.. it's no different from used game sales, what do you think they steal it from the store? Do you think they hack the companies databases? :S

Espada12

The illegal part comes when they copy then distribute it. That is breaking IP rights.

I know that is the illegal part, the only difference between used game sales and piracy is that retailers do the distributing instead of pirates and that people pay for the used/rented games instead of them being free and that used game sales are legal of course. Either way the outcome is the same.. dev gets no money aside from the initial copy bought, which is exactly the problem the TC is talking about.

Actually publishers are doing the distributing, they are just using retailers as a tool.

[QUOTE="salxis"][QUOTE="mudman91878"]

STFU

NOBODY is ignoring their legal right to resell a game. Nobody is arguing the legality of used games....GET OFF THAT TOPIC.

It is a FACT that used games and pirating have the SAME EXACT EFFECT ON THE GAMING INDUSTRY, period. This FACT can not be argued.

If you feel that used games being legal justifies you being a cancer to the industry, fine, keep buying used games. Nobody can stop you because, like you've stated, it's legal.

Just know that buying 1 used game hurts the gaming industry just as much as downloading 1 pirated copy.

Espada12

You sure love missing the point of his post don't you.

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Pirates like to justify what they do (as opposed to stealing tangible objects) because it's easier to pretend making a copy of something is not actually stealing in the strictest sense. I'd love to see the same people who download countless torrents walk into a game store or department store and walk out with game cases under their shirt. They wouldn't do it, because they're **bleep**ies. Same with people who download music or movies via torrent instead of buying them, and then try and justify what they do because "Oh I wouldn't buy them anyway, I don't have the money," or "They're too expensive." Too bad, it's still stealing.darkmoney52

Absolute garbage. You would not care if someone made a replica of your car and drove off in it? Would you feel the same if you had put in many hours of hard work and dedication towards creating it? You'd be content to give it away for free, as it's only a copy, right? Nevermind your efforts.

I just love these justifications. Taking something that another has worked and invested time in to create without proper compensation is stealing, period.

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

It doesn't matter how much this is debated the fact still remains.

Someone buys a game, then sells it used...the original money was received by the developer the license was transfered.

Someone buys a game, steals it then copies it and people get it for free no money is exchanged...yeah the debate is useless its still a fact Used game sales do not equal piracy.

Burning-Sludge

1 person buys a used game

1 person dl's a game illegally

Those two things have the exact same effect to the developer. Someone is playing their game and they did not get a penny from it.

Do you think developers should get money every time you attempt to play the game?

Of course not, that's ridiculous.

Don't even continue this argument because it's clear where you're going with it and it's a pathetic argument to make. When I buy a game I buy the right to play it as much as I want. I bought that right FROM THE DEVELOPER, which is the entire point of this thread.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Funny, seems I can't find this definition that says piracy is theft in my countries law or the usa's law.

htekemerald

It doesn't have to say it explicitly It is unauthorized use which neccesitates a sort of theft, whether intellectual or physical.

Copy right infringement: Civil offense

Theft: : Legal offense

and yes the law does actually have to be clear and concise, not open for interpretation.

Play Again

OK. Perhaps I was wrong when I said that the law defined it as theft. That doesn't mean that copywright infringement isn't stealing.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="salxis"] So it's better to perform illegitimate actions as opposed to legitimate, if the end justifies it? Seriously, if you are pirating, just be quiet and don't argue, you know what you are doing is wrong, there's nothing backing you up so please stop arguing. salxis

You sure love missing the point of his post don't you.

When you use the word "you" and you've quoted someone, it tends to look like you are referring to them specifically.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

It doesn't have to say it explicitly It is unauthorized use which neccesitates a sort of theft, whether intellectual or physical.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Copy right infringement: Civil offense

Theft: : Legal offense

and yes the law does actually have to be clear and concise, not open for interpretation.

Play Again

OK. Perhaps I was wrong when I said that the law defined it as theft. That doesn't mean that copywright infringement isn't stealing.

And for us logical ones it does in the real world as well.

to be clear

1. Pirating is bad it hurts the industry
2. If you are buying used games it is legal but also hurts the industry.

SO if you are on your high horse buying used games ... please get off and stop calling me kettle you pot.

If you only buy new games then I would like to thank ya.

Here is another example

A Friend of mine beat Borderands and before he sales it to Gamestop I buy it from him. I play it and enjoy it then beat it. I then sell it to Gamestop for about the same money I paied to my friend. SO did it get the experience for free

or

The same thing happens EXCEPT he burns me a copy of the game befoe he leaves, I will not sale the copy, but play it from time to time after I beat it and keep it in my collection.

In the end nothing changed. Does the developers deserve to get paid after creating something that you played?? Are you paying for the experience or the phyical data??

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

1 person buys a used game

1 person dl's a game illegally

Those two things have the exact same effect to the developer. Someone is playing their game and they did not get a penny from it.

mudman91878

Do you think developers should get money every time you attempt to play the game?

Of course not, that's ridiculous.

Don't even continue this argument because it's clear where you're going with it and it's a pathetic argument to make. When I buy a game I buy the right to play it as much as I want. I bought that right FROM THE DEVELOPER, which is the entire point of this thread.

Do you also know that you are allowed to sell (or give away) the game you bought from the publisher?

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Well lets see, under legal definitions

Copy right infringement: Civil offense

Theft: : Legal offense

and yes the law does actually have to be clear and concise, not open for interpretation.

Play Again

htekemerald

OK. Perhaps I was wrong when I said that the law defined it as theft. That doesn't mean that copywright infringement isn't stealing.

And for us logical ones it does in the real world as well.

So if you copy somebody's ideas and attempt to make money off of it, you don't think that's theft of their ideas?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

OK. Perhaps I was wrong when I said that the law defined it as theft. That doesn't mean that copywright infringement isn't stealing.

Tragic_Kingdom7

And for us logical ones it does in the real world as well.

So if you attempt to make money off of somebody's ideas, you don't think that's theft of their ideas?

In terms of gaming I just call it used game sales and renting.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] legaly, yes it does.

And for us logical ones it does in the real world as well.

Espada12

So if you attempt to make money off of somebody's ideas, you don't think that's theft of their ideas?

In terms of gaming I just call it used game sales and renting.

I didn't state that right, but I meant in terms of copying and selling, not simply selling.

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

Do you think developers should get money every time you attempt to play the game?

Burning-Sludge

Of course not, that's ridiculous.

Don't even continue this argument because it's clear where you're going with it and it's a pathetic argument to make. When I buy a game I buy the right to play it as much as I want. I bought that right FROM THE DEVELOPER, which is the entire point of this thread.

Do you also know that you are allowed to sell (or give away) the game you bought from the publisher?

For the 500th time this is NOT about the legality of used games. Of course I know I'm legally allowed to sell/trade it in.

The ENTIRE POINT OF THE THREAD is that used games and pirating have the same effect on the industry.

The legality of used games vs the illegality of pirating is 100% IRRELEVANT to this discussion. I have no idea why this is so hard to understand.

If the fact that buying/selling used games makes you feel better about being just as much a cancer to the gaming industry as pirates, fine with me, go right ahead. I'm looking at the bigger picture. I realize that buying and selling used games is hurting the industry, thus I choose not to participate in it. I don't care if it's legal or not. Legal does not always mean it's right.

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

1 person buys a used game

1 person dl's a game illegally

Those two things have the exact same effect to the developer. Someone is playing their game and they did not get a penny from it.

mudman91878

Do you think developers should get money every time you attempt to play the game?

Of course not, that's ridiculous.

Don't even continue this argument because it's clear where you're going with it and it's a pathetic argument to make. When I buy a game I buy the right to play it as much as I want. I bought that right FROM THE DEVELOPER, which is the entire point of this thread.

How an you be so cold hearted in not wanting the developers/publishers make money every time someone plays a game they hold the IP rights to?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

OK. Perhaps I was wrong when I said that the law defined it as theft. That doesn't mean that copywright infringement isn't stealing.

Tragic_Kingdom7

And for us logical ones it does in the real world as well.

So if you copy somebody's ideas and attempt to make money off of it, you don't think that's theft of their ideas?

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

Do you think developers should get money every time you attempt to play the game?

Burning-Sludge

Of course not, that's ridiculous.

Don't even continue this argument because it's clear where you're going with it and it's a pathetic argument to make. When I buy a game I buy the right to play it as much as I want. I bought that right FROM THE DEVELOPER, which is the entire point of this thread.

How an you be so cold hearted in not wanting the developers/publishers make money every time someone plays a game they hold the IP rights to?

You're really getting desperate in your argument.

The answer: because that's the agreement I entered into with the developer when I bought the game.