I'm noticing a consistent trend of the XBone missing out on GAMES..

@playharderfool said:

@delta3074 said:

@Douevenlift_bro said:

The PC and PS4 are getting the bulk of any games coming out in future and the Xbone gets left behind.

So now that Halo has flopped and Gears and Quantum Break are next in line, this looks like the typical MS console strategy. Blow their load in 1 or 2 years and have nothing else. How's that skype and television with Grandma paying off though ?

Meh, reverse of last gen is all

The 360 had more games than the Ps3, it's just the way the it goes, the 360 was best for multiplats last gen so it got more multiplats, Ps4 is the best for multiplats this gen so it gets more multiplats.

360 had more arcade games than the ps3 last gen, Ps4 has more arcade games this gen.

Xbox one is getting all the heavy hittersso it doesn't really matter.

lol if only that were the case

but it's not literally not getting all the "heavy hitters" pun intended, it's actually missing the biggest one lol.

And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.

Saying you don't care about great games simply because they aren't on your console you prefer isn't a good argument especially when the game/s are bigger than virtually all the "heavy hitters" on the console you are arguing for.

Outside of halo, nothing on xbox is a bigger heavy hitter than Street Fighter and you can bet on that.

Uh, Even halo isn't a heavy hitter now compared to SF.. have you seen it's sales?

Well let me ask you this you butt hurt Cow. Who in the hell said anything about RROD besides a butt hurt cow like you? Please explain, what exactly am I lying about? I would love to hear what BS you come up with.

I never said anything about Microsoft or Xbox or RROD anything, this is just a case of a butt hurt cow name quadknight in her feelings in denial about Sony with the PS2 DRE problems, you are just doing what cows do and that is get mad when Sony has any issue whatsoever.

I like how you insists on me being a Lem just because I brought up a issue with Sony, you are making Cows look bad.

Do you want some tissue?

Dat logic..

We're done here.

No one has seen the sales of Halo 5 so what are you talking about?

@tushar172787 said:

@playharderfool said:

@delta3074 said:

@Douevenlift_bro said:

The PC and PS4 are getting the bulk of any games coming out in future and the Xbone gets left behind.

So now that Halo has flopped and Gears and Quantum Break are next in line, this looks like the typical MS console strategy. Blow their load in 1 or 2 years and have nothing else. How's that skype and television with Grandma paying off though ?

Meh, reverse of last gen is all

The 360 had more games than the Ps3, it's just the way the it goes, the 360 was best for multiplats last gen so it got more multiplats, Ps4 is the best for multiplats this gen so it gets more multiplats.

360 had more arcade games than the ps3 last gen, Ps4 has more arcade games this gen.

Xbox one is getting all the heavy hittersso it doesn't really matter.

lol if only that were the case

but it's not literally not getting all the "heavy hitters" pun intended, it's actually missing the biggest one lol.

And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.

Saying you don't care about great games simply because they aren't on your console you prefer isn't a good argument especially when the game/s are bigger than virtually all the "heavy hitters" on the console you are arguing for.

Outside of halo, nothing on xbox is a bigger heavy hitter than Street Fighter and you can bet on that.

Uh, Even halo isn't a heavy hitter now compared to SF.. have you seen it's sales?

And yet I still have a lot of games to enjoy on my XBox One.

so has the ps4 ark survival evolved that just came to the xboxone this week.

@ProjectPat187: You're a stupid lem because you're comparing the failure rate of DRE to RROD. Everyone and their mom knows RROD was way worse. GTFO with that "I'm not a console gamer" bullshit you're still a stupid lem for even thinking both cases are similar in scope.

When the tears rain the pour,

Again you stupid COW, I simply brought up DRE and then you all of a sudden started your period, being a sensitive butt hurt Sony worshiper is whats making you look bad, the sooner you realize that the better off you will be, but its obvious by now you are just content with being stupid and embarrassed.

Again, if you want me to be a Lem just because I simply brought up a issue with Sony, just remember noob, I dont play consoles lol, I leave that to you consolites who dont know any better lol.

Dont it just suck to know the PS2 had DRE problem and you cant stand it and are mad about it?

@Douevenlift_bro: Hold on, now... Has Remedy *ever* had a certified flop?

I'm drinking your butthurt tears as you type your long essay replies.

RROD was a huge embarrassment to MS and a total **** up even MS' execs admit it. Only a corporate cheerleader like you would try to pretend it wasn't a big deal by comparing it to the much less problematic DRE.

"Bu bu bu bu but I'm not a lemming, I don't play consolez!!1" LMAO, idiot.

@quadknight:

You stated it like it was a fact...

"The next Kojima game will not release until the PS5"

LMAO you pulled the same bullshit.

"Xbone was cheaper last year and the majority of this year and it still didn't beat the PS4. Face it, no one wants an Xbone."

Some healthy reaching you're doing there lol. You know very well what I meant by my statement.

Of course people want Xbone, it's still selling well in the US it's just that compared to PS4 worldwide not many people want it.

He's talking about Kojima's next game coming out on PS5 like it's been confirmed by Kojima and Sony. There's a big difference between the two statements.

@quadknight said:

@ProjectPat187 said:

@quadknight said:

@ProjectPat187: You're a stupid lem because you're comparing the failure rate of DRE to RROD. Everyone and their mom knows RROD was way worse. GTFO with that "I'm not a console gamer" bullshit you're still a stupid lem for even thinking both cases are similar in scope.

When the tears rain the pour,

Again you stupid COW, I simply brought up DRE and then you all of a sudden started your period, being a sensitive butt hurt Sony worshiper is whats making you look bad, the sooner you realize that the better off you will be, but its obvious by now you are just content with being stupid and embarrassed.

Again, if you want me to be a Lem just because I simply brought up a issue with Sony, just remember noob, I dont play consoles lol, I leave that to you consolites who dont know any better lol.

Dont it just suck to know the PS2 had DRE problem and you cant stand it and are mad about it?

I'm drinking your butthurt tears as you type your long essay replies.

RROD was a huge embarrassment to MS and a total **** up even MS' execs admit it. Only a corporate cheerleader like you would try to pretend it wasn't a big deal by comparing it to the much less problematic DRE.

"Bu bu bu bu but I'm not a lemming, I don't play consolez!!1" LMAO, idiot.

Butt Hurt tears? Oh look you running out of things to say so now you repeating what I said to you lol, help me laugh you butt hurt low life COW. Why does it hurt your feelings so bad that Sony had a DRE problem? Of course you are gonna keep bringing up RROD for no apparent reason because you will do any and everything to stay away from the truth, the truth is you are a lame butt hurt Sony worshiper that will stay blinded on purpose in denial of Sony and their DRE fiasco.

Oh and did I mention "Dont it just suck to know the PS2 had DRE problem and you cant stand it and are mad about it"?

And guess what you low life idiot cow? I dont play consoles.

RROD problems >> DRE problems, a fact written in history despite your tears on SW. Your stupid attempts to deflect the fact that a lot of 360 replacements were due to RROD isn't working.

"bu bu bu bu but I am not a lemming!!"

lol idiot.

I'm reaching? You're the one that stated bullshit as a fact, same as the person you called out for that LOL

@quadknight said:

@ProjectPat187 said:

@quadknight said:

I'm drinking your butthurt tears as you type your long essay replies.

RROD was a huge embarrassment to MS and a total **** up even MS' execs admit it. Only a corporate cheerleader like you would try to pretend it wasn't a big deal by comparing it to the much less problematic DRE.

"Bu bu bu bu but I'm not a lemming, I don't play consolez!!1" LMAO, idiot.

Butt Hurt tears? Oh look you running out of things to say so now you repeating what I said to you lol, help me laugh you butt hurt low life COW. Why does it hurt your feelings so bad that Sony had a DRE problem? Of course you are gonna keep bringing up RROD for no apparent reason because you will do any and everything to stay away from the truth, the truth is you are a lame butt hurt Sony worshiper that will stay blinded on purpose in denial of Sony and their DRE fiasco.

Oh and did I mention "Dont it just suck to know the PS2 had DRE problem and you cant stand it and are mad about it"?

And guess what you low life idiot cow? I dont play consoles.

RROD problems >> DRE problems, a fact written in history despite your tears on SW. Your stupid attempts to deflect the fact that a lot of 360 replacements were due to RROD isn't working.

"bu bu bu bu but I am not a lemming!!"

lol idiot.

3 confirmed RROD's myself, then you put in MS dropping core in 2009 to chase the Wii's pot of gold with Kinect(lol) and you realize MS did the unthinkable.

@quadknight said:

@ProjectPat187 said:

@quadknight said:

I'm drinking your butthurt tears as you type your long essay replies.

RROD was a huge embarrassment to MS and a total **** up even MS' execs admit it. Only a corporate cheerleader like you would try to pretend it wasn't a big deal by comparing it to the much less problematic DRE.

"Bu bu bu bu but I'm not a lemming, I don't play consolez!!1" LMAO, idiot.

Butt Hurt tears? Oh look you running out of things to say so now you repeating what I said to you lol, help me laugh you butt hurt low life COW. Why does it hurt your feelings so bad that Sony had a DRE problem? Of course you are gonna keep bringing up RROD for no apparent reason because you will do any and everything to stay away from the truth, the truth is you are a lame butt hurt Sony worshiper that will stay blinded on purpose in denial of Sony and their DRE fiasco.

Oh and did I mention ""?

And guess what you low life idiot cow? I dont play consoles.

RROD problems >> DRE problems, a fact written in history despite your tears on SW. Your stupid attempts to deflect the fact that a lot of 360 replacements were due to RROD isn't working.

"bu bu bu bu but I am not a lemming!!"

lol idiot.

The rage continues lol, the tears are raining, but what I dont get is why are you mad at me because I pointed out the DRE problem? You should be mad at Sony, you have to realize that there are times your hero will let you down. Have you noticed I still havent said one word about RROD yet? I dont expect you to get it though, your Sony brain damage has got the best of you.

Guess what?..........................Don't it just suck to know the PS2 had DRE problems and you cant stand it and are mad about it?

Oh and did I mention...........Don't it just suck to know the PS2 had DRE problems and you cant stand it and are mad about it.

you idiot COW. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!

@Douevenlift_bro: Well even if you troll there is a point to your overall point.

X1 losing momentum in hard way , if there is any left that is ... More and more great games becoming either exclusives , time exclusives or console exclusives in favor of PS4. That only hurts X1 in the long run while keeping PS4s momentum and hype alive ... Latest slap , Kojimas new IP wont get an X1 release.

Then again Ps4 has the most all around library , most AAA/AA games to offer as we speak ( metacritic ) in total and without the biggest guns out ( uncharted 4 / last of us 2 / Gow 4 / Last guardian / GT7 and more ) it really pulverizes competition with ease. And while this continues it will get worse and worse for X1 , period.

The only platform that can put an end to this kind of momentum and hype is NX and thats IF it really , reaaaallllllyyyyyyy delivers in its first 2-3 months.

@playharderfool said:

@delta3074 said:

@Douevenlift_bro said:

The PC and PS4 are getting the bulk of any games coming out in future and the Xbone gets left behind.

So now that Halo has flopped and Gears and Quantum Break are next in line, this looks like the typical MS console strategy. Blow their load in 1 or 2 years and have nothing else. How's that skype and television with Grandma paying off though ?

Meh, reverse of last gen is all

The 360 had more games than the Ps3, it's just the way the it goes, the 360 was best for multiplats last gen so it got more multiplats, Ps4 is the best for multiplats this gen so it gets more multiplats.

360 had more arcade games than the ps3 last gen, Ps4 has more arcade games this gen.

Xbox one is getting all the heavy hittersso it doesn't really matter.

lol if only that were the case

but it's not literally not getting all the "heavy hitters" pun intended, it's actually missing the biggest one lol.

And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.

Saying you don't care about great games simply because they aren't on your console you prefer isn't a good argument especially when the game/s are bigger than virtually all the "heavy hitters" on the console you are arguing for.

Outside of Halo, nothing on xbox is a bigger heavy hitter than Street Fighter and you can bet on that.

are you blind? how many times do i have to say I WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL GAMES NOT JUST EXCLUSIVES

And with all the Multiplats out there i doubt missing out on ONE game makes a huge difference

'And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.'

Yes, Because ONE game makes all the difference right?

Don't be daft.

Also,How can SF be the biggest heavy hitter when you acknowledged that Halo is a bigger heavy hitter?

You kind of contradicted yourself.

Nope, and it's total franchise sales are 30 million behind Halo

Street fighter franchise total sales=35 million units by 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter

Halo franchise= 65+ million units

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_%28series%29

Street fighter 2 ( highest selling SF game)=6.30 million units

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Capcom_game

Halo 3 (highest selling Halo game) =12.06 million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Halo

Last SF game , street fighter 4 = 3.30 million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Capcom_games

Last Halo game, Halo 5 1st week sales 1.46 million

And it's the biggest Halo launch ever

Saying that, even the MCC collection sold more than the last street fighter game at over 5 million units as july 2015

Just because it sounds right in your head does not mean it's actually right in the real world.

@delta3074 said:

@playharderfool said:

@delta3074 said:

@Douevenlift_bro said:

The PC and PS4 are getting the bulk of any games coming out in future and the Xbone gets left behind.

So now that Halo has flopped and Gears and Quantum Break are next in line, this looks like the typical MS console strategy. Blow their load in 1 or 2 years and have nothing else. How's that skype and television with Grandma paying off though ?

Meh, reverse of last gen is all

The 360 had more games than the Ps3, it's just the way the it goes, the 360 was best for multiplats last gen so it got more multiplats, Ps4 is the best for multiplats this gen so it gets more multiplats.

360 had more arcade games than the ps3 last gen, Ps4 has more arcade games this gen.

Xbox one is getting all the heavy hittersso it doesn't really matter.

lol if only that were the case

but it's not literally not getting all the "heavy hitters" pun intended, it's actually missing the biggest one lol.

And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.

Saying you don't care about great games simply because they aren't on your console you prefer isn't a good argument especially when the game/s are bigger than virtually all the "heavy hitters" on the console you are arguing for.

Outside of Halo, nothing on xbox is a bigger heavy hitter than Street Fighter and you can bet on that.

are you blind? how many times do i have to say I WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL GAMES NOT JUST EXCLUSIVES

And with all the Multiplats out there i doubt missing out on ONE game makes a huge difference

'And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.'

Yes, Because ONE game makes all the difference right?

Don't be daft.

Also,How can SF be the biggest heavy hitter when you acknowledged that Halo is a bigger heavy hitter?

You kind of contradicted yourself.

lol a rage post won't change anything, I was simply pointing out the misinformation in your post

"Xbox one is getting all the heavy hitters"

I pointed out how that wasn't true with SFV.

Simple as that, you were wrong. If you were talking about all games why did you say xbox one is getting all the heavy hitters when it's not? Honestly, whether you like it or not PS4 is the system that is getting all the heavy hitters with even more PC support than xbox one has.

Even when PS3 was getting the shaft on 3rd party games it never missed out of a huge long running franchise like Street Fighter, at most 360 just had timed exclusive deals but some of these high profile games on PS4 are never coming to xbox one.

Furthermore I said SF is bigger than every heavy hitter on xbox one outside of Halo, I didn't contradict myself at all there you just seem upset and searching for something to come back with after making that erroneous comment to prop up the system you favor.

@quadknight said:

RROD problems >> DRE problems, a fact written in history despite your tears on SW. Your stupid attempts to deflect the fact that a lot of 360 replacements were due to RROD isn't working.

"bu bu bu bu but I am not a lemming!!"

lol idiot.

Microsofts response to RROD >>>>Sonys response to DRE

Microsoft= 3 year warranty plus all retrospective repair costs reimbursed

SONY='Sony settled its "disc read error" lawsuit by compensating the affected gamers with USD $25, a free game from a specified list, and the reduced cost repair or replacement (at SCEA's discretion) of the damaged system.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

Granted RROD was far worse then DRE in affected units but Microsofts response was light years better.

Even after the lawsuit found SONY liable they claimed DRE was not an issue.

Mind you, you just have to look at the way they treated the public over putting rootkits on there music CD's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

Microsoft and SONY are as bad as each other, don't try to pretend otherwise

@playharderfool said:

@delta3074 said:

@playharderfool said:

@delta3074 said:

@Douevenlift_bro said:

The PC and PS4 are getting the bulk of any games coming out in future and the Xbone gets left behind.

So now that Halo has flopped and Gears and Quantum Break are next in line, this looks like the typical MS console strategy. Blow their load in 1 or 2 years and have nothing else. How's that skype and television with Grandma paying off though ?

Meh, reverse of last gen is all

The 360 had more games than the Ps3, it's just the way the it goes, the 360 was best for multiplats last gen so it got more multiplats, Ps4 is the best for multiplats this gen so it gets more multiplats.

360 had more arcade games than the ps3 last gen, Ps4 has more arcade games this gen.

Xbox one is getting all the heavy hittersso it doesn't really matter.

lol if only that were the case

but it's not literally not getting all the "heavy hitters" pun intended, it's actually missing the biggest one lol.

And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.

Saying you don't care about great games simply because they aren't on your console you prefer isn't a good argument especially when the game/s are bigger than virtually all the "heavy hitters" on the console you are arguing for.

Outside of Halo, nothing on xbox is a bigger heavy hitter than Street Fighter and you can bet on that.

are you blind? how many times do i have to say I WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL GAMES NOT JUST EXCLUSIVES

And with all the Multiplats out there i doubt missing out on ONE game makes a huge difference

'And if you don't think SFV is a heavy hitter then it's probably the reason xbox fans have less games and market share this gen.'

Yes, Because ONE game makes all the difference right?

Don't be daft.

Also,How can SF be the biggest heavy hitter when you acknowledged that Halo is a bigger heavy hitter?

You kind of contradicted yourself.

lol a rage post won't change anything, I was simply pointing out the misinformation in your post

"Xbox one is getting all the heavy hitters"

I pointed out how that wasn't true with SFV.

Simple as that, you were wrong. If you were talking about all games why did you say xbox one is getting all the heavy hitters when it's not? Honestly, whether you like it or not PS4 is the system that is getting all the heavy hitters with even more PC support than xbox one has.

Even when PS3 was getting the shaft on 3rd party games it never missed out of a huge long running franchise like Street Fighter, at most 360 just had timed exclusive deals but some of these high profile games on PS4 are never coming to xbox one.

Furthermore I said SF is bigger than every heavy hitter on xbox one outside of Halo, I didn't contradict myself at all there you just seem upset and searching for something to come back with after making that erroneous comment to prop up the system you favor.

'Furthermore I said SF is bigger than every heavy hitter on xbox one outside of Halo, I didn't contradict myself at all there you just seem upset and searching for something to come back with after making that erroneous comment to prop up the system you favor.'

'but it's not literally not getting all the "heavy hitters" pun intended, it's actually missing the BIGGEST one lol.'

'SF is bigger than every heavy hitter on xbox one OUTSIDE of Halo,'

read them both and then try and tell me you didn't contradict yourself.

You very clearly called SF the BIGGEST heavy hitter then went on to say that Halo was a bigger heavy hitter did you not?

Reading comprehension FTW

lol yes, it is a reading comprehension fail, on your part that is.

You are so emotionally invested that you can't even make out the toung in cheek parts of my post even when I blatantly identify them.

Let me make it easier for you since you can't put 2 and 2 together in this simple light hearted section that was pointed toward the genre of the game in question and not overall audience.

"but it's not literally not getting all the "heavy hitters" pun intended, it's actually missing the biggest one lol."

I am not going to assume you understand by just bolding and underlining I think I'll just type it all out since you've gone this far and still trying to make a argument that should be pretty easy to grasp otherwise:

Street Fighter V is a....FIGHTING GAME! thus me saying "pun intended" when saying "heavy hitters", then I went on to say it's actually missing the biggest one being that Street Fighter is the biggest fighting game around. I don't know how anyone could get confused after the "pun intended" part of my post lol.

it's sad I had to write that out because you failed to comprehend the humorous yet obvious portion of my post. Me acknowledging that Halo was a bigger heavy hitter than SF after I made that "pun" comment should have given you a clue but some people need things spelled out before they can put things together.

Happy?

Reading comprehension FTW indeed

Xbox will miss out on most if not all niche titles. It's just how it is.

@acp_45: wit that logic they were the best gaming system last gen aswell..so ok we are done here lol

@delta3074 said:

@quadknight said:

RROD problems >> DRE problems, a fact written in history despite your tears on SW. Your stupid attempts to deflect the fact that a lot of 360 replacements were due to RROD isn't working.

"bu bu bu bu but I am not a lemming!!"

lol idiot.

Microsofts response to RROD >>>>Sonys response to DRE

Microsoft= 3 year warranty plus all retrospective repair costs reimbursed

SONY='Sony settled its "disc read error" lawsuit by compensating the affected gamers with USD $25, a free game from a specified list, and the reduced cost repair or replacement (at SCEA's discretion) of the damaged system.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

Granted RROD was far worse then DRE in affected units but Microsofts response was light years better.

Even after the lawsuit found SONY liable they claimed DRE was not an issue.

Mind you, you just have to look at the way they treated the public over putting rootkits on there music CD's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

Microsoft and SONY are as bad as each other, don't try to pretend otherwise

You fail at reading comprehension. I'm not arguing about the morality of both companies. They are both greedy companies that want out money, I'm talking about which issue was more widespread. RROD was definitely more widespread than DRE bro.

So we can all agree 2016 bone is on life support then after that its curtains ?

@ProjectPat187: lol your trying hard. Hope you know your failing. You broight dre yea but you also tried to compare it. Even if you didnt that simply mean you dont have a legitimate response for his rrod rant. Aka you fail.

In other words you are another butt hurt Cow that is in your feelings about Sony's PS2 DRE problems?

To be fair the DRE problem wasn't as prevalent as RRoD. All consumer products will have a percentage that fails. But if it's a huge percentage and continues on during the life of the product it's a cause for concern. I don't care what brand one likes.....you shouldn't absolve sloppy development.

Just keep downplaying Xbox has more AAA blockbuster games. Sony does have lots of games but so does my Android phone. That does not make them good.

Throwing around RROD,and DRE? How long ago was that 7, 8 years? What does any of that have to do with the price of tea in China?

This bait thread was started as a support group for Sony fans that know in their hearts there line up is not looking so good, and they are looking over the fence at all that green grass.

@ProjectPat187: yet you cant quote him saying it didnt happend or that there was never a dre prob. Your proving our point when you try to say " im just bringing it up" you would of got slapped by your debate coach if this was a real debate. Dre was a thing. How does it compare to rrod which was factually was a way bigger thing ? Try to actually answer a question this time.

And what the hell do I need to quote him saying? Please explain my butt hurt Sony fan? DRE happened, and yea thats what I brought up, so what else do I have to say? You are the two idiots talking about how big RROD was for god knows what ever reason, I brought up a similar problem Sony had and the Cows started crying in full force, but hey you just doing what Cows do, and thats whine because you are b*tch made.

Don't bother with him, he's a moron. I've given up trying to reason with him, it's like talking to a brick wall.

@quadknight: Says the lame cow in denial, get back to posting your Sony exaggerations, good job...........idiot.

What is hilarious about this thread is that Xbox fans think this is some sort of debate. Or that Sony and Microsoft are two equals battling it, trading blows, and Microsoft come back strong after making Xbox fans 'mad about DRM' with the epic crash and burn reveal.

After Microsoft dumped the first Xbox they released their poorly designed Xbox 360:

* Rushed out the door a year early(a year and a half in Europe) to try to pad their installed base numbers

* 200 dollars cheaper than the PS3

* Million and millions of duplicate Xbox 360s sold due to the RRoD fiasco and myriad other hardware faults

* Feature and graphical parity clauses that Sony let Microsoft get away with forcing third party developers and publishers to sign

All that and Microsoft still came in last place with the Xbox 360.

None of that is true with the PS4 and Xbox One. And it has been known for more than two years now. Anyone still 'shocked' by how badly Sony is destroying Microsoft in sales deserves all the ridicule they are getting.

The Xbox One is bombing in sales just as badly as the first Xbox. Anyone shocked that developers and publishers are not wasting time supporting the failing console deserve the ridicule they are receiving.

Game development isn't charity work for gamers who are dumb enough to invest in a dead platform like the Xbox One. The Xbox One will get the same lack of support from developers and publishers that the first Xbox failed to receive.

Unfortunately for the Xbox One, game developers and publishers don't base their platform support decisions on the absurdly fake sales numbers' on vgchartz made up by the twenty something year old Xbox fan who runs the site from his mom's house.

@gfxpipeline: If this were not a debate, then I suspect you can prove explicitly that "Million and millions of duplicate Xbox 360s sold due to the RRoD fiasco..." Or should we just all bow down to your all-encompassing knowledge?

Obviously some duplicate sales exist. Not sure about the number though and I doubt MS would report them TBH.

@LJS9502_basic: Undoubtedly they exist. I just find the hypocrisy of saying it's not debatable, when it is by it's very nature, rather laughable.

How about something even better?

Console gamers will continue to laugh at how badly the Xbox One is bombing in sales worldwide. And Xbox fans can continue to shocked, SHOCKED, that the Xbox One without the millions and millions of duplicate consoles sold due to the RRoD fiasco is selling almost exactly as badly as the first Xbox.

@gfxpipeline: I'm not one for red-herring fallacies. Stick to the topic as outlined. Can you prove it?

Developers and publishers dumping the Xbox One is a downward spiral that there is no reversing.

The Xbox One is already completely dead in Japan and Europe. Those two of the three major console markets are already written off leaving developers and publishers with bothering to devote resources into supporting Xbox One titles unless they have huge appeal in the US.

Even with the desperation Xbox One price cuts and retail incentives the PS4 continues to easily beat the Xbox One in its only major market it is still alive in.

As the PS4 installed base continues to dwarf the Xbox One's, the ability and willingness of developers and publishers to gimp or downgrade their games for such a small installed base is gone. How to downgrade the PS4 assets and graphics engines is left to 'B teams' or eventually small and cheap outside developers.

Already Xbox fans are facing reality of badly the PS4 is going to destroy the Xbox One in installed base and rationalizing the situation with cries of how bad 'this gen sucks' or 'can't wait for it to be over.' The amount of money Xbox fans are willing to waste on games for a console they themselves see as a loser starts to shrink rapidly. Developers and publishers see the continue drop off of game sales on the Xbox One and further reduce support for the console.

And the downward spiral continues.

Developers and publishers are seeing how badly the Xbox One is bombing in hardware and software sales and asking how much longer before Microsoft dumps the dying console. The Xbox One is selling roughly as badly as the first Xbox marketplace failure where Microsoft abandoned the console.

Even worse for the Xbox One is the days of that dimwit Ballmer are long gone and with him the willingness for Microsoft to continue to throw billions of dollars at failed products like Xbox, Bing, Zune, Windows Phone, etc.

@gfxpipeline: That's quite the post. I take it you can't prove one of your own points then...

My XBox One is purring because I play it so much with so many incredible games. XB1 load is just getting started. Phil says they have exclusive 1st party games for many years to come. Only games XB1 aren't getting are someJapan developed games. Mostly JRPGs and it's because XB1 is doing so badly in Japan. XB1 rwill be getting a lot of PC games next year once Win 10 games start getting released.

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Hhhmmm.. 18 million XB1 gamers doesn't sound like "no one" to me. lmao!! Ignorance is bliss with trolls like you isn't it?

LOL, vgchartz...

What MisterXMedia is for Xbox fans and graphics hardware, ioi at vgchartz is for them with his hilariously fake 'sales numbers'.

You just spoke undeniable facts. I don't know how lemmings even get hurt by people bashing the Xbone... it's not like we're being dishonest. These are true statements all through.