I'm sorry for the most part PC games don't look THAT much better than consoles..

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#251 SPBoss
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Honestly Is this a troll thread? The thing with most console gamers is they usually sit 8+ feet from their tv's, which is why they say 'the pc version and console version look similar' Now with me I have a 50" and sit at 3-4feet from it, both my ps3 and 360 have bad aliasing when your that close, not to mention the overuse of bloom to compensate for bad draw distance and pop-in Only games like gt5 look decent up close, but then they had to sacrifice quality for that high resolution. Even my friends that come around don't even no pc's can play games like that and they are truly amazed and always end up asking me to build them a budget system. Tc you're either lying or blind, its definately one of those
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#253 04dcarraher
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The reason why multiplat games on Pc dont look like Crysis or other games that are Pc native is because those multiplats games were designed around console hardware which is behind the curve. Bumps in resolutions and AA can make these games look 2x better, cleaner and sharper. And depends on the Dev to put the better textures and other effects and objects that were not in the console version. Now TC if you can run Crysis fine but not BF:BC 2 you may have a problem somewhere because on my brother's Pc with a much slower dual core cpu and 8800GT was able to run the game on high without issue at 1280x1024.
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#254 millerlight89
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Most of you are blind.... Read the thread.... Most of you are missing things I said... And its making you look very foolish commenting and you have no idea what you are talking about...vistamanV5
I believe you are the one who does not play games maxed and uses minimal requirements as proof :? Yea, not seeing it.
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#255 vistamanV5
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[QUOTE="vistamanV5"]Most of you are blind.... Read the thread.... Most of you are missing things I said... And its making you look very foolish commenting and you have no idea what you are talking about...millerlight89
I believe you are the one who does not play games maxed and uses minimal requirements as proof :? Yea, not seeing it.

I give up.... PC wins.. :(
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#256 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"]Most of you are blind.... Read the thread.... Most of you are missing things I said... And its making you look very foolish commenting and you have no idea what you are talking about...vistamanV5
I believe you are the one who does not play games maxed and uses minimal requirements as proof :? Yea, not seeing it.

I give up.... PC wins.. :(

Ok, i will apologize if you provide a proof that you own a gaming PC.
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#257 vistamanV5
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] I believe you are the one who does not play games maxed and uses minimal requirements as proof :? Yea, not seeing it.

I give up.... PC wins.. :(

give me sec ill post pics of my setup.. Ok, i will apologize if you provide a proof that you own a gaming PC.

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#258 vistamanV5
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how do i post a pic on here?
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#259 SPBoss
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] I believe you are the one who does not play games maxed and uses minimal requirements as proof :? Yea, not seeing it.

I give up.... PC wins.. :(

Ok, i will apologize if you provide a proof that you own a gaming PC.

lool, honestly vistaman I dont think you have a high end gaming pc, or even mid end at that :P Btw I hope 'vistaman' doesn't mean your using windows vista because thats worse than xp.
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#260 GeneralShowzer
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how do i post a pic on here?vistamanV5
New message -> Insert/Edit image.
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#261 SPBoss
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[QUOTE="vistamanV5"]how do i post a pic on here?GeneralShowzer
New message -> Insert/Edit image.

Going to find out the image is linked to google images.. lol :P
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#262 GeneralShowzer
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I have to go soon....

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#263 millerlight89
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"]Most of you are blind.... Read the thread.... Most of you are missing things I said... And its making you look very foolish commenting and you have no idea what you are talking about...vistamanV5
I believe you are the one who does not play games maxed and uses minimal requirements as proof :? Yea, not seeing it.

I give up.... PC wins.. :(

I could have told you that. It always does in SW. There as yet to be a thread that debunks the PC. I mean what do you expect when you come in here while play on a pretty outdated PC, not playing on max. On top of that, you back up your arguments with minimal graphics requirements. Did you really think that would work?
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#264 Teuf_
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I've noticed differences in size of RAM usage.

Maybe I used a bad comparison. Games using the same exact resolution textures will look worse on the 360 even when playing at 1280x720 on the PC.

It's like someone smeared Vaselineall over it.

Hakkai007



How exactly do you know that the PC version is using the same size texture? It's not something you can just eyeball. And there's no possible way you can know the RAM footprint.

Besides it's much more likely that lower quality texture filtering is causing your perceived bluriness.


So I don't mean the file size as you view in from the disc but size in how much ram each texture would take.
Hakkai007


I know. That's what I was talking about.

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#265 Teuf_
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Also some games do use png format for textures.

Hakkai007



PNG is an image file format, it has nothing to do with how a texture is stored in memory at runtime. A GPU can't decode PNG data in runtime...it can only decode a small set of block-compressed formats so that's how they stored in memory. Most games will compress to DXT in advance to cut loading times, since it's a time-consuming operation. But a game that can be modded will often accept common image file formats (PNG, JPG, TGA) and then decode to RGBA and compress to DXT (or not compress at all) at runtime.

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#266 GeneralShowzer
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That proof is not gonna happen isn't it. Teh proof is a lie.
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#268 SPBoss
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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

I've noticed differences in size of RAM usage.

Maybe I used a bad comparison. Games using the same exact resolution textures will look worse on the 360 even when playing at 1280x720 on the PC.

It's like someone smeared Vaselineall over it.

Teufelhuhn



How exactly do you know that the PC version is using the same size texture? It's not something you can just eyeball. And there's no possible way you can know the RAM footprint.

Besides it's much more likely that lower quality texture filtering is causing your perceived bluriness.


So I don't mean the file size as you view in from the disc but size in how much ram each texture would take.
Hakkai007


I know. That's what I was talking about.

On evga precision it tells me how much gpu video ram and system ram I am using.. Isn't that the ram footprint? :S

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#269 vistamanV5
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http://s1185.photobucket.com/albums/z348/Vistaman89/

I couldnt figure out how to shrink the pics enough to post them on the website... So i started a photobucket... If u want some more pics ask... But it will be a min im on my cell phone now... at the store...

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#270 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Also some games do use png format for textures.

Teufelhuhn



PNG is an image file format, it has nothing to do with how a texture is stored in memory at runtime. A GPU can't decode PNG data in runtime...it can only decode a small set of block-compressed formats so that's how they stored in memory. Most games will compress to DXT in advance to cut loading times, since it's a time-consuming operation. But a game that can be modded will often accept common image file formats (PNG, JPG, TGA) and then decode to RGBA and compress to DXT (or not compress at all) at runtime.

Yep, the image files arent representative of the displayed texture quality or resolution. However you can eyeball that the textures generally look low resolution or crappy and not made to take advantage of PC capabilities. An example of this is Mass Effect 2, ive been playing it max and all on 1080p and some of the textures just look like atrocious low res crap.

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#271 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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http://s1185.photobucket.com/albums/z348/Vistaman89/

I couldnt figure out how to shrink the pics enough to post them on the website... So i started a photobucket... If u want some more pics ask... But it will be a min im on my cell phone now... at the store...

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I like your lamp.
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#272 GeneralShowzer
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http://s1185.photobucket.com/albums/z348/Vistaman89/

I couldnt figure out how to shrink the pics enough to post them on the website... So i started a photobucket... If u want some more pics ask... But it will be a min im on my cell phone now... at the store...

vistamanV5
Ok, i apologize. I would ask you to put proof that you've played Crysis maxed out with mods, but i don't have time right now.
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#273 vistamanV5
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"]

http://s1185.photobucket.com/albums/z348/Vistaman89/

I couldnt figure out how to shrink the pics enough to post them on the website... So i started a photobucket... If u want some more pics ask... But it will be a min im on my cell phone now... at the store...

I like your lamp.

Lol, my mom bought that for me...
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#274 lowe0
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Why do "I'm not impressed with the PC" threads boil down to "you must be lying about owning a PC?"
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#275 GeneralShowzer
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Why do "I'm not impressed with the PC" threads boil down to "you must be lying about owning a PC?" lowe0
Because he was very inconsistent. He said that he ran Crysis moded maxed, but couldn't run BC2 on low. He started posting system requirements as proof, and you gotta love those " I played it at a friends house". Didn't look legit at all.
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#276 jedikevin2
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Why do "I'm not impressed with the PC" threads boil down to "you must be lying about owning a PC?" lowe0
That is so true but in the end, this thread is LOL.. TC has been proven that his argument just doesn't have the tangible objectiveness to throw out such a General statement like he did... Needless to say, after people demonstrated this over and over and even the TC recognized it.... it still turned into lolness for pages.
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#277 Hakkai007
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How exactly do you know that the PC version is using the same size texture? It's not something you can just eyeball. And there's no possible way you can know the RAM footprint.

Besides it's much more likely that lower quality texture filtering is causing your perceived bluriness.

Teufelhuhn

There is a way to view the console texture size and RAM footprint.

But it involves something that is not quite legal so I will refrain from speaking of it here.

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#278 millerlight89
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http://s1185.photobucket.com/albums/z348/Vistaman89/

I couldnt figure out how to shrink the pics enough to post them on the website... So i started a photobucket... If u want some more pics ask... But it will be a min im on my cell phone now... at the store...

vistamanV5
I may not agree with your statements, nor your proof behind such said statements. However, that lamp is kick ass and Micky rules!
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#279 Teuf_
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On evga precision it tells me how much gpu video ram and system ram I am using.. Isn't that the ram footprint? :S

SPBoss

I meant the footprint of a single texture.

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#280 demonic_85
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There are some games that are so demanding that current consoles could not run them at all. Crysis would be one of them, but another thing to consider is that its 3 yrs old now and ran on DirectX 9. Newer games like Metro 2033, Battlefield Bad Company 2, and DiRt 2 are capable of running DX 11 and look far better than console games. Another game to take a look at is Arma II which is very resource intensive.

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#281 SPBoss
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[QUOTE="SPBoss"]

On evga precision it tells me how much gpu video ram and system ram I am using.. Isn't that the ram footprint? :S

Teufelhuhn

I meant the footprint of a single texture.

lol my bad
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#282 vistamanV5
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"]

http://s1185.photobucket.com/albums/z348/Vistaman89/

I couldnt figure out how to shrink the pics enough to post them on the website... So i started a photobucket... If u want some more pics ask... But it will be a min im on my cell phone now... at the store...

I may not agree with your statements, nor your proof behind such said statements. However, that lamp is kick ass and Micky rules!

Lol, thanks... I guess...
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#283 lamprey263
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I think many PC gamers out there who don't have top notch PCs brag too much for all the ones that do, they also seem more preoccupied with graphics and don't seem to care much that games can be equally fun on consoles.
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#284 lpjazzman220
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sooo...games built for consoles...that are ported to pc dont look amazingly better then the console versions...ummm...[insert logic]...u cant make a game that will work on a console and make it use the same engine and use all of the same features for the most part and have it run on both...people just wont put the development time into it...most games are just straight ports with aa added and some higher resolutions or somethin...(this is all on a usually happens this way basis)...until crysis 2 comes out...i doubt this will change...especially since consoles dont get better and developers dont want to spend the money and time to make the pc version thaaat much better...compare exclusives if u want graphic comparision...usually pc version looks slightly better for multiplats..but exclusives really show the difference...and the only exception to this rule...metro 2033..max that and then play it on 360...u tell me which looks better...

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#285 xYamatox
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No TC, just no...

PC's, for all intents and purposes, are a whole gen ahead of consoles...

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#286 SPBoss
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No TC, just no...

PC's, for all intents and purposes, are a whole gen ahead of consoles...

xYamatox
A 'whole gen' is really pushing it.. consoles are 7800gtx era, then came the 8800, then the 200 series.. now the new 5 series.. I would say at least two gens behind :P Cgi graphics are already being done in real time, tesselation will change games when used properly. Look at nvidia's latest demo's on the 580.. says it all really
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#287 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

No TC, just no...

PC's, for all intents and purposes, are a whole gen ahead of consoles...

SPBoss

A 'whole gen' is really pushing it.. consoles are 7800gtx era, then came the 8800, then the 200 series.. now the new 5 series.. I would say at least two gens behind :P Cgi graphics are already being done in real time, tesselation will change games when used properly. Look at nvidia's latest demo's on the 580.. says it all really

It is VERY late/early for me at this time (6:30am with no sleep). I swear I just read that you said PC's are 2 gens behind consoles....

If this is true, you sir have created many lulz for anyone reading this thread. There is nothing on consoles that look anywhere as good as Crysis maxed out (even unmodded), and I am a huge Killzone fan.

Now, if I misunderstood your post, I apologize. If I'm correct in my assumption however, then :lol:

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#288 SPBoss
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Sorry, I meant consoles are at least two gens behind. you know thats a fact :P 1600p is one gen ahead, tesselation and cgi graphics is another jump forward ;)
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#289 Filthybastrd
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Lets take another multiplat where the devs did nothing to take advantage of the PC:

VS

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Meh, If that proved anything it's that ME2 is'nt really a pretty game at all.

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#290 xYamatox
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Sorry, I meant consoles are at least two gens behind. you know thats a fact :P 1600p is one gen ahead, tesselation and cgi graphics is another jump forward ;)SPBoss

The world makes sense again. :)

I personally cannot wait to get my gaming PC. My eye has been fixed on Stalker for a few years now, and I can't wait any longer (now that my 360 finally RRoD'd after a few years). Looking to make an $800 rig (tower + OS alone).

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#291 mitu123
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Lets take another multiplat where the devs did nothing to take advantage of the PC:

VS

Meh, If that proved anything it's that ME2 is'nt really a pretty game at all.

Filthybastrd

My screens look better than that.D=

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#293 Hakkai007
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Do I really need to show Dragon Age again?

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Also Here is a comparison of Mass Effect 2. I am sure you can tell which is the PC and which is the 360.

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And here is a random ME 2 screenshot I took.

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And here is a Just Cause 2 screenshot I took.

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#294 mitu123
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Er Hakkai007, I would rather use PNG files, jpg has noticeably worse quality.

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#295 Hakkai007
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Er Hakkai007, I would rather use PNG files, jpg has noticeably worse quality.

mitu123

There is no difference in quality if you capture the screenshot as a PNG file then convert it to JPG with photoshop keeping the quality at 10.

I compared pixel by pixel and there was absolutely no difference.

The file size is many times smaller too so I am sticking with JPG as there is no difference.

.....Unless you capture the screenshot using fraps set to jpg or saved the screenshot as a jpg using windows paint.

Stick with photoshop and you won't have this problem. Heck even GIMP should work.

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#296 streetridaz
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I think your lying about alot of things.

Why would someone lie on a video game forum to make himself feel better about his choice of gaming system? TC must be very bored if that's so.

People do it alot. It seems odd that he can run crysis at max, but bc2 runs like crap.

Yeah because my 8800gt would play crysis on high no AA and my 8800gt played BFBC2 single player completely maxed out.
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#297 hd5870corei7
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Digital Found RE5 PC vs 360

Boy oh boy guys. Its like.... two COMPLETELY different games! Anyone want to join me for an Xbox burning party? I just cannot get over the difference there.

h575309
LOL! That's 360 version vs PC version in 720p no AA and no AF settings, and you KNOW THAT. Now, put the PC in 1080p and 8 X AA and 16 X AF and we'll see how the PC version is a gen ahead, LOL.
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#298 MIYAMOTOnext007
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custom crysis

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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Do I really need to show Dragon Age again?

What mods are you running for DA?
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#300 psn8214
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Meh, If that proved anything it's that ME2 is'nt really a pretty game at all.

Filthybastrd

You lie. :x

... but seriously, my screens looked better than that. Plus Mass Effect's artstyIe and universe just look incredible. The PC version was amazing.