inExile takes a jab at Bioware in Wasteland 2 doc.

gain? Like a [spoiler] drone? [/spoiler]
Nope dude, it's you who is showing the first signs of a drone. And based on your other posts, I would say that you are Obsidiandrone at that. :(

SciFiRPGfan

At least we have good games. You have a colorbook.

and look who can't even refute me?texasgoldrush

I don't refute idiots. I just laugh at them. :)

hahahahahha

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] NV is exempt, I suppose, simply because Obsidian is in on the document.FrozenLiquid

I didn't even realize that Obsidian was working on this. I'm not as big of a fan of theirs as Slashless is but New Vegas was awesome and one of the very true RPGs this gen

Slashless, get me up to speed with what texasgoldrush likes and dislikes? Could never pinpoint it lolFrozenLiquid

Likes:Terrible Games

Dislikes: Great games.

With a few exceptions, at least he dislikes one of Bioware's many sh*tty games: Dragon Age.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Slashless, get me up to speed with what texasgoldrush likes and dislikes? Could never pinpoint it lolSlashless

Likes:Terrible Games

Dislikes: Great games.

Slashless, get me up to speed with what texasgoldrush likes and dislikes? Could never pinpoint it lolFrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Slashless, get me up to speed with what texasgoldrush likes and dislikes? Could never pinpoint it loltexasgoldrush

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I didn't even realize that Obsidian was working on this. I'm not as big of a fan of theirs as Slashless is but New Vegas was awesome and one of the very true RPGs this gen

savagetwinkie

New Vegas:

Meaningful Choices that are morally gray and have actual consequences

Factions that arent simply just "good guy and bad guys"

More open ended gamplay

Stats and Character builds that are more meaningful

Environments and settlements that are actually logical instead of an amusement park of post apocalyptic cliches.

better writing

Fallout 3:

Teddy Bear Launchers

Level Scaling

Transformers

An annoying disc jockey with magical powers allowing him to sleep and still do a radio show.

I don't know where Kandlegoat ame from.

But I love him. :3

And I hope Wasteland 2 does well and it doesnt get pirated to sh*t.

It will show the industry that there's still a demand for more traditional type RPGs which would result in similar minded projects getting kickstarted/made.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] What's GODsidian(>Bioware) doing on this game, again? Is it primarily Avellone's writing?GD1551

That goodness, because the game would be a buggy inferior mess if it were.

I don't know where Kandlegoat ame from.

But I love him. :3

Slashless

<3

And I hope Wasteland 2 does well and it doesnt get pirated to sh*t.

It will show the industry that there's still a demand for more traditional type RPGs which would result in similar minded projects getting kickstarted/made.

Kandlegoat

If it's amazing, then it's going to be respected even by the pirate community who'll damn and insult those who download it. TW2 pretty much proved that. Treat gamers like gamers, instead of idiots who want to be milked, and they'll give you the support you need.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Slashless, get me up to speed with what texasgoldrush likes and dislikes? Could never pinpoint it lolFrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] The obsidian guys are going to help out with the quest narratives and a few other minor things but the huge majority if the game will be made by InExile under the supervision of Brian Fargo. They said multiple times in their forums that it´s a game fully developed by InExile and not obsidian.smerlus

That goodness, because the game would be a buggy inferior mess if it were.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

Dragon Age: Origins has basically everything they said modern rpgs were missing.

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] I haven't played New Vegas, partly coz I don't have time, partly coz Fallout 3 was boring. I keep hearing it's awesome, though, from people who knew what RPGs were like before this generation. You might have just tipped me over the cliff to purchase it :PKandlegoat

New Vegas:

Meaningful Choices that are morally gray and have actual consequences

Factions that arent simply just "good guy and bad guys"

More open ended gamplay

Stats and Character builds that are more meaningful

Environments and settlements that are actually logical instead of an amusement park of post apocalyptic cliches.

better writing

Fallout 3:

Teddy Bear Launchers

Level Scaling

Transformers

An annoying disc jockey with magical powers allowing him to sleep and still do a radio show.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

Dragon Age: Origins has basically everything they said modern rpgs were missing.

texasgoldrush

Caesar's Legion is pretty much pure evil. They're sexist, slave owners, and openly murder people for not following them and their rules. The other choices are kinda hard to choose, but there's really nothing redeaming about Caesar. And Three Dog is pretty cool, definitely more fun than Mr. New Vegas. I agree that New Vegas is much better though.

cain006

While I agree Caesar is pretty much a full on representation of evil, this evil stems from the fact they're faction is primarily based off of old Roman texts where similar practices were performed. And I also like the fact that the NCR isn't just a "good" faction, they've done many terrible things in the past (killing innocent kids/women) and then bash Caesar for doing the same (enslaving innocent kids/women). They're also power hungry and can't stand not having it 100% their way... like Caesar's Legion.

Much better than Fallout 3's "BROTHERHOOD GOOD. ENCOLAVE BAAAAD" :P

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

That goodness, because the game would be a buggy inferior mess if it were.

texasgoldrush

Hypocrite much? smerlus

>Consistency and accuracy

>Texasgoldrush responses

Pick one.

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] I don't get where they are coming with this mentality, it felt similar to playing fo3, the story may have been better but due to the desert the gameplay crawled along dieing under a hot sun.cain006

New Vegas:

Meaningful Choices that are morally gray and have actual consequences

Factions that arent simply just "good guy and bad guys"

More open ended gamplay

Stats and Character builds that are more meaningful

Environments and settlements that are actually logical instead of an amusement park of post apocalyptic cliches.

better writing

Fallout 3:

Teddy Bear Launchers

Level Scaling

Transformers

An annoying disc jockey with magical powers allowing him to sleep and still do a radio show.

Sure, it would be a wake up call for them. Never did I ever say Wasteland 2 would be a commercial success, especially when it's targeting what is increasingly a niche genre. Bioware and Bethesda have ditched RPG roots for big money (one goes third person shooter, the other includes dragons), so obviously it would be incredibly stupid for me to say it's a wake up call if the game is a commercial success.

No, I didn't mean, nor will I ever mean it's a wake up call depending on the success of the product. It's a wake up call simply because there are developers making a full-blooded role-playing game, and not only that, people have paid money to have them develop it.FrozenLiquid

Like I said, they don't have to say on the back of the box 'the mother of all roleplaying games'. Don't straw man the argument here. Look at the way Bioware treated SW:TOR like it was the second coming. Look at their videos on Mass Effect 3. Look at how Bethesda described Skryim, pretending to acknowledge the faults of Oblivion but at the same time working on its action-adventure template and saying it's better than anything they've ever done. Now if Bioware don't call their games RPGs anymore, my point is invalid. And in that case, you probably shouldn't even care about it anymore, because if it isn't Bioware's concern about making RPGs anymore, it's probably not yours either.

But then you make a blunder and start saying '...but we really don't know what a RPG is, it could mean anything'. I'm sorry? You said Bioware had the balls to stop calling their games RPGs, and now you want to obscure what constitutes a RPG? Quite spineless of you, Mr. SciFI RPG fan.

Yes, yes, Mass Effect 2 is a better game than Mass Effect 1. But it ditches many RPG conventions. I'm not talking about what is a better game. I'm talking about making the better RPG.

The more I go down your argument the more I see you frame it as a commercial success argument. It's not about commercial success. I really doubt Wasteland 2 will sell more than Mass Effect or an Elder Scrolls game. Like I said, if my argument was based on commercial success, I would have been an idiot.

Lucky for me, it isn't. So go back and do your homework to see what my argument is about.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

New Vegas:

Meaningful Choices that are morally gray and have actual consequences

Factions that arent simply just "good guy and bad guys"

More open ended gamplay

Stats and Character builds that are more meaningful

Environments and settlements that are actually logical instead of an amusement park of post apocalyptic cliches.

better writing

Fallout 3:

Teddy Bear Launchers

Level Scaling

Transformers

An annoying disc jockey with magical powers allowing him to sleep and still do a radio show.

smerlus

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="cain006"]

Dragon Age: Origins has basically everything they said modern rpgs were missing.

smerlus

meaning that if the next BioWare/Bethesda game came out and seemed watered down in comparisonsmerlus

Well they already seem watered down compared to other RPGs, especially New Vegas.

Caesar's Legion is against corruption which actually made me almost respect them if it wasn't for the rape and pillage part. They do have certain morals that the other factions lacked but it's hard to get over their actions. Talking to some of the merchants on how the Legion was protecting them against bandits while the NCR was just worried about protecting themselves was also honorable but...smerlus

Honestly, the NCR is just a parallel of Caesar's Legion, save the fact Caesar's Legion is outspoken about what they are/what they stand for while NCR blinds the people into thinkintg they're the "good" guys when honestly they're just as power hungry and can do just as bad as Ceasar's Legion. Caesar's Legion flips you off. NCR buys you a candybar then punches your dog. :P

I would've done more Caesar playthroughs if it wasn't for the fact that Boone doesn't like me when I do. :P

[QUOTE="smerlus"]meaning that if the next BioWare/Bethesda game came out and seemed watered down in comparisonChubbyGuy40

Well they already seem watered down compared to other RPGs, especially New Vegas.

Likes:Terrible Games

Dislikes: Great games.

With a few exceptions, at least he dislikes one of Bioware's many sh*tty games: Dragon Age.

Slashless

shuddup champ

get off my nuts, get onto your wi- er, fiance's.

[QUOTE="smerlus"] Caesar's Legion is against corruption which actually made me almost respect them if it wasn't for the rape and pillage part. They do have certain morals that the other factions lacked but it's hard to get over their actions. Talking to some of the merchants on how the Legion was protecting them against bandits while the NCR was just worried about protecting themselves was also honorable but...Slashless

Honestly, the NCR is just a parallel of Caesar's Legion, save the fact Caesar's Legion is outspoken about what they are/what they stand for while NCR blinds the people into thinkintg they're the "good" guys when honestly they're just as power hungry and can do just as bad as Ceasar's Legion. Caesar's Legion flips you off. NCR buys you a candybar then punches your dog. :P

I would've done more Caesar playthroughs if it wasn't for the fact that Boone doesn't like me when I do. :P

But yeah...Boone's feelings towards them always stopped me from going that route.

(stuff)

SciFiRPGfan

shuddup champ

get off my nuts, get onto your wi- er, fiance's.

Slashless

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

shuddup champ

get off my nuts, get onto your wi- er, fiance's.

jg4xchamp

It's a compliment. You should cherish it for an eternity. Lord knows you'll never be deserving of another one. jg4xchamp

Until then good luck watching Whor-er- Thor.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Slashless"]

shuddup champ

get off my nuts, get onto your wi- er, fiance's.

FrozenLiquid