Intel & Nvidia has something to say to all Console Fans

Can't wait for a new console in 2010. Gonna be awesome.Truth_Hurts_U

It will be outdated before it even comes out

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]Can't wait for a new console in 2010. Gonna be awesome.Painballz

It will be outdated before it even comes out

Nah, since when they start devloping new hardware they use the 18 month rule.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]Can't wait for a new console in 2010. Gonna be awesome.Painballz

It will be outdated before it even comes out

Not really when 360 came out it was pretty powerful machine, it didn't take long to be left in the dust though.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]Can't wait for a new console in 2010. Gonna be awesome.Truth_Hurts_U

It will be outdated before it even comes out

Nah, since when they start devloping new hardware they use the 18 month rule.

Nope, when the 360 came out, the X1900XTX was already out and it beats the 360's GPU by alot

Do some research

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

130,000 players online for a game that sold 7 million copies is really low, and PC players play more than just COD 4 and Halo 3. We have a vast library of games to play online, where as consoles when ever a new game comes them abandon it, when Gears 2 comes out expect Halo 3's online numbers to drop by more than halfPandaBear86

I agree. With consoles, as soon as Hot Game #2 comes out, everybody stops playing Hot Game #1 to switch to #2. With PC games, people can play old games online for ages. Diablo 2 came out in 2000, yet there are heaps of people playing it today. I still play this game (online and offline) nowdays as well! :D

I'm playing Mortal Kombat 3 over XBL, its going on...13 years since its release.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

130,000 players online for a game that sold 7 million copies is really low, and PC players play more than just COD 4 and Halo 3. We have a vast library of games to play online, where as consoles when ever a new game comes them abandon it, when Gears 2 comes out expect Halo 3's online numbers to drop by more than halfPro_wrestler

I agree. With consoles, as soon as Hot Game #2 comes out, everybody stops playing Hot Game #1 to switch to #2. With PC games, people can play old games online for ages. Diablo 2 came out in 2000, yet there are heaps of people playing it today. I still play this game (online and offline) nowdays as well! :D

I'm playing Mortal Kombat 3 over XBL, its going on...13 years since its release.

I agree with that... but it wasn't on the 360 for 13 years. And if another fighting game comes to rival it, it could possibly lose some numbers. Either way, the online community for Diablo 2 would be much larger to that of MK3.

And your sig is hilarious :lol: I love tomshardware :)

Nope, when the 360 came out, the X1900XTX was already out and it beats the 360's GPU by alot

Do some research

Painballz

Nah, I think you should.

That card was released 2 months after the 360.

From 2005-2010 hardware will increase in power 8 times. Which they are developing tech for that moment in time.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="imelitenow"]

innovation=gears of war, GTA4, Crash Bandicoot... the list goes on and on

the main point is that innovation are waht consles are here for.

imelitenow

what was the inovation in GEOW again?

or any of those games really...cause I cant see it.

when I here inovation...I think about games like Spore.

Why spore?

GEOW was one of the best experiance I had this gen, and it was on the 360 first.

yeah, and that doesnt make it inovative in the least bit.

Spore is inovative because its something thats simply never been seen before.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Nope, when the 360 came out, the X1900XTX was already out and it beats the 360's GPU by alot

Do some research

Truth_Hurts_U

Nah, I think you should.

That card was released 2 months after the 360.

From 2005-2010 hardware will increase in power 8 times. Which they are developing tech for that moment in time.

Dude, consoles were outdated before they came out, it all ways been this way

I agree with that... but it wasn't on the 360 for 13 years. And if another fighting game comes to rival it, it could possibly lose some numbers. Either way, the online community for Diablo 2 would be much larger to that of MK3.

And your sig is hilarious :lol: I love tomshardware :)

PandaBear86

Nope, it wasn't on 360 13 years ago, but it was on consoles 13 years ago and its still on consoles 13 years later. You didn't draw your specifics to any individual console. Still, that has nothing to do with the fact that your generalization isn't true. There are hundreds of other fighters I could be playing other than MK3. And there are more people playing Diablo 2 than MK3 right now? Proof? Even if I agree, I still proved your original statement wrong.

Yes, |-_-| is just another pretend PC gamer.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

I agree with that... but it wasn't on the 360 for 13 years. And if another fighting game comes to rival it, it could possibly lose some numbers. Either way, the online community for Diablo 2 would be much larger to that of MK3.

And your sig is hilarious :lol: I love tomshardware :)

Pro_wrestler

Nope, it wasn't on 360 13 years ago, but it was on consoles 13 years ago and its still on consoles 13 years later. You didn't draw your specifics to any individual console. Still, that has nothing to do with the fact that your generalization isn't true. There are hundreds of other fighters I could be playing other than MK3. And there are more people playing Diablo 2 than MK3 right now? Proof? Even if I agree, I still proved your original statement wrong.

Yes, |-_-| is just another pretend PC gamer.

Ummm....Diablo 2 has a massive online community...of course their are more people playing it....

of course their are more people playing it....

cobrax25

Proof?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

Yet, no one plays it anymore

Deihmos

According to Bungie.net there are 130,000 online right now. The only PC shooter that can get that amount of players online at the same time is CS 1.6 and that's rare.

Even WoW?

Talking about shooters.

Yeah, sorry... The Witcher is really a nice shooter or is it?

Where did I mention Witcher? You seriously need to read.

You didnt mentionned Witcher, but this whole argument started with Crysis and Witcher selling stats... and then you went on with shooter games... wondering why your cuting it too shooters only... but i'm sure TF2 does pretty well for PC.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

of course their are more people playing it....

Pro_wrestler

Proof?

are you kidding me?

just log on to Diablo 2...there are still 1000's of people playing at any time.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

of course their are more people playing it....

Pro_wrestler

Proof?

Its hard to show any numbers, but Xfire did say it is one of the most widely played PC games online last time I visited the website a few weeks ago. The game still sells many units, there are many fansites for it, and when I log int there are hundreds of peope online on one server. I would question if Mortal Kombat 3 can match this.

are you kidding me?

just log on to Diablo 2...there are still 1000's of people playing at any time.

cobrax25

"And there are more people playing Diablo 2 than MK3 right now? Proof?" -Me

That aint proof of his original statement. Thats just proving that there are thousands playing Diablo, which I didn't deny in the first place. Not that I care though.

That's cool and all, but I still like my Wii better than any PC games I played. Good for Intel and Nvidia to speak out and say that console gaming is weaksauce. It doesn't matter what they say, it's what the gamers say.

That's cool and all, but I still like my Wii better than any PC games I played. Good for Intel and Nvidia to speak out and say that console gaming is weaksauce. It doesn't matter what they say, it's what the gamers say.

tobenator

Your a casual, so I understand

Nvidia was the reason Xbox tanked early. And if i'm not mistaken, Xbox also used Intel Pentium 3 based processors.Pro_wrestler

I think the Xbox used a customised 733mhz Celeron.

And what exactly did nVidia do to shorten the lifespan of the Xbox? That graphics card did not overheat like the Xenon in the 360 :(

[QUOTE="tobenator"]

That's cool and all, but I still like my Wii better than any PC games I played. Good for Intel and Nvidia to speak out and say that console gaming is weaksauce. It doesn't matter what they say, it's what the gamers say.

Painballz

Your a casual, so I understand

I honestly think the TC hates consoles more than HitlerDeathScape666

[QUOTE="doobie1975"]thanks for your weekly pc is best thread.scoobiesnackarf

Weekly? Ha! I wish. Try more like, hourly...

AR

Well shoot, as others have said, I will now go out and sell my PS3, 360, Wii, DS, PSP, and all of the games I have for them. Seriously Paint, do you ever ever just get tired of being such a fan boy? Its getting somewhat ridiculous now...

AR

scoobiesnackarf

Yeah, Like there aren't 100,000 posts a day about which console is better, or how consoles are better and cheaper then PC.

Gaming consoles are just like any other tech. They become obsolete very quickly. All the advancement that goes on in PCs is unnecessary for the average consumer. I'm still running an AMD 2000+ with 266FSB and a 4x AGP 7600GS. My next upgrade will be Motherboard/CPU/RAM, and I will be sticking with the 7600gs! Sure, PCs are the "bleeding edge" of computer gaming. If I were filthy stinking rich, I would spend that TEN GRAND on a pewter JUST to play Crysis. I am not rich though, and it's a pirates life for me! YAR!Sushimaster

Do you own all 3 consoles? If you do, you can most certainly afford a gaming PC. And if you don't you are severly limiting yourself to a very small range of games.

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

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Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

Painballz

I don't really care what intel has to say. You FAIL to realise that intel does not make games but the processsors that run them. PC gaming is failing cause all of you fools spend WAY to much money to make a sweet rigg that is outdated in 3 months and then pirates software.

So of course intel would say they are going to continue developing for PC cause they make their money regardless of software sales. But until people stop pirating PC games, the platform will only continue to wither away.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

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Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

APOLLOCJD

I don't really care what intel has to say. You FAIL to realise that intel does not make games but the processsors that run them. PC gaming is failing cause all of you fools spend WAY to much money to make a sweet rigg that is outdated in 3 months and then pirates software.

So of course intel would say they are going to continue developing for PC cause they make their money regardless of software sales. But until people stop pirating PC games, the platform will only continue to wither away.

It's withering away??? Thats news to me! :roll:

Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.Hellsing2o2

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

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Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

APOLLOCJD

I don't really care what intel has to say. You FAIL to realise that intel does not make games but the processsors that run them. PC gaming is failing cause all of you fools spend WAY to much money to make a sweet rigg that is outdated in 3 months and then pirates software.

So of course intel would say they are going to continue developing for PC cause they make their money regardless of software sales. But until people stop pirating PC games, the platform will only continue to wither away.

As if intel only thinks about gamers, there biggest market is mainstream... people like you who goes on forums.

And don't get starting on pirating games... just look at Nintend DS.

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.robflores370

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

Any gamer will buy a good game for whatever system.

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.robflores370

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

How much more exactly? Games still sell ****LOADS on PC (Crysis sold WELL over 1 million) It shouldn't matter what damn platform they make it on, They should base the whole game on PC, and then put that on consoles, but of course they would have to massively downgrade it. They should still make it for PC first. I don't think PC gamers should get the short end of the stick just because of crappy super restricted consoles. It never made any sence to me how rockstar made SA on PS2 first and just ported that crappy looking game to the much more powerful platforms.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.Hellsing2o2

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

How much more exactly? Games still sell ****LOADS on PC (Crysis sold WELL over 1 million) It shouldn't matter what damn platform they make it on, They should base the whole game on PC, and then put that on consoles, but of course they would have to massively downgrade it. They should still make it for PC first. I don't think PC gamers should get the short end of the stick just because of crappy super restricted consoles. It never made any sence to me how rockstar made SA on PS2 first and just ported that crappy looking game to the much more powerful platforms.

well over one million....whoopee....out of a supposed 263 million user base?...pretty pathetic, that's why crytek is moving on to consoles, because that's where the money is at.

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.robflores370

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

How much more exactly? Games still sell ****LOADS on PC (Crysis sold WELL over 1 million) It shouldn't matter what damn platform they make it on, They should base the whole game on PC, and then put that on consoles, but of course they would have to massively downgrade it. They should still make it for PC first. I don't think PC gamers should get the short end of the stick just because of crappy super restricted consoles. It never made any sence to me how rockstar made SA on PS2 first and just ported that crappy looking game to the much more powerful platforms.

well over one million....whoopee....out of a supposed 263 million user base?...pretty pathetic, that's why crytek is moving on to consoles, because that's where the money is at.

Thats a hell of a lot considering the games requierments.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.Bebi_vegeta

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

Any gamer will buy a good game for whatever system.

Exactly.

Are you that insecure about the PC that every thread you make has to either praise the PC or bash consoles? You play your games, let console gamers play theirs.SpruceCaboose

This is system wars. Just because there is no denying the fact that PC is technically far superior to any console doesn't mean Hermits don't have a right to bring it up like you console fanboys are constantly doing. And of course what Nvidia and Intel have said in that interview is completely true, all the innovation is done on PC, everything consoles are doing PC did years ago.

[QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.Hellsing2o2

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

How much more exactly? Games still sell ****LOADS on PC (Crysis sold WELL over 1 million) It shouldn't matter what damn platform they make it on, They should base the whole game on PC, and then put that on consoles, but of course they would have to massively downgrade it. They should still make it for PC first. I don't think PC gamers should get the short end of the stick just because of crappy super restricted consoles. It never made any sence to me how rockstar made SA on PS2 first and just ported that crappy looking game to the much more powerful platforms.

well over one million....whoopee....out of a supposed 263 million user base?...pretty pathetic, that's why crytek is moving on to consoles, because that's where the money is at.

Thats a hell of a lot considering the games requierments.

maybe so, but I'm sure they expected to sell alot more considering the hype that surrounded it.

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.robflores370

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

How much more exactly? Games still sell ****LOADS on PC (Crysis sold WELL over 1 million) It shouldn't matter what damn platform they make it on, They should base the whole game on PC, and then put that on consoles, but of course they would have to massively downgrade it. They should still make it for PC first. I don't think PC gamers should get the short end of the stick just because of crappy super restricted consoles. It never made any sence to me how rockstar made SA on PS2 first and just ported that crappy looking game to the much more powerful platforms.

well over one million....whoopee....out of a supposed 263 million user base?...pretty pathetic, that's why crytek is moving on to consoles, because that's where the money is at.

http://www.incrysis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=612

After listening to the Q3 2008 Electronic Arts Earnings Conference Call we have learned that Crysis has been a strong performer with sales having exceeded expectations.

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.robflores370

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

How much more exactly? Games still sell ****LOADS on PC (Crysis sold WELL over 1 million) It shouldn't matter what damn platform they make it on, They should base the whole game on PC, and then put that on consoles, but of course they would have to massively downgrade it. They should still make it for PC first. I don't think PC gamers should get the short end of the stick just because of crappy super restricted consoles. It never made any sence to me how rockstar made SA on PS2 first and just ported that crappy looking game to the much more powerful platforms.

well over one million....whoopee....out of a supposed 263 million user base?...pretty pathetic, that's why crytek is moving on to consoles, because that's where the money is at.

Thats a hell of a lot considering the games requierments.

maybe so, but I'm sure they expected to sell alot more considering the hype that surrounded it.

I have no doubt that Crysis has come close to paying for its self. Crytek did not expect it to sell nearly as well as it has according to what I've heard. They were going to make back the money spent for the development by selling the engine I'm sure.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.Hellsing2o2

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

Any gamer will buy a good game for whatever system.

Exactly.

sure they will, but put the same game on every platform and 9 times out of ten (orange box excluded), they will sell much more on consoles (eg. COD4) Do you honestly think that GTA4 will sell more on the pc than the 360 or PS3?

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]Don't know why Rockstar chooses to work in such crampped conditions on a console. They'd have much more freedom on PC.robflores370

Sure you know why....because it will sell far more on consoles, that's why. Console gamers buy games.

Any gamer will buy a good game for whatever system.

Exactly.

sure they will, but put the same game on every platform and 9 times out of ten (orange box excluded), they will sell much more on consoles (eg. COD4) Do you honestly think that GTA4 will sell more on the pc than the 360 or PS3?

Why wouldn't it? Do you know how big the GTA moding community is? GTA3 on PC had multiplayer because of modders.

Good for them and they can take project offset and stick it up there a**. I could care less for such a game. Go take your thousand dollar graphic cards that cost more then all 3 systems put together for just graphics and hope devs will go your way aswell because no one is going to buy those expensive things besides the rich ppl. They make it look like project offset is every gamers dream game, lol. Sorry pal but MGS4, GTA4, GEOW2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, is graphically good enough for me, u can have that lousy game. :Pclintos59

8800 GT is $180 on Newegg and its much more powerful than any console

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Are you that insecure about the PC that every thread you make has to either praise the PC or bash consoles? You play your games, let console gamers play theirs.Mayhem48

This is system wars. Just because there is no denying the fact that PC is technically far superior to any console doesn't mean Hermits don't have a right to bring it up like you console fanboys are constantly doing. And of course what Nvidia and Intel have said in that interview is completely true, all the innovation is done on PC, everything consoles are doing PC did years ago.

Agreed. There are so many hypocrites in System Wars.