Intel & Nvidia has something to say to all Console Fans

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Why wouldn't it? Do you know how big the GTA moding community is? GTA3 on PC had multiplayer because of modders.

robflores370

Not sure how big it is but I doubt its anywhere near the over 11 million copies that gta 3 sold on the ps2....and to think that the pc version would sell anywhere near the projected sales of the console versions is pretty laughable considering its expected to surpass Halo 3 sales which is around 9 million now. And I'm sure R* games know it would probably be pirated to death on the pc.

11million copies on 1 console only... now there 2 consoles, meaning they will be sharing. And then again, I really don't know how reliable are your numbers. Pirated to death... as if your ignored the game was pirated before it was even out for the Xbox360.

Hey don't blame me for mentioning both consoles vs the pc, the orginal argument, if you go back and read it stated that the game should've been made for the pc first and not consoles. So that person started with 1 vs 2. And as far as where I got my numbers, wiki and google. Sure it was pirated on the 360, but you are in denial if you think it wouldnt be pirated far more on the pc.

I never said a word about 2 vs 1...

So is it selling on the X360 even though it's been pirated?!?!?!?! Yes, that's my point.

Maybe you didn't but you sure did jump in the middle of an already established discussion didn't you?...not my fault you didnt read what was going on....Sure its still selling, but to compare pirated xbox 360 games to pc games is laughable....most pc games other than the sims, WOW, and a few rts struggle to hit the million mark, and with a supposed 263 million user base, its pretty pathetic.

Oh please stop reading NPD numbers... Even Crysis reached 1+ million. Let's not even talk about orange box PC killed console...

Struggling reaching 1million... comon man!

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Maybe you didn't but you sure did jump in the middle of an already established discussion didn't you?...not my fault you didnt read what was going on....Sure its still selling, but to compare pirated xbox 360 games to pc games is laughable....most pc games other than the sims, WOW, and a few rts struggle to hit the million mark, and with a supposed 263 million user base, its pretty pathetic.

robflores370

MOst console games struggle to hit the million mark........

oh rly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Consoles

I guess you forgot to read the PC section?

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Maybe you didn't but you sure did jump in the middle of an already established discussion didn't you?...not my fault you didnt read what was going on....Sure its still selling, but to compare pirated xbox 360 games to pc games is laughable....most pc games other than the sims, WOW, and a few rts struggle to hit the million mark, and with a supposed 263 million user base, its pretty pathetic.

robflores370

MOst console games struggle to hit the million mark........

oh rly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Consoles

27 over a million

746 games........

for xbox 360

5 for PS3

480 games....

PS2

Around 150 lost count.. number of games...

3186.

Again I say it.. most console games struggle to get over a million...

[QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Maybe you didn't but you sure did jump in the middle of an already established discussion didn't you?...not my fault you didnt read what was going on....Sure its still selling, but to compare pirated xbox 360 games to pc games is laughable....most pc games other than the sims, WOW, and a few rts struggle to hit the million mark, and with a supposed 263 million user base, its pretty pathetic.

jangojay

MOst console games struggle to hit the million mark........

oh rly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Consoles

27 over a million

746 games........

for xbox 360

5 for PS3

480 games....

PS2

Around 150 lost count.. number of games...

3186.

Again I say it.. most console games struggle to get over a million...

and pc?...hmm left that out huh?

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Maybe you didn't but you sure did jump in the middle of an already established discussion didn't you?...not my fault you didnt read what was going on....Sure its still selling, but to compare pirated xbox 360 games to pc games is laughable....most pc games other than the sims, WOW, and a few rts struggle to hit the million mark, and with a supposed 263 million user base, its pretty pathetic.

robflores370

MOst console games struggle to hit the million mark........

oh rly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Consoles

27 over a million

746 games........

for xbox 360

5 for PS3

480 games....

PS2

Around 150 lost count.. number of games...

3186.

Again I say it.. most console games struggle to get over a million...

and pc?...hmm left that out huh?

?.... I didn't say PC games don't.. I'm saying console games do as well.

I didnt want to keep reading. We already know PCs outperform consoles. Duh. The problem with PCs is they have to run Windows. Im sorry but i dont want some random alert to pop up while im shooting down baddies. CoD4 wasnt suppose to be a graphically intense game, it was suppose to be a fun game. Thats more than i can say about alot of PC games. When your post stated that PCs can outperform the PS3 and 360 3 fold it made me laugh. yeah its true. But unless u have a couple grand and nothing better in your life i dont think 3x the power is worth 10x the price.

I find it funny that while the chip makers want to move towards the Pc gaming market, the actual game makers are getting the hell away. :) what good is a powerful machine without some games? The only games i play on a computer (and a Mac mind you) are RTS games and MMOs. Other than that everything is better on a console. I like having my friends over so we can all shoot each other down in any console shooter via split Screen. I wouldnt want to make my friends bring over their PCs so we can play... When i 1st heard people do that i thought wow, they need a new hobby. (IE play on a PS3)

beinss

Yeah splite screen was fun... not very challenging when you see your opponent in the right/left screen. But I rather lan party or just play distant with team speak.

I didnt want to keep reading. We already know PCs outperform consoles. Duh. The problem with PCs is they have to run Windows. Im sorry but i dont want some random alert to pop up while im shooting down baddies. CoD4 wasnt suppose to be a graphically intense game, it was suppose to be a fun game. Thats more than i can say about alot of PC games. When your post stated that PCs can outperform the PS3 and 360 3 fold it made me laugh. yeah its true. But unless u have a couple grand and nothing better in your life i dont think 3x the power is worth 10x the price.

I find it funny that while the chip makers want to move towards the Pc gaming market, the actual game makers are getting the hell away. :) what good is a powerful machine without some games? The only games i play on a computer (and a Mac mind you) are RTS games and MMOs. Other than that everything is better on a console. I like having my friends over so we can all shoot each other down in any console shooter via split Screen. I wouldnt want to make my friends bring over their PCs so we can play... When i 1st heard people do that i thought wow, they need a new hobby. (IE play on a PS3)

beinss

How can anyone take your post seriously when you type something like that! Not that your post had anything that every other console gamer hadn't already said throughout this thread. Explain why its all fine that friends can bring over their consoles and play system link whereas PC gamers cant and need to find a new hobby?

[QUOTE="beinss"]

I didnt want to keep reading. We already know PCs outperform consoles. Duh. The problem with PCs is they have to run Windows. Im sorry but i dont want some random alert to pop up while im shooting down baddies. CoD4 wasnt suppose to be a graphically intense game, it was suppose to be a fun game. Thats more than i can say about alot of PC games. When your post stated that PCs can outperform the PS3 and 360 3 fold it made me laugh. yeah its true. But unless u have a couple grand and nothing better in your life i dont think 3x the power is worth 10x the price.

I find it funny that while the chip makers want to move towards the Pc gaming market, the actual game makers are getting the hell away. :) what good is a powerful machine without some games? The only games i play on a computer (and a Mac mind you) are RTS games and MMOs. Other than that everything is better on a console. I like having my friends over so we can all shoot each other down in any console shooter via split Screen. I wouldnt want to make my friends bring over their PCs so we can play... When i 1st heard people do that i thought wow, they need a new hobby. (IE play on a PS3)

Mayhem48

How can anyone take your post seriously when you type something like that! Not that your post had anything that every other console gamer hadn't already said throughout this thread. Explain why its all fine that friends can bring over their consoles and play system link whereas PC gamers cant and need to find a new hobby?

Again. SW is full of hypocrites. It alright for poeple to spend nearly $1000 to buy all 3 consoles, and $60 on games, but it's considered far too expensive to buy a $700-800 PC and $40-50 on games.

[QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Maybe you didn't but you sure did jump in the middle of an already established discussion didn't you?...not my fault you didnt read what was going on....Sure its still selling, but to compare pirated xbox 360 games to pc games is laughable....most pc games other than the sims, WOW, and a few rts struggle to hit the million mark, and with a supposed 263 million user base, its pretty pathetic.

jangojay

MOst console games struggle to hit the million mark........

oh rly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Consoles

27 over a million

746 games........

for xbox 360

5 for PS3

480 games....

PS2

Around 150 lost count.. number of games...

3186.

Again I say it.. most console games struggle to get over a million...

and pc?...hmm left that out huh?

?.... I didn't say PC games don't.. I'm saying console games do as well.

fair enough

yet...i only see crysis as a superior looking game. joeychew

you cant have being looking very hard then.

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

eggfork

10 times? So the average gaming pc cost around $5000. there's exaggeration......and then there is just wrong...

[QUOTE="eggfork"]

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

Mayhem48

10 times? So the average gaming pc cost around $5000. there's exaggeration......and then there is just wrong...

Paint how many FPS are you running in Crysis?ILikeCatFoodMan

on high? More than almost 100% of all console games, and in-case you didn't know you can disable high end effects, texture res ect to improve performance. So i don't know what your trying to prove.

[QUOTE="ILikeCatFoodMan"]Paint how many FPS are you running in Crysis?Mayhem48

on high? More than almost 100% of all console games, and in-case you didn't know you can disable high end effects, texture res ect to improve performance. So i don't know what your trying to prove.

*sigh*

As much respect I have for the PC, in terms of graphics, performance, and hardcore gaming......Personally, I still and ALWAYS will support Console Gaming as primary vs PC gaming as...........gaming platform for Older games (RAC&C2, Starcraft, HL2, etc).

Primary reason, to me, why Console gaming trumps PC is simply.....Convenience. No hassle, no worries.....just have fun right out of the box. No need to go apesh-t about drivers, compatibilities, "2-day old" obsolete Graphics card etc, etc.

[QUOTE="eggfork"]

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

Mayhem48

10 times? So the average gaming pc cost around $5000. there's exaggeration......and then there is just wrong...

sorry i was in a rush but a decent gaming pc cost about 2000 to 5000 any thing under is okay but stuggles with the new games like crysis. i dont know if you use a sub 1000$ pc but when it comes to grapix the ps3 or xbox is way better for two thirds the price intel sayed it its self

qoute "high end pcs" and thous are alot more than what consols cost

[QUOTE="Mayhem48"][QUOTE="eggfork"]

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

eggfork

10 times? So the average gaming pc cost around $5000. there's exaggeration......and then there is just wrong...

sorry i was in a rush but a decent gaming pc cost about 2000 to 5000 any thing under is okay but stuggles with the new games like crysis. i dont know if you use a sub 1000$ pc but when it comes to grapix the ps3 or xbox is way better for two thirds the price intel sayed it its self

qoute "high end pcs" and thous are alot more than what consols cost

Decent cost 2000 to 5000??? euh... you're Alienware/DELL with SLI GX2 shopping?..

Why are console fanboys getting so touchy?

The facts are simply being stated.

If you didnt know your consoles were comparable to the lowest end gaming computers, then reality must be escaping you

[QUOTE="Mayhem48"][QUOTE="eggfork"]

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

eggfork

10 times? So the average gaming pc cost around $5000. there's exaggeration......and then there is just wrong...

sorry i was in a rush but a decent gaming pc cost about 2000 to 5000 any thing under is okay but stuggles with the new games like crysis. i dont know if you use a sub 1000$ pc but when it comes to grapix the ps3 or xbox is way better for two thirds the price intel sayed it its self

qoute "high end pcs" and thous are alot more than what consols cost

My PC cost just under 1.5 thousand NZ and The only game i haven't being able to max out is Crysis, i can play it on high with framerates higher than most console games though. But you can easily build a PC for under $1000 that can easily out perform consoles.

[QUOTE="Mayhem48"][QUOTE="eggfork"]

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

eggfork

10 times? So the average gaming pc cost around $5000. there's exaggeration......and then there is just wrong...

sorry i was in a rush but a decent gaming pc cost about 2000 to 5000 any thing under is okay but stuggles with the new games like crysis. i dont know if you use a sub 1000$ pc but when it comes to grapix the ps3 or xbox is way better for two thirds the price intel sayed it its self

qoute "high end pcs" and thous are alot more than what consols cost

My PC cost as much as PS3 here when I bought it and runs Crysis fantastically on Highsettings, let alone running every other game increadably.

A medium end 8800GT video card and Q6600 quad core processor isnt even high end hardware and does justice to every game, and quite frankly curb stomps console hardware. No comparison whatsoever.

Awesome!!!!

Now that you have proved it to me, I will sell my PS3, my HDTV, my stereo, my entertainment stand, my speakers, my controllers, my Blu-Ray movies, my DVD's, my PSP, my PSP games, my PSP case, and everything other than PC and PC games just because PC dominates allzorz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You fail because this is an opinion argument at best.

Some like PC, some like consoles, it's nothing to lose sleep over if some people don't like your PC games.

RotaryRX7

you dont have a PS2? What the hell....

Just LOL, Since there are now NO games to play on Nvidia's latest crappest, $$$, 1KWh kill the planet video cards. I think Nvidia are in the craps atm. There are few if any compelling PC games on the horizon that need their stupid cardsl; worse the higher end PC devs are moving focus to consoles (Epic/Cry-Tech! Meanwhile PC gaming continues to THRIVE, with titles like SC2, WOW, and numerous web based games, NONE of which require their stupid cards! Sadly I own a 8800GTX which I got 18 months ago. Appart from Crysis, there's nothing that can max it, and not much on the horizon, do they think I'm gonna buy their $$$$ new card and use it as a doorstop. This is desperation from Nvidia.hywel69

The 9 series was purposely delayed for months by Nvidia so it wouldent interfere with teh 8 series booming sales, and there was simply no need for an even more powerful card.

Indeed only Crysis stresses video cards nowdays, and cards like the 8800gt or 9600gt are at cheap prices and deliver great performance all games, its no surprise their popularity and sales is so large.

First time in a long time where the hardware has exeeded the software - for most of the part.

Just LOL, Since there are now NO games to play on Nvidia's latest crappest, $$$, 1KWh kill the planet video cards. I think Nvidia are in the craps atm. There are few if any compelling PC games on the horizon that need their stupid cardsl; worse the higher end PC devs are moving focus to consoles (Epic/Cry-Tech! Meanwhile PC gaming continues to THRIVE, with titles like SC2, WOW, and numerous web based games, NONE of which require their stupid cards! Sadly I own a 8800GTX which I got 18 months ago. Appart from Crysis, there's nothing that can max it, and not much on the horizon, do they think I'm gonna buy their $$$$ new card and use it as a doorstop. This is desperation from Nvidia.hywel69

So your one of thoses who got the 8800GTX and not playing @ 1920x1200? Good job!

[QUOTE="hywel69"]Just LOL, Since there are now NO games to play on Nvidia's latest crappest, $$$, 1KWh kill the planet video cards. I think Nvidia are in the craps atm. There are few if any compelling PC games on the horizon that need their stupid cardsl; worse the higher end PC devs are moving focus to consoles (Epic/Cry-Tech! Meanwhile PC gaming continues to THRIVE, with titles like SC2, WOW, and numerous web based games, NONE of which require their stupid cards! Sadly I own a 8800GTX which I got 18 months ago. Appart from Crysis, there's nothing that can max it, and not much on the horizon, do they think I'm gonna buy their $$$$ new card and use it as a doorstop. This is desperation from Nvidia.skrat_01

The 9 series was purposely delayed for months by Nvidia so it wouldent interfere with teh 8 series booming sales, and there was simply no need for an even more powerful card.

Indeed only Crysis stresses video cards nowdays, and cards like the 8800gt or 9600gt are at cheap prices and deliver great performance all games, its no surprise their popularity and sales is so large.

First time in a long time where the hardware has exeeded the software - for most of the part.

You need atleast a nice monitor to stress the 8800GTX, it was meant to be played @1920x1200.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Dude Consoles alwaysplay catch up, PC has always been revolutionized each genre it steps it foot in.

jethrovegas

Is that a fact? Because in terms of the present, you are the ones who are playing the 6-12 months waiting game with titles like, oh say, GTA IV, a game that us poor, inferior, console goobers have been playing for a week.

And in terms of the past, consoles have shared just as much of the innovation pie as the PC, if not more, with Zelda I, Ocarina of Time, GTA III, Super Mario 64, and many other titles that "revolutionized" entire genres.

And in this generation there are tons of great games that are not available on PC, so how are consoles playing catch up again? Please, do tell.

"Consoles have shared just as much of the innovation pie as the PC, if not more"

You're totally wrong in saying that.

The PC is the platform that has pioneered almost all recent "step forwards" in the gaming industry. It revolutionised LAN play with Doom and conventions with Quake Con (which came from the popularity of Quake), it revolutionised online play with breakout titles from the late nineties, it revolutionised user created content and downloadable content. All of them were on the PC for years before consoles, at the time, consoles were only just supporting 4 player splitscreen.

Funny how some cows and lemmings condemn the Wii for having bad hardware, but they change their tone and adopt the sheep's argument (which they laugh at) when arguing against the PC.

Funny how some cows and lemmings condemn the Wii for having bad hardware, but they change their tone and adopt the sheep's argument (which they laugh at) when arguing against the PC.

rpg9000owner

btw *OT*

Stargsirge Tribes! Are you playing it online??? Are there still servers operating???? :shock:

[QUOTE="rpg9000owner"]

Funny how some cows and lemmings condemn the Wii for having bad hardware, but they change their tone and adopt the sheep's argument (which they laugh at) when arguing against the PC.

skrat_01

btw *OT*

Stargsirge Tribes! Are you playing it online??? Are there still servers operating???? :shock:

This sig is out of date though, I haven't been on in a while. But there are servers and there should be players :)

You fail because this is an opinion argument at best.

Some like PC, some like consoles, it's nothing to lose sleep over if some people don't like your PC games.

RotaryRX7

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="rpg9000owner"]

Funny how some cows and lemmings condemn the Wii for having bad hardware, but they change their tone and adopt the sheep's argument (which they laugh at) when arguing against the PC.

rpg9000owner

btw *OT*

Stargsirge Tribes! Are you playing it online??? Are there still servers operating???? :shock:

This sig is out of date though, I haven't been on in a while. But there are servers and there should be players :)

Hopefully keep me preocupied until Legions comes out on Instant Action.

[QUOTE="rpg9000owner"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="rpg9000owner"]

Funny how some cows and lemmings condemn the Wii for having bad hardware, but they change their tone and adopt the sheep's argument (which they laugh at) when arguing against the PC.

skrat_01

btw *OT*

Stargsirge Tribes! Are you playing it online??? Are there still servers operating???? :shock:

This sig is out of date though, I haven't been on in a while. But there are servers and there should be players :)

Hopefully keep me preocupied until Legions comes out on Instant Action.

If not, I found something interesting, could be worth checking out.

Hellsing2o2

Agreed. PC gaming is more complicated, but not so much so that its impossible.

i'd agree there. definitely a gaming rig can be built with a little research. however, this factor often limits PC gaming popularity. a lot of consolites, like myself, will sacrifice some performance for plug and play simplicity.

]There's no players playing right this minute, I hope for your sake that it'll fill up tonite.

If not, I found something interesting, could be worth checking out.

rpg9000owner

Thank again for the extra link!

Somehow...after reading all of that, I still prefer consoles. :o

How odd...

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Nvidia was the reason Xbox tanked early. And if i'm not mistaken, Xbox also used Intel Pentium 3 based processors.PandaBear86

I think the Xbox used a customised 733mhz Celeron.

And what exactly did nVidia do to shorten the lifespan of the Xbox? That graphics card did not overheat like the Xenon in the 360 :(

The cost to make the Xbox's GPU remained high because Nvidia failed to get the process down to were it could be competative with the PS2 in the pricing area. Thats why we were still paying $220 after taxes in the 3rd year. The PS2 dropped to $199 in just under 2 years after launch.

Instead of making money on every Xbox sold, they lost money. I know you've seen those articles citing the billions that they lost with Xbox and thats a pretty large reason why, and one of the main reasons why they had to kill it early..or suffer even more loses.

of course they are going to say that. While not untrue, they are upset because consoles are giving PC's a royal beatdown right now, and justifiaby so. We're sick of paying $3-600 for a new graphics card every year to play the latest PC games. I love not having to tweak the settings to get everythnig to work right. They should just be happy that people bought a Ps3 with their tech in.ChiefFreeman

Royal beatdown? Get your facts straight before you post because this makes you look really stupid. PC has BY FAR the most users, it brings in the most money BY FAR. It has the most highly rated titles, best graphics BY FAR, best customization BY FAR...and the list goes on. What exactly is this beatdown you speak of?

Somehow...after reading all of that, I still prefer consoles. :o

How odd...

The_Game21x

Pretty easy to prefer consoles when you've never given PC gaming a chance.

Funny how some cows and lemmings condemn the Wii for having bad hardware, but they change their tone and adopt the sheep's argument (which they laugh at) when arguing against the PC.

rpg9000owner

[QUOTE="Mayhem48"][QUOTE="eggfork"]

look this is no suprize after all thay do cost 10 times as much

but for 500$ the ps3 or xbox will wast any pc that cost 500$ to about 700$

eggfork

10 times? So the average gaming pc cost around $5000. there's exaggeration......and then there is just wrong...

sorry i was in a rush but a decent gaming pc cost about 2000 to 5000 any thing under is okay but stuggles with the new games like crysis. i dont know if you use a sub 1000$ pc but when it comes to grapix the ps3 or xbox is way better for two thirds the price intel sayed it its self

qoute "high end pcs" and thous are alot more than what consols cost

My PC was $1200 back in november. So no doubt the same parts will be much cheaper by now.

Why are console fanboys getting so touchy?

The facts are simply being stated.

If you didnt know your consoles were comparable to the lowest end gaming computers, then reality must be escaping you

skrat_01

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

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Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

Painballz

Translation: We need to sell more graphics cards! Please, for the love of God, come back to PC gaming!