Intel & Nvidia has something to say to all Console Fans

[QUOTE="legol1"] if i dont need a high end pc to play game than a ps360 should be enough you hermit always bashing console graphics but never bash low end pc graphics but you say you can play game with a low end pc even if ps360 graphics look better than a low end pc.Vandalvideo

I just had a ton of fun beating Blast Corsp for the N64 yesterday...Oh ya, I forgot, the PC is at least 300 to 500 times the power of an N64. Must mean that it's that much more fun....

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legol1"] if i dont need a high end pc to play game than a ps360 should be enough you hermit always bashing console graphics but never bash low end pc graphics but you say you can play game with a low end pc even if ps360 graphics look better than a low end pc.legol1

[QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legol1"] if i dont need a high end pc to play game than a ps360 should be enough you hermit always bashing console graphics but never bash low end pc graphics but you say you can play game with a low end pc even if ps360 graphics look better than a low end pc.Vandalvideo

now we do what since i dont have any clear indication of where a pc is starting to be midend ?legol1

[QUOTE="legol1"] now we do what since i dont have any clear indication of where a pc is starting to be midend ?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legol1"] now we do what since i dont have any clear indication of where a pc is starting to be midend ?legol1

You do realize that, you're using false quantities of AAA's for your logic right?

See, you're saying PC has all of these AAA's. Yes, but there's only "one" PC, and so, you're counting AAA's back from the 90's, etc. Therefore, if you want to play that clever little game, then all console people get to include AAA titles starting with the Magnavox Odyssey up to today's consoles, and oh look...now consoles have a LONG list of AAA's as well. :)

You fail.

RotaryRX7

It's not out fault that PC doesn't go through "generations" like consoles do. If you could use the same platform for the last 20 years you probably would, but you get forced to switch to a new platform every 5 or 6 years.

I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

Painballz

interesting read until your last paragraph which is complete crap. first of all xbox360 will have games that look better than gears 1 and ps3 has not been maxed out with mgs4 because killzone 2 looks better than that. so what are you talking about?

[QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

Am i the only one not surprised that graphics card creators are bashing consoles, which, pretty much are a big threat to them? If people are buying consoles and moving from PC to console, there not buying graphics card.

Sure they make money from the card in the machine but consoles last a good 7 years now adays.

Gamingcucumber

Graphic cards are like shampoo's. There are a new one comming out each day with some kind of "new" and refreshing formula. Now wouldn't it be cool if that same shampoo bottle would last 10 years instead of just 1 year before it started to age?

Right, so the moment I bought my 8800 GTS it began to age, but the card in your console doesnt? Damn I didnt know that about console gaming. I'm selling my PC first thing in the morning lol.

In all seriousness, thats a stupid reason not to be into PC gaming. I acknowledge there are many rational reasons not to be into PC gaming either from from personal taste to how complex this area of gaming can be. But...I mean do you really think as soon as a slightly more up-dated GPU comes out, your current one will somehow stop working? No. The only reason you would be concerned would be is if either you had some obsession with have only the most up-to-date components or if Nvidia or ATI were to stop supporting your card with new drivers etc (which wont happen because if you look on the Nvidia website, cards are still being supported since before this current generation).

Just for your info, my card, when I bought it wasn't even the most powerful on the market. It's now over 18 months old and heading for 2 years old, actually you know what it might even be 2 years old now, not sure. (if someone wants to chip in and tell me how old the old GTS is..?) ..and yet my card kicks the arse of whatever GPU you have in your console and in 5 years it will still be more powerful!

Right, so the moment I bought my 8800 GTS it began to age, but the card in your console doesnt? Damn I didnt know that about console gaming. I'm selling my PC first thing in the morning lol.

In all seriousness, thats a stupid reason not to be into PC gaming. I acknowledge there are many rational reasons not to be into PC gaming either from from personal taste to how complex this area of gaming can be. But...I mean do you really think as soon as a slightly more up-dated GPU comes out, your current one will somehow stop working? No. The only reason you would be concerned would be is if either you had some obsession with have only the most up-to-date components or if Nvidia or ATI were to stop supporting your card with new drivers etc (which wont happen because if you look on the Nvidia website, cards are still being supported since before this current generation).

Just for your info, my card, when I bought it wasn't even the most powerful on the market. It's now over 18 months old and heading for 2 years old, actually you know what it might even be 2 years old now, not sure. (if someone wants to chip in and tell me how old the old GTS is..?) ..and yet my card kicks the arse of whatever GPU you have in your console and in 5 years it will still be more powerful!

DAZZER7

I believe the 8800GTS was first released in November of 2006 so were heading for 2 years old.

Once again, the only example they can use is Crysis... yawn.MyopicCanadian

Nope my favourite to use is stalker.

Heck, you can use any multiplat game.

Nope my favourite to use is stalker.

Heck, you can use any multiplat game.

DAZZER7

Stalker is good and Clear Sky looks great. I am buying Clear Sky mostly to support GSC for staying PC.

Damn so many arguments in this thread reek stupidity.

-1 respect to Pro Wrester for saying PC games arent innovative. If anything the PC is the most innovative platform by far be it hardware and software.

Damn so many arguments in this thread reek stupidity.

-1 respect to Pro Wrester for saying PC games arent innovative. If anything the PC is the most innovative platform by far be it hardware and software.

skrat_01

You can minus another 1 respect for him saying that the console versions of Half-Life 2, Command and Conquer and Battlefield "just as good or better" than the PC versions. Before that, he stated he was an entirely objective poster.

Pfffft. Yeah, right... all of those games are way worse on consoles.

Can we add another -1 for his name? I don't think its very good.

Also -1 for the badly drawn sig?

Intel says consoles are weak and old

Painballz

Is this seriously like the 7th I hate consoles thread you've made tonight? Get a life man. I've checked back on the forums maybe maybe once and hour and theres a new topic by you hating on the same crap. Just give it a rest, noone cares.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Damn so many arguments in this thread reek stupidity.

-1 respect to Pro Wrester for saying PC games arent innovative. If anything the PC is the most innovative platform by far be it hardware and software.

aliblabla2007

You can minus another 1 respect for him saying that the console versions of Half-Life 2, Command and Conquer and Battlefield "just as good or better" than the PC versions. Before that, he stated he was an entirely objective poster.

Pfffft. Yeah, right... all of those games are way worse on consoles.

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

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Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

Painballz

Yet they still sponser Console Gaming events.... A SHOCKER!!! I wonder Why!?

Painballz is bAd!

For some reason, I'm just not impressed. Does anyone else think PC tech is moving ahead way too fast for it's own good?Terami

[QUOTE="Terami"]For some reason, I'm just not impressed. Does anyone else think PC tech is moving ahead way too fast for it's own good?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Terami"]For some reason, I'm just not impressed. Does anyone else think PC tech is moving ahead way too fast for it's own good?Terami

[QUOTE="Terami"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Terami"]For some reason, I'm just not impressed. Does anyone else think PC tech is moving ahead way too fast for it's own good?Vandalvideo

Thank you for confirming my whole point. It's not needeTerami

[QUOTE="Terami"]Thank you for confirming my whole point. It's not needeVandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Terami"]Thank you for confirming my whole point. It's not needeTerami

So in other words, PC tech isn't moving too fast? Great.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

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Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

Antikyth3ra

Yet they still sponser Console Gaming events.... A SHOCKER!!! I wonder Why!?

Painballz is bAd!

Right, they are playing the all card game.

PC is a duh factor when it comes to power, problem is the industry can't keep up with that tech evolution. Lucky however every other generation or so. A game like unreal or crysis will come by to shatter hardware until it catches up again, and then we cycle.

and further more. Gears 2, KZ2, Mirrors Edge, GT5, etc are proof that Gears 1/MGS4 didn't max consoles. Those games are better looking and run at higher resolutions then ones you mentioned. (pain)

To Captain obvious:

This is normal, and has always been this way. This generation was powerful and awe inspiring in 2005 when the 360 was first released, the PS3 released too late in the cycle, and it onyl took a few months for PC's to overpower the consoles. BUT who cares, because I prefer to play my games on a large TV over a small PC screen,... and yes i like PC gaming a lot, but have fallen away from it in the past year.

"The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

This man speaks the truth.

[QUOTE="Painballz"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

Jethro Vegas has something to say to Intel and Nvidia:

Grand Theft Auto IV.

jethrovegas

But it isn't, and neither are tons of excellent, generation defining titles that are already out, like Dead Rising or games that are coming out soon, like Ninja Gaiden 2.

How can console gaming be such an inferior experience when the consoles have such great games available for them that aren't on PC?

It isin't inferior. But games like AoC and SCom make it inferior.

Oh and GTA does have a rinse and repeat formula. I completed it at 63.25 on the 360 and not once did i get more than 3 stars. The game is too easy and too linear. Excellent when i first put it on but since completed it is gaining dust. PC gamers can wait. Give me AoC anytime.

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

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Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

Painballz

Not to sound mean, but why do we have to continously have these topics about how pc has better graphics and how its ahead of consoles all the time? I personally don't understand it. I think everyone and their mother has agreed that consoles are behind in a lot of areas due to their non-upgradable parts. I think it just gets a little old thats all. I think we are beating a dead horse here.

[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Intel says consoles are weak and old

http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/videos/home.aspx?fn=1459

Intel said, that they don't want to move back (consoles), they move ahead (PC)

Intel bought Project Offset Dev's which makes it a PC exclusive and it will probably dethrone Crysis in graphics.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nvidia

As good as consoles are, they are so far behind the PC gaming experience that there is no comparison.

"In terms of raw processing power, the high-end PCs are at least three times more powerful."

Nvidia provides the graphics grunt for the PlayStation 3, while rival ATI provides the imaging hardware for the Xbox 360.

Mr Taylor points out that the latest graphics cards can draw twice as many pixels, twice the screen resolution, as a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.

The latest games are employing DirectX 10 tools developed by Microsoft, which are used by developers to get the best out of the high-end and middle-range graphics cards.

Mr Taylor said the new tools and the new hardware had given developers a library of effects to play with.

Nvidia's latest high-end graphics cards, the 8800 series, can easily produce graphical effects that tax the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, such as motion blur, depth of field and volumetric smoke.

Playing Crysis with the screen resolution set at 1920x1200 with all effects switched up to very high and anti-aliasing turned on, the game is breathtaking to look at and puts consoles titles like Gears of War and Call of Duty 4 into the shade.

Mr Taylor said: "Fog, smoke or mist in games until now have been flat and don't respond to objects. Volumetric effects mean they are dynamic - a helicopter can now displace cloud or smoke, or a character can step through the fog realistically."

The PC is finally back up where it belongs," said Mr Diemer.

He added: "The innovation is happening on the PC; but that's always been the case."

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I think there both right on the money, Gears of War maxed out 360 and MGS4 maxed out PS3 (576P) with downgrade, and the Wii is just an abomination,Mario Galaxy maxed out the Wii while still looking like a high end Xbox 1 game which is sad.

fjburgos

You can get a 9600GT for $100 which destroys any console by a massive margin.

A computer doesnt get obsolete in 2 years.Try like 3.5 or 4 years.

PC can use both the PS3 controller AND the 360 controller which is better than any console can do.

Try again fanboy.

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]You spend all this money to run Crysis on High and it still won't go higher than 25 fps...who is the bigger loser?Ilived

Well we can run every other game in REAL HD like COD 4 with 100+ FPS

While your consoles run at 600p 30 fps, so who's the biggest loser now?

Perhaps still you. Who the hell can tell the difference from 35+ fps to 100+fps? That crap is not needed and generally is untrue. You buy a gaming machine then people say oh you have an AMD dual core, they are not as good as Intel. So then what you need to do is BUY an entirely new motherboard and then buy the intel cpu. So then it's like oh you have an 2x 8800GTX SLI? Oh that's totally useless unless you have a 30inch monitor. I mean come on, all these complications just to run Crysis the way you want to? It's not worth it, especially the cost.

You can't tell the difference between 35fps and 100? There is quite a big diffrenc, especially if you have V-Sinc enabled. Iy wasn't complicated for me at all. I chose the hardware I wanted, Hardware that had a very good price to performance ratio. And I bought a 22" LCD instead of a 30" becuase you NEED a very high-end PC to always get the best image quality out of it, because LCD have a native resolution. i only had to chose the hardware once, and I'm still very happy with it. It runs Crysis maxed out in 1680x1050 at near 30fps. Thats good enough for me.

The only time when a person can tell the difference from 35-40fps from 100fps is when they have too much time on their hands.

I understand their argument, but why use effects such as motion blur, depth of field, and volumetric effects? Because the consoles can handle all those very well.

MB and DOF we see in almost every damn game, and Halo 3 used very cool volumetric effects. (such as god rays in the forest level, or the huge cloud in the distance before the portal opened)

There isn't much difference between 35 fps and 100.

Only real difference is the closer you are to 0 fps the more chance there is for the FPS to drop down to an amount where it can be noticed.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]You spend all this money to run Crysis on High and it still won't go higher than 25 fps...who is the bigger loser?out0v0rder

Well we can run every other game in REAL HD like COD 4 with 100+ FPS

While your consoles run at 600p 30 fps, so who's the biggest loser now?

Perhaps still you. Who the hell can tell the difference from 35+ fps to 100+fps? That crap is not needed and generally is untrue. You buy a gaming machine then people say oh you have an AMD dual core, they are not as good as Intel. So then what you need to do is BUY an entirely new motherboard and then buy the intel cpu. So then it's like oh you have an 2x 8800GTX SLI? Oh that's totally useless unless you have a 30inch monitor. I mean come on, all these complications just to run Crysis the way you want to? It's not worth it, especially the cost.

You can't tell the difference between 35fps and 100? There is quite a big diffrenc, especially if you have V-Sinc enabled. Iy wasn't complicated for me at all. I chose the hardware I wanted, Hardware that had a very good price to performance ratio. And I bought a 22" LCD instead of a 30" becuase you NEED a very high-end PC to always get the best image quality out of it, because LCD have a native resolution. i only had to chose the hardware once, and I'm still very happy with it. It runs Crysis maxed out in 1680x1050 at near 30fps. Thats good enough for me.

The only time when a person can tell the difference from 35-40fps from 100fps is when they have too much time on their hands.

I was playing fear that day with vsync and my FPS suddenly on occasions dropped form 85-42 FPS and I could clearly and positively see FPS dropping and it really didnt feel good.But then I figured I didnt had triple buffering on and once I did turn it on the FPS never dropped and it felt MUCH smoother.