Is it fair to compare the $400 dollar PS3 to the $200 360?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]This place is turning into "Business Wars".IronBass

[QUOTE="che5ter666"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] you do if you want to play forza 3.stylesPS3

No, sorry mate your wrong. The 2nd disc is for the extra content. Forza 3 can be played with just the first disc.

[QUOTE="standarddamage"]

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

Ugh...

Plain and simple. 360 = least expensive console out there. Period. PS3 = best bang for your buck for features.

Games and what you are willing to spend for a console is at your own discretion. Period the end.

SemiMaster

Not that I use this expression very often, but this post is full of win.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]This place is turning into "Business Wars".Eddie-Vedder

You might find this shocking, but it's actually just a hobby for me =oEddie-Vedder

The cost of a Blu Ray player alone is $400.So for $400 if we are getting a Blu Ray Player + Gaming Console isn't it a steal.

Maybe I shouldn't say that because if everyone realized this, System Wars would be quite boring.SemiMaster

[QUOTE="che5ter666"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] you do if you want to play forza 3.stylesPS3

No, sorry mate your wrong. The 2nd disc is for the extra content. Forza 3 can be played with just the first disc.

First of all DO NOT call me a lem! Just because you are a die hard PS3 fan and like to bash the 360 at every instance, doesn't put me in the same category as you. I own and love both the 360 and PS3.

Secondly this states that disc one will be the full game experience where disc two will serve as extra cars/tracks...completely optional.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] and your fellow lemming in the other thread just said the 1st disc is used for install, and the 2nd disc is used for playing. how about some proof so we dont keep getting this back and forth info.Stevo_the_gamer

Gamers don't want Gimmicks

They want games.

For 200 dollars, the quality and variety of the 360 is unmatched for what it offers.

Dead-Memories

Forza devs stated Disc 1 will be game experience, Disc 2 will be "extras". So yes, the "full" experience will require a hdd, but main game does not.

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]Maybe I shouldn't say that because if everyone realized this, System Wars would be quite boring.standarddamage

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="che5ter666"]

No, sorry mate your wrong. The 2nd disc is for the extra content. Forza 3 can be played with just the first disc.

First of all DO NOT call me a lem! Just because you are a die hard PS3 fan and like to bash the 360 at every instance, doesn't put me in the same category as you. I own and love both the 360 and PS3.

Secondly this states that disc one will be the full game experience where disc two will serve as extra cars/tracks...completely optional.

Forza devs stated Disc 1 will be game experience, Disc 2 will be "extras". So yes, the "full" experience will require a hdd, but main game does not.

gamecubepad

and your fellow lemming in the other thread just said the 1st disc is used for install, and the 2nd disc is used for playing. how about some proof so we dont keep getting this back and forth info.stylesPS3

im not the one who came up with either of those theories. however i tried searching for both of them and neither of them can be confirmed. including your theory.stylesPS3

You didn't look very hard, did you?

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/04/forza-motorsport-3-will-ship-on-two-discs/

There's only one gaming market, so yeah it is fair to compare them. But only an uneducated consumer, ie. no self respecting gamer,would compare them at face value and stop there,

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Forza devs stated Disc 1 will be game experience, Disc 2 will be "extras". So yes, the "full" experience will require a hdd, but main game does not.

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]im not the one who came up with either of those theories. however i tried searching for both of them and neither of them can be confirmed. including your theory.Stevo_the_gamer

You didn't look very hard, did you?

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/04/forza-motorsport-3-will-ship-on-two-discs/

getting the arcade and a 20GB hard drive online is the best deal so i say yes

you can find the 20GB for like 30$ online

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Forza devs stated Disc 1 will be game experience, Disc 2 will be "extras". So yes, the "full" experience will require a hdd, but main game does not.

Stevo_the_gamer

i just saw that, and anyone who says switching discs everytime you want to change tracks or cars is better then installing is still in denial imo.stylesPS3

[QUOTE="che5ter666"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] and your fellow lemming in the other thread just said the 1st disc is used for install, and the 2nd disc is used for playing. how about some proof so we dont keep getting this back and forth info.stylesPS3

First of all DO NOT call me a lem! Just because you are a die hard PS3 fan and like to bash the 360 at every instance, doesn't put me in the same category as you. I own and love both the 360 and PS3.

Secondly this states that disc one will be the full game experience where disc two will serve as extra cars/tracks...completely optional.

Who said anything about swapping discs? You can't! You either install it or you don't. The main point is that Turn 10 have confirmed that HDD less 360's can play this game to some extent.

i just saw that, and anyone who says switching discs everytime you want to change tracks or cars is better then installing is still in denial imo.stylesPS3

well if you dont have a hard drive. shouldnt there essentially be a forza 3 reg and forza 3 super edition. I mean i wouldnt wanna pay full price for content an cant even use.Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Forza devs stated Disc 1 will be game experience, Disc 2 will be "extras". So yes, the "full" experience will require a hdd, but main game does not.

Animal-Mother

Anything is possible. Maybe it's like a buying a DVD where disc 1 is the actual film and disc 2 is the extras. If it bothered somebody that much I'm sure they could drop $30 or $40 on a hdd.

Sony removing all Backwards compatibility from PS3 kinda equates to a half experience in my mind. $240 is still less than $400, and you can't buy BC in the case of the PS3. What a joke. I'm sure they'll fix that blunder soon enough though.

What the heck gave you that idea?Stevo_the_gamer

Based on what GameCubePad said, you need the HDD for the full experience. Therefore, Arcade owners won't be able to get everything the game offers. You need the HDD for the full game.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]well if you dont have a hard drive. shouldnt there essentially be a forza 3 reg and forza 3 super edition. I mean i wouldnt wanna pay full price for content an cant even use.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]i just saw that, and anyone who says switching discs everytime you want to change tracks or cars is better then installing is still in denial imo.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]well if you dont have a hard drive. shouldnt there essentially be a forza 3 reg and forza 3 super edition. I mean i wouldnt wanna pay full price for content an cant even use.Animal-Mother

When asked if the second disc would act as a data transfer, downloading the additional content to the hard drive for use with the first disc, Wendl told us that was "exactly right." While Turn 10 assures all gamers will be able to enjoy the full Forza 3 experience, we now have confirmation that not all gamers will be able to enjoy all 400 vehicles promised at the Microsoft press briefing. Gallery: Forza Motorsport 3 joystiq

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]well if you dont have a hard drive. shouldnt there essentially be a forza 3 reg and forza 3 super edition. I mean i wouldnt wanna pay full price for content an cant even use.Animal-Mother

When asked if the second disc would act as a data transfer, downloading the additional content to the hard drive for use with the first disc, Wendl told us that was "exactly right." While Turn 10 assures all gamers will be able to enjoy the full Forza 3 experience, we now have confirmation that not all gamers will be able to enjoy all 400 vehicles promised at the Microsoft press briefing. Gallery: Forza Motorsport 3 joystiq

So no disk swapping to play one of the extra tracks on the Disk 2?

Anything is possible. Maybe it's like a buying a DVD where disc 1 is the actual film and disc 2 is the extras. If it bothered somebody that much I'm sure they could drop $30 or $40 on a hdd.

Sony removing all Backwards compatibility from PS3 kinda equates to a half experience in my mind. $240 is still less than $400, and you can't buy BC in the case of the PS3. What a joke. I'm sure they'll fix that blunder soon enough though.

gamecubepad

What HDD for the 360 is $30 - $40? Looking at used ones?

The new 60 gigs run about $100 for the 360.

Lemmings like to put on their casual hats when comparing price points. I'd like to see a single one of you lemmings that bought an arcade for 200 bucks and has been gaming on it without wasting any more money on the console. Why argue for the casual in a place called "System Wars"?

Eddie-Vedder

when you buy a console you have to pay for games too....so 360 has more and better games then ps3 that means lemmings buy more games then cows...which means lemmings spend mroe money haha lemmings have seriously been pwned for buying games

What HDD for the 360 is $30 - $40? Looking at used ones?

The new 60 gigs run about $100 for the 360.

standarddamage

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Who said you can't use it?Stevo_the_gamer

When asked if the second disc would act as a data transfer, downloading the additional content to the hard drive for use with the first disc, Wendl told us that was "exactly right." While Turn 10 assures all gamers will be able to enjoy the full Forza 3 experience, we now have confirmation that not all gamers will be able to enjoy all 400 vehicles promised at the Microsoft press briefing. Gallery: Forza Motorsport 3 joystiq

So no disk swapping to play one of the extra tracks on the Disk 2?

Perfectly fair. It may have more added features, but it plays comparable games, and it's also competing direcly with it, so it's all fair game.

[QUOTE="standarddamage"]

What HDD for the 360 is $30 - $40? Looking at used ones?

The new 60 gigs run about $100 for the 360.

Stevo_the_gamer

yea you can used 20GB for like 20-30$ on ebay, that and a arcade is the best deal this gen hands down

Perfectly fair. It may have more added features, but it plays comparable games, and it's also competing direcly with it, so it's all fair game.

BioShockOwnz

compare 2 things:

1) the price of the basic "just play games' functionality... the "ticket price" of playing a game if you will... you know, that thing these consoles are supposedly made for

2) the price of each for obtaining a similar experience on each console

up to you, individually, to figure out which is most important

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Anything is possible. Maybe it's like a buying a DVD where disc 1 is the actual film and disc 2 is the extras. If it bothered somebody that much I'm sure they could drop $30 or $40 on a hdd.

Sony removing all Backwards compatibility from PS3 kinda equates to a half experience in my mind. $240 is still less than $400, and you can't buy BC in the case of the PS3. What a joke. I'm sure they'll fix that blunder soon enough though.

standarddamage

What HDD for the 360 is $30 - $40? Looking at used ones?

The new 60 gigs run about $100 for the 360.

Correct. That's used or refurbished. Penny-pinching Arcade users wouldn't bother buying a new one.

How is it perfectly fair when it doesnt give you the same as the PS3?Animal-Mother

20GB HDDs.

Stevo_the_gamer

I didn't even realize that there were still new 20GB models floating around anymore, but sure enough, Amazon has them.

Which would be a perfect one to get if you were only concerned about one game...turns the overall price into a $100 for the game though, so I don't know.

Pretty much everyone buys a HDD or a console with a HDD nowadays, for XBox 360.IIRS3II_H1TMAN

[QUOTE="IIRS3II_H1TMAN"]Pretty much everyone buys a HDD or a console with a HDD nowadays, for XBox 360.stylesPS3

Tricked? Who's getting tricked? If someone buys an arcade without the HDD...it's their choice.

It really depends on what you are wanting the system for. I do think that it is more fair to compare the Pro to the PS3 as they are more alike and you don't require the additional harddrive. Yes, the Xbox can be purchased for $200, but you really need the Pro so you have the harddrive and it makes it more comparable to PS3. So, in reality, I think the Xbox is only $100 lower than the PS3. The biggest difference on the PS3 is simply the Blu-Ray player. If you really have no interest in Blu-Ray, than it probably isn't worth the price difference, but if you are a big movie fan, it is definitely worth it because finding a good Blu-Ray player for $100 is nearly impossible.

For me, personally, I would rather the Xbox be priced closer to the PS3 and come with more things standard. My main item on my wishlist would be wireless. A lot of people don't need wireless, but there are also a lot of people that wouldn't be within range of a router, so therefore would need to spend an additonal $100. The second item on my wishlist would be to make the silver level of Xbox Live include online gameplay. I don't play online that often, but enough that I like to have it, but paying $60 a year to be able to do it just isn't something that makes me real happy. I like that you can still get game demos and all without having to get live, but I wish online play were added to it, or the price of the membership lowered. Every year I'm going to be debating, do I want to get an extra game or pay to have the ability to play online. I know that Live is 100x better than home on PS3, but I still think $60 is a pretty steep price to have the ability to do something the PS3 includes standard.

I definitely think there is a significant price difference in the beginning, but after adding everything up, the PS3 really isn't all that expensive, at least in my opinion!

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]How is it perfectly fair when it doesnt give you the same as the PS3?IronBass

The 360's objective is not to "give the same as the PS3" in terms of features. Why should we "invent" an objective for it, that clearly isn't?IronBass

But as I said essentially at the end of the day certain people will need things like a hard drive or wireless.Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]But as I said essentially at the end of the day certain people will need things like a hard drive or wireless.IronBass