Is it fair to compare the $400 dollar PS3 to the $200 360?

Exactly, i think you missed the initial post i replied to as the point that person was trying to make was that for a $200 360 you get the same game at the person who has a $400 PS3 which you don't as you get only the SP part of the game (well you can only play the SP part, the MP is still ther but you can't use it) on the $200 360 unless you willing to pay more which then of couse the $200 360 become void. It's like i said in another post, compairing the $200 360 to a $400 PS3 isn't a fair comparision as it's like compairing a $200 360 to a fully featured $350 360 with a gold sub, one can play only SP games (unless you pay for live and a HDD) and the other can play online games strait away, Put it like this, if i wanted to only play SP games this gen i would have a 360 arcade as it's a banging deal and i agree you can't beat that price BUT i wanted an online capable console and the PS3 fit the bill for me as already it has cost me less than if i had bought a 360 and payed for live for a year or 2.Stoner-Pimp

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

I have to say I see people saying how 360 is the cheapest system comparing it to the PS3 and what not.

I mean let's break it down.

for $400 somalians you get an 80 gig hard drive.

Wi-fi

Recharagable Blue-tooth controllers

Blu-ray.

Do these things justify the cost of the PS3. I mean features are important parts of consoles are they not?

Now for $200 dollars you get

an xbox 360

A wireless controller

an internal 256 memory.

Now despite that regardless the 360 still plays games. If your an avid gamer like ourselves here we all know it wouldnt last a week let alone a whole generation without having to delete files and who wants to do that.

In all honest I feel in order to get the full 360 expierience you need a hard drive. I mean Downloadable titles/DLC/ Videos/Music etc. etc.

So in all honest is it fair to compare the $400 dollar PS3 to the $200 dollar 360. When the 360 is severly gimped in features for that price?mythrol

Yes. A $200 360 will play the same multiplat a $400 PS3 will.

[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]Exactly, i think you missed the initial post i replied to as the point that person was trying to make was that for a $200 360 you get the same game at the person who has a $400 PS3 which you don't as you get only the SP part of the game (well you can only play the SP part, the MP is still ther but you can't use it) on the $200 360 unless you willing to pay more which then of couse the $200 360 become void. It's like i said in another post, compairing the $200 360 to a $400 PS3 isn't a fair comparision as it's like compairing a $200 360 to a fully featured $350 360 with a gold sub, one can play only SP games (unless you pay for live and a HDD) and the other can play online games strait away, Put it like this, if i wanted to only play SP games this gen i would have a 360 arcade as it's a banging deal and i agree you can't beat that price BUT i wanted an online capable console and the PS3 fit the bill for me as already it has cost me less than if i had bought a 360 and payed for live for a year or 2.IronBass

[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]Exactly, i think you missed the initial post i replied to as the point that person was trying to make was that for a $200 360 you get the same game at the person who has a $400 PS3 which you don't as you get only the SP part of the game (well you can only play the SP part, the MP is still ther but you can't use it) on the $200 360 unless you willing to pay more which then of couse the $200 360 become void. It's like i said in another post, compairing the $200 360 to a $400 PS3 isn't a fair comparision as it's like compairing a $200 360 to a fully featured $350 360 with a gold sub, one can play only SP games (unless you pay for live and a HDD) and the other can play online games strait away, Put it like this, if i wanted to only play SP games this gen i would have a 360 arcade as it's a banging deal and i agree you can't beat that price BUT i wanted an online capable console and the PS3 fit the bill for me as already it has cost me less than if i had bought a 360 and payed for live for a year or 2.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]Exactly, i think you missed the initial post i replied to as the point that person was trying to make was that for a $200 360 you get the same game at the person who has a $400 PS3 which you don't as you get only the SP part of the game (well you can only play the SP part, the MP is still ther but you can't use it) on the $200 360 unless you willing to pay more which then of couse the $200 360 become void. It's like i said in another post, compairing the $200 360 to a $400 PS3 isn't a fair comparision as it's like compairing a $200 360 to a fully featured $350 360 with a gold sub, one can play only SP games (unless you pay for live and a HDD) and the other can play online games strait away, Put it like this, if i wanted to only play SP games this gen i would have a 360 arcade as it's a banging deal and i agree you can't beat that price BUT i wanted an online capable console and the PS3 fit the bill for me as already it has cost me less than if i had bought a 360 and payed for live for a year or 2.Stoner-Pimp

So suspose we did. What changes? (besides the stupid logic involved in comparing a 360 to a 360)

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]Exactly, i think you missed the initial post i replied to as the point that person was trying to make was that for a $200 360 you get the same game at the person who has a $400 PS3 which you don't as you get only the SP part of the game (well you can only play the SP part, the MP is still ther but you can't use it) on the $200 360 unless you willing to pay more which then of couse the $200 360 become void. It's like i said in another post, compairing the $200 360 to a $400 PS3 isn't a fair comparision as it's like compairing a $200 360 to a fully featured $350 360 with a gold sub, one can play only SP games (unless you pay for live and a HDD) and the other can play online games strait away, Put it like this, if i wanted to only play SP games this gen i would have a 360 arcade as it's a banging deal and i agree you can't beat that price BUT i wanted an online capable console and the PS3 fit the bill for me as already it has cost me less than if i had bought a 360 and payed for live for a year or 2.Stoner-Pimp

No, its not. Can we compare a forman grill to firewood? both give you heat. except, one requires alot more work and material to get it going. and the other is more expensive. they are different values, and cannot be compared simply due to a result (a result which is different btw just like the 360 and ps3 comparison your making).stylesPS3

[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"][QUOTE="IronBass"] It's still fair to compare them. Not eveybody expect the same from a console. Adding features to the 360 to make it like the PS3 would be under the assumption everyone expects the same. Which is wrong, and because it's wrong, it would also be unfair.ActicEdge

So suspose we did. What changes? (besides the stupid logic involved in comparing a 360 to a 360)

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]No, its not. Can we compare a forman grill to firewood? both give you heat. except, one requires alot more work and material to get it going. and the other is more expensive. they are different values, and cannot be compared simply due to a result (a result which is different btw just like the 360 and ps3 comparison your making).IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]Exactly, i think you missed the initial post i replied to as the point that person was trying to make was that for a $200 360 you get the same game at the person who has a $400 PS3 which you don't as you get only the SP part of the game (well you can only play the SP part, the MP is still ther but you can't use it) on the $200 360 unless you willing to pay more which then of couse the $200 360 become void. It's like i said in another post, compairing the $200 360 to a $400 PS3 isn't a fair comparision as it's like compairing a $200 360 to a fully featured $350 360 with a gold sub, one can play only SP games (unless you pay for live and a HDD) and the other can play online games strait away, Put it like this, if i wanted to only play SP games this gen i would have a 360 arcade as it's a banging deal and i agree you can't beat that price BUT i wanted an online capable console and the PS3 fit the bill for me as already it has cost me less than if i had bought a 360 and payed for live for a year or 2.stylesPS3

Not really. A foreman grill is meant for cooking. Firewood most likely isn't. They both give heat sure but the firewood generally going to be better at the job than the grill just due to design. Have you ever actually been beside a grill? Not exactly comfortable lol. Anyway, please provide a better comparison. I mean a 360 and a PS3 are both suspose to play games so that comparison already doesn't make sense. No one sits beside a grill for warmth lol.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]I'd prefer to compare the Pro to the PS3, add in Live and it's $350 vs $400. That way you get virtually the same experience (HDD & online) and it's still slightly cheaper. To answer your question I guess it's still "fair", yes.mythrol

[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]Then as i already said, if your going to compair a $200 360 to a $400 PS3 then you also need to compair a $200 360 to a $350 360 as it's exactly the same thing.stylesPS3

Poor example. The 360 Pro is only $300. All 360 model have backwards compatibility standard. None of the current PS3 models do. It's seems the Arcade is an all-around more capable gaming system.

like you would compare any two things when you are shopping, you compare similar price points and decide which one has greater value within that price point.stylesPS3

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"] Then as i already said, if your going to compair a $200 360 to a $400 PS3 then you also need to compair a $200 360 to a $350 360 as it's exactly the same thing.stylesPS3

So suspose we did. What changes? (besides the stupid logic involved in comparing a 360 to a 360)

So how is one suspose to be inferior. Different price points, similar product with some added features. Its like the same bike but with different gears. They both do the same thing don't they? Sure one's a little more spiffy but a bike is a bike for general purposes.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="IronBass"] It's still fair to compare them. Not eveybody expect the same from a console. Adding features to the 360 to make it like the PS3 would be under the assumption everyone expects the same. Which is wrong, and because it's wrong, it would also be unfair.ActicEdge

Not really. A foreman grill is meant for cooking. Firewood most likely isn't. They both give heat sure but the firewood generally going to be better at the job than the grill just due to design. Have you ever actually been beside a grill? Not exactly comfortable lol. Anyway, please provide a better comparison. I mean a 360 and a PS3 are both suspose to play games so that comparison already doesn't make sense. No one sits beside a grill for warmth lol.

you go into a store looking for a product.stylesPS3

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] No, its not. Can we compare a forman grill to firewood? both give you heat. except, one requires alot more work and material to get it going. and the other is more expensive. they are different values, and cannot be compared simply due to a result (a result which is different btw just like the 360 and ps3 comparison your making).stylesPS3

Not really. A foreman grill is meant for cooking. Firewood most likely isn't. They both give heat sure but the firewood generally going to be better at the job than the grill just due to design. Have you ever actually been beside a grill? Not exactly comfortable lol. Anyway, please provide a better comparison. I mean a 360 and a PS3 are both suspose to play games so that comparison already doesn't make sense. No one sits beside a grill for warmth lol.

What exactly am I suspose to take from tha comparisson? They obviously contain similar features if they are a similar price. That normally how it works. If the boxes say they do different things maybe I am not looking at the same product or I've wandered to the wrong section cause that makes no sense. If I did my research on the product I want, why would I narrow it down to 2 boxes that say completely different things?

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Not really. A foreman grill is meant for cooking. Firewood most likely isn't. They both give heat sure but the firewood generally going to be better at the job than the grill just due to design. Have you ever actually been beside a grill? Not exactly comfortable lol. Anyway, please provide a better comparison. I mean a 360 and a PS3 are both suspose to play games so that comparison already doesn't make sense. No one sits beside a grill for warmth lol.

What exactly am I suspose to take from tha comparisson? They obviously contain similar features if they are a similar price. That normally how it works. If the boxes say they do different things maybe I am not looking at the same product or I've wandered to the wrong section cause that makes no sense. If I did my research on the product I want, why would I narrow it down to 2 boxes that say completely different things?

because the differences are too obvious.stylesPS3

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]because the differences are too obvious.IronBass

The only major difference I see is the hdd. The rest is negligible...

360 Arcade:

-Plays all 360 games

-Can play online

-Plays movies

-Backwards Compatible

PS3 low end:

-Plays all PS3 games

-Can play online

-Plays movies

-Not Backwards Compatible

I have to say I see people saying how 360 is the cheapest system comparing it to the PS3 and what not.

I mean let's break it down.

for $400 somalians you get an 80 gig hard drive.

Wi-fi

Recharagable Blue-tooth controllers

Blu-ray.

Do these things justify the cost of the PS3. I mean features are important parts of consoles are they not?

Now for $200 dollars you get

an xbox 360

A wireless controller

an internal 256 memory.

Now despite that regardless the 360 still plays games. If your an avid gamer like ourselves here we all know it wouldnt last a week let alone a whole generation without having to delete files and who wants to do that.

In all honest I feel in order to get the full 360 expierience you need a hard drive. I mean Downloadable titles/DLC/ Videos/Music etc. etc.

So in all honest is it fair to compare the $400 dollar PS3 to the $200 dollar 360. When the 360 is severly gimped in features for that price?

Animal-Mother

The $200 Xbox 256 memory is NOT internal. It's a damn memory card. Thing doesn't even have HD chords or a Harddrive. What "internal" memory are you talking about?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] actually alot of people do, but here, i will give you the example, and let you choose any comparison you desire. you go into a store looking for a product. you know there are high end price points and low end. you will take a look at both extremes just to learn more about it, but in your mind you are pretty sure you know which price point you really want or need. -so you narrow it down, you say, this is what i want or need, now the only thing left to do is ask myself "why are these two products the same price, but they say different things" -This is your comparison.stylesPS3

What exactly am I suspose to take from tha comparisson? They obviously contain similar features if they are a similar price. That normally how it works. If the boxes say they do different things maybe I am not looking at the same product or I've wandered to the wrong section cause that makes no sense. If I did my research on the product I want, why would I narrow it down to 2 boxes that say completely different things?

Well I'm at a loss. Let me giveyou a simple example. I have an MP3 player and have habit of destroying headphones. Their are cheap headphones (like $5), medium price (like $50) an expensive like ($100+). I want to listen to music and that's it so stuff like noise cancelling and ear warmth aren't really relevant. Again, I break these often. I compare the 2. The more expensive ones have more features but they are rather irrelevant like I described. I buy the cheap ones. They are serving their purpose. There were difference but the end goal was the same and for MY purpose the cheap ones were fine. For someone else, maybe it would have been different. The major thing was they both play music so any difference beyond that was useless. seeing my point?

The $200 Xbox 256 memory is NOT internal. It's a damn memory card. Thing doesn't even have HD chords or a Harddrive. What "internal" memory are you talking about?

sonicthemegaman

Yes, it is. Now it's 512MB also.

They are serving their purpose. There were difference but the end goal was the same and for MY purpose the cheap ones were fine. For someone else, maybe it would have been different. The major thing was they both play music so any difference beyond that was useless.ActicEdge

Bingo.

That's why we shouldn't add features to the Arcade in order to make it "equal" to the PS3.

Because that would destroy its purpose under the assumption thateveryone expects the same from a console.

Which is false.

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]

The $200 Xbox 256 memory is NOT internal. It's a damn memory card. Thing doesn't even have HD chords or a Harddrive. What "internal" memory are you talking about?

Yes, it is. Now it's 512MB also.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]

The $200 Xbox 256 memory is NOT internal. It's a damn memory card. Thing doesn't even have HD chords or a Harddrive. What "internal" memory are you talking about?

sonicthemegaman

Yes, it is. Now it's 512MB also.

To my knowledge they changed it when the Arcade jumped to 256MB storage. I looked everywhere on one of my friend's Arcade units for a mem card or HDD and I couldn't find. Did some research and found that it's now internal. 360 system resources take approx. 40MB of storage, so it's about 475MB or so of storage space.

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Yes, it is. Now it's 512MB also.

To my knowledge they changed it when the Arcade jumped to 256MB storage. I looked everywhere on one of my friend's Arcade units for a mem card or HDD and I couldn't find. Did some research and found that it's now internal. 360 system resources take approx. 40MB of storage, so it's about 475MB or so of storage space.

Wow so if I bought 360 and ran out memory, could I buy a card for it or do i need a harddrive? Harddrives are still about $100 i pressume?sonicthemegaman

Either. New 60GB hdd is $100. You can find a 20GB used for about $40. I see them all the time at Game Crazy and VGP.

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]

Wow so if I bought 360 and ran out memory, could I buy a card for it or do i need a harddrive? Harddrives are still about $100 i pressume?

Either. New 60GB hdd is $100. You can find a 20GB used for about $40. I see them all the time at Game Crazy and VGP.

how many games could I be able to save on it?sonicthemegaman

Games saves generally require 256KB-1MB. Fallout 3 is the highest requirement with 8MB for game save. So approx. 200-300 games could be saved, or 100 saves and a couple XBLA games.

The major factor to consider is if you want to download maps or demos. COD4 and Halo 3 map packs are about 400MB, so obviously if you play these games online that could be a "problem" if you want in on the servers playing those maps.

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]how many games could I be able to save on it?gamecubepad

Games saves generally require 256KB-1MB. Fallout 3 is the highest requirement with 8MB for game save. So approx. 200-300 games could be saved, or 100 saves and a couple XBLA games.

The major factor to consider is if you want to download maps or demos. COD4 and Halo 3 map packs are about 400MB, so obviously if you play these games online that could be a "problem" if you want in on the servers playing those maps.

Like gamecubepad said, the internal flash is for saves/small XBLA games, not seriously downloads. When you're ready to upgrade get the 60GB Starter Pack.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]because the differences are too obvious.IronBass

but that still doesnt make them comparable.stylesPS3

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]how many games could I be able to save on it?gamecubepad

Games saves generally require 256KB-1MB. Fallout 3 is the highest requirement with 8MB for game save. So approx. 200-300 games could be saved, or 100 saves and a couple XBLA games.

The major factor to consider is if you want to download maps or demos. COD4 and Halo 3 map packs are about 400MB, so obviously if you play these games online that could be a "problem" if you want in on the servers playing those maps.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] but that still doesnt make them comparable.IronBass

I would not compare my iPod Touch to a iPhone overall.

I could compare some functions if i wished, but it is obvious the iPhone would have the added value of being a phone.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] but that still doesnt make them comparable.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] but that still doesnt make them comparable.Irick_cb

I would not compare my iPod Touch to a iPhone overall.

I could compare some functions if i wished, but it is obvious the iPhone would have the added value of being a phone.

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] Since both consoles play a large ammount of quality games, which is their primary function, yes, they are comparable.stylesPS3

I would not compare my iPod Touch to a iPhone overall.

I could compare some functions if i wished, but it is obvious the iPhone would have the added value of being a phone.

I have no clue what you just said :D

Please, lets not go around in circles.stylesPS3

I like how the TC is ignoring all my posts.

-PuLse

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]Please, lets not go around in circles.IronBass

compare a Ferrari with a shopping cart that has an engine while your at it. They can both do the same thing "essentially".stylesPS3

The differences between the PS3 and Arcade are a lot less significant :)

[QUOTE="-PuLse"]

I like how the TC is ignoring all my posts.

Animal-Mother

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Real life isn't an excuse not to be on the internet.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

I have to say I see people saying how 360 is the cheapest system comparing it to the PS3 and what not.

I mean let's break it down.

for $400 somalians you get an 80 gig hard drive.

Wi-fi

Recharagable Blue-tooth controllers

Blu-ray.

Do these things justify the cost of the PS3. I mean features are important parts of consoles are they not?

Now for $200 dollars you get

an xbox 360

A wireless controller

an internal 256 memory.

Now despite that regardless the 360 still plays games. If your an avid gamer like ourselves here we all know it wouldnt last a week let alone a whole generation without having to delete files and who wants to do that.

In all honest I feel in order to get the full 360 expierience you need a hard drive. I mean Downloadable titles/DLC/ Videos/Music etc. etc.

So in all honest is it fair to compare the $400 dollar PS3 to the $200 dollar 360. When the 360 is severly gimped in features for that price?

sonicthemegaman

The $200 Xbox 256 memory is NOT internal. It's a damn memory card. Thing doesn't even have HD chords or a Harddrive. What "internal" memory are you talking about?

I would not compare my iPod Touch to a iPhone overall.Irick_cb

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]compare a Ferrari with a shopping cart that has an engine while your at it. They can both do the same thing "essentially".IronBass

The differences between the PS3 and Arcade are a lot less significant :)

It's the difference between blue ray and DVD.

Some people can see it, others don't.

But the difference is there.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="-PuLse"]

I like how the TC is ignoring all my posts.

Irick_cb

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Real life isn't an excuse not to be on the internet.

But the difference is there.Irick_cb