Is Microsoft trying to sell the PLAYSTATION 4??

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

[QUOTE="lockjaw333"]

This. 100% This.

GOGOGOGURT

Mark Cerny and the PlayStation team started the trend of being open to new talent with the original PlayStation. Sony continues to invest in talent in ways that no other company does. Amazing talent like Naughty Dog and Quantic Dream exist today because Sony saw something in them no one else did. What Sony started with original PlayStation is what modern console gaming has become.

The only thing Sony saw was how much money they lost last gen.  So they played it safe and made a console just like the 360 but with better graphics.  MS had something going there, but their lack of backbone was dissapointing.

The lack of backbone? They had their asses handed to them. People aren't ready for steam (minus the periodic sales) on a console yet.

I've been thinking with all this recent backpedalling...

 

The Xbone started of as an expensive, DRM packed, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, Indie dev hating, television centric box..

 

HOWEVER, in the months that have passed we have seen a complete reversal of the DRM, A new commitment to Indie Devs etc.

Which now makes the X1 just an expensive, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, television centric box.. with external batteries in its controllers.

The question now is.. If Microsoft is going to keep remodelling the X1 more and more to look like a Playstation 4, isn't the REAL underlying message to...

Buy a PS4?

 

You know, the console that got it ALL right from the start with better hardware, Indie dev support, no mandatory cam, no DRM, gaming centric, and by Kaz just darn sleak and well engineered.

I present to you, Microsoft's vision for the Xbox 1. Thank you Microsoft

 

Douevenlift_bro

1. Sony revealed the PS4's console appearance after the XboxOne. And boy did it look nearly identical...excluding the fact that the PS4 looks cheap and the X1 looks like a sturdy beast. It was comforting to hear COWS backtrack on their "DVR VCR" badmouthing.

2. Indie gaming has rarely been good. (with a few exceptions) No brownie points for 8 bit gaming with bad controls and midi format music lollol

3. X1 hardware's been confirmed? Interesting. Do tell.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

I've been thinking with all this recent backpedalling...

 

The Xbone started of as an expensive, DRM packed, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, Indie dev hating, television centric box..

 

HOWEVER, in the months that have passed we have seen a complete reversal of the DRM, A new commitment to Indie Devs etc.

Which now makes the X1 just an expensive, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, television centric box.. with external batteries in its controllers.

The question now is.. If Microsoft is going to keep remodelling the X1 more and more to look like a Playstation 4, isn't the REAL underlying message to...

Buy a PS4?

 

You know, the console that got it ALL right from the start with better hardware, Indie dev support, no mandatory cam, no DRM, gaming centric, and by Kaz just darn sleak and well engineered.

I present to you, Microsoft's vision for the Xbox 1. Thank you Microsoft

 

XboxStache

1. Sony revealed the PS4's console appearance after the XboxOne. And boy did it look nearly identical...excluding the fact that the PS4 looks cheap and the X1 looks like a sturdy beast. It was comforting to hear COWS backtrack on their "DVR VCR" badmouthing.

2. Indie gaming has rarely been good. (with a few exceptions) No brownie points for 8 bit gaming with bad controls and midi format music lollol

3. X1 hardware's been confirmed? Interesting. Do tell.

[QUOTE="XboxStache"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

I've been thinking with all this recent backpedalling...

 

The Xbone started of as an expensive, DRM packed, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, Indie dev hating, television centric box..

 

HOWEVER, in the months that have passed we have seen a complete reversal of the DRM, A new commitment to Indie Devs etc.

Which now makes the X1 just an expensive, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, television centric box.. with external batteries in its controllers.

The question now is.. If Microsoft is going to keep remodelling the X1 more and more to look like a Playstation 4, isn't the REAL underlying message to...

Buy a PS4?

 

You know, the console that got it ALL right from the start with better hardware, Indie dev support, no mandatory cam, no DRM, gaming centric, and by Kaz just darn sleak and well engineered.

I present to you, Microsoft's vision for the Xbox 1. Thank you Microsoft

 

ni6htmare01

1. Sony revealed the PS4's console appearance after the XboxOne. And boy did it look nearly identical...excluding the fact that the PS4 looks cheap and the X1 looks like a sturdy beast. It was comforting to hear COWS backtrack on their "DVR VCR" badmouthing.

2. Indie gaming has rarely been good. (with a few exceptions) No brownie points for 8 bit gaming with bad controls and midi format music lollol

3. X1 hardware's been confirmed? Interesting. Do tell.

Are you trying to sell the X1

To steer clear of stupid people like you is the reason I am buying one.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

 

Mark Cerny and the PlayStation team started the trend of being open to new talent with the original PlayStation. Sony continues to invest in talent in ways that no other company does. Amazing talent like Naughty Dog and Quantic Dream exist today because Sony saw something in them no one else did. What Sony started with original PlayStation is what modern console gaming has become.

HalcyonScarlet

The only thing Sony saw was how much money they lost last gen.  So they played it safe and made a console just like the 360 but with better graphics.  MS had something going there, but their lack of backbone was dissapointing.

The lack of backbone? They had their asses handed to them. People aren't ready for steam (minus the periodic sales) on a console yet.

Still just as bad.

I was originally gonna get both consoles the PS4 and the Xbox One, but Microsoft is really getting on my nerves with their stupid arrogance and dumb idea of forcing Kinect on everyone, I dont use or want no damn Kinect why dont I get the option to buy a Xbox One without the stupid Kinect, If only Microtards would wake up to a reality that makes sense. Owell PS4 and Sony my money is all for you this round.ProjectPat187

I present to you, Sonys vision for the PS4

Thank you MS :cool:

RR360DD

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

I present to you, Sonys vision for the PS4

Thank you MS :cool:

Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="ProjectPat187"]I was originally gonna get both consoles the PS4 and the Xbox One, but Microsoft is really getting on my nerves with their stupid arrogance and dumb idea of forcing Kinect on everyone, I dont use or want no damn Kinect why dont I get the option to buy a Xbox One without the stupid Kinect, If only Microtards would wake up to a reality that makes sense. Owell PS4 and Sony my money is all for you this round.Douevenlift_bro

Still waiting for your response...

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="ProjectPat187"]I was originally gonna get both consoles the PS4 and the Xbox One, but Microsoft is really getting on my nerves with their stupid arrogance and dumb idea of forcing Kinect on everyone, I dont use or want no damn Kinect why dont I get the option to buy a Xbox One without the stupid Kinect, If only Microtards would wake up to a reality that makes sense. Owell PS4 and Sony my money is all for you this round.StormyJoe

Still waiting for your response...

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"][QUOTE="XboxStache"]

 

 

1. Sony revealed the PS4's console appearance after the XboxOne. And boy did it look nearly identical...excluding the fact that the PS4 looks cheap and the X1 looks like a sturdy beast. It was comforting to hear COWS backtrack on their "DVR VCR" badmouthing.

2. Indie gaming has rarely been good. (with a few exceptions) No brownie points for 8 bit gaming with bad controls and midi format music lollol

3. X1 hardware's been confirmed? Interesting. Do tell.

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Great decision my friend!

Douevenlift_bro

Still waiting for your response...

From my post on page #2:

XBox: up to 400% more powerful than PS2. The best looking games on PS2 looked about the same as the best XBox games

PS4: about 30% more powerful than XB1,

So, how exactly, will PS4 games look sooo much better than XB1?

Fanboy or not, damn good thread....for once.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="ni6htmare01"] Look nearly identical?? Beside the color, I don't think so! PS4 looks like the new PS2 but XB1 do look like a cable box or a VCRxboxiphoneps3

Be honest, the same will happen with the PS4's PSEye.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Id like to see proof from TC that NSA backs xbox 1 and that the camera spies. Having MS 'working' with the US government doesn't mean NSA have access to kinect on x1 and its bullsh!t talk like that of the TC that gets other cows rawring for blood.StormyJoe

Be honest, the same will happen with the PS4's PSEye.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] Where have you been lemrat?? How didnt you hear about the NSA spyimg on Skype and gathering all informatiom through there and through Microsoft? Did you also hear about Microsoft saying NSA can spy with Kinect camera but they will fight agressively to try and prevent that. And LOL at people who think the Xb1 looks better, FFS its bigger then the original Xbox 360 and looks like a VCR while Ps4 is just as small as ps3 slim if not smaller Also ps4 more powerful and noticeably smaller and thinnerxboxiphoneps3

Be honest, the same will happen with the PS4's PSEye.

But, neither are most PC cameras, and the NSA can tap into Skype.

I am just saying - blame the US Government, not Microsoft.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

I've been thinking with all this recent backpedalling...

 

The Xbone started of as an expensive, DRM packed, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, Indie dev hating, television centric box..

 

HOWEVER, in the months that have passed we have seen a complete reversal of the DRM, A new commitment to Indie Devs etc.

Which now makes the X1 just an expensive, cam spying, weak hardware packing, NSA sponsored, television centric box.. with external batteries in its controllers.

The question now is.. If Microsoft is going to keep remodelling the X1 more and more to look like a Playstation 4, isn't the REAL underlying message to...

Buy a PS4?

 

You know, the console that got it ALL right from the start with better hardware, Indie dev support, no mandatory cam, no DRM, gaming centric, and by Kaz just darn sleak and well engineered.

I present to you, Microsoft's vision for the Xbox 1. Thank you Microsoft

 

PS4TrumpsXbox1

http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/25/xbox-ones-dev-kit-features-self-publishing-discussed-by-microsoft/

The PS4 requires a $2500 devkit, although it's been reported that they have yet to begin to charge the developers for it. (They've been "lending" them free of charge).

The fact that you can use the XBone as a dev kit is an excellent feature!!!

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows.  They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market.  That's how Xbox came about.  They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony.  Zune was a failed iPod experiment.  Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done.  That's exactly what happened here.  The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows. They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market. That's how Xbox came about. They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony. Zune was a failed iPod experiment. Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done. That's exactly what happened here. The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

-ArchAngeL-777-

I want the other features of the XB1. And, in the long run, I think the cloud will provide a better, more integrated, multiplayer experience.

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows.  They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market.  That's how Xbox came about.  They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony.  Zune was a failed iPod experiment.  Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done.  That's exactly what happened here.  The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

-ArchAngeL-777-

Fanboy or not, damn good thread....for once.

danjammer69

Thank u! :cry:

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Still waiting for your response...

StormyJoe

From my post on page #2:

XBox: up to 400% more powerful than PS2. The best looking games on PS2 looked about the same as the best XBox games

PS4: about 30% more powerful than XB1,

So, how exactly, will PS4 games look sooo much better than XB1?

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows. They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market. That's how Xbox came about. They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony. Zune was a failed iPod experiment. Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done. That's exactly what happened here. The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

StormyJoe

I want the other features of the XB1. And, in the long run, I think the cloud will provide a better, more integrated, multiplayer experience.

MS won't be the only one doing cloud processing.  I know they like to market the cloud like they came up with it, but pretty much everyone is using it.  Its a perfect example of MS trying to put their stamp on an idea they didnt come up with.

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows.  They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market.  That's how Xbox came about.  They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony.  Zune was a failed iPod experiment.  Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done.  That's exactly what happened here.  The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

Douevenlift_bro

haha yes you did.  Great post!

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows. They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market. That's how Xbox came about. They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony. Zune was a failed iPod experiment. Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done. That's exactly what happened here. The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

-ArchAngeL-777-

I want the other features of the XB1. And, in the long run, I think the cloud will provide a better, more integrated, multiplayer experience.

MS won't be the only one doing cloud processing.  I know they like to market the cloud like they came up with it, but pretty much everyone is using it.  Its a perfect example of MS trying to put their stamp on an idea they didnt come up with.

but you said this not too long ago.

"At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?"

how is the xbox one aligning itself with the ps4 as if the ps4 is doing something unique?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]On what child? Im busy rolling around in win :cool:

Douevenlift_bro

From my post on page #2:

XBox: up to 400% more powerful than PS2. The best looking games on PS2 looked about the same as the best XBox games

PS4: about 30% more powerful than XB1,

So, how exactly, will PS4 games look sooo much better than XB1?

LOL! What revisionist history. Go read the reviews of Jak 3 and God Of War. Here, I'll even help you out.

IGN: God Of WarReview:

Like Jak 3, God of War achieves what no PS2 game should by omitting load times almost completely and yet still offering visuals on par with or even surpassing most of those on competing systems.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/03/18/god-of-war?page=2

You cows can't re-invent history.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows. They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market. That's how Xbox came about. They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony. Zune was a failed iPod experiment. Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done. That's exactly what happened here. The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

-ArchAngeL-777-

I want the other features of the XB1. And, in the long run, I think the cloud will provide a better, more integrated, multiplayer experience.

MS won't be the only one doing cloud processing.  I know they like to market the cloud like they came up with it, but pretty much everyone is using it.  Its a perfect example of MS trying to put their stamp on an idea they didnt come up with.

Sure looks like it doesn't it, but i'm pretty sure they are just stupid

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

From my post on page #2:

XBox: up to 400% more powerful than PS2. The best looking games on PS2 looked about the same as the best XBox games

PS4: about 30% more powerful than XB1,

So, how exactly, will PS4 games look sooo much better than XB1?

 

StormyJoe

LOL! What revisionist history. Go read the reviews of Jak 3 and God Of War. Here, I'll even help you out.

IGN: God Of WarReview:

Like Jak 3, God of War achieves what no PS2 game should by omitting load times almost completely and yet still offering visuals on par with or even surpassing most of those on competing systems.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/03/18/god-of-war?page=2

You cows can't re-invent history.

The xbox 400% more powerful than teh PS2...:lol:

My god...

The backgrounds are widely varied, and some of them are even breathtaking. Again, it's the sort of stuff you'd expect from a high-end Xbox title or a great-looking PC game--not something you'd expect from the PlayStation 2 hardware.

http://www.gamespot.com/tekken-5/reviews/tekken-5-review-6119171/?page=2

Gamespot review of Tekken 5 for PS2.

The xbox was more powerful than the PS2,but never as powerful as PR claimed or fanboys like,and to think it had half the memory imagine the PS2 with 64MB like the xbox.

In fact PR claimed 2 times the in game performance of the PS2,not 4 and we all know that was also exagerate.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]You didn't play the same XBox and PS2 I did.

tormentos

LOL! What revisionist history. Go read the reviews of Jak 3 and God Of War. Here, I'll even help you out.

IGN: God Of WarReview:

Like Jak 3, God of War achieves what no PS2 game should by omitting load times almost completely and yet still offering visuals on par with or even surpassing most of those on competing systems.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/03/18/god-of-war?page=2

You cows can't re-invent history.

The xbox 400% more powerful than teh PS2...:lol:

My god...

The backgrounds are widely varied, and some of them are even breathtaking. Again, it's the sort of stuff you'd expect from a high-end Xbox title or a great-looking PC game--not something you'd expect from the PlayStation 2 hardware.

http://www.gamespot.com/tekken-5/reviews/tekken-5-review-6119171/?page=2

Gamespot review of Tekken 5 for PS2.

The xbox was more powerful than the PS2,but never as powerful as PR claimed or fanboys like,and to think it had half the memory imagine the PS2 with 64MB like the xbox.

In fact PR claimed 2 times the in game performance of the PS2,not 4 and we all know that was also exagerate.

Even if the 4X is wrong, and it could be, even you say it is at least 2X more powerful.

So, Tormentos, how then will the PS4 produce game visuals that will blow away the XB1 when the PS4 is about 30% more powerful?

Douevenlift_bro refuses to answer.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]

At the very least it begs the question...if MS keeps changing to align themselves with Sony's stance, why not just go right to the source and buy a PS4?

This is an age old complaint about MS..dating all the way back to the origins of Windows. They are very good at taking what someone has broken into the industry with, and either putting their own spin on it or improving it in some way that better appeals to the mass market. That's how Xbox came about. They brought Live to the equation which improved things, but overall its a console with titles that compete directly with Sony. Zune was a failed iPod experiment. Surface Pro is a great product, but lets face it, its just improving on the tablet concept that Apple made popular with iPad.

Ask them to be the ones to take the lead and break the ice, they can't get it done. That's exactly what happened here. The spotlight got on them with the hot start of 360, and they choked.

-ArchAngeL-777-

I want the other features of the XB1. And, in the long run, I think the cloud will provide a better, more integrated, multiplayer experience.

MS won't be the only one doing cloud processing. I know they like to market the cloud like they came up with it, but pretty much everyone is using it. Its a perfect example of MS trying to put their stamp on an idea they didnt come up with.

You have to have the money to build the cloud. MS's cloud is a lot bigger than Sony's will be for quite some time.

 

Even if the 4X is wrong, and it could be, even you say it is at least 2X more powerful.

So, Tormentos, how then will the PS4 produce game visuals that will blow away the XB1 when the PS4 is about 30% more powerful?

 

Douevenlift_bro refuses to answer.

StormyJoe

The xbox was say to be 2 times more powerful by MS,that had to be taken with a sea of salt.

Is as much as 50% more powerful that mean that the PS4 could have better visuals while having the same frames.

I never say it would blow the xbox one out of the water,but the superior games will be on PS4 for sure,and liek always exclusives games will outshine everything on xbox one.

 

You have to have the money to build the cloud. MS's cloud is a lot bigger than Sony's will be for quite some time.

StormyJoe

Like in sunny days clouds will mean little.

It was a hoax to shove DRM into people,the cloud has little use outside dedicated servers for games (which is great no one can deny that) and serve for nothing to any one who doesn't have online connection,which is one of the reason MS eliminated online require for 24 hour checks.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Even if the 4X is wrong, and it could be, even you say it is at least 2X more powerful.

So, Tormentos, how then will the PS4 produce game visuals that will blow away the XB1 when the PS4 is about 30% more powerful?

Douevenlift_bro refuses to answer.

tormentos

The xbox was say to be 2 times more powerful by MS,that had to be taken with a sea of salt.

Is as much as 50% more powerful that mean that the PS4 could have better visuals while having the same frames.

I never say it would blow the xbox one out of the water,but the superior games will be on PS4 for sure,and liek always exclusives games will outshine everything on xbox one.

I think you and your fellow cows are over exagerating a wee bit. Will multiplats look better? Maybe. I think they will more or less look the same. I don't think exclusives will vary much either - which game looks better will be determined by the developer, not the hardware.

As for the XBox vs PS2, go look at the specs.

http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecsold.php

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

You have to have the money to build the cloud. MS's cloud is a lot bigger than Sony's will be for quite some time.

tormentos

Like in sunny days clouds will mean little.

It was a hoax to shove DRM into people,the cloud has little use outside dedicated servers for games (which is great no one can deny that) and serve for nothing to any one who doesn't have online connection,which is one of the reason MS eliminated online require for 24 hour checks.

It will have little use in single player, unless devs take an online check to use the cloud. However, cloud computing will be able to handle tasks in multiplayer.

 

I think you and your fellow cows are over exagerating a wee bit. Will multiplats look better? Maybe. I think they will more or less look the same. I don't think exclusives will vary much either - which game looks better will be determined by the developer, not the hardware.

As for the XBox vs PS2, go look at the specs.

http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecsold.php

StormyJoe

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

First you need to learn relative performance.

Now this is the 7850 which is a little weaker in flops vs the PS4 GPU, compare with the 7770 which is actually a hair higher in flops than the xbox one GPU.

If you see the performance the 7850 out does the 7770 by a considerable margin while having the same graphics on those test.

So if any game look identical on PS4 and xbox one in the visual department,the PS4 version will have higher frames,so if a game is targed at 30FPS with lots of detail the xbox one version will run probably at 16 or 17 FPS,so to get more frames the xbox version will have to lose some details.

And this is a drop down situation,and am just comparing games done to work on a wide number of GPU,the xbox one will probably peform better than a straight 7770,because developers can target that GPU alone on the console,but that also apply to the PS4 so the different will still be there.

Shame on Microsoft for correcting some of their flaws... Shame on you ms. No take backsies when it comes to cows. They might start a petition with fresh tears on it. The "itz not fair, teh XBone is looking better and better" petition... TheEroica

You can look at it that way..

But the fact is that many of this policies were defended here on Gamespot by lemmings,so now act like is not a 180 is a joke.'

Is very easy to see that the xbox one,has an image problem is not the hip cool console the xbox 360 was,it was seen since the leaks as something sinister,and MS confirmed that this may,and now that people are actually going for the PS4 more than the xbox one they are trying to stop the flood which is totaly understandable no one wants to see its product fail.

If Sony beat the MS in US it would be MS fault for the stupid vision they had and trying to imposse things like they did with xbox live fee,some times gamers say enough it enough..

Shame on Microsoft for correcting some of their flaws... Shame on you ms. No take backsies when it comes to cows. They might start a petition with fresh tears on it. The "itz not fair, teh XBone is looking better and better" petition... TheEroica

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]Shame on Microsoft for correcting some of their flaws... Shame on you ms. No take backsies when it comes to cows. They might start a petition with fresh tears on it. The "itz not fair, teh XBone is looking better and better" petition... tormentos

You can look at it that way..

But the fact is that many of this policies were defended here on Gamespot by lemmings,so now act like is not a 180 is a joke.'

Is very easy to see that the xbox one,has an image problem is not the hip cool console the xbox 360 was,it was seen since the leaks as something sinister,and MS confirmed that this may,and now that people are actually going for the PS4 more than the xbox one they are trying to stop the flood which is totaly understandable no one wants to see its product fail.

If Sony beat the MS in US it would be MS fault for the stupid vision they had and trying to imposse things like they did with xbox live fee,some times gamers say enough it enough..

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

I think you and your fellow cows are over exagerating a wee bit. Will multiplats look better? Maybe. I think they will more or less look the same. I don't think exclusives will vary much either - which game looks better will be determined by the developer, not the hardware.

As for the XBox vs PS2, go look at the specs.

http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecsold.php

tormentos

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

First you need to learn relative performance.

Now this is the 7850 which is a little weaker in flops vs the PS4 GPU, compare with the 7770 which is actually a hair higher in flops than the xbox one GPU.

If you see the performance the 7850 out does the 7770 by a considerable margin while having the same graphics on those test.

So if any game look identical on PS4 and xbox one in the visual department,the PS4 version will have higher frames,so if a game is targed at 30FPS with lots of detail the xbox one version will run probably at 16 or 17 FPS,so to get more frames the xbox version will have to lose some details.

And this is a drop down situation,and am just comparing games done to work on a wide number of GPU,the xbox one will probably peform better than a straight 7770,because developers can target that GPU alone on the console,but that also apply to the PS4 so the different will still be there.

But yes your right, the xb1 gpu will obbviously perform better then a regular hd 7770 due to console optimizations and well just working on a  one set piece of hardware . but same thing can also be said for ps4 ;) console optimization and working on one set piece of hardware will make ps4 gpu perform noticeably better then a hd 7850

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

I think you and your fellow cows are over exagerating a wee bit. Will multiplats look better? Maybe. I think they will more or less look the same. I don't think exclusives will vary much either - which game looks better will be determined by the developer, not the hardware.

As for the XBox vs PS2, go look at the specs.

http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecsold.php

tormentos

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

First you need to learn relative performance.

Now this is the 7850 which is a little weaker in flops vs the PS4 GPU, compare with the 7770 which is actually a hair higher in flops than the xbox one GPU.

If you see the performance the 7850 out does the 7770 by a considerable margin while having the same graphics on those test.

So if any game look identical on PS4 and xbox one in the visual department,the PS4 version will have higher frames,so if a game is targed at 30FPS with lots of detail the xbox one version will run probably at 16 or 17 FPS,so to get more frames the xbox version will have to lose some details.

And this is a drop down situation,and am just comparing games done to work on a wide number of GPU,the xbox one will probably peform better than a straight 7770,because developers can target that GPU alone on the console,but that also apply to the PS4 so the different will still be there.

Look, the difference in measurable performance from 1.2 to 1.8 isn't that great. It just isn't - that's not how the real world works. PS4 games may look a little better, and that's about it. The difference is not as big of a deal you are making it.

All of you cows are going to have to eat so much crow in 3-4 years when your dreams about "vastly superior" PS4 games never comes to fruition.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

I think you and your fellow cows are over exagerating a wee bit. Will multiplats look better? Maybe. I think they will more or less look the same. I don't think exclusives will vary much either - which game looks better will be determined by the developer, not the hardware.

As for the XBox vs PS2, go look at the specs.

http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecsold.php

StormyJoe

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

First you need to learn relative performance.

Now this is the 7850 which is a little weaker in flops vs the PS4 GPU, compare with the 7770 which is actually a hair higher in flops than the xbox one GPU.

If you see the performance the 7850 out does the 7770 by a considerable margin while having the same graphics on those test.

So if any game look identical on PS4 and xbox one in the visual department,the PS4 version will have higher frames,so if a game is targed at 30FPS with lots of detail the xbox one version will run probably at 16 or 17 FPS,so to get more frames the xbox version will have to lose some details.

And this is a drop down situation,and am just comparing games done to work on a wide number of GPU,the xbox one will probably peform better than a straight 7770,because developers can target that GPU alone on the console,but that also apply to the PS4 so the different will still be there.

Look, the difference in measurable performance from 1.2 to 1.8 isn't that great. It just isn't - that's not how the real world works. PS4 games may look a little better, and that's about it. The difference is not as big of a deal you are making it.

All of you cows are going to have to eat so much crow in 3-4 years when your dreams about "vastly superior" PS4 games never comes to fruition.

I havent seen anything on XB1 where it compares to Killzone or Infamous. Ryse looks alright but its extremely linear and they use last gen effects to hide up some things... Still doesnt look near as good as KZ or Infamous

sony always gives what the fans wants, thats what M$ gets for being so obsessed with money.. now its like 70% of xbox360 owners are getting ps4, only xbox fanboys will get xbox1

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

From my post on page #2:

XBox: up to 400% more powerful than PS2. The best looking games on PS2 looked about the same as the best XBox games

PS4: about 30% more powerful than XB1,

So, how exactly, will PS4 games look sooo much better than XB1?

 

StormyJoe

LOL! What revisionist history. Go read the reviews of Jak 3 and God Of War. Here, I'll even help you out.

IGN: God Of WarReview:

Like Jak 3, God of War achieves what no PS2 game should by omitting load times almost completely and yet still offering visuals on par with or even surpassing most of those on competing systems.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/03/18/god-of-war?page=2

You cows can't re-invent history.

When did you start gaming that you need an IGN article as proof of this? :lol: Moron :cool:

Shame on Microsoft for correcting some of their flaws... Shame on you ms. No take backsies when it comes to cows. They might start a petition with fresh tears on it. The "itz not fair, teh XBone is looking better and better" petition... TheEroica

sony always gives what the fans wants, thats what M$ gets for being so obsessed with money.. now its like 70% of xbox360 owners are getting ps4, only xbox fanboys will get xbox1

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