Is Microsoft trying to sell the PLAYSTATION 4??

Didnt know the X1 was going with external batteries, thats definitely a bonus. Not sure why anyone would actually want a crappy built in li-ion battery?

BeardMaster

Because they're not crappy. They're nice and recharge and last for many years. 

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

First you need to learn relative performance.

Now this is the 7850 which is a little weaker in flops vs the PS4 GPU, compare with the 7770 which is actually a hair higher in flops than the xbox one GPU.

If you see the performance the 7850 out does the 7770 by a considerable margin while having the same graphics on those test.

So if any game look identical on PS4 and xbox one in the visual department,the PS4 version will have higher frames,so if a game is targed at 30FPS with lots of detail the xbox one version will run probably at 16 or 17 FPS,so to get more frames the xbox version will have to lose some details.

And this is a drop down situation,and am just comparing games done to work on a wide number of GPU,the xbox one will probably peform better than a straight 7770,because developers can target that GPU alone on the console,but that also apply to the PS4 so the different will still be there.

xboxiphoneps3

Look, the difference in measurable performance from 1.2 to 1.8 isn't that great. It just isn't - that's not how the real world works. PS4 games may look a little better, and that's about it. The difference is not as big of a deal you are making it.

All of you cows are going to have to eat so much crow in 3-4 years when your dreams about "vastly superior" PS4 games never comes to fruition.

I havent seen anything on XB1 where it compares to Killzone or Infamous. Ryse looks alright but its extremely linear and they use last gen effects to hide up some things... Still doesnt look near as good as KZ or Infamous

Is TitanFall out? Last I checked, it was almost a year away from release. And it's 1.2, not 1.1. Plus, I seem to remember reading that the SRAM can compensate for the lower raw flop numbers. I don't think Killzone or Infamous look any better than Ryse. Sorry, I think you have your fanboy goggles on.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

Didnt know the X1 was going with external batteries, thats definitely a bonus. Not sure why anyone would actually want a crappy built in li-ion battery?

clr84651

Because they're not crappy. They're nice and recharge and last for many years.

My 360 came with a removable battery pack for my controllers... Like these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG08D1850&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-Xbox+360+Accessories-_-9SIA0PG08D1850

sony always gives what the fans wants, thats what M$ gets for being so obsessed with money.. now its like 70% of xbox360 owners are getting ps4, only xbox fanboys will get xbox1

blamix99

always? remember the early ps3 days?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]You didn't play the same XBox and PS2 I did.

Douevenlift_bro

LOL! What revisionist history. Go read the reviews of Jak 3 and God Of War. Here, I'll even help you out.

IGN: God Of WarReview:

Like Jak 3, God of War achieves what no PS2 game should by omitting load times almost completely and yet still offering visuals on par with or even surpassing most of those on competing systems.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/03/18/god-of-war?page=2

You cows can't re-invent history.

When did you start gaming that you need an IGN article as proof of this? :lol: Moron :cool:

So... me providing a link to prove my case is somehow indicative of my knowledge of the gaming industry? It's better to just spout out baseless arguments like so many cows do? :roll:

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Look, the difference in measurable performance from 1.2 to 1.8 isn't that great. It just isn't - that's not how the real world works. PS4 games may look a little better, and that's about it. The difference is not as big of a deal you are making it.

All of you cows are going to have to eat so much crow in 3-4 years when your dreams about "vastly superior" PS4 games never comes to fruition.

 

StormyJoe

I havent seen anything on XB1 where it compares to Killzone or Infamous. Ryse looks alright but its extremely linear and they use last gen effects to hide up some things... Still doesnt look near as good as KZ or Infamous

Is TitanFall out? Last I checked, it was almost a year away from release. And it's 1.2, not 1.1. Plus, I seem to remember reading that the SRAM can compensate for the lower raw flop numbers. I don't think Killzone or Infamous look any better than Ryse. Sorry, I think you have your fanboy goggles on.

And it doesnt matter, a "next gen console" should not be struggling to run a Source engine game at 60 fps at sub 1080p... There is quite a difference already in ps4 game graphics vs xb1. 

Forza 5 uses tons of lens flare/HDR to cover up last gen effects implemented in the game... Poor physics and static lighting and static backgrounds is what Turn 10 had to do to get 60 fps on Forza 5, and not even all parts of Forza 5 run at 60 fps LOL...

go away delusional lemrat

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] You can compare paper specs because these consoles are extremely similar and use the same CPU and same GCN GPU. And its 1.84 vs 1.1 teraflops... 740 gigaflop difference which is pretty big. Evidence shows itself, XB1 struggling to run Titanfall(source engine game) at 60 fps and sub 1080p resolution with counter strike source like textures and effects

I havent seen anything on XB1 where it compares to Killzone or Infamous. Ryse looks alright but its extremely linear and they use last gen effects to hide up some things... Still doesnt look near as good as KZ or Infamous

xboxiphoneps3

Is TitanFall out? Last I checked, it was almost a year away from release. And it's 1.2, not 1.1. Plus, I seem to remember reading that the SRAM can compensate for the lower raw flop numbers. I don't think Killzone or Infamous look any better than Ryse. Sorry, I think you have your fanboy goggles on.

And it doesnt matter, a "next gen console" should not be struggling to run a Source engine game at 60 fps at sub 1080p... There is quite a difference already in ps4 game graphics vs xb1.

Forza 5 uses tons of lens flare/HDR to cover up last gen effects implemented in the game... Poor physics and static lighting and static backgrounds is what Turn 10 had to do to get 60 fps on Forza 5, and not even all parts of Forza 5 run at 60 fps LOL...

go away delusional lemrat

I am glad to hear you work at Crytek. Please, tell me more about the coding principles of Ryse.

And exactly how many PS4 games were running at 60FPS @1080p? Oh yeah, none.

You look at the PS4 through rose colored glasses. I only hope you stick around for the next few years so I can point back to threads like these to show you who the "delusional" person here is.

With Microsoft trying to "RE-Introduce" the X1, this thread is more relevant than ever.

I expect them to just unveil a PS4 :lol::lol::lol:

With Microsoft trying to "RE-Introduce" the X1, this thread is more relevant than ever.

 

I expect them to just unveil a PS4 :lol::lol::lol:

Douevenlift_bro

seems more like a 360 than a ps4. what's so original about the ps4 that ms is "copying"?

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

With Microsoft trying to "RE-Introduce" the X1, this thread is more relevant than ever.

 

I expect them to just unveil a PS4 :lol::lol::lol:

CaseyWegner

seems more like a 360 than a ps4. what's so original about the ps4 that ms is "copying"?

shortsighted isnt the word.   for all the ms backpeddling and reversals, the console has yet to be seen or felt by 99.9 percent of the buying community.     I mean the TC is a complete dope to think that Microsoft is done, or not going to be a big player this gen.    

shortsighted isnt the word.   for all the ms backpeddling and reversals, the console has yet to be seen or felt by 99.9 percent of the buying community.     I mean the TC is a complete dope to think that Microsoft is done, or not going to be a big player this gen.    

XBOunity

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

With Microsoft trying to "RE-Introduce" the X1, this thread is more relevant than ever.

 

I expect them to just unveil a PS4 :lol::lol::lol:

Douevenlift_bro

seems more like a 360 than a ps4. what's so original about the ps4 that ms is "copying"?

like what?

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

seems more like a 360 than a ps4. what's so original about the ps4 that ms is "copying"?

CaseyWegner

like what?

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

shortsighted isnt the word.   for all the ms backpeddling and reversals, the console has yet to be seen or felt by 99.9 percent of the buying community.     I mean the TC is a complete dope to think that Microsoft is done, or not going to be a big player this gen.    

Douevenlift_bro

yeah im sure soccer moms are voting, and thats 125 k and knowing sony fanboys since they are so pathetic they probably voted 10 x's.   Did you vote 100 x's??   I bet you did...   stop trying so hard 

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

shortsighted isnt the word.   for all the ms backpeddling and reversals, the console has yet to be seen or felt by 99.9 percent of the buying community.     I mean the TC is a complete dope to think that Microsoft is done, or not going to be a big player this gen.    

XBOunity

yeah im sure soccer moms are voting, and thats 125 k and knowing sony fanboys since they are so pathetic they probably voted 10 x's.   Did you vote 100 x's??   I bet you did...   stop trying so hard 

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]http://www.xboxonevspsfour.com/

Douevenlift_bro

yeah im sure soccer moms are voting, and thats 125 k and knowing sony fanboys since they are so pathetic they probably voted 10 x's.   Did you vote 100 x's??   I bet you did...   stop trying so hard 

vote again bro hurry :lol:

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]and the 360 took from PS2. In essence, Sony went back to their heritage, Microsoft is following suit :lol:

Douevenlift_bro

like what?

i have a vendetta against sony? :|

it was a simple question. was "Gamer centric, dev friendly." really your answer?

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

like what?

CaseyWegner

i have a vendetta against sony? :|

it was a simple question. was "Gamer centric, dev friendly." really your answer?

X1 launched as a television centric, indie game ignoring box. So, yes. That is my answer young chap

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]:lol: You crazy? Gamer centric, dev friendly. I'm shocked you're going this far with your silly vendetta against Sony

Douevenlift_bro

i have a vendetta against sony? :|

it was a simple question. was "Gamer centric, dev friendly." really your answer?

X1 launched as a television centric, indie game ignoring box. So, yes. That is my answer young chap

um...no? i've said many times that i'm not getting an xbox one, i've criticized it, and i've said that the ps4 would be my first choice. :|

then shouldn't this post be something more like "is microsoft trying to sell the nintendo entertainment system?"

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i have a vendetta against sony? :|

it was a simple question. was "Gamer centric, dev friendly." really your answer?

CaseyWegner

X1 launched as a television centric, indie game ignoring box. So, yes. That is my answer young chap

um...no? i've said many times that i'm not getting an xbox one, i've criticized it, and i've said that the ps4 would be my first choice. :|

then shouldn't this post be something more like "is microsoft trying to sell the nintendo entertainment system?"

Microsoft's Xbox 1 is becoming more similar to the competition which is PS4. Is that correct or not?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Oh sure. You're always on the forums defending MS every move, guarding that goal post like a faithful goal keeper arent ya ;)

X1 launched as a television centric, indie game ignoring box. So, yes. That is my answer young chap

Douevenlift_bro

um...no? i've said many times that i'm not getting an xbox one, i've criticized it, and i've said that the ps4 would be my first choice. :|

then shouldn't this post be something more like "is microsoft trying to sell the nintendo entertainment system?"

Microsoft's Xbox 1 is becoming more similar to the competition which is PS4. Is that correct or not?

what fanboyism? yours?

no. it's becoming more similar to its forerunner.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

um...no? i've said many times that i'm not getting an xbox one, i've criticized it, and i've said that the ps4 would be my first choice. :|

then shouldn't this post be something more like "is microsoft trying to sell the nintendo entertainment system?"

CaseyWegner

Microsoft's Xbox 1 is becoming more similar to the competition which is PS4. Is that correct or not?

what fanboyism? yours?

no. it's becoming more similar to its forerunner.

Its forerunner which was a PS2 with proper online at launch. Sure you wanna go there? Stick to this new gen.

If MS CARED about the original 360 so much, they would've released that with a new coat of paint. But they didn't... Hence the competition forcing them to be like them or fail.

This is true..

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Fanboyism aside, the truth is..

Microsoft's Xbox 1 is becoming more similar to the competition which is PS4. Is that correct or not?

Douevenlift_bro

what fanboyism? yours?

no. it's becoming more similar to its forerunner.

Its forerunner which was a PS2 with proper online at launch. Sure you wanna go there? Stick to this new gen.

If MS CARED about the original 360 so much, they would've released that with a new coat of paint. But they didn't... Hence the competition forcing them to be like them or fail.

This is true..

how am i a fanboy?

why should i stick to this generation when the better example is from a prior generation?

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

what fanboyism? yours?

no. it's becoming more similar to its forerunner.

CaseyWegner

Its forerunner which was a PS2 with proper online at launch. Sure you wanna go there? Stick to this new gen.

If MS CARED about the original 360 so much, they would've released that with a new coat of paint. But they didn't... Hence the competition forcing them to be like them or fail.

This is true..

how am i a fanboy?

why should i stick to this generation when the better example is from a prior generation?

Either way its a losing battle if you wanna go that route.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Yours aswell.

Its forerunner which was a PS2 with proper online at launch. Sure you wanna go there? Stick to this new gen.

If MS CARED about the original 360 so much, they would've released that with a new coat of paint. But they didn't... Hence the competition forcing them to be like them or fail.

 

This is true..

Douevenlift_bro

how am i a fanboy?

why should i stick to this generation when the better example is from a prior generation?

Either way its a losing battle if you wanna go that route.

if it's a better example, why did you make your thread about the ps4 and not the ps2? how is the xb1 more similar to a sony system than the 360?

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

how am i a fanboy?

why should i stick to this generation when the better example is from a prior generation?

CaseyWegner

Either way its a losing battle if you wanna go that route.

if it's a better example, why did you make your thread about the ps4 and not the ps2? how is the xb1 more similar to a sony system than the 360?

If that wasn't the case, you'd have your voice controlled remote/halo DRM box.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]http://www.xboxonevspsfour.com/

Douevenlift_bro

yeah im sure soccer moms are voting, and thats 125 k and knowing sony fanboys since they are so pathetic they probably voted 10 x's.   Did you vote 100 x's??   I bet you did...   stop trying so hard 

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

yeah im sure soccer moms are voting, and thats 125 k and knowing sony fanboys since they are so pathetic they probably voted 10 x's.   Did you vote 100 x's??   I bet you did...   stop trying so hard 

xboxiphoneps3

[QUOTE="super600"]

No!Stop acting cocky cows.

Douevenlift_bro

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

No!Stop acting cocky cows.

Nengo_Flow

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Because an even better example would be from the generation prior to the previous generation: PS2.

Either way its a losing battle if you wanna go that route.

Douevenlift_bro

if it's a better example, why did you make your thread about the ps4 and not the ps2? how is the xb1 more similar to a sony system than the 360?

If that wasn't the case, you'd have your voice controlled remote/halo DRM box.

or maybe they're reverting to what worked for them before. they're not taking out the kinect features.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if it's a better example, why did you make your thread about the ps4 and not the ps2? how is the xb1 more similar to a sony system than the 360?

CaseyWegner

If that wasn't the case, you'd have your voice controlled remote/halo DRM box.

or maybe they're reverting to what worked for them before. they're not taking out the kinect features.

Its quite funny really.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Because to make it relevant, MS is makign these moves only because the PS4 is more popular than the X1.

If that wasn't the case, you'd have your voice controlled remote/halo DRM box.

Douevenlift_bro

or maybe they're reverting to what worked for them before. they're not taking out the kinect features.

Its quite funny really.

what does that have to do with what you've been saying?

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

or maybe they're reverting to what worked for them before. they're not taking out the kinect features.

CaseyWegner

Its quite funny really.

what does that have to do with what you've been saying?

I have to agree, MS is trying to make Xbox One like PS4.

Everyone prefers PS4 this time around so MS wants to be like PS4.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]and their doing that because? That's right PS4 is more popular.

Its quite funny really.

Douevenlift_bro

what does that have to do with what you've been saying?

it would be nice if you could stick to one argument instead of flip flopping like ms with the xb1.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

what does that have to do with what you've been saying?

CaseyWegner

it would be nice if you could stick to one argument instead of flip flopping like ms with the xb1.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Everything.

Douevenlift_bro

it would be nice if you could stick to one argument instead of flip flopping like ms with the xb1.

you're still in evasion mode. i'm asking very simple questions here.

Remaining steps for M$ to finish making a PS4:

1. Remove Kinect

2. Beef up the specs

3. Drop price to $399

4. Bundle a headset

5. Make old headsets compatible

6. Add $2000 worth of value to XBL per year

7. Include built in battery packs and charge cables with their controller

8. Removable/upgradable hard drive

9. Internal power brick

10. Change name to PS4 lite

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it would be nice if you could stick to one argument instead of flip flopping like ms with the xb1.

CaseyWegner

you're still in evasion mode. i'm asking very simple questions here.

MS thus far has reverted on the X1 original vision to be similar to the compatition in order to attain lost interest. Facts.

Remaining steps for M$ to finish making a PS4:

1. Remove Kinect

2. Beef up the specs

3. Drop price to $399

4. Bundle a headset

5. Make old headsets compatible

6. Add $2000 worth of value to XBL per year

7. Include built in battery packs and charge cables with their controller

8. Removable/upgradable hard drive

9. Internal power brick

10. Change name to PS4 lite

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]You can stop crying now, go home. Major Nelson apparently said its not real

Douevenlift_bro

you're still in evasion mode. i'm asking very simple questions here.

MS thus far has reverted on the X1 original vision to be similar to the compatition in order to attain lost interest. Facts.

link?

Remaining steps for M$ to finish making a PS4:

1. Remove Kinect

2. Beef up the specs

3. Drop price to $399

4. Bundle a headset

5. Make old headsets compatible

6. Add $2000 worth of value to XBL per year

7. Include built in battery packs and charge cables with their controller

8. Removable/upgradable hard drive

9. Internal power brick

10. Change name to PS4 lite

NathanDrakeSwag

that's a lot of steps.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you're still in evasion mode. i'm asking very simple questions here.

CaseyWegner

MS thus far has reverted on the X1 original vision to be similar to the compatition in order to attain lost interest. Facts.

link?

You need a link to know MS has dropped DRM, welcomed indie devs and taken other steps?

You need a link for that? Go home.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]You're not. You're upset.. and won't face the facts.

MS thus far has reverted on the X1 original vision to be similar to the compatition in order to attain lost interest. Facts.

Douevenlift_bro

link?

You need a link to know MS has dropped DRM, welcomed indie devs and taken other steps?

You need a link for that? Go home.

no. i'd like a link that says they're changing to be more like the competition. you said it was a fact. the reality is that the product is more similar to the 360 than the ps4.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

link?

CaseyWegner

You need a link to know MS has dropped DRM, welcomed indie devs and taken other steps?

You need a link for that? Go home.

no. i'd like a link that says they're changing to be more like the competition. you said it was a fact. the reality is that the product is more similar to the 360 than the ps4.

So infact, more like a PS2 would've been more accurate. Even Sony is making PS4 more like a PS2 :cool:

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Go find em yourself.

You need a link to know MS has dropped DRM, welcomed indie devs and taken other steps?

You need a link for that? Go home.

Douevenlift_bro

no. i'd like a link that says they're changing to be more like the competition. you said it was a fact. the reality is that the product is more similar to the 360 than the ps4.

So infact, more like a PS2 would've been more accurate. Even Sony is making PS4 more like a PS2 :cool:

again, how is the xb1 more similar to a sony system than the 360? you keep dodging this.

What?

No. Xbox One is way more future proofed than the PS4. 

MS had hoped people were ready for the future, they were not apparently. Even though you got Ouya, rumored Steambox, maybe Google and Apple offerings as well. So they were flexible and changed their policy. Good for them and good for us.

As far the indie devs, Xbox 360 had a robust indie presence. Just because they didn't announce when you all wanted them to announce their plans, you all freaked out. And when they finally do announce their plans, you say their copying.

This is just crazy. Xbox One is going to be great. Just like the PS4.