Is Naughty Dog....

No. They are damn good developers, but they're not up there with those big boys.

Though I predict in the future they just may be...

They are indeed one of the best studios in the gaming world at the moment.

Not yet....But their track record is amazing.

Why do we all act like they are amazing after only Uncharted 2 being received favorably? 1 wasn't considered in the same league as 2(although personally I loved it) and most of those studies you mention have more than one series that have a strong fan base. with that said I thinkit's very possible but then again Uncharted 3 could always flop :(

Nope. But they be pretty good.

Why do we all act like they are amazing after only Uncharted 2 being received favorably? 1 wasn't considered in the same league as 2(although personally I loved it) and most of those studies you mention have more than one series that have a strong fan base. with that said I thinkit's very possible but then again Uncharted 3 could always flop :(

dovberg

Its not just UC2.... their past games were also very good on the PS1,PS2,PS3. They also made a few games before the PS1, but I never got to play those.

Not up there with Bioware or Valve. I think that both Rockstar and Blizzard are overrated however, so I'd say they're at least on par with those two.

I'd say they're pretty good but they aren't up with the top dogs... yet.

Not yet....But their track record is amazing.

GTSaiyanjin2

Why do we all act like they are amazing after only Uncharted 2 being received favorably? 1 wasn't considered in the same league as 2(although personally I loved it) and most of those studies you mention have more than one series that have a strong fan base. with that said I thinkit's very possible but then again Uncharted 3 could always flop :(

dovberg

Is Naughty Dog a developer up there with developers like Valve, Blizzard, Bioware, and Rockstar? I mean I really enjoyed Uncharted 2 which I played again, (more then SC2 because it felt like an extremely ploished version of SC). Also checked gamerankings, Uc 2 being the 6th highest rated game of all time, followed by I believe the Orange Box by valve. The difference I believe Between ND and and above mentioned developers is that they in some way, shape or form contrubted to the gaming industry... thoughts?dracolich55

They are up there with Rockstar and Bioware, but they are not even touching the 3 Elite - Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo. Its a insult to compare these revolutionary companies to the likes of any other developer.

Absolutely yes.

UC3 is a regrettable perfection

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]Is Naughty Dog a developer up there with developers like Valve, Blizzard, Bioware, and Rockstar? I mean I really enjoyed Uncharted 2 which I played again, (more then SC2 because it felt like an extremely ploished version of SC). Also checked gamerankings, Uc 2 being the 6th highest rated game of all time, followed by I believe the Orange Box by valve. The difference I believe Between ND and and above mentioned developers is that they in some way, shape or form contrubted to the gaming industry... thoughts?Lucianu

They are up there with Rockstar and Bioware, but they are not even touching the 3 Elite - Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo. Its a insult to compare these revolutionary companies to the likes of any other developer.

Naughty Dog is a studio full of extremely talented devs, and they have a great sense of humor as well. I've loved every game I've played of theirs, whcih includes the Jaks (less the racing game) and the Uncharteds.

The only Valve games I like are Portal 1 and 2, but I do like them very much. I like how they support their games, so even if I don't like all their games, their support is a big plus for them.

I don't play Blizzard games, as they are just not games I care for.

Rockstar this gen has been largely mediocre in everything except for presentation. The gameplay of GTA IV was dreadful, and RDR was just so boring. My favorite game by them is probably The Warriors, which was very good.

All in all, I'd take a ND game over any of the other studios on that list.

Oh yeah, I forgot Bioware was on that list. I don't know why though. I enjoyed the little I've played of ME1 on PC, but that's about it. I didn't like the demo for 2 on PS3, and I abslolutely despised the demo for DA II. They need more talent in the gameplay department.

ME1I plays pretty good on PC though, so hopefully 2 follows suit.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]Is Naughty Dog a developer up there with developers like Valve, Blizzard, Bioware, and Rockstar? I mean I really enjoyed Uncharted 2 which I played again, (more then SC2 because it felt like an extremely ploished version of SC). Also checked gamerankings, Uc 2 being the 6th highest rated game of all time, followed by I believe the Orange Box by valve. The difference I believe Between ND and and above mentioned developers is that they in some way, shape or form contrubted to the gaming industry... thoughts?gameplaycontrol

They are up there with Rockstar and Bioware, but they are not even touching the 3 Elite - Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo. Its a insult to compare these revolutionary companies to the likes of any other developer.

I would never consider someone good just because of how long they have been competitive.

I consider Nintendo good beecause of their quality realeases.

I would never consider someone good just because of how long they have been competitive.

I consider Nintendo good beecause of their quality realeases.

commonfate

And their impact. Wen i'm thinking about a company that stands tall above everyone els i'm going to consider what they did, as a whole, not just wen it comes to gaming. For me, the differentiation between a elite company and a normal company is what they do and succeed to do beyond making games. Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo had a giant part in molding the gaming world we have today, each in their own category.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

They are up there with Rockstar and Bioware, but they are not even touching the 3 Elite - Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo. Its a insult to compare these revolutionary companies to the likes of any other developer.

commonfate

I would never consider someone good just because of how long they have been competitive.

I consider Nintendo good beecause of their quality realeases.

Yes definetly.

Crash 1,2,3

Jak & daxter

Uncharted 1,2

All of the games above are superb.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]Is Naughty Dog a developer up there with developers like Valve, Blizzard, Bioware, and Rockstar? I mean I really enjoyed Uncharted 2 which I played again, (more then SC2 because it felt like an extremely ploished version of SC). Also checked gamerankings, Uc 2 being the 6th highest rated game of all time, followed by I believe the Orange Box by valve. The difference I believe Between ND and and above mentioned developers is that they in some way, shape or form contrubted to the gaming industry... thoughts?gameplaycontrol

They are up there with Rockstar and Bioware, but they are not even touching the 3 Elite - Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo. Its a insult to compare these revolutionary companies to the likes of any other developer.

Yes definetly.

Crash 1,2,3

Jak & daxter

Uncharted 1,2

All of the games above are superb.

lucky_star

Making a couple of good games doesn't put you with Valve Blizzard or Nintendo. Naughty Dog is a good dev, but they haven't even done nearly enough to be considered with the likes of Nintendo VBlizzard or Valve.

[QUOTE="commonfate"]I would never consider someone good just because of how long they have been competitive.I consider Nintendo good beecause of their quality realeases.Lucianu

Making a couple of good games doesn't put you with Valve Blizzard or Nintendo. Naughty Dog is a good dev, but they haven't even done nearly enough to be considered with the likes of Nintendo VBlizzard or Valve.

FoolwithaLancer

I also forgot about id Software, they are definitely a elite dev. that can stand tall with the 3 mentioned. I guess people will argue that they didn't do enough this generation, but once we see how RAGE is doing, maybe that'll end all argument.

Not yet. But if they continue great games, they can.

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Yes definetly.

Crash 1,2,3

Jak & daxter

Uncharted 1,2

All of the games above are superb.

FoolwithaLancer

Making a couple of good games doesn't put you with Valve Blizzard or Nintendo. Naughty Dog is a good dev, but they haven't even done nearly enough to be considered with the likes of Nintendo VBlizzard or Valve.

Valve? Sure, because they suck.

BioWare? Sure, because they're so goddamn inconsistent, and lately, mediocre as all hell.

But Rockstar and Blizzard? Naughty Dog isn't good enough to clean the s*** out of their toilets, much less stand toe to toe with them. Hell, Bungie is a better studio.

http://viptop.2ch.tc/img/viptop06365.gif [QUOTE="commonfate"]

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"] Nintendo has been in the game for 20+ years. It's not fair to compare anyone to Nintendogameplaycontrol

I would never consider someone good just because of how long they have been competitive.

I consider Nintendo good beecause of their quality realeases.

I don't say they don't have that but I wouldn't assume they are good now because they were good then. Thankfully they are.

What I mean is something close to this. Ford has made good and reliable cars in the past. As much as I want to always trust their brand I won't.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Yes definetly.

Crash 1,2,3

Jak & daxter

Uncharted 1,2

All of the games above are superb.

gameplaycontrol

Making a couple of good games doesn't put you with Valve Blizzard or Nintendo. Naughty Dog is a good dev, but they haven't even done nearly enough to be considered with the likes of Nintendo VBlizzard or Valve.

K, They made one fantastic game that got a lot of awards. Rockstar made 3. Valves made 4. Blizzards made either 3 or 4. Nintendos made a **** ton.

Plus, like I said, making a couple good games and one fantastic one isn't close to enough to get you with the Likes of Valve Ninty and Blizzard. Not even Rockstar.

every one will give you Nintendo Elaborate on Valve and Blizzard though. Thanksgameplaycontrol

Blizzard - Created the hack - slash RPG genre, evolved and revolutionized the RTS genre with Warcraft, popularized it beyond that and created the most succesful E-sports with Starcraft, the DOTA mod built on Warcraft 3 created a new genre (the MOBA genre), were the first US developers to make a game on the SNES, revolutionized the MMO genre with WoW, created Battle.net, Starcraft II. Ben in the industry for 20 years.

Valve - Evolved the FPS genre beyond Doom with HL, brought the boys that built the CS mod and improved on it making it the most popular FPS on the PC, same thing with Team Fortress, evolved both of them with CSS and Team Fortress 2, created Steam which is the most succesful and popular DD in existence, made Portal 1 & 2, Left4Dead 1&2, Half Life 2, created one of the most popular engines ever - The Source Engine, which made a massive mark on the modding community to this day. Ben in the industry for 15 years.

Like i said, their impact is what defines them, wen i'm thinking about a dev. that stands tall above any other developer, i'm thinking about what they did and succeed at doing beyond making games.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"]http://viptop.2ch.tc/img/viptop06365.gif [QUOTE="commonfate"]

I would never consider someone good just because of how long they have been competitive.

I consider Nintendo good beecause of their quality realeases.

commonfate

I don't say they don't have that but I wouldn't assume they are good now because they were good then. Thankfully they are.

What I mean is something close to this. Ford has made good and reliable cars in the past. As much as I want to always trust their brand I won't.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

They are up there with Rockstar and Bioware, but they are not even touching the 3 Elite - Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo. Its a insult to compare these revolutionary companies to the likes of any other developer.

GTSaiyanjin2

They are half way there.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

Making a couple of good games doesn't put you with Valve Blizzard or Nintendo. Naughty Dog is a good dev, but they haven't even done nearly enough to be considered with the likes of Nintendo VBlizzard or Valve.

FoolwithaLancer

K, They made one fantastic game that got a lot of awards. Rockstar made 3. Valves made 4. Blizzards made either 3 or 4. Nintendos made a **** ton.

Plus, like I said, making a couple good games and one fantastic one isn't close to enough to get you with the Likes of Valve Ninty and Blizzard. Not even Rockstar.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

K, They made one fantastic game that got a lot of awards. Rockstar made 3. Valves made 4. Blizzards made either 3 or 4. Nintendos made a **** ton.

Plus, like I said, making a couple good games and one fantastic one isn't close to enough to get you with the Likes of Valve Ninty and Blizzard. Not even Rockstar.

gameplaycontrol

Blizzard, Nintendo and Valve made their mark beyond making games.

What mark did Naughty Dog achieve beyond making games? I love the Crash Bandicoot series by the way. I'm playing that series right now, since i didn't play it in its time. They made ageless masterpieces, that is fact. But they did nothing beyond making games.

Hope you now understand a different point of view, that which i also have myself.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"]talk about an under statement. Naughty Dog is an amazing developer and they have crafted some amazing games. For example Uncharted 2 is the sixth highest rated game and went on to recieve over 50+ awards across nearly every aspect of game development. Not just that but it was as equally as received/praised/loved by the fans p.s lol your just parrot'ing what lucianu said. gameplaycontrol

K, They made one fantastic game that got a lot of awards. Rockstar made 3. Valves made 4. Blizzards made either 3 or 4. Nintendos made a **** ton.

Plus, like I said, making a couple good games and one fantastic one isn't close to enough to get you with the Likes of Valve Ninty and Blizzard. Not even Rockstar.

K. You enjoyed there games. Let's look at there scores on MC.

Crash:75 Metacritic

Crash 2:87

Crash 3:91

Crash Racing :88

Jak:90

Jak2:87

Jak3:84

Jakracing:76

Uncharted1:88

Uncharted2:96

So, 1 AAAA, 2 AAA, 5 AA, And an A makes Naught dog with the likes of Valve?

Valve

Half Life 1:96

Half Life 2:96

TF2:92

L4D:89

Portal:90

L4D2:89

Portal2:95

Day of Defeat Source :81

So, 3 AAAA, 2 AAA and3 AA?

Naught Dog is nowhere close to Valve. Or Blizzard. Or even Rockstar.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]K, They made one fantastic game that got a lot of awards. Rockstar made 3. Valves made 4. Blizzards made either 3 or 4. Nintendos made a **** ton.Plus, like I said, making a couple good games and one fantastic one isn't close to enough to get you with the Likes of Valve Ninty and Blizzard. Not even Rockstar.Lucianu

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]K, They made one fantastic game that got a lot of awards. Rockstar made 3. Valves made 4. Blizzards made either 3 or 4. Nintendos made a **** ton.Plus, like I said, making a couple good games and one fantastic one isn't close to enough to get you with the Likes of Valve Ninty and Blizzard. Not even Rockstar.FoolwithaLancer

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"][QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"]you know not what you speak of lol Crash Bandicoot was AWESOME back in the day. It's a bonafied classic And Jak and Daxter is one of the most loved video game series of all time These weren't just good games here. These were awesome games for their timegameplaycontrol

And many many many more have enjoyed Blizzard Valve and Rockstar games.

A lot of people bring up history, but history is only good for nostalgia.

It's a "what have you done for me lately" thing, imo.

A dev is only as good as their last game.

For Valve and Blizzard, it seems that is still very good.

For Bioware and Rockstar, not so much.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

K, They made one fantastic game that got a lot of awards. Rockstar made 3. Valves made 4. Blizzards made either 3 or 4. Nintendos made a **** ton.

Plus, like I said, making a couple good games and one fantastic one isn't close to enough to get you with the Likes of Valve Ninty and Blizzard. Not even Rockstar.

FoolwithaLancer

K. You enjoyed there games. Let's look at there scores on MC.

Crash:75 Metacritic

Crash 2:87

Crash 3:91

Crash Racing :88

Jak:90

Jak2:87

Jak3:84

Jakracing:76

Uncharted1:88

Uncharted2:96

So, 1 AAAA, 2 AAA, 5 AA, And an A makes Naught dog with the likes of Valve?

Valve

Half Life 1:96

Half Life 2:96

TF2:92

L4D:89

Portal:90

L4D2:89

Portal2:95

Day of Defeat Source :81

So, 3 AAAA, 2 AAA and3 AA?

Naught Dog is nowhere close to Valve. Or Blizzard. Or even Rockstar.

I understood that point of view before you even mentioned it. And its not something that im arguing I totally agreed with your last post. Valve and blizzard have the long storied history. They've had the experience. They've achieved things beyond making games over the years. P.s you never know 10 years from now people could be looking back on ND and saying some of the same things . As of right now their track record has been nothing short of amazing and is spotlessgameplaycontrol

Naughty Dog is pretty old themselfs, i guess if they continue they'll be one of the GOATs. Now that i think about it their track record on all platforms have extreme similarities. Look at their trilogyes on all platforms.

1 one in the series - good, but not that great

2 one in the series - pretty damn incredible

3 one in the series - magnificience.

I can't speak for the PS2 era, but that's the case for the PS1 & PS3 era.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]K. You enjoyed there games. FoolwithaLancer

And many many many more have enjoyed Blizzard Valve and Rockstar games.