Is Nintendo looking out for hardcore gamers?

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"]All the scared lemkids and cowpokes in here LOL. wow nintendo has over 10 hardcore franchioses. disaster hammer and ocean are new. god this is hilariousliljio14

so y u have a wii

God damn, do people expect a lot from Nintendo. People want them to not only make consoles, not only make franchise games, but create new IPs, create mature titles, create hardcore and casual titles, handle both a home and handheld division... It's like they have to single-handedly develop a game for every type of gamer out there.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.jg4xchamp

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

Cooking Mama sold less than 50,000 units! Big Brain Acadamy: Wii Degree sold less than 150,000 units! Super Paper Mario sold 700,000, Zelda for Wii sold 2,000,000 not including the Gamecube version. If nintendo sees that their "hardcore" titles are selling, they will never stop creating them and making more IPs like Pikmin, Disaster, HAMMER, Battalion Wars, and more.

(these sales figures are in America only)

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.Gamer46

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Same old, same old. Where are the new franchises for the hardcore? No where to be found because Nintendo would rather make Wii Fit.

Last I heard Disaster and Project Hammer are on the backburner so more casual crap can be made. Endless Ocean I don't know much about, so I'll give you that one. And why mention AC, BW, and Pikmin? I'm not talking about GC I'm talking about Wii. And with the way Miyamoto has been talking lately like his ramblings at GDC, I'm sure his new ip will be nothing more than non-gamer crap. Something along the lines of Wii Fit.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.Gamer46

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

Cooking Mama sold less than 50,000 units! Big Brain Acadamy: Wii Degree sold less than 150,000 units! Super Paper Mario sold 700,000, Zelda for Wii sold 2,000,000 not including the Gamecube version. If nintendo sees that their "hardcore" titles are selling, they will never stop creating them and making more IPs like Pikmin, Disaster, HAMMER, Battalion Wars, and more.

(these sales figures are in America only)

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

Last I heard Disaster and Project Hammer are on the backburner so more casual crap can be made. Endless Ocean I don't know much about, so I'll give you that one. And why mention AC, BW, and Pikmin? I'm not talking about GC I'm talking about Wii. And with the way Miyamoto has been talking lately like his ramblings at GDC, I'm sure his new ip will be nothing more than non-gamer crap. Something along the lines of Wii Fit.

Gamer46

you would be mistaken. Hammer was put on hold to help development with Disaster. Animal Crossing and Battalion Wars only have 1 game out on a console. And Pikmin only has 2. I guess the Halo Franchise is old and dried out by its 3rd instalment :roll:

If you expect Nintendo to bring a truck load of new IP's in the matter of 8 Months you are one sad person.

That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

Gamer46

Last time I checked Disaster is being made by Monolith Soft.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.Gamer46

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

Cooking Mama sold less than 50,000 units! Big Brain Acadamy: Wii Degree sold less than 150,000 units! Super Paper Mario sold 700,000, Zelda for Wii sold 2,000,000 not including the Gamecube version. If nintendo sees that their "hardcore" titles are selling, they will never stop creating them and making more IPs like Pikmin, Disaster, HAMMER, Battalion Wars, and more.

(these sales figures are in America only)

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.V-a-i-z-a-r-d

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

Cooking Mama sold less than 50,000 units! Big Brain Acadamy: Wii Degree sold less than 150,000 units! Super Paper Mario sold 700,000, Zelda for Wii sold 2,000,000 not including the Gamecube version. If nintendo sees that their "hardcore" titles are selling, they will never stop creating them and making more IPs like Pikmin, Disaster, HAMMER, Battalion Wars, and more.

(these sales figures are in America only)

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

I read it at nintendojo.com a few months back that it was rumored that Hammer and Disaster were RUMORED to be on indefinite hold. Again, rumor, but where there's smoke, there's fire and I've seen nothing on these games in ages. And Wii Fit is one game, but released not too long ago was crap likeBrain Age,Wario Ware and Mario Party and you know that Nintendogs garbage is on the way. A Cooking Mama sequel was just announced today. Enough of these games. Give me something witha littlesubstance. Mario Strikers isn't exactly hardcore, but at least it's a casual game that can be enjoyed by all.

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

Gamer46

I think it is time for you to get informed. Wii Fit is being done by EAD which is Nintendo's main development team. They are the guys that make Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, and tons more. That development team has over 150 people on it. No more than 20 are working on Wii Fit as it does not require the time or effort as a full blown game like Super Mario Galaxy takes.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.jg4xchamp

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

Cooking Mama sold less than 50,000 units! Big Brain Acadamy: Wii Degree sold less than 150,000 units! Super Paper Mario sold 700,000, Zelda for Wii sold 2,000,000 not including the Gamecube version. If nintendo sees that their "hardcore" titles are selling, they will never stop creating them and making more IPs like Pikmin, Disaster, HAMMER, Battalion Wars, and more.

(these sales figures are in America only)

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

Well, I have never called Nintendo trash. Mario Party, yes, Wario Ware, yes. Nintendo as a developer? No. When they make a real game they do a great job, everybody who's not a fanboy knows that.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

kansasdude2009

I think it is time for you to get informed. Wii Fit is being done by EAD which is Nintendo's main development team. They are the guys that make Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, and tons more. That development team has over 150 people on it. No more than 20 are working on Wii Fit as it does not require the time or effort as a full blown game like Super Mario Galaxy takes.

I know who's making Wii Fit, and I don't care how few are working on it, that time could be better spent making a game that actually is good. I guess I wouldn't care so much if they'd give me more info on the games I want to play. Reggie keeps saying they're making games for everybody. Well then do me a favor and don't spend 2 minutes on MP 3 then go on and talk about Wii Fit for 20. That doesn't prove your point.

I read it at nintendojo.com a few months back that it was rumored that Hammer and Disaster were RUMORED to be on indefinite hold. Again, rumor, but where there's smoke, there's fire and I've seen nothing on these games in ages. And Wii Fit is one game, but released not too long ago was crap likeBrain Age,Wario Ware and Mario Party and you know that Nintendogs garbage is on the way. A Cooking Mama sequel was just announced today. Enough of these games. Give me something witha littlesubstance. Mario Strikers isn't exactly hardcore, but at least it's a casual game that can be enjoyed by all.

Gamer46

The original Brain Age was done by a group of 10 people. I dont know about the Wii: Degree... but I bet its little more than the original. Mario Party is handled by Hudson soft. a 2nd party developer. Nintendogs was also done by a small portion of EAD, the development team I told you about earlier. Wario Ware is done by Inteligent Systems, the makers of Fire Emblem, Paper Mario, and Advanced Wars.

I fear that the Wii is just going to become a big DS.

- You will have your same Nintendo franchises people have been enjoying in the past , then the system will see a couple of uber selling casual games that push hardware , then a few good-quirky third party games that make good use of the hardware. Deep , good third party games will be very scarce like always with Nintendo platforms. I personally feel that Nintendo will do very little to lead the way with new hardcore IPs.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

You're absolutely right, Nintendo's hardcore games do own. You're not going to get an argument from me, Nintendo is the greatest developer in the history of the industry imo. Twilight Princess, a phenomenal game was considered a disappointment by quite a few. When that's a disappointment, you know you're good. Prime 3, Galaxy and Brawl all look awesome. So I don't see what you're trying to prove here, I know Nintendo is great. Igrew up playing their games.That's why I get disgusted when I hear something like Disaster is put on hold for something like Wii Fit.

Gamer46

I think it is time for you to get informed. Wii Fit is being done by EAD which is Nintendo's main development team. They are the guys that make Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, and tons more. That development team has over 150 people on it. No more than 20 are working on Wii Fit as it does not require the time or effort as a full blown game like Super Mario Galaxy takes.

I know who's making Wii Fit, and I don't care how few are working on it, that time could be better spent making a game that actually is good. I guess I wouldn't care so much if they'd give me more info on the games I want to play. Reggie keeps saying they're making games for everybody. Well then do me a favor and don't spend 2 minutes on MP 3 then go on and talk about Wii Fit for 20. That doesn't prove your point.

So... 130 people working on Super Mario Galaxy and 20 people on Wii Fit doesn't prove that Nintendo is more focused upon its "core" franchises? Not to mention that you just accused the developers of Project Hammer and Disaster of dropping their jobs to go work on Wii Fit!

Nintendo openly admitted that their E3 press conference was aimed toward the non-gamer. The event was much smaller and more "media friendly" than ever. Putting Wii Fit at the top of their priorities they instantly became best of show to most all Media Outlets. What company would not want that? Not to mention that they also announced Mario Kart Wii.

I fear that the Wii is just going to become a big DS.

- You will have your same Nintendo franchises people have been enjoying in the past , then the system will see a couple of uber selling casual games that push hardware , then a few good-quirky third party games that make good use of the hardware. Deep , good third party games will be very scarce like always with Nintendo platforms. I personally feel that Nintendo will do very little to lead the way with new hardcore IPs.

diggyzoom

DS's Line-up for the rest of the year -

Advance Wars DS2, Zelda PH, Tingle RPG, Front mission 1st, Dragon Quest Monsters Joker, Heroes of Mana, FF12 Revenant Wings, Anno 1701 DOD, Rune Factory, Sonic Rush Adventure, Ninja Gaiden DS, Contra 4, Panzer Tactics, Phonix Wright Trials and Tribulations, Geometry Wars Galaxies, Professor Layton and the curious village.

Not to mention DQ9 and Its a Wonderful World + TONS MORE in 2008

god I hope the Wii Turns out like the DS!

Well, I have never called Nintendo trash. Mario Party, yes, Wario Ware, yes. Nintendo as a developer? No. When they make a real game they do a great job, everybody who's not a fanboy knows that.

Gamer46

I completely understand your point on Mario Party... it is complete trash.

But Wario Ware not only got AAA here, but is also so hardcore that it is not afraid to show grandmas with underarm hair eating an apple with fake teeth that you just inserted into her mouth!

(I am going to use the word hardcore a lot in this post. Please keep in mind that a hardcore game is any game that targets a more mature audience and has deeper involved gameplay. Examples include Zleda:TP, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Mario Galaxy and any game with similar depth of gameplay as those) Wasdie

A hardcore game targets any audience and the gameplay does not have to be deep. Examples: halo, gta3+, ssbm.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Last I heard Disaster and Project Hammer are on the backburner so more casual crap can be made. Endless Ocean I don't know much about, so I'll give you that one. And why mention AC, BW, and Pikmin? I'm not talking about GC I'm talking about Wii. And with the way Miyamoto has been talking lately like his ramblings at GDC, I'm sure his new ip will be nothing more than non-gamer crap. Something along the lines of Wii Fit.

kansasdude2009

you would be mistaken. Hammer was put on hold to help development with Disaster. Animal Crossing and Battalion Wars only have 1 game out on a console. And Pikmin only has 2. I guess the Halo Franchise is old and dried out by its 3rd instalment :roll:

If you expect Nintendo to bring a truck load of new IP's in the matter of 8 Months you are one sad person.

Honestly some of you people are acting ridiculous.

Last gen sony had a huge casual fanbase and the result was singstar, buzz and eyetoy. Nintendo now has the casuals so they make games that appeal to that market. Why are people using warioware and mario party as arguments that they are focusing on casuals? Those franchises have been around since the N64. They have always sold well too so I don't what that has to do with anything.

Distaster has not been put on hold and even if it was I highly doubt that a JRPG dev would start making casual games. Nintendo have said anything about their 2008 software. Maybe theyre choosing to focus on their games coming out this year maybe :roll:

Why do you all think your so much better than these casuals andthink nintendoshould ignore them and focus all their attention and money on you.

I only buy about 5-7 games a year and for that number thereis plenty of core software to satisfy me. maybe you all need to get out more.

Last gen sony had a huge casual fanbase and the result was singstar, buzz and eyetoy. Nintendo now has the casuals so they make games that appeal to that market. Why are people using warioware and mario party as arguments that they are focusing on casuals? Those franchises have been around since the N64. They have always sold well too so I don't what that has to do with anything.

---OkeyDokey---

The "PS2 had lots of casual games too" argument comes up alot. What it overlooks, is the fact that while there were many casual games on ps2, there were ALSO more hardcore games on that system than any other in the history of time. If Ninty could strike that balance this time around, that would be fine....but they aren't so far. The lineup is becoming more and more overwhelmingly casual, and Ninty still doesn't seem to be attracting 3rd party devs nearly as well as PS2 did.

I also don't think we're being as "high and mighty" as you make it seem. If anything, we're looking out for casuals who don't know better when they stumble upon and buy these awful games that have been produced just for the purpose of preying on them. It's their loss, and we don't like it.

[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]

Last gen sony had a huge casual fanbase and the result was singstar, buzz and eyetoy. Nintendo now has the casuals so they make games that appeal to that market. Why are people using warioware and mario party as arguments that they are focusing on casuals? Those franchises have been around since the N64. They have always sold well too so I don't what that has to do with anything.

whoisryanmack

The "PS2 had lots of casual games too" argument comes up alot. What it overlooks, is the fact that while there were many casual games on ps2, there were ALSO more hardcore games on that system than any other in the history of time. If Ninty could strike that balance this time around, that would be fine....but they aren't so far. The lineup is becoming more and more overwhelmingly casual, and Ninty still doesn't seem to be attracting 3rd party devs nearly as well as PS2 did.

I also don't think we're being as "high and mighty" as you make it seem. If anything, we're looking out for casuals who don't know better when they stumble upon and buy these awful games that have been produced just for the purpose of preying on them. It's their loss, and we don't like it.

[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]

Last gen sony had a huge casual fanbase and the result was singstar, buzz and eyetoy. Nintendo now has the casuals so they make games that appeal to that market. Why are people using warioware and mario party as arguments that they are focusing on casuals? Those franchises have been around since the N64. They have always sold well too so I don't what that has to do with anything.

whoisryanmack

The "PS2 had lots of casual games too" argument comes up alot. What it overlooks, is the fact that while there were many casual games on ps2, there were ALSO more hardcore games on that system than any other in the history of time. If Ninty could strike that balance this time around, that would be fine....but they aren't so far. The lineup is becoming more and more overwhelmingly casual, and Ninty still doesn't seem to be attracting 3rd party devs nearly as well as PS2 did.

Yes because the PS2 had SOOOO many hardcore games as opposed to casual games/shovelware in its first 9 months on the market...

Street Fighter EX37.4, DrumMania7.7, Ridge Racer V7.6Eternal Ring6.3, Kessen7.4, Stepping Selection7.0, Tekken Tag Tournament9.6, Driving Emotion Type-S7.3, Swing Away Golf8.7 , I.Q. Remix+: Intelligent Qube6.0, Fantavision6.6Q-Ball Billiards Master6.6, 0 Story5.8, FIFA 20019.0, Ultimate Sky Surfer3.9, Evergrace5.2, All Star Pro-Wrestling4.0, Hresvelgr3.5, Dynasty Warriors 27.8, Ephemeral Fantasia5.7, Gungriffon Blaze7.6, Armored Core 27.8, TVDJ2.5. Gekikuukan Pro Baseball: The End of the Century 19993.7, G-Saviour5.0, SSX9.4, The Mechsmith: Run=Dim4.5, Silpheed: The Lost Planet6.8, Smuggler's Run8.0, Madden NFL 20019.1, Midnight Club: Street Racing8.4, Unreal Tournament8.2, TimeSplitters8.4, X-Squad5.3, Surfing H3O4.8, Silent Scope4.6, ESPN International Track & Field8.1, MotoGP8.0, DOA2: Hardcore8.9, Orphen: Scion of Sorcery6.7, NHL 20018.0, Summoner7.7, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 28.0, ESPN Winter X-Games Snowboarding6.4, NFL GameDay 20015.8, NASCAR 20017.6 , Sky Odyssey8.3, Gradius III and IV6.3, Dance Summit 2001: Bust A Move7.1Real Pool5.4, Super Bust-A-Move5.4, Wild Wild Racing6.0

AAA 4

AA 11

A 11

Sub A- 26

btw those 4 AAA games are Tekken Tag, Fifa 2001, SSX, Madden NFL 2001 not exactly what the PS2 was known for or hardcore in any sense of the word (save Tekken Tag depending on who u ask). and besides u wanna compare THIS catalog to its competiton at the time??? (the dreamcast for those of you who may not remember)

so plz at least give the Wii SOME chance of catching up to the ps2 or at least compare what each side offered in the same timespan.

and the answer to this question is that NINTENDO hasnt abandoned the hardcore, u will see sheep show the more traditional games that nintendo is making as opposed to non traditional, but as for other devs who ARE making more casual/shovelware games as opposed to "hardcore" well u can blame nintendo altho it wouldnt make much sense.

The wii is the new ps2.

I hope. :D

The wii is the new ps2.

I hope. :D

Foolz3h

uhhh no, it would actually have to have GOOD GAMES and appeal to everyone .

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

I do not view the Wii as a primary gaming console.

Having said that, the Wii fills its role as a secondary distraction quite nicely.

Wasdie

Exactly. That is disapointing. Nintendo has always been a front runner. Sure they missed last gen, but they could have easily bounced back. Especially with the Wii-Mote. Yet they won't realize the value of online play or graphics and have turned what could have been the biggest innovation in gaming history into a secondary console. That is a shame.

They did bounce back.....they have sold 10 million consoles in 10 months which is the most out of any next gen console right now. You cant deny these simple statistics which tell us the Wii is the most popular console in the world. Nintendo Wii is the biggest innovation in gaming history, so far.

Its not a secondary console, that is your opinion. Right now there are 5% casual games and 95% hardcore games on the Wii. So I have no idea why this thread was created.....

So what in the heck are you talking about? Everything you said in your post are just blind lies because you dont want to face reality that Nintendo has bounced back and won the console war already.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]

Last gen sony had a huge casual fanbase and the result was singstar, buzz and eyetoy. Nintendo now has the casuals so they make games that appeal to that market. Why are people using warioware and mario party as arguments that they are focusing on casuals? Those franchises have been around since the N64. They have always sold well too so I don't what that has to do with anything.

King__Kobra

The "PS2 had lots of casual games too" argument comes up alot. What it overlooks, is the fact that while there were many casual games on ps2, there were ALSO more hardcore games on that system than any other in the history of time. If Ninty could strike that balance this time around, that would be fine....but they aren't so far. The lineup is becoming more and more overwhelmingly casual, and Ninty still doesn't seem to be attracting 3rd party devs nearly as well as PS2 did.

Yes because the PS2 had SOOOO many hardcore games as opposed to casual games/shovelware in its first 9 months on the market...

Street Fighter EX37.4, DrumMania7.7, Ridge Racer V7.6Eternal Ring6.3, Kessen7.4, Stepping Selection7.0, Tekken Tag Tournament9.6, Driving Emotion Type-S7.3, Swing Away Golf8.7 , I.Q. Remix+: Intelligent Qube6.0, Fantavision6.6Q-Ball Billiards Master6.6, 0 Story5.8, FIFA 20019.0, Ultimate Sky Surfer3.9, Evergrace5.2, All Star Pro-Wrestling4.0, Hresvelgr3.5, Dynasty Warriors 27.8, Ephemeral Fantasia5.7, Gungriffon Blaze7.6, Armored Core 27.8, TVDJ2.5. Gekikuukan Pro Baseball: The End of the Century 19993.7, G-Saviour5.0, SSX9.4, The Mechsmith: Run=Dim4.5, Silpheed: The Lost Planet6.8, Smuggler's Run8.0, Madden NFL 20019.1, Midnight Club: Street Racing8.4, Unreal Tournament8.2, TimeSplitters8.4, X-Squad5.3, Surfing H3O4.8, Silent Scope4.6, ESPN International Track & Field8.1, MotoGP8.0, DOA2: Hardcore8.9, Orphen: Scion of Sorcery6.7, NHL 20018.0, Summoner7.7, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 28.0, ESPN Winter X-Games Snowboarding6.4, NFL GameDay 20015.8, NASCAR 20017.6 , Sky Odyssey8.3, Gradius III and IV6.3, Dance Summit 2001: Bust A Move7.1Real Pool5.4, Super Bust-A-Move5.4, Wild Wild Racing6.0

AAA 4

AA 11

A 11

Sub A- 26

btw those 4 AAA games are Tekken Tag, Fifa 2001, SSX, Madden NFL 2001 not exactly what the PS2 was known for or hardcore in any sense of the word (save Tekken Tag depending on who u ask). and besides u wanna compare THIS catalog to its competiton at the time??? (the dreamcast for those of you who may not remember)

so plz at least give the Wii SOME chance of catching up to the ps2 or at least compare what each side offered in the same timespan.

and the answer to this question is that NINTENDO hasnt abandoned the hardcore, u will see sheep show the more traditional games that nintendo is making as opposed to non traditional, but as for other devs who ARE making more casual/shovelware games as opposed to "hardcore" well u can blame nintendo altho it wouldnt make much sense.

I wasn't comparing within the same time frame, that wasn't the point of what I said. I only said that it would be ok to have massive amounts of shovelware IF and ONLY IF you have lots of other great things for hardcores. Wii doesn't have that right now, so it's not ok. That's all. Wii's upcoming lineup doesn't look to be focusing on the hardcores any more than its current one. Also remember, that scores means nothing when it comes to whats hardcore and whats shovelware.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]I'm also disappointed. I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but.. Nintendo is shifting their target audience and not expanding it.Wasdie

I would be great if they focused on both audiences, not just one.

its sad because i was at work today and this old lady was like i love the Wii and i asked her what games and she just was like the bowling game and just general games...... nintendo really has made a Tiger product this time.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]I'm also disappointed. I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but.. Nintendo is shifting their target audience and not expanding it.xboxps2cube

I would be great if they focused on both audiences, not just one.

its sad because i was at work today and this old lady was like i love the Wii and i asked her what games and she just was like the bowling game and just general games...... nintendo really has made a Tiger product this time.

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

ELDDJOC

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

ELDDJOC

Well, every console has its place.

[QUOTE="ELDDJOC"]

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

afmsquid

Well, every console has its place.

they'll still have some games that cater to the hardcore gamers, but i think that their main focus is on new and casual gamers

who can blame them though? they had to change something to continue competing with sony and M$

and their plan is working, so they're obviously gonna keep going along with route .. it makes business sense

[QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="ELDDJOC"]

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

V-a-i-z-a-r-d

Well, every console has its place.

Yes, 360 and PS3 are last place in sales, but that's what you get when soccer mom's, kids, and senior citizens buy a product in mass quantity. I guess that would put hamburgers in first place.

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="ELDDJOC"]

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

afmsquid

Well, every console has its place.

Yes, 360 and PS3 are last place in sales, but that's what you get when soccer mom's, kids, and senior citizens buy a product in mass quantity. I guess that would put hamburgers in first place.

[QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="ELDDJOC"]

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

V-a-i-z-a-r-d

Well, every console has its place.

Yes, 360 and PS3 are last place in sales, but that's what you get when soccer mom's, kids, and senior citizens buy a product in mass quantity. I guess that would put hamburgers in first place.

Name calling is so childish, oh, wait, you're a sheep, guess I can't blame you for your comment then.:)

[QUOTE="xboxps2cube"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]I'm also disappointed. I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but.. Nintendo is shifting their target audience and not expanding it.V-a-i-z-a-r-d

I would be great if they focused on both audiences, not just one.

its sad because i was at work today and this old lady was like i love the Wii and i asked her what games and she just was like the bowling game and just general games...... nintendo really has made a Tiger product this time.

Says a guy that plays Wario LOL! No this is about the Wii's target audience, not mygaming preference, and besides I own a 360 and PS3 why do I need a family system? You posting this is also a sign of weakness, yes you have sales, no you dont have the right audience to warrant too many hardcore games, Nintendo's fate with hardcore ultimately falls into nintendo hands, will they appeal to the many older people and keep making fun family games, or will they step in and make some more hard core games, yes you will get hardcore games but how many? and how frequent.

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="ELDDJOC"]

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

afmsquid

Well, every console has its place.

Yes, 360 and PS3 are last place in sales, but that's what you get when soccer mom's, kids, and senior citizens buy a product in mass quantity. I guess that would put hamburgers in first place.

Name calling is so childish, oh, wait, you're a sheep, guess I can't blame you for your comment then.:)

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

I do not view the Wii as a primary gaming console.

Having said that, the Wii fills its role as a secondary distraction quite nicely.

Wasdie

Exactly. That is disapointing. Nintendo has always been a front runner. Sure they missed last gen, but they could have easily bounced back. Especially with the Wii-Mote. Yet they won't realize the value of online play or graphics and have turned what could have been the biggest innovation in gaming history into a secondary console. That is a shame.

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]I'm also disappointed. I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but.. Nintendo is shifting their target audience and not expanding it.xboxps2cube

I would be great if they focused on both audiences, not just one.

its sad because i was at work today and this old lady was like i love the Wii and i asked her what games and she just was like the bowling game and just general games...... nintendo really has made a Tiger product this time.

Says a guythat plays Wario LOL! No this is about theWii's target audience, not mygaming preference, and besides Iown a 360 and PS3 why do I need a family system? You posting this is also a sign of weakness, yes you have sales, no you dont have the right audience to warrant too many hardcore games, Nintendo's fate with hardcore ultimately falls into nintendo hands, will they appeal to the many older people andkeep making fun family games, or will theystep in and make some more hard core games, yes you will get hardcore games but how many? and how frequent.

[QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="ELDDJOC"]

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

V-a-i-z-a-r-d

Well, every console has its place.

Yes, 360 and PS3 are last place in sales, but that's what you get when soccer mom's, kids, and senior citizens buy a product in mass quantity. I guess that would put hamburgers in first place.

Name calling is so childish, oh, wait, you're a sheep, guess I can't blame you for your comment then.:)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

I do not view the Wii as a primary gaming console.

Having said that, the Wii fills its role as a secondary distraction quite nicely.

goldplus

Exactly. That is disapointing. Nintendo has always been a front runner. Sure they missed last gen, but they could have easily bounced back. Especially with the Wii-Mote. Yet they won't realize the value of online play or graphics and have turned what could have been the biggest innovation in gaming history into a secondary console. That is a shame.

your a scared lemming. you think the only people who buy it are non gamers

V-a-i-z-a-r-d

Really? That's what I think huh, can you also read the minds of other people? Oh, by the way, I do own a Wii, bought it for my wife. I guess since I bought the Wii, I'm a non gamer.

[QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="V-a-i-z-a-r-d"][QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="ELDDJOC"]

The Wii, or better known as Gamecube Version 1.6, is not created for HC gamers.

It is more of a casual, kiddy/mummy and daddy play together machine.

Its great for elderly people, children and various sports wannabes.

goldplus

Well, every console has its place.

Yes, 360 and PS3 are last place in sales, but that's what you get when soccer mom's, kids, and senior citizens buy a product in mass quantity. I guess that would put hamburgers in first place.

Name calling is so childish, oh, wait, you're a sheep, guess I can't blame you for your comment then.:)

Worse, they still haven't learned that they will sell even more systems if the online gaming was there, again missing another hardcore route, face it, Its Nintendovs. all the Tiger Electronics Division, and then there is traditional consoles a laM$ division vs. Sony Division this is how I see it IMO