Is online cheating such a bad thing?

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"][QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

THIS.... is the problem with society...

It's like having something stolen from you.... and someone says it's your fault for not locking it up.

Or I punch someone in the face and the judge blames the person I hit for not having his face out of the way of my fist.

I suppose its the devs fault that people download their games from the internet too, right?

Cheaters are losers that have no skill.

PSdual_wielder

I think you're talking about COD4 here. In this case I can tell you that the devs aren't going to care about this game anymore, don't expect IW to make anymore patches, in fact don't expect activision to even allow them to do that. :P

Yea course online cheating is a bad thing. The main thing that should be a priority in online gaming is fairness, honesty and consideration for other players.siLVURcross

Yea course online cheating is a bad thing. The main thing that should be a priority in online gaming is fairness, honesty and consideration for other players.siLVURcross

^^This

[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]i think the people that only play to win are worse then cheaters. pick your favorite care not the one thats the fastest. dont just throw grandes in a shooter come out and fight like the other team.ViewtifulScott

If you aren't playing to win, then why the hell are you playing a competitive game in the first place? Are you competing for second place? Does a boxer show up for a match with the intention of losing a close bout? Does a baseball team set it's goal as being the third or fourth place team in their division? NO. They play to win. If you aren't playing to win, then stick to playing games one on one with similarly skilled friends and stay out of the broader competitive pool, and stop whining because you aren't as good at the game. People are going to be better than you at a lot fo things in life, get used to it.

The game has sold 10+ million copies and your telling me the devs can't make a patch with a better matchmaking system? Sonwhy

I think you're talking about COD4 here. In this case I can tell you that the devs aren't going to care about this game anymore, don't expect IW to make anymore patches, in fact don't expect activision to even allow them to do that. :P

Here's a perfect example cheating. I am going to use the videogame NHL 09.

In NHL 09, EA came out with a online mode that embedded Be-A-Pro and the Online Team Play from NHL 08. The result was the EA Sports Hockey League which literally allowed NHL 09 to run away with the competition last year regarding sport games. Over the course of the game's lifespan, players began to find ways to shoot the puck in order to increase their goal scoring. To a degree they are simple dekes and dangle moves which throw off the AI of the goaltender. Of course that's what happens when a player dangles; yet there are specifics shot which have an 80% chance of going in. The players call these shots glitch goals and curve shots. Again these are simple exploits which are primitive compared to what cheating is being done in FPS games.

But there was one actual cheat that was far beyond primitive. It was the 99 Glitch. There were individuals who had the ability to max out each of their player's attributes to 99(making your player an 99 overall) which isn't possible(since the highest overall is within the 80s). By January 2009 about 95% of players had done this. Later on a patch came out preventing the 99 glitch, as well as being more critical with penalties.

In NHL 09 what prevents a cheater from scoring? A team that knows how to play real hockey. A solid defensive pair can keep the score low, and puck passing forwards find their team scoring more. You should see how crazy some division 1 teams are in the EASHL on the forecheck.

Why not? Unless the reason is MW2Sonwhy

Of course, what else are they ALLOWED to do? lol

Activision is nothing more than a bunch jerks picking their noses and counting money 9am every morning.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"][QUOTE="GuywithNoName"]

^^This

slvrraven9

i think the people that only play to win are worse then cheaters. pick your favorite care not the one thats the fastest. dont just throw grandes in a shooter come out and fight like the other team.bayareahusla

You play to win the game

Enlighten me. What other reason do you play besides winning? Even when losing your learning how to win. You play to win the game.

i think the people that only play to win are worse then cheaters. pick your favorite care not the one thats the fastest. dont just throw grandes in a shooter come out and fight like the other team.bayareahusla

If you aren't playing to win, then why the hell are you playing a competitive game in the first place? Are you competing for second place? Does a boxer show up for a match with the intention of losing a close bout? Does a baseball team set it's goal as being the third or fourth place team in their division? NO. They play to win. If you aren't playing to win, then stick to playing games one on one with similarly skilled friends and stay out of the broader competitive pool, and stop whining because you aren't as good at the game. People are going to be better than you at a lot fo things in life, get used to it.

I don't know all the details involved with baseball but if someone else hits for another person I would assume the person that hit the ball gets the credit.Sonwhy

But you still didn't answer my question. Does the other player who can't hit a baseball to save his life, that this hypotetical roided out substitute hitter is hitting in place of, have any skill? Yes or no, please.

yes, just because you suck at the game at first does not mean you go off and cheat, you play more and get better.:evil:

You play to win the game

Enlighten me. What other reason do you play besides winning? Even when losing your learning how to win. You play to win the game.

The__Havoc

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"][QUOTE="GuywithNoName"]

^^This

HarlockJC

[QUOTE="ViewtifulScott"]

[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]i think the people that only play to win are worse then cheaters. pick your favorite care not the one thats the fastest. dont just throw grandes in a shooter come out and fight like the other team.bayareahusla

If you aren't playing to win, then why the hell are you playing a competitive game in the first place? Are you competing for second place? Does a boxer show up for a match with the intention of losing a close bout? Does a baseball team set it's goal as being the third or fourth place team in their division? NO. They play to win. If you aren't playing to win, then stick to playing games one on one with similarly skilled friends and stay out of the broader competitive pool, and stop whining because you aren't as good at the game. People are going to be better than you at a lot fo things in life, get used to it.

That doesn't validate or excuse your outrageous and nonsensical claim.

but when i see someone doing something just to win it doesnt make the game fun i know you dont think throwing nades over a building over and over is fun right? how about runing after the rocketlauncher every single time? i dont do those things and still win most of the time i just dont like itbayareahusla

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

You play to win the game

Enlighten me. What other reason do you play besides winning? Even when losing your learning how to win. You play to win the game.

foxhound_fox

You can play for fun but you're still playing to win whether you win or not. The objective of playing is to win. Nobody says you're not having fun in defeat but eery objective of every game is to win not to lose hence you play to win the game.

I think what matters is that most people playing have a good time and sometimes even when you play fair you don't get that.Sonwhy

If they don't have a good time playing fairly, then either they find a game where they do have a good time playing fairly, or they shouldn't play at all.

I play to have fun. I can have fun whether I'm winning or losing.

foxhound_fox

I think it's more accurate to say that you have fun while trying to win. Because at the start of every game, you fully intend to try to win, correct? If you aren't trying to win, you would just put down the controller and go make a sandwhich when the game starts. That you struggle and put up a fight shows that you are playing to win, as winning is the ultimate point of that struggle. Therefore, you do in fact, play to win. But unlike the OP, if and when you fall short, you don't have a hissy fit about it and turn to cheats to pretend you have skill and feel better about it.

You can play for fun but you're still playing to win whether you win or not. The objective of playing is to win. Nobody says you're not having fun in defeat but eery objective of every game is to win not to lose hence you play to win the game.

The__Havoc

but when i see someone doing something just to win it doesnt make the game fun i know you dont think throwing nades over a building over and over is fun right? how about runing after the rocketlauncher every single time? i dont do those things and still win most of the time i just dont like itbayareahusla

The objective of playing is to win. Name me one game you win in by having fun.

• Basketball
• Baseball
• Football
• Hockey
• Video games
• Board games

You play to win the game. If you're not having fun then you're not having fun. But all of these were designed for players to compete to be the winner.

Any kind of unfair advantage is completely wrong.

this has to be the dumbest question i ever heard. of course cheating isnt bad. i just wish someone would make a game shark so everybody could cheat. not just computer geeks:roll:

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

I play to have fun. I can have fun whether I'm winning or losing.

ViewtifulScott

I think it's more accurate to say that you have fun while trying to win. Because at the start of every game, you fully intend to try to win, correct? If you aren't trying to win, you would just put down the controller and go make a sandwhich when the game starts. That you struggle and put up a fight shows that you are playing to win, as winning is the ultimate point of that struggle. Therefore, you do in fact, play to win. But unlike the OP, if and when you fall short, you don't have a hissy fit about it and turn to cheats to pretend you have skill and feel better about it.

If I'm not winning in an online game, I'm still kicking someone's ass out on the battlefield and helping my teammates out.

Even if you know you can't win during an online match, it's fun when you put up a hell of a good fight rather than completely lose morale and give up while they take over the battle with little resistance.

[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]but when i see someone doing something just to win it doesnt make the game fun i know you dont think throwing nades over a building over and over is fun right? how about runing after the rocketlauncher every single time? i dont do those things and still win most of the time i just dont like itThe__Havoc

The objective of playing is to win. Name me one game you win in by having fun.

• Basketball
• Baseball
• Football
• Hockey
• Video games
• Board games

You play to win the game. If you're not having fun then you're not having fun. But all of these were designed for players to compete to be the winner.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]You can play for fun but you're still playing to win whether you win or not. The objective of playing is to win. Nobody says you're not having fun in defeat but eery objective of every game is to win not to lose hence you play to win the game.

foxhound_fox

If you put up any struggle at all, you were trying to win. That means your goal was to win, which means you play to win. If your goal isn't to win, you wouldn't bother playing at all.

No it's definitely the cheater's fault for ruining the game.

If you have played COD 4 in the past couple days you know it's a bad thing.

Mutt523

Has it really been getting that bad?

and i love to see all the glitches in the game im playing but i never take them out of the glich no kill rooms just another way to have fun and its even funner when you can out glitch the glitchers bayareahusla

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]You can play for fun but you're still playing to win whether you win or not. The objective of playing is to win. Nobody says you're not having fun in defeat but eery objective of every game is to win not to lose hence you play to win the game.

foxhound_fox

And you play to complete those objectives therefor you play to win the game :roll:

What you find fun is irrelevant the games were designed for winners and losers and the participants compete to win hence why you play to win. Objectives for the games aren't do what you feel is fun. Its to win.

If you put up any struggle at all, you were trying to win. That means your goal was to win, which means you play to win. If your goal isn't to win, you wouldn't bother playing at all.

ViewtifulScott

[QUOTE="ViewtifulScott"]If you put up any struggle at all, you were trying to win. That means your goal was to win, which means you play to win. If your goal isn't to win, you wouldn't bother playing at all.

foxhound_fox

... and WHOOSH goes the point, right over your head. :)

Goodnight folks.

[QUOTE="Mutt523"]

If you have played COD 4 in the past couple days you know it's a bad thing.

Has it really been getting that bad?

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Say you go to a movie theater, and a group of kids find the movie boring, but you are quite enjoying it so the kids start to be disruptive and ruin your enjoyment of the movie so they can have a good time....how is that fair to you? Online cheating works the same way, its wrong and ruins others enjoyment of a game.

Exactly right. Honestly, OP... this is just common sense stuff here. Cheating online isn't right, and shouldn't be allowed, and all cheaters should be banned for life from any online service when caught. How about I go to a museum, find myself bored, and decide to spray paint several priceless paintings. Then I can just say "man I was just trying to have some fun, sheesh, lighten up guys".

... and WHOOSH goes the point, right over your head. :)

Goodnight folks.

ViewtifulScott

[QUOTE="ViewtifulScott"]If you put up any struggle at all, you were trying to win. That means your goal was to win, which means you play to win. If your goal isn't to win, you wouldn't bother playing at all.

foxhound_fox

Name me some games where the goal is not winning? Enlighten me.

As I've said before. Your fun is irrelevant. When you turn on a game and you start playing it the goal is to win. Unless well you enjoy just being stuck on Level 1 and have never beaten a game in your life before which I know isn't true.

[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]and i love to see all the glitches in the game im playing but i never take them out of the glich no kill rooms just another way to have fun and its even funner when you can out glitch the glitchers bronxxbombers

[QUOTE="ViewtifulScott"]... and WHOOSH goes the point, right over your head. :)

Goodnight folks.

foxhound_fox

No, it didn't. You're just wrong and have yet to realize it.

[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]i think the people that only play to win are worse then cheaters. pick your favorite care not the one thats the fastest. dont just throw grandes in a shooter come out and fight like the other team.ViewtifulScott

If you aren't playing to win, then why the hell are you playing a competitive game in the first place? Are you competing for second place? Does a boxer show up for a match with the intention of losing a close bout? Does a baseball team set it's goal as being the third or fourth place team in their division? NO. They play to win. If you aren't playing to win, then stick to playing games one on one with similarly skilled friends and stay out of the broader competitive pool, and stop whining because you aren't as good at the game. People are going to be better than you at a lot fo things in life, get used to it.

Most of the time I play games to win, but sometimes I will go into a game with absolutely no intention of winning and my only goal is to have fun and reek havoc on the other players and bring chaos the the match.

Name me some games where the goal is not winning? Enlighten me.

As I've said before. Your fun is irrelevant. When you turn on a game and you start playing it the goal is to win. Unless well you enjoy just being stuck on Level 1 and have never beaten a game in your life before which I know isn't true.

The__Havoc

No, it didn't. You're just wrong and have yet to realize it.

ViewtifulScott

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="bayareahusla"]and i love to see all the glitches in the game im playing but i never take them out of the glich no kill rooms just another way to have fun and its even funner when you can out glitch the glitchers bayareahusla

And why do you go to rooms to learn how to do those things? *Gasp* so you can know how to use them in games to win.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]Name me some games where the goal is not winning? Enlighten me.

As I've said before. Your fun is irrelevant. When you turn on a game and you start playing it the goal is to win. Unless well you enjoy just being stuck on Level 1 and have never beaten a game in your life before which I know isn't true.

foxhound_fox

No, it didn't. You're just wrong and have yet to realize it.

ViewtifulScott

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]Name me some games where the goal is not winning? Enlighten me.

As I've said before. Your fun is irrelevant. When you turn on a game and you start playing it the goal is to win. Unless well you enjoy just being stuck on Level 1 and have never beaten a game in your life before which I know isn't true.

foxhound_fox

So then its true what I've said. You've never completely a level in any video game. And again I ask what games are out there where the goal is not winning.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Sonwhy"] I think most gamers don't game for others. Most game for themselves. Sonwhy

havoc it must be nice to not care about fun or being bored i wish i could be like you and play a game just to winbayareahusla

I take it you don't play sports then and if you do then again I question why you play them. You compete against others in an attempt to win. That's why you play. Sure you can have fun and yes but the goals of all these games are to win.

Or as I've told Foxhound are you a person that has never completed a level in any game? Because if you've beaten even one level in any game you've played then you've experiencing playing to win. Which is the whole point beyond playing. List me games you play that the objective is not to win?