Is online cheating such a bad thing?

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#151 W1NGMAN-
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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="Mutt523"]

If you have played COD 4 in the past couple days you know it's a bad thing.

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Has it really been getting that bad?

i wanna rent it now just to see it lol

I'm actually tempted to pop it in just to see for myself ha.

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#152 bronxxbombers
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[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="bayareahusla"]and i love to see all the glitches in the game im playing but i never take them out of the glich no kill rooms just another way to have fun and its even funner when you can out glitch the glitchers bayareahusla
Okay first things first. What type of person, whos SN is bay area husla doesnt play to win? What type of "G" doesnt play to win? Second things come second. I have no idea whta you just said, but I'll counter with this. Glitching is cheating. If you can glitch and get into some super building where no one can shoot you, youre cheating. Glitchers can ruin games REALLY REALLY fast.

first off go to your only black friend and ask what a hustler is and second i even glitch for fun not to win like i said before its in a room where everyone is just trying to learn how to do those things

Belive me I know what a "hustla" is. And I highly doubt that you can find rooms that are strictly for glitches, AND whhy would you bother spending time trying to do glitches you would never use in a game?
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#153 bayareahusla
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[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]havoc it must be nice to not care about fun or being bored i wish i could be like you and play a game just to winThe__Havoc

I take it you don't play sports then and if you do then again I question why you play them. You compete against others in an attempt to win. That's why you play. Sure you can have fun and yes but the goals of all these games are to win.

Or as I've told Foxhound are you a person that has never completed a level in any game? Because if you've beaten even one level in any game you've played then you've experiencing playing to win. Which is the whole point beyond playing.

what ever you win anyways how old are you and where you from man?
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#154 bronxxbombers
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[QUOTE="bayareahusla"][QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

havoc it must be nice to not care about fun or being bored i wish i could be like you and play a game just to winbayareahusla

I take it you don't play sports then and if you do then again I question why you play them. You compete against others in an attempt to win. That's why you play. Sure you can have fun and yes but the goals of all these games are to win.

Or as I've told Foxhound are you a person that has never completed a level in any game? Because if you've beaten even one level in any game you've played then you've experiencing playing to win. Which is the whole point beyond playing.

what ever you win anyways how old are you and where you from man?

You wanting to know that is a little creepy...
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#155 bayareahusla
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and here we go again lol because its fun yankee
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#156 bronxxbombers
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and here we go again lol because its fun yankeebayareahusla
Where are we going again? Because its fun "husla".
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#157 killerfist
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IMO, yes it is. Using exploits or cheats is cheap in my book. It doesn't bother me in offline or private matches, but keep it out of public matches.
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#158 Teuf_
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The problem with cheating isn't that it happens all the time...it's actually pretty rare for most games. The problem is that when it does happen, it makes you question every bad match you've had in that game up until that point. Suddenly you're wondering whether that dude a week ago killed you because he was good, or because he had some kind of aimbot or whatever. It can ruin a game for you sometimes.

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#159 bayareahusla
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[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]and here we go again lol because its fun yankeebronxxbombers
Where are we going again? Because its fun "husla".

lol have a good one man
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#160 bronxxbombers
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[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="bayareahusla"]and here we go again lol because its fun yankeebayareahusla
Where are we going again? Because its fun "husla".

lol have a good one man

You too.
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#161 smokingsbad
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if your playing with just your friends or a private matches its ok I guess, but when its with other people it ruins the fun for them
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#162 Verge_6
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It completely ruins the experience for others. How can anything like that NOT be a bad thing?

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#163 dkrustyklown
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I think that the video game industry should try to find a way to make the laws and regulations of the Nevada State Gaming commission to apply to online gaming.

Don't just ban cheaters. Put them in prison for fraud.

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#165 siggy3
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A few days ago I played GTA IV online and there was a cheater who had a rocket launching SMG and an abnormal amount of health. At first I was angry about it but after a while everyone started turning against the cheater, so it was a whole bunch of normal powered players versus a super powered player, like a boss battle, and that was actually pretty fun. Maybe they should make a legit multiplayer game mode like that.

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#166 fixer293
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Yes, it is.

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#167 dk_2007
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[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]havoc it must be nice to not care about fun or being bored i wish i could be like you and play a game just to winThe__Havoc

I take it you don't play sports then and if you do then again I question why you play them. You compete against others in an attempt to win. That's why you play. Sure you can have fun and yes but the goals of all these games are to win.

Or as I've told Foxhound are you a person that has never completed a level in any game? Because if you've beaten even one level in any game you've played then you've experiencing playing to win. Which is the whole point beyond playing.

Even if someone's goal is to win, the real win is only when you do that by following rules. Winning by breaking rules is not called win it is called "cheating". This also applies to every sport. Can you name some sports where cheating is acceptable?

Regarding having fun, you can have all the fun that you want as long as you dont spoil the fun of others. This applies to everything such as life, sports, video games...etc. Why is it difficult to understand?

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#168 Sonwhy
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Got on and played COD 4 for a couple of hours last night after I started this post and man I've never come across cheating quite like that on several different games people were getting on top or roofs and I heard people referring to them as "floaters" I believe. I've come across glitching but thats about it but last night was much different with seeing people travel across the screen in one to two seconds to the other side and seeing other people take off like birds in the sky. The game was really quite different. I have not touched the game in a few weeks
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#169 DethSkematik
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Yea course online cheating is a bad thing. The main thing that should be a priority in online gaming is fairness, honesty and consideration for other players.Sonwhy
I think what matters is that most people playing have a good time and sometimes even when you play fair you don't get that.

That is true, but in doing that (cheating), you are also handicapping a fellow player who's earned his skills online. It's not making it "fair," it's turning the tides in your favor because you can't acceptt who the better man is (BTW, I'm not addressing "you" in a personal matter, just generally speaking ;))
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#170 Sonwhy
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[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]i think the people that only play to win are worse then cheaters. pick your favorite care not the one thats the fastest. dont just throw grandes in a shooter come out and fight like the other team.The__Havoc

You play to win the game

Enlighten me. What other reason do you play besides winning? Even when losing your learning how to win. You play to win the game.

Well I don't really play to win. As a matter of a fact I play for k/d ratio and as long as that is good and I can move around the map fairly well I'm happy.
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#171 Sonwhy
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[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]I don't know all the details involved with baseball but if someone else hits for another person I would assume the person that hit the ball gets the credit.ViewtifulScott

But you still didn't answer my question. Does the other player who can't hit a baseball to save his life, that this hypotetical roided out substitute hitter is hitting in place of, have any skill? Yes or no, please.

Well that depends on the person and what all they do. Baseball is more than just simple hitting a baseball for example they maybe a good pitcher or a good catcher or whatever. As far as hitting the ball goes if someone else hits for them I guess they just don't have enough skill in that area for the mlb but it doesn't mean they don't have any skill at all.
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cheaters + pirates = LOL
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#173 ps3wizard45
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It ruins the game! :o :x

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#174 o0squishy0o
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cheating in a game when it is not needed of course is wrong. You can say BUH IT ONLAY A GAM3 LOLOLOLOL" but you would want someone to cheat if your playing a sport would you?.

I hate people who cheat in games because it just unbalances it and therefore loses its fun

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#175 imaps3fanboy
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Online cheaters shall be burned!

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#176 KungfuKitten
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If You want to cheat then do it with people who are ok with it, i.e. join or create a cheatserver.
It can be loads of fun.
Sometimes on tf2 You run into a server that has an admin doing wacky things. It's all for good fun.
But on a normal server You shouldn't cheat without other peoples consent.

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#177 Mckenna1845
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yeah online cheating is really bad, they need punkbuster type software on consoles.
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#178 oldmanriver1
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Yes its really bad as (A) it makes everything too easy for you and therefore makes the game boring and (B) it ruins the experience for everyone else.

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#179 legol1
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online cheating is the worst thing a gamer can do . no matter how you spin that .
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#180 Swift_Boss_A
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Oh its bad, its really bad. Does my head in when people cheat in Pacific Rift :x Damn I hate online cheaters, one of the main reasons why I prefer offline gaming. Playing online should be about being fair not who can cheat to victory. Mostly the devs fault but then again almost every console online game is abused one way or another and its hard for devs to keep on patching their games to make it fair for everyone, I guess.

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#181 scar-hawk
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Cheaters should be banned. And I'm getting the message that you yourself are a cheater.
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#182 sikanderahmed
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online cheating is pathetic, if someone wants to cheat then do it in single player, cheating online sucks and ruins the game for everyone else

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#183 jonnyt61
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Offline, doesn't involve anyone else, so go ahead, suit yourself. Online? I'm of the opinion that you're banned, depending on what you did, and how many times, either just from that game, or at a hardware level. There needs to be a strong incentive to stay legit, else someone will always have a go at it, and end up ruining it for everyone else.
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#184 Burning-Sludge
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[QUOTE="GuywithNoName"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Yea course online cheating is a bad thing. The main thing that should be a priority in online gaming is fairness, honesty and consideration for other players.Sonwhy

^^This

I don't know about that. When I get online to play I don't play for other people I play for me and for me to have a good time whether other people do or don't is irrelevant. If someone does cheat I think they mainly do it as a way to get more enjoyment out of the game than what they currently are by playing fairly. And I definitely don't think online cheaters should be banned when playing fairly is completely unfair to such competition coming from bad matchmaking.

Excuse me! If you only play for yourself anyways you can just play with your self. You can hack the game as much as you like if you are plaing a 1 player game because no one would care. SO KEEP YOUR HACKING THERE WHERE IT WON'T BOTHER ANY ONE!!!

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#185 nintendoboy16
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Yea course online cheating is a bad thing. The main thing that should be a priority in online gaming is fairness, honesty and consideration for other players.siLVURcross
You ripped the words right out of my mouth.
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#186 bleehum
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[QUOTE="ViewtifulScott"]

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]I don't know all the details involved with baseball but if someone else hits for another person I would assume the person that hit the ball gets the credit.Sonwhy

But you still didn't answer my question. Does the other player who can't hit a baseball to save his life, that this hypotetical roided out substitute hitter is hitting in place of, have any skill? Yes or no, please.

Well that depends on the person and what all they do. Baseball is more than just simple hitting a baseball for example they maybe a good pitcher or a good catcher or whatever. As far as hitting the ball goes if someone else hits for them I guess they just don't have enough skill in that area for the mlb but it doesn't mean they don't have any skill at all.

You still don't understand his analogy. He's saying a baseball player, which is a hitter (you needlessly mentioned pitchers and catchers) that is on steroids, HGH (human growth hormone), etc, does not deserve credit for what they've done. (By the way, a scientist actually said that steroids not only increase muscle mass but do in fact help with hand-eye coordination among other things, if anyone wanted to go down that road of the argument). So, like a baseball player on steroids, someone who uses cheats online doesn't deserve credit for what they do in the game; but also it isn't even them playing the game, basically.

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#187 lowe0
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Yea course online cheating is a bad thing. The main thing that should be a priority in online gaming is fairness, honesty and consideration for other players.Sonwhy
I think what matters is that most people playing have a good time and sometimes even when you play fair you don't get that.

I'd agree that maximizing fun is the primary goal, but cheating isn't the way to accomplish that. You're much closer to the mark with your statement about skills-based matchmaking systems needing to be more prevalent. However, they're fundamentally incompatible with the server browser model, unless every server has a locked skill range.
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#188 Nerkcon
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After reading the first page, TC is a online cheater but won't admit it. Let me sum up his block of text; "I don't think cheating is a bad thing, especially if the other team is so good they can kick their ass on fair grounds. For the sake of fairness players who suck should be able to cheat all they want so they can have a good time to. I secretly mean I suck so I cheat to have a good time because only winning is fun for me, I got myself ban so now I'm making this post to make cheating not seem so bad.
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#189 SexySasquatch11
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Cheating + Ranked = reported.

Cheating + non-ranked = fun.

I quit playing GeOW because of the glitchers. Epic didn't do anything to try and fix them either.

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#190 RawDeal_basic
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There are lots of cheaters in CSS, but I don't care. I still get plenty of kills and have tons of fun, and that's what matters. Besides, there are way more non-cheaters.

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#191 bleehum
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There are lots of cheaters in CSS, but I don't care. I still get plenty of kills and have tons of fun, and that's what matters. Besides, there are way more non-cheaters.

RawDeal_basic
Speedhacks, wallhacks, and aimbots in CS especially when you're on the opposing team of the hacker, or any game for that matter, makes it impossible to have fun. And the obvious fact that there are far more people who play legit doesn't change the fact that cheating online is a bad thing.
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#192 PAL360
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Yep, its unfair imo

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#193 MassiveKaos
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Its bad because it effects me. you cant kill a guy because he has unlimited health or some crap like that?

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#194 eo_the_shaman
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i dont like wall glitchers at all, if i find a cheater they get auto T bagged

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#195 Willy105
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Online cheating is a VERY bad thing.
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#196 lettuceman44
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What kind of question is that? Are you so narrow minded that you care only about yourself?
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#197 Mutt523
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What kind of question is that? Are you so narrow minded that you care only about yourself? lettuceman44
He cares about other, because he beleaves if you suck to badly you should cheat to balance the fight.
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#198 RawDeal_basic
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[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

There are lots of cheaters in CSS, but I don't care. I still get plenty of kills and have tons of fun, and that's what matters. Besides, there are way more non-cheaters.

bleehum

Speedhacks, wallhacks, and aimbots in CS especially when you're on the opposing team of the hacker, or any game for that matter, makes it impossible to have fun. And the obvious fact that there are far more people who play legit doesn't change the fact that cheating online is a bad thing.

:| You wrote that like you were countering an argument or something. Of course online cheating is a bad thing, that wasn't the point of my post. I was simply stating that I'm not going to let a few a-hole hackers on a server stop me from enjoying the game. It's definitely not impossible to have fun, especially if you're on a decent server with a good community and admins. The people who speedhack and aimbot are easy to detect and are banned very quickly.

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#199 dk_2007
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see this is what happens to cheaters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxPYZ1nRzs

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#200 Mutt523
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[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

see this is what happens to cheaters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxPYZ1nRzs

We should do that to TC's computer!