Is PC gaming really that great?
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1.) Nothing stipulates that Steam cannot release said games should the company go under. We've had difficulty selling PC games used, even with hard copies, and i'm pretty sure you still "own" those.
2.) Use Steam. The system isn't too system hoggish, and it has a nice in-game overlay.
3.) Yeah, you kind of are. If not, communities often release something to make it work. We can play games as old as DOS games, due to things like DOSbox.
4.) Pirating a game, or downloading a copy you've already purchased? Sticky ground. Regardless, games often work fine, I dunno what your point here means :?
5.) Not always true. In fact, many developers treat their legitimate customers well. Again, just buy through Steam, and stop using one form of DRM to counter every game released. Always-on from Ubisoft was patched out of the first games to use it.
6.) More and more exclusives that you can't play on consoles. The Witcher, Stalker: SoC, CS, CoP, Starcraft II, Shogun II, Crysis (upcoming), Crysis Warhead etc, etc.
7.) Not a huge issue if the game is designed around it. Or we get exclusives with larger player counts, or multiplats tailored to the platform (BF3).
8.) Scalability.
9.) Different manufacturers still use the same standards. I don't get what you're driving at here. Games sometimes install proprietary software, or software to make the game run, but it's NBD.
10.) Ok, so you don't like the lack of seperation. Great. Moving on.
11.)
Sucks for you I guess. PC gaming has been great for me latey, so no complaints. Everything just works. And if I'm unsure of an old game, I'll try a demo out first. Then there's DOSbox and the like for the really old games, but I don't play those too much.
Also, if I'm not getting the performance out of the game that I like, at least I have the option to improve it by upgrading hardware or changing the settings rather than just accepting what the developers decided was good enough for me.
i got back into pc gaming after hearing the hermits say how it has more aaa games then all consoles put together. Pc gaming is good but its not the be all end all system. Has lots of advantages but also a long list of problems that can go with it.
I found the wow pretty graphics wares off pretty fast for me. After a little while i don't even notice it anymore. The game line up is pretty over rated. I really don't get why hermits think half life is the best game ever.
Hardware wise it ages faster then soild snake
1. Everyone praises Steam, but you know that you don't really own those games. If you can't sell it then you don't own it. If and when the servers go out, you can't play the games you supposedly own. Steam is like a virus.
Valve have said a number of times that if they ever went bankrupt, they'd make our games available outside of Steam. Then again, they own one of the biggest online PC game stores (if not *the* biggest), so I don't think there's much risk of that happening for a long time.
Anyway, Steam's sales more than outweigh the negatives. Especially here in Australia, where our retail prices tend to be twice as much as Steam's prices.
2. DRM is getting more and more annoying and invasive.
Is it? I mean, every so often a company like Ubisoft comes up with some silly new idea (only to later abandon it after it gets a massive amount of backlash), but even then...well, I've almost never had problems with DRM.
3. You are never completely sure if a game will even run. Looking at minimum spec you see "Windows XP" and "Windows Vista" specs. But will it run under Windows 7? Spend $40 on a game, not even guaranteed to run on your OS, or even PREVENTED from running by the DRM. At least I can return my game if I don't like it. Can you return PC games if you don't like them?
I'm pretty sure that you can return Steam games that don't run at all, if you contact support about it. It's not guaranteed, but it happens.
And in any case, I honestly don't remember the last time I had to worry about that. I don't even remember the last time I looked at recommended specs, and I'm gaming on my *laptop*. Most games are extraordinarily easy to just buy, download, and play.
4. I don't see how PC gaming is even viable without using cracks, or downloading a clean copy of the game from torrents to avoid having rootkits installed or having your DVD player locked, or having always-on internet DRM.
Again, I think the only time I've ever had a DRM problem in many, many years of legitimate PC gaming was when Borderlands' activation system didn't work.
It's fixed itself since then, so I suspect that you're blowing that all out of proportion.
5. The way developers treat PC gamers is abominable. They literally treat you like garbage. The pirates get a more playable game than the legitimate customers.
To clarify that - the PC exclusive developers tend to do awesome things like making DRM free games; it's the console-focused developers who can't seem to get their heads around rewarding their customers.
Oh, and that's not to mention the massive amounts of free/bonus content that PC gamers tend to get. Console devs, on the other hand, popularised the idea of charging for map packs and bonus costumes.
6. More and more exclusives that you can't play on PC. Halo. Gears. Uncharted. MGS. Infamous. Meanwhile more of more "PC games" coming to console. Witcher 2. Deus Ex. Torchlight.
And yet the PC almost always has the most highest scoring games every year, at least according to Gamespot's reviews (and Gamespot doesn't even review all that many PC games). Odd, isn't it?
7. Developers purposely nerfing PC games to make them "equal" to consoles. For example CoD type games setting 12vs12 player limits on PC when it can handle alot more.
So you're saying that console games are inferior? That doesn't help your argument. Try rethinking that one.
8. Inequality. Some people have better hardware and can kill you faster because of it. Console is a more egalitarian way, everybody is using the same hardware, has the same framerates, if they kill you they were simply better.
Don't many multiplayer console games tend to have things like players hosting the servers, giving massive advantages to the host?
And let's face it, a few extra frames per second won't make much of a difference to a really good player.
9. Hodge podge of standards. Direct X, Glide, Shader 1.0/2.0, ATi, NVidia, new cards and new standards coming out, Sandy Bridge, Piledriver, AMD vs Intel, at least I know for a fact that when I pop in the disk, it's gonna run.
So...the option to have better hardware is somehow a bad thing?
10. Seperation of work/play. I like the fact that on my PC I don't have gaming crap all over the place. Everything is neat and organized, and I don't need a bulky deskptop to do my work, can use a tiny netbook or something to get my work done, and just play on 360. Every 5-10 years buy a new console for $300, it doesn't get any easier than that.
I play games on the laptop that I take to my c|asses. Everything is neatly placed in separate folders, and I can play all the games that I want to play. I don't see the problem.
1. Everyone praises Steam, but you know that you don't really own those games. If you can't sell it then you don't own it. If and when the servers go out, you can't play the games you supposedly own. Steam is like a virus. ZombieKiller7
You do know you dont own any game you ever buy right?
Yeaaa Graphics matter more than gameplay...PC gaming is not all about graphics if that's the only reason you tried PC gaming no wonder you did not like it.[/QUOT [QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]
i got back into pc gaming after hearing the hermits say how it has more aaa games then all consoles put together. Pc gaming is good but its not the be all end all system. Has lots of advantages but also a long list of problems that can go with it.
I found the wow pretty graphics wares off pretty fast for me. After a little while i don't even notice it anymore. The game line up is pretty over rated. I really don't get why hermits think half life is the best game ever.
Hardware wise it ages faster then soild snake
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could have fooled me with hermits talking about new gpus every 6 months
Incidentally, just in case anyone is confused about the current games/sales markets. The PC games market is currently just short of all the other consoles combined in total game revenue. That's not even including the other markets driven by PC gaming, such as PC gaming cards, hardware etc which is obviously far larger than all the consoles combined.
On top of that the PC gaming market is the fastest growing, ever since D2D platforms have taken a foothold it is accelerating.
The PC leads gaming, it always has and it always will. Consoles are just going to replicate the PC more and more. It's inevitable. If you want to play the best games with the best graphics/sound/framerate/modding/communities/controls then you have to play on a PC. More expensive maybe, if you want high end, but as they say "you get what you pay for".
1. No guarantee of that. When Steam goes down, all your purchases go with it. 2. Steam is a virus 3. So it's better to find a workaround to get a game to run on your OS than just pop in the disk and play? I don't think so. Excuses. 4. Some games have proven to be essentially unplayable without a crack. I beleive it was Ubisoft support that offered their customers a crack (from a pirate site) to play their game, because their servers were down. 5. Driver : San Francisco is a new one getting always-on DRM. As I said, Steam is a virus, and it's a sign of submission from PC gamers that they resign themselves to Steam DRM to avoid even worse DRM. 6. Nobody cares about Shogun and oh by the way how are Starcraft 2 sales doing? Meanwhile you are completely locked out of all the good IP's. 7. That exactly IS the issue. Almost no games today are designed for PC. They care about their console sales more. 8. Scalability to what end? Only graphics, nothing else. Have fun dialing down games to account for all the graphics whores who spent $400 on a video card.1.) Nothing stipulates that Steam cannot release said games should the company go under. We've had difficulty selling PC games used, even with hard copies, and i'm pretty sure you still "own" those.
2.) Use Steam. The system isn't too system hoggish, and it has a nice in-game overlay.
3.) Yeah, you kind of are. If not, communities often release something to make it work. We can play games as old as DOS games, due to things like DOSbox.
4.) Pirating a game, or downloading a copy you've already purchased? Sticky ground. Regardless, games often work fine, I dunno what your point here means :?
5.) Not always true. In fact, many developers treat their legitimate customers well. Again, just buy through Steam, and stop using one form of DRM to counter every game released. Always-on from Ubisoft was patched out of the first games to use it.
6.) More and more exclusives that you can't play on consoles. The Witcher, Stalker: SoC, CS, CoP, Starcraft II, Shogun II, Crysis (upcoming), Crysis Warhead etc, etc.
7.) Not a huge issue if the game is designed around it. Or we get exclusives with larger player counts, or multiplats tailored to the platform (BF3).
8.) Scalability.
9.) Different manufacturers still use the same standards. I don't get what you're driving at here. Games sometimes install proprietary software, or software to make the game run, but it's NBD.
10.) Ok, so you don't like the lack of seperation. Great. Moving on.
11.)
lundy86_4
1. No guarantee of that. When Steam goes down, all your purchases go with it. 2. Steam is a virus 3. So it's better to find a workaround to get a game to run on your OS than just pop in the disk and play? I don't think so. Excuses. 4. Some games have proven to be essentially unplayable without a crack. I beleive it was Ubisoft support that offered their customers a crack (from a pirate site) to play their game, because their servers were down. 5. Driver : San Francisco is a new one getting always-on DRM. As I said, Steam is a virus, and it's a sign of submission from PC gamers that they resign themselves to Steam DRM to avoid even worse DRM. 6. Nobody cares about Shogun and oh by the way how are Starcraft 2 sales doing? Meanwhile you are completely locked out of all the good IP's. 7. That exactly IS the issue. Almost no games today are designed for PC. They care about their console sales more. 8. Scalability to what end? Only graphics, nothing else. Have fun dialing down games to account for all the graphics whores who spent $400 on a video card.ZombieKiller7
1.) I know, just like there is no guarantee of yours. Mine is likely though, as those games have been purchased by the customer.
2.) No, it's not.
3.)Most games will just pop in and play. As you see, I referenced something very old, such as DOS. However, if you want to talk about backwards compatability, the PC offers the best :? PS3's can't play PS2 games anymore, and 360's have iffy BC. Wii's is very good.
4.) Ubisoft invented the always-on DRM. Regardless, games often work fine.
5.) Yes, Ubisoft are re-implementing it. It'll no doubt be removed again. It's the stupidest idea to exist ever, but it's one company and used in one game (removed from ACII I believe, fully). Again, Steam is not a virus :roll:
6.) Ahhhh, when you can't discredit a game, tell the person nobody cares about it. Total War games typically sell quite well, refuting your point. Starcraft and Total War are good IP's :? You don't like them? I don't give a ****.
Starcraft II tops lifetime sales of the original
Over 4.5 million units since release in July. Article is from February 2011
^^ Sales are very high it seems.
7.) Many games today are designed for PC. It has the largest exclusive library this gen :?
1. Everyone praises Steam, but you know that you don't really own those games. If you can't sell it then you don't own it. If and when the servers go out, you can't play the games you supposedly own. Steam is like a virus. 2. DRM is getting more and more annoying and invasive. 3. You are never completely sure if a game will even run. Looking at minimum spec you see "Windows XP" and "Windows Vista" specs. But will it run under Windows 7? Spend $40 on a game, not even guaranteed to run on your OS, or even PREVENTED from running by the DRM. At least I can return my game if I don't like it. Can you return PC games if you don't like them? 4. I don't see how PC gaming is even viable without using cracks, or downloading a clean copy of the game from torrents to avoid having rootkits installed or having your DVD player locked, or having always-on internet DRM. 5. The way developers treat PC gamers is abominable. They literally treat you like garbage. The pirates get a more playable game than the legitimate customers. 6. More and more exclusives that you can't play on PC. Halo. Gears. Uncharted. MGS. Infamous. Meanwhile more of more "PC games" coming to console. Witcher 2. Deus Ex. Torchlight. 7. Developers purposely nerfing PC games to make them "equal" to consoles. For example CoD type games setting 12vs12 player limits on PC when it can handle alot more. 8. Inequality. Some people have better hardware and can kill you faster because of it. Console is a more egalitarian way, everybody is using the same hardware, has the same framerates, if they kill you they were simply better. 9. Hodge podge of standards. Direct X, Glide, Shader 1.0/2.0, ATi, NVidia, new cards and new standards coming out, Sandy Bridge, Piledriver, AMD vs Intel, at least I know for a fact that when I pop in the disk, it's gonna run. 10. Seperation of work/play. I like the fact that on my PC I don't have gaming crap all over the place. Everything is neat and organized, and I don't need a bulky deskptop to do my work, can use a tiny netbook or something to get my work done, and just play on 360. Every 5-10 years buy a new console for $300, it doesn't get any easier than that. I was a PC gamer since the Commodore 64. But since 2008 I saw the writing on the wall. While PC is a powerful platform, developers are making it garbage to try to protect their profits. They are deliberately screwing over PC users, adding more and more invasive DRM even down to the hardware level. Purely for gaming, console is the way to go. Flamesuit onZombieKiller7
40 bucks on a game that wont run ahahaha if your not having a 40 dollar game running on your OS you got ripped off buying a game thats based in windows 3.1/95 which makes you jsut as much of an idiot for not knowing about the FREE software we call dosbox ahahaha either that or your trying to play the long dead and defunct shadowrun aahaha
we can also play all YOUR back-console titles. theires nothing right about doing it but we can. and yes this includes the xbox and ps2 and DS
always on DRM basically only applies to dust, assasins creed 2 and tfu1 however of that lsit only "form dust" is really worth playing and consoles have the same problem that we do for assassins creed...
betetr hardware =/= better player pc gaming is like a tank fight a good player is FAR more valuable than a better tank. iv bested folks in rts's and online rpg's with my turion II x2 hd 4330 ssytem and they had a PHENOM II X 2 and a 9800GT if anything it comes down more to the quality of your connection to the internet and your skill as a player.. nothing mroe nothing less and a cosnole has the ame problem..
finally DRM isnt life ending.. securom for example is in mroe game than there are games with dlc's and i assure you that its a perfectly unintrusive system. heck beyyond ubidrm which even you folks ahve problems with we pc gamers are actually pretty safe. youd olnly fret about it if your PIRATING GAMES. which makes that earlier one in the lsit which ive yet to respond to seem even mroe quationable senior pirate..
so from your above post i can only draw a few conclusions.. your either poor/a minor and threfore without a source of income.. or your a whiney crybaby pirate who is afraid to ask the pc hardware forum for help with your pc..
and either way you should appraciate the following..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaWU1CmrJNc
1. Everyone praises Steam, but you know that you don't really own those games. If you can't sell it then you don't own it. If and when the servers go out, you can't play the games you supposedly own. Steam is like a virus.I honestly don't know why I bothered, it's obviously just trolling.What kind of insane logic is that? I can't sell the paint off my walls, does that mean it doesn't belong to me? I can't sell the grass from my yard, does it not belong to me as well? Do you know what a virus is?
2. DRM is getting more and more annoying and invasive.
Steam and other DD usually handle DRM for you, and there are plenty of sites that sell you games DRM free, such as gog.com
3. You are never completely sure if a game will even run. Looking at minimum spec you see "Windows XP" and "Windows Vista" specs. But will it run under Windows 7? Spend $40 on a game, not even guaranteed to run on your OS, or even PREVENTED from running by the DRM. At least I can return my game if I don't like it. Can you return PC games if you don't like them?
Who is honestly still using Windows XP. Microsoft doesn't even update it anymore, are you so backwards that you can't just upgrade your OS?
4. I don't see how PC gaming is even viable without using cracks, or downloading a clean copy of the game from torrents to avoid having rootkits installed or having your DVD player locked, or having always-on internet DRM.
You are doing something horribly, horribly wrong.
5. The way developers treat PC gamers is abominable. They literally treat you like garbage. The pirates get a more playable game than the legitimate customers.
No there are actually plenty of developers who still appreciate PC gamers. Arena net right off the top of my head. Blizzard, Valve, Dice, Cd Projekt. Not to mention a plethora of indie developers.
6. More and more exclusives that you can't play on PC. Halo. Gears. Uncharted. MGS. Infamous. Meanwhile more of more "PC games" coming to console. Witcher 2. Deus Ex. Torchlight.
PC gaming consistantly has the best lineup and best backcatalog of any gaming device. Also you can't play SC2, Guild Wars 2, WoW, Civ 5, Arma, Stalker, etc etc etc
7. Developers purposely nerfing PC games to make them "equal" to consoles. For example CoD type games setting 12vs12 player limits on PC when it can handle alot more.
The only game I've actually seen do this is CoD. Battlefield has consistantly had 32-64 player limits, as well as games like Team Fortress ****c, Red Orchestra, UT.
8. Inequality. Some people have better hardware and can kill you faster because of it. Console is a more egalitarian way, everybody is using the same hardware, has the same framerates, if they kill you they were simply better.
If your system is literally so bad that your opponent is getting an advantage over you, you seriously need to upgrade. Playing games on low doesn't give your opponent the advantage unless you're pulling 2fps. If anything, if gives you more of an advantage, because objects obscuring your opponent may not appear.
9. Hodge podge of standards. Direct X, Glide, Shader 1.0/2.0, ATi, NVidia, new cards and new standards coming out, Sandy Bridge, Piledriver, AMD vs Intel, at least I know for a fact that when I pop in the disk, it's gonna run.
You don't have to know what any of that means to install and play a pc game. It helps, but isn't necessary at all unless, again, you're living in a cave and your computer runs on beads.
10. Seperation of work/play. I like the fact that on my PC I don't have gaming crap all over the place. Everything is neat and organized, and I don't need a bulky deskptop to do my work, can use a tiny netbook or something to get my work done, and just play on 360. Every 5-10 years buy a new console for $300, it doesn't get any easier than that.
Are you ****ing serious?
I was a PC gamer since the Commodore 64.
Well I think you're a liar.
But since 2008 I saw the writing on the wall. While PC is a powerful platform, developers are making it garbage to try to protect their profits. They are deliberately screwing over PC users, adding more and more invasive DRM even down to the hardware level. Purely for gaming, console is the way to go. Flamesuit onZombieKiller7
You tell me. All you see anymore on here are hermits complaining about everything instead of playing games. They complain about graohics, developers, and so on and so forth. Apparently it sucks or they would not cry all the time.
You tell me. All you see anymore on here are hermits complaining about everything instead of playing games. They complain about graohics, developers, and so on and so forth. Apparently it sucks or they would not cry all the time.
WarTornRuston
Huh? You're "all the time" point is wrong. Quite often, I also see Hermits praising things as well (more recently, BF3 and The Witcher 2). Anyway, it's not like complaining is endemic to Hermits. There have been quite a few points in time where console users have set the board on fire with crying (FFXIII going to 360 as an example).
[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]
You tell me. All you see anymore on here are hermits complaining about everything instead of playing games. They complain about graohics, developers, and so on and so forth. Apparently it sucks or they would not cry all the time.
lundy86_4
Huh? You're "all the time" point is wrong. Quite often, I also see Hermits praising things as well (more recently, BF3 and The Witcher 2). Anyway, it's not like complaining is endemic to Hermits. There have been quite a few points in time where console users have set the board on fire with crying (FFXIII going to 360 as an example).
Don't lettem get to you lundy.. Wartorn has only been on the forums 2 weeks. He doesn't really know whats going on.
This thread is a disaster. Alot of logical flaws, alot of blatent lies from the TC, and just setup to bait alot of folks. Just classic system wars.
I'm pretty sure the majority of graphics threads are created by PS3/360 gamers ;)could have fooled me with hermits talking about new gpus every 6 months
dontshackzmii
[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]
You tell me. All you see anymore on here are hermits complaining about everything instead of playing games. They complain about graohics, developers, and so on and so forth. Apparently it sucks or they would not cry all the time.
lundy86_4
Huh? You're "all the time" point is wrong. Quite often, I also see Hermits praising things as well (more recently, BF3 and The Witcher 2). Anyway, it's not like complaining is endemic to Hermits. There have been quite a few points in time where console users have set the board on fire with crying (FFXIII going to 360 as an example).
indeed as well as the horribleness of many of their "exclusives" army of two.. i rest my case.
1. Everyone praises Steam, but you know that you don't really own those games. If you can't sell it then you don't own it. If and when the servers go out, you can't play the games you supposedly own. Steam is like a virus. 2. DRM is getting more and more annoying and invasive. 3. You are never completely sure if a game will even run. Looking at minimum spec you see "Windows XP" and "Windows Vista" specs. But will it run under Windows 7? Spend $40 on a game, not even guaranteed to run on your OS, or even PREVENTED from running by the DRM. At least I can return my game if I don't like it. Can you return PC games if you don't like them? 4. I don't see how PC gaming is even viable without using cracks, or downloading a clean copy of the game from torrents to avoid having rootkits installed or having your DVD player locked, or having always-on internet DRM. 5. The way developers treat PC gamers is abominable. They literally treat you like garbage. The pirates get a more playable game than the legitimate customers. 6. More and more exclusives that you can't play on PC. Halo. Gears. Uncharted. MGS. Infamous. Meanwhile more of more "PC games" coming to console. Witcher 2. Deus Ex. Torchlight. 7. Developers purposely nerfing PC games to make them "equal" to consoles. For example CoD type games setting 12vs12 player limits on PC when it can handle alot more. 8. Inequality. Some people have better hardware and can kill you faster because of it. Console is a more egalitarian way, everybody is using the same hardware, has the same framerates, if they kill you they were simply better. 9. Hodge podge of standards. Direct X, Glide, Shader 1.0/2.0, ATi, NVidia, new cards and new standards coming out, Sandy Bridge, Piledriver, AMD vs Intel, at least I know for a fact that when I pop in the disk, it's gonna run. 10. Seperation of work/play. I like the fact that on my PC I don't have gaming crap all over the place. Everything is neat and organized, and I don't need a bulky deskptop to do my work, can use a tiny netbook or something to get my work done, and just play on 360. Every 5-10 years buy a new console for $300, it doesn't get any easier than that. I was a PC gamer since the Commodore 64. But since 2008 I saw the writing on the wall. While PC is a powerful platform, developers are making it garbage to try to protect their profits. They are deliberately screwing over PC users, adding more and more invasive DRM even down to the hardware level. Purely for gaming, console is the way to go. Flamesuit onZombieKiller7
This is the most object post I've read on this forum in quite some time. You bring up many good points. The Steam thing I agree with 100%--even if it seems all okay now, I don't like that direction. I'm not a fan of that "renting" feeling.
Don't lettem get to you lundy.. Wartorn has only been on the forums 2 weeks. He doesn't really know whats going on.
jedikevin2
I know :P It's like prodding an animal with a stick though, I just wanna see what happens!
[spoiler] Man, I sound like a sadistic ****** lol [/spoiler]
Hah PC gamers getting all flustered. Pretending a game never blue-screened on them, or some cryptic message or error. Over the years I've owned many, many PC games that just would not run with a particular piece of hardware, incompatibilities, you name it. If you've never had problems running a game, then you haven't been PC gaming for very long. And the way you people accept DRM "well it's no big deal." It IS a big deal, you just have no choice but to deal with it. Steam. Steam = DRM + Website Linux gives you freedom from all the Windows headaches, but you can't even use it, because you need Wincrap just to run games. Or get yourself a nice Macbook Pro. Put all gaming on a throw-away console. Easiest way. My 2 cents.ZombieKiller7Because console gamers never ever have problems running games and never ever break down or blue screen and run perfectly all the time. I just sent my 360 in 3 times so Microsoft could admire their work.
Hah PC gamers getting all flustered. Pretending a game never blue-screened on them, or some cryptic message or error. Over the years I've owned many, many PC games that just would not run with a particular piece of hardware, incompatibilities, you name it. If you've never had problems running a game, then you haven't been PC gaming for very long. And the way you people accept DRM "well it's no big deal." It IS a big deal, you just have no choice but to deal with it. Steam. Steam = DRM + Website Linux gives you freedom from all the Windows headaches, but you can't even use it, because you need Wincrap just to run games. Or get yourself a nice Macbook Pro. Put all gaming on a throw-away console. Easiest way. My 2 cents.ZombieKiller7
I have NEVER had a blue screen from a game.. Guess I haven't been gaming on my PC long enough? Never had any crypitc message. The worst i've ever experienced is a game kicking me back to the desktop. Why are you claiming things and belittling people when obviously you have no way to prove your claim?
Hah PC gamers getting all flustered. Pretending a game never blue-screened on them, or some cryptic message or error. Over the years I've owned many, many PC games that just would not run with a particular piece of hardware, incompatibilities, you name it. If you've never had problems running a game, then you haven't been PC gaming for very long. And the way you people accept DRM "well it's no big deal." It IS a big deal, you just have no choice but to deal with it. Steam. Steam = DRM + Website Linux gives you freedom from all the Windows headaches, but you can't even use it, because you need Wincrap just to run games. Or get yourself a nice Macbook Pro. Put all gaming on a throw-away console. Easiest way. My 2 cents.ZombieKiller7
Nobody is really flustered here :?
Nobody pretended PC gaming has no faults. Please point us to a quote that did.
It's a big deal to you. Steam, as a form of DRM, is light and affects my gameplay in no discernable way.
Anyway, you seem to have missed my last post replying to yours, or did you ignore it?
[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Hah PC gamers getting all flustered. Pretending a game never blue-screened on them, or some cryptic message or error. Over the years I've owned many, many PC games that just would not run with a particular piece of hardware, incompatibilities, you name it. If you've never had problems running a game, then you haven't been PC gaming for very long. And the way you people accept DRM "well it's no big deal." It IS a big deal, you just have no choice but to deal with it. Steam. Steam = DRM + Website Linux gives you freedom from all the Windows headaches, but you can't even use it, because you need Wincrap just to run games. Or get yourself a nice Macbook Pro. Put all gaming on a throw-away console. Easiest way. My 2 cents.jedikevin2
I have NEVER had a blue screen from a game.. Guess I haven't been gaming on my PC long enough? Never had any crypitc message. The worst i've ever experienced is a game kicking me back to the desktop. Why are you claiming things and belittling people when obviously you have no way to prove your claim?
Getting kicked to desktop isn't cryptic? And where do you see belittling? Wow never blue-screened, lucky guy. Guess you never had a game freeze either.
[QUOTE="jedikevin2"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Hah PC gamers getting all flustered. Pretending a game never blue-screened on them, or some cryptic message or error. Over the years I've owned many, many PC games that just would not run with a particular piece of hardware, incompatibilities, you name it. If you've never had problems running a game, then you haven't been PC gaming for very long. And the way you people accept DRM "well it's no big deal." It IS a big deal, you just have no choice but to deal with it. Steam. Steam = DRM + Website Linux gives you freedom from all the Windows headaches, but you can't even use it, because you need Wincrap just to run games. Or get yourself a nice Macbook Pro. Put all gaming on a throw-away console. Easiest way. My 2 cents.ZombieKiller7
I have NEVER had a blue screen from a game.. Guess I haven't been gaming on my PC long enough? Never had any crypitc message. The worst i've ever experienced is a game kicking me back to the desktop. Why are you claiming things and belittling people when obviously you have no way to prove your claim?
Getting kicked to desktop isn't cryptic? And where do you see belittling? Wow never blue-screened, lucky guy. Guess you never had a game freeze either.I had a few game freeze on me the last few months. Yakuza 4,Heavy Rain and Motorstorm: Pacific Rift were some of them.
Nobody pretended PC gaming has no faults. Please point us to a quote that did. It's a big deal to you. Steam, as a form of DRM, is light and affects my gameplay in no discernable way.Anyway, you seem to have missed my last post replying to yours, or did you ignore it?lundy86_4You'll have to be patient as there's alot of people feeling defensive right now. If your internet goes out without prior warning, can you still play?
[QUOTE="jedikevin2"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Hah PC gamers getting all flustered. Pretending a game never blue-screened on them, or some cryptic message or error. Over the years I've owned many, many PC games that just would not run with a particular piece of hardware, incompatibilities, you name it. If you've never had problems running a game, then you haven't been PC gaming for very long. And the way you people accept DRM "well it's no big deal." It IS a big deal, you just have no choice but to deal with it. Steam. Steam = DRM + Website Linux gives you freedom from all the Windows headaches, but you can't even use it, because you need Wincrap just to run games. Or get yourself a nice Macbook Pro. Put all gaming on a throw-away console. Easiest way. My 2 cents.ZombieKiller7
I have NEVER had a blue screen from a game.. Guess I haven't been gaming on my PC long enough? Never had any crypitc message. The worst i've ever experienced is a game kicking me back to the desktop. Why are you claiming things and belittling people when obviously you have no way to prove your claim?
Getting kicked to desktop isn't cryptic? And where do you see belittling? Wow never blue-screened, lucky guy. Guess you never had a game freeze either.You claimed anyone who doesn't get a error hasn't played Pc long enough. You start talking about "You people"... Don't know what your really talking about but notice how you went from talking about the platform to talking about people who play on a PC? Thats where the belittling come from. Yes, never had a game freeze on me (not stating it doesn't happen but just "my 2 cents").
You've claimed steam is a virus, No one cares about shogun, trash talked Pc gamers, and now are trying to backtrack on your statement. Many of your points ahve already been disproven yet you do not respond to those putting logic back in your face. Sad thread, this thread is sad.
Getting kicked to desktop isn't cryptic? And where do you see belittling? Wow never blue-screened, lucky guy. Guess you never had a game freeze either.ZombieKiller7
Because getting kicked to the desktop is so much worse than having your game freeze on your console, or having the console fail altogether with no way to replace parts, other than buying a new one.
You'll have to be patient as there's alot of people feeling defensive right now. If your internet goes out without prior warning, can you still play?ZombieKiller7
Nobody's being defensive. In fact, they seem to be on the offensive, and you on the defensive.
Anyway, so we're still talking about one form of DRM in one game... K, you're point has just become ridiculous. PC has hundreds, if not thousands of games, yet you need to fall on one form of DRM for one game :lol: If you're talking about Steam *cough* Offline Mode *cough*
Also, address my points from my last post. Or just ignore them, whatever.
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