Is PC gaming really that great?

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] They are endemic to PC. You don't even have to be running any games for it to happen. Please show me a blue-screen error that you have gotten on any console.Heirren

same difference.

NOT the same. See, I've never seen that in my life and I don't know a single person, personally, that has had a ps3 crap out on them. On the other hand, I don't know a single person that has NOT had problems with the pc in some form. (btw, I don't know a single person that has avoided RROD--rrod is beyond anything. The 360 is made like a POS)

They are the same. The other poster said they are endemic to the PC, meaning that they are native or belonging to. That is simply not true, after being in this gen for as long as we have, I would hope people should understand this. Consoles have these errors, they have happened to thousands and thousands of people. I have seen it first hand.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Which is a plus for the PC :? Pretty sure downloading a driver is quicker than sending in a toy to get repaired. IDK, maybe that's just me......naw.ZombieKiller7

Seriously though, with consoles and console games having mandatory updates, this point is absurd. Also Window's 7 automatically installs drivers for your hardware in most cases.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Either it works or needs to be sent back? LOL what? You do know many of the errors on consoles do not require sending something back in right? Oh man, and now you stated a console is a toaster and that there is some 2000 OMG lol computer.. Man, your going off the deep end.Your points are simple? You have claimed some horrible assumptions, been dissproven several times, you went on to attack PC gamers, drew for straws attempting to fit your argument to something disproven, and now just speaking wild notations...ZombieKiller7

I didn't attack people? Do I really need to restate you stated a Pc gamer with no errors must not have been gaming on a Pc, and then went on you start saying "you people"?

Are we now disregarding the countless members rebuttling your claims over and over?

Sorry that you cannot comprehend my sentences. Thats not my fault. I am simply disproven your claims. If you do not like it, you could stop replying with several logical flawed opinions.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]Works beautifully for me. Can't help there are a lot of stupid people in this world.

millerlight89

So, what personal failing on my part is to blame?

lowe0

NOT the same. See, I've never seen that in my life

Heirren

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="lowe0"] So when something doesn't work, it's because the user must be stupid?lowe0

let me remotely connect to your machine and I'll tell you. Most likely though the fault lies in the person who purchased the game brink.

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So, what personal failing on my part is to blame?

millerlight89

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So, what personal failing on my part is to blame?

lowe0

At the same time Many =/=All. On Pc, things vary. You've heard me tell you that for 2 years just as miller told you. I don't see a poor argument at all. Just a general statement that does not imply all unlike the Tc's claims which were absolute. (millers orginal argument was against the TC, not you) Notice above how now the TC said 100% of PC users have problems. Can he prove that in any way? No.. Just random assumptions made as a absolute.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Considering a majority of errors are created on the users end........and the world is filled with stupid people......um yes. Perhaps you should read through the thread before replying ;)tempest91

let me remotely connect to your machine and I'll tell you. Most likely though the fault lies in the person who purchased the game brink.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="lowe0"] So when something doesn't work, it's because the user must be stupid?lowe0

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So, what personal failing on my part is to blame?

lowe0

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Nope, but us smart people know how to go about fixing those problems. We fix our own problems, console gamers don't have that luxury. You are going to have user error on such an open platform, that's pretty obvious. No it isn't a fault of the PC's.ZombieKiller7

100% of PC users have problems that need fixing? That is simply untrue. Your trolling is growing quite stale I'm afraid.

They are the same. The other poster said they are endemic to the PC, meaning that they are native or belonging to. That is simply not true, after being in this gen for as long as we have, I would hope people should understand this. Consoles have these errors they have happened to thousands and thousands of people. I have seen it first hand.tempest91

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Nope, but us smart people know how to go about fixing those problems. We fix our own problems, console gamers don't have that luxury. You are going to have user error on such an open platform, that's pretty obvious. No it isn't a fault of the PC's.ZombieKiller7

Were on earth do you get these numbers from???

100% of pc gamers have problems with there computer? Thats not true... I know plenty of people who dont have issues with there pc..

Stop talkign rubbish and post some facts/links with your ridicolous claims.

1. Start up steam

2. press game name you want to play

3. play the game

Its not very hard, dont even have to put in a disc...

When an error happens on a console, it's an abnormal condition, and you either need warrenty service or some piece of hardware is failing.ZombieKiller7

Not at all. Some errors can simply require a hard-reset (such as the console freezing), and can also be to do with software (issues with updates) and is not essentially a hardware failure.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]They are the same. The other poster said they are endemic to the PC, meaning that they are native or belonging to. That is simply not true, after being in this gen for as long as we have, I would hope people should understand this. Consoles have these errors they have happened to thousands and thousands of people. I have seen it first hand.ZombieKiller7

Do you even know of all the problems on consoles? Even I know not all errors/problems have to do with hardware, and many do not require warranty service. TC, your disrespecting everyone at this point. Where are you getting this information?

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] K. Right now, Brink hard locks my machine. I only have a clean install of Win7 x64, SP1 and latest updates, latest drivers, MSE, and Steam installed. Nothing is overclocked, cooling is great, every piece of hardware is from a top shelf vendor such as Evga or Corsair (same vendors for as many parts as possible). So, what personal failing on my part is to blame?

lowe0

let me remotely connect to your machine and I'll tell you. Most likely though the fault lies in the person who purchased the game brink.

Wow, someone is awfully salty today. God forbid someone tries to lighten the mood around here without getting their head bitten off. And my original point stands. Brink is the problem.

No random numbers at all sir. Failure rate across consoles is about %10. %100 of PC users will have some error message, as you said it's just part of having an open platform.ZombieKiller7

360 RROD rate was estimated at higher than 10% my friend. Unless you have something showing that all consoles combined have a 10% failure rate. I'll await these links.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] Nope, but us smart people know how to go about fixing those problems. We fix our own problems, console gamers don't have that luxury. You are going to have user error on such an open platform, that's pretty obvious. No it isn't a fault of the PC's.kozzy1234

Were on earth do you get these numbers from???

100% of pc gamers have problems with there computer? Thats not true... I know plenty of people who dont have issues with there pc..

Stop talkign rubbish and post some facts/links with your ridicolous claims.

1. Start up steam

2. press game nae you want to play

3. play the game

Its not very hard, dont even have to put in a disc

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] Console users don't tend to HAVE problems in the first place, hardware failure is what %10 now? So %90 of people never have any problem popping in a disk and just playing whatever. As opposed to %100 of PC users who have some driver error, or codec problem, always something happening that needs fixing.ZombieKiller7

He is right, where do you get these ridicolous numbers from?
100% of pc gamers do not have problems, you are lying and making a fool of yourself.

I dont see a link?????? You say 100% of pc gamers have issues well where is the proof?

Jsut stop it with your pc bashing already, we get it.. you dont understand computers, time to move on.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] Console users don't tend to HAVE problems in the first place, hardware failure is what %10 now? So %90 of people never have any problem popping in a disk and just playing whatever. As opposed to %100 of PC users who have some driver error, or codec problem, always something happening that needs fixing.ZombieKiller7

Were on earth do you get these numbers from???

100% of pc gamers have problems with there computer? Thats not true... I know plenty of people who dont have issues with there pc..

Stop talkign rubbish and post some facts/links with your ridicolous claims.

1. Start up steam

2. press game nae you want to play

3. play the game

Its not very hard, dont even have to put in a disc

I am saying that "100% of pc owners have issues" is not true at all.

If it is true then where are your links to back it up?
I know plenty of people who just started pc gaming this gen (4-5 years ago) and have not had any issues on there computer as far as starting games, isntalling games, playign games.

Just because you are not smart with computers does not mean everyone else is also.

In fact... my personal experience this gen =

1. two xbox360's messing up with RROD

^^ Have not had issues like that on my PC yet this gen

[QUOTE="tempest91"]They are the same. The other poster said they are endemic to the PC, meaning that they are native or belonging to. That is simply not true, after being in this gen for as long as we have, I would hope people should understand this. Consoles have these errors they have happened to thousands and thousands of people. I have seen it first hand.ZombieKiller7

that's also incorrect. an error happens when a PC is normal? No, there is somethinng wrong that needs to be fixed in both cases. An open platform just allows for the easier fix, although I can repair a console as well which I've had to so I guess double advantage on my part.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] No random numbers at all sir. Failure rate across consoles is about %10. %100 of PC users will have some error message, as you said it's just part of having an open platform.lundy86_4

360 RROD rate was estimated at higher than 10% my friend. Unless you have something showing that all consoles combined have a 10% failure rate. I'll await these links.

pc is great if your into all that kind of stuff. but if your a person who just wants to get straight to business and just play games. consoles are hassle free.You don't need to worry about anything that all the pc gamers worry about. and trust there aren't alot of people out there like on system wars where they primarily game on pc. I just doesn't happen they are few in far between. Consoles are primary.you wanna play games with ease.Thats why consoles exist and thats why they will continue to exist.

I just doesn't happen they are few in far between.Gotham-Calls

. consoles are hassle free.You don't need to worry about anything that all the pc gamers worry about. and trust there aren't alot of people out there like on system wars where they primarily game on pc. I just doesn't happen they are few in far between. Consoles are primary.you wanna play games with ease.Thats why consoles exist and thats why they will continue to exist.

Gotham-Calls

Thats not true, I have had far more problems with my xbox360's this gen then my pc. You say you dont have to worry about anything on consoles? Wrong, I had to twice worry about getting my xbox360s fixed, no issues with my pc though.

Also what about the PC having more high scoring games then the consoles this gen? What about the HUGE PC gaming sales the last few years? Digital Distribution sales? EA even said they make more money on PC then consoles.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] No random numbers at all sir. Failure rate across consoles is about %10. %100 of PC users will have some error message, as you said it's just part of having an open platform.ZombieKiller7

360 RROD rate was estimated at higher than 10% my friend. Unless you have something showing that all consoles combined have a 10% failure rate. I'll await these links.

You might want to look at your "source", They state per year failure rate base on 500,000 submissions. the averages each year is over 10% for the 360.. Is this where your getting your information from?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] No random numbers at all sir. Failure rate across consoles is about %10. %100 of PC users will have some error message, as you said it's just part of having an open platform.ZombieKiller7

360 RROD rate was estimated at higher than 10% my friend. Unless you have something showing that all consoles combined have a 10% failure rate. I'll await these links.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] No random numbers at all sir. Failure rate across consoles is about %10. %100 of PC users will have some error message, as you said it's just part of having an open platform.ZombieKiller7

360 RROD rate was estimated at higher than 10% my friend. Unless you have something showing that all consoles combined have a 10% failure rate. I'll await these links.

haha, did you even read your own link? such fail.

How this thread is still open I will never understand :lol:

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] Never said they are ALL user errors. Notice a said many. See many =/= all. In fact many just means a lot. You see? Never had that happen on me though, so one has to wonder...hmmm

millerlight89

I am saying that "100% of pc owners have issues" is not true at all. If it is true then where are your links to back it up?I know plenty of people who just started pc gaming this gen (4-5 years ago) and have not had any issues on there computer as far as starting games, isntalling games, playign games. Just because you are not smart with computers does not mean everyone else is also. In fact... my personal experience this gen = two xbox360's messing up with RROD Have not had issues like that on my PC yet this genkozzy1234

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] No random numbers at all sir. Failure rate across consoles is about %10. %100 of PC users will have some error message, as you said it's just part of having an open platform.ZombieKiller7

360 RROD rate was estimated at higher than 10% my friend. Unless you have something showing that all consoles combined have a 10% failure rate. I'll await these links.

Your own link proves you wrong :lol:

That 10% is just for The Xbox Slim as an average. there is still plenty of people still using older 360's which still are in the 25%+ failure rate. the page also notes in 2010 Xbox failure rate was 48% and in 2011 its 18% since the jasper and slim have been in the market and replqcements are not older models.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="lowe0"] The word "many" is not a get out of jail free card for a poor argument.lowe0

You do know this all started as a rebuttle to the TC use of "people" which miller simply did a generic rebuttle too right? You then came in and brought your own issue to try to counter miller though his statement had nothing to do with you and was a general statement.

1. Everyone praises Steam, but you know that you don't really own those games. If you can't sell it then you don't own it. If and when the servers go out, you can't play the games you supposedly own. Steam is like a virus. 2. DRM is getting more and more annoying and invasive. 3. You are never completely sure if a game will even run. Looking at minimum spec you see "Windows XP" and "Windows Vista" specs. But will it run under Windows 7? Spend $40 on a game, not even guaranteed to run on your OS, or even PREVENTED from running by the DRM. At least I can return my game if I don't like it. Can you return PC games if you don't like them? 4. I don't see how PC gaming is even viable without using cracks, or downloading a clean copy of the game from torrents to avoid having rootkits installed or having your DVD player locked, or having always-on internet DRM. 5. The way developers treat PC gamers is abominable. They literally treat you like garbage. The pirates get a more playable game than the legitimate customers. 6. More and more exclusives that you can't play on PC. Halo. Gears. Uncharted. MGS. Infamous. Meanwhile more of more "PC games" coming to console. Witcher 2. Deus Ex. Torchlight. 7. Developers purposely nerfing PC games to make them "equal" to consoles. For example CoD type games setting 12vs12 player limits on PC when it can handle alot more. 8. Inequality. Some people have better hardware and can kill you faster because of it. Console is a more egalitarian way, everybody is using the same hardware, has the same framerates, if they kill you they were simply better. 9. Hodge podge of standards. Direct X, Glide, Shader 1.0/2.0, ATi, NVidia, new cards and new standards coming out, Sandy Bridge, Piledriver, AMD vs Intel, at least I know for a fact that when I pop in the disk, it's gonna run. 10. Seperation of work/play. I like the fact that on my PC I don't have gaming crap all over the place. Everything is neat and organized, and I don't need a bulky deskptop to do my work, can use a tiny netbook or something to get my work done, and just play on 360. Every 5-10 years buy a new console for $300, it doesn't get any easier than that. I was a PC gamer since the Commodore 64. But since 2008 I saw the writing on the wall. While PC is a powerful platform, developers are making it garbage to try to protect their profits. They are deliberately screwing over PC users, adding more and more invasive DRM even down to the hardware level. Purely for gaming, console is the way to go. Flamesuit onZombieKiller7

1. Valve has stated several times that if the company were to go out of business they would release a patch allowing users to play the games without connecting to Steam anymore.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=870603&page=2

2.DRM is largely an overblown issue. I didn't even find Ubisoft's DRM to be all that interuptive beyond the first couple of days they started using it. Even that was mainly because people were launch DDoS attacks against it.

3. I have never had that problem...ever.

4. Not even sure what you're getting at. I play without any of that stuff and I get along just fine.

5. Simply not true especially if you play online

6. Plenty of exclusives on PC that cannot be played on consoles. If you like MMO or RTS games you're pretty much out of luck on the consoles.

7. Probably the only legitiment complaint you've come up with in this thread thus far.

8. On to flip side consoles lose the ability to have better framerates and extra graphical options. Even then its the user's responsibility to know how well their computer can run the game and what settings allow for the best framerates for their computer. Its really not that hard. If someone is getting 15 FPS in CoD and not lowering their settings then its their own fault.

9. Really nothing complicated about any of that. The same thing could be said about all the different kinds of consoles coming out. You have the basic model vs the model with a bigger hdd. AMD vs Intel and Nvidia vs ATI really isn't complicated to understand.

10. All of that is you're personal preference. I have no problem organizing stuff on my computers.

Btw: I seem to remember paying $600 for my PS3 and $400 for my Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="lowe0"] The word "many" is not a get out of jail free card for a poor argument.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Obviously it was a great argument as all you have to say is about the word many. Though if you notice in my original post that you couldn't let go, even though it was a poor argument.....yea. Anyways, not a get out of jail free card, just pointing out many=/= all when you try to disprove me by using yourself as an example. Pretty straight forward I think, simple to understand.jedikevin2

You do know this all started as a rebuttle to the TC use of "people" which miller simply did a generic rebuttle too right? You then came in and brought your own issue to try to counter miller though his statement had nothing to do with you and was a general statement.

belive me most pc gamers know their rig inisde and out. they know if they can run a game or not

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]I am saying that "100% of pc owners have issues" is not true at all. If it is true then where are your links to back it up?I know plenty of people who just started pc gaming this gen (4-5 years ago) and have not had any issues on there computer as far as starting games, isntalling games, playign games. Just because you are not smart with computers does not mean everyone else is also. In fact... my personal experience this gen = two xbox360's messing up with RROD Have not had issues like that on my PC yet this genZombieKiller7

TC, saying 100% implies that EVERY single person in the world with a Pc has had a issue. If one person says they have not, your whole argument is destroyed. There is no exageration. You stated a false absolute. You cannot back up that claim.

The incredible level of failure from the TC in this thread is very impressive, that last link made me lol, the fact that he actually posted it, lol. I love how the argument went from 10 points down to just one...which the TC is now desperately trying to cling too.

PC's crash etc etc

I've been using a PC for gaming for over 10 years, in that time I've had no problems installing or running any game. None of my games crash at all, they all just install at the press of a button, run at the press of a button etc

I also know numerous other PC gamers who have at no point had any major problems either. Sorry TC, you are delusional. If there was a hardware problem, the situation is far easier to remedy on a PC than a console.

So during this entirely trouble free time I've had the joy of better games, better graphics, better sound, better controls, far better framerates (smoother games) a bigger back catalogue of great games, games over 10 years old I can still play which are classics, endless modding opportunities for great games, a far more mature community in general...basically every single advantage a gaming platform could have.

It isn't even a contest, unless you are 10 years old and just want to sit in front of a TV mashing some buttons to the "Incredible Hulk" game for a bit each day, PC gaming is in a different league to console gaming.