Is PC gaming really that great?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]Nobody pretended PC gaming has no faults. Please point us to a quote that did. It's a big deal to you. Steam, as a form of DRM, is light and affects my gameplay in no discernable way.Anyway, you seem to have missed my last post replying to yours, or did you ignore it?ZombieKiller7

Better than console gaming I can tell you that and I've owned all the good consoles.

1. I have never sold a game anyway, so this doesnt really bother me. If the servers go out, Valve promised to do something that will let us keep the games we bought, and besides, I dont think Steam is going down anytime soon.
2. I agree on this one, DRM is getting more and more invasive and the reason it is is because we let it. If we stop buying games with redicilous DRM we might send a message to the developers.
3. You can make such games run on Windows 7, you just need to play with some settings, so far I have gotten every game to work.
4. You just dont buy those games. As simple as that, there are plenty that avoid such DRM.
5. Once again, that dephends on the game or rather developer.
6. While I see why those games appeal to some people. I am personally not into Whac-a-Moles such as Uncharted, Gears or Infamous. Btw, PC has halo. Halo 1 and 2. There are a lot of console exclusives missing, just like there are a lot of PC exclusives missing in console libraries. PC has more quality exclusives than all 3 consoles combined. Even if PC games are being ported to consoles, we PC gamers still have a large library, exclusive or not. We got the best multiplats as well.
7. Consolization bothers us, and it is a shame some of our games are being held back. Thankfully titles like Battlefield 3 seems to avoid this, and as a result, gotten huge support from the PC fanbase.
8. Equality is a problem with consoles as well, ever heard of latency?
9. I know people with computers from 2007 that have no big issues running the latest games, not on the highest settings, but they still run them.
10. That is your opinion and I wont argue with it, but with PC gaming I have all my electronic needs in one system. A PC may be more expensive than a console, but the games are cheaper. Especially when you factor in all the steam sales. Not to mention PC games tend to last longer than console games due to modding and the fact that communities tend to stick to games for much longer.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

I have NEVER had a blue screen from a game.. Guess I haven't been gaming on my PC long enough? Never had any crypitc message. The worst i've ever experienced is a game kicking me back to the desktop. Why are you claiming things and belittling people when obviously you have no way to prove your claim?

jedikevin2

You claimed anyone who doesn't get a error hasn't played Pc long enough. You start talking about "You people"... Don't know what your really talking about but notice how you went from talking about the platform to talking about people who play on a PC? Thats where the belittling come from. Yes, never had a game freeze on me (not stating it doesn't happen but just "my 2 cents").

You've claimed steam is a virus, No one cares about shogun, trash talked Pc gamers, and now are trying to backtrack on your statement. Many of your points ahve already been disproven yet you do not respond to those putting logic back in your face. Sad thread, this thread is sad.

indeed most sad.. its like watching the enemies in painkiller shamble towards me in slow mo.. after a while you feel sorry for them being so slow and cumbersome while your are as nimble as a dervish with the awesomeness of ranged weaponry.

also if you were a pc gamer dating back to commodore youd know that there are FAR more reasons to be on a pc rather than a cnsole.. ive neevr heard fo you before.. your not one of "my people.." your another nobody pretending.. fail troll is fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wptsxgLRXcI

you suck!

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]Nobody pretended PC gaming has no faults. Please point us to a quote that did. It's a big deal to you. Steam, as a form of DRM, is light and affects my gameplay in no discernable way.Anyway, you seem to have missed my last post replying to yours, or did you ignore it?Arach666

Wait, he would have to use steam to know that.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

I have NEVER had a blue screen from a game.. Guess I haven't been gaming on my PC long enough? Never had any crypitc message. The worst i've ever experienced is a game kicking me back to the desktop. Why are you claiming things and belittling people when obviously you have no way to prove your claim?

jedikevin2

You claimed anyone who doesn't get a error hasn't played Pc long enough. You start talking about "You people"... Don't know what your really talking about but notice how you went from talking about the platform to talking about people who play on a PC? Thats where the belittling come from. Yes, never had a game freeze on me (not stating it doesn't happen but just "my 2 cents").

You've claimed steam is a virus, No one cares about shogun, trash talked Pc gamers, and now are trying to backtrack on your statement. Many of your points ahve already been disproven yet you do not respond to those putting logic back in your face. Sad thread, this thread is sad.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Hah PC gamers getting all flustered. Pretending a game never blue-screened on them, or some cryptic message or error. Over the years I've owned many, many PC games that just would not run with a particular piece of hardware, incompatibilities, you name it. If you've never had problems running a game, then you haven't been PC gaming for very long. And the way you people accept DRM "well it's no big deal." It IS a big deal, you just have no choice but to deal with it. Steam. Steam = DRM + Website Linux gives you freedom from all the Windows headaches, but you can't even use it, because you need Wincrap just to run games. Or get yourself a nice Macbook Pro. Put all gaming on a throw-away console. Easiest way. My 2 cents.Vaasman

The red screen of death has happened to me more times on my PS3 than the blue screen on my windows7 pc.

This might be the worst ANTI pc thread ive ever seen.

Horrible reasons you listed

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] Getting kicked to desktop isn't cryptic? And where do you see belittling? Wow never blue-screened, lucky guy. Guess you never had a game freeze either.ZombieKiller7

You claimed anyone who doesn't get a error hasn't played Pc long enough. You start talking about "You people"... Don't know what your really talking about but notice how you went from talking about the platform to talking about people who play on a PC? Thats where the belittling come from. Yes, never had a game freeze on me (not stating it doesn't happen but just "my 2 cents").

You've claimed steam is a virus, No one cares about shogun, trash talked Pc gamers, and now are trying to backtrack on your statement. Many of your points ahve already been disproven yet you do not respond to those putting logic back in your face. Sad thread, this thread is sad.

The fact that you seem only to respond to purely emotional or subjective content kind of strengthens that interpretation. I mean, you were just given half a dozen reasons from that poster that your original post was objectively flawed (not to mention three or four pages from other posters). You instead decided to focus on manufacturing an emotional outburst from your opponents.

I like both console gaming and pc gaming. Started on consoles, moved to pcs, and then back to consoles. I still like pc gaming, but I don't like filling up my work pc with games. However, all I really want to say is that I think anyone that plays pc games that says they've never had an error is full of $**t. I've gotten errors that I didn't even understand. Blue screen, crashes, and even simple things like trying to boot a game by clicking an Icon on the desktop--only to have nothing happen.

I like both console gaming and pc gaming. Started on consoles, moved to pcs, and then back to consoles. I still like pc gaming, but I don't like filling up my work pc with games. However, all I really want to say is that I think anyone that plays pc games that says they've never had an error is full of $**t. I've gotten errors that I didn't even understand. Blue screen, crashes, and even simple things like trying to boot a game by clicking an Icon on the desktop--only to have nothing happen.

Heirren

Naturally. Errors are not endemic to the PC though, which has been my qualm with TC's "points".

Yes,you can. Theres a offline mode you know?Arach666

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] Getting kicked to desktop isn't cryptic? And where do you see belittling? Wow never blue-screened, lucky guy. Guess you never had a game freeze either.ZombieKiller7

You claimed anyone who doesn't get a error hasn't played Pc long enough. You start talking about "You people"... Don't know what your really talking about but notice how you went from talking about the platform to talking about people who play on a PC? Thats where the belittling come from. Yes, never had a game freeze on me (not stating it doesn't happen but just "my 2 cents").

You've claimed steam is a virus, No one cares about shogun, trash talked Pc gamers, and now are trying to backtrack on your statement. Many of your points ahve already been disproven yet you do not respond to those putting logic back in your face. Sad thread, this thread is sad.

LOL... Your getting a bit hilarious. Again, you can't back up your claims, aknowledging you switched to talking about the peoplre and not the platform, have yet to rebuttle peoples logic against your statements, and finished your opinion up by claiming something of me.. LOL.. Oh man, your getting more outrageous with each post.

Please google "Steam offline mode doesn't work" and sort thru the 100k+ problems people have had with it. NextZombieKiller7

So long as Steam is up to date, it will absolutely work :?

It was designed specifically for people to game, if they were going to lack internet for a period of time (not long term).

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Yes,you can. Theres a offline mode you know?ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Yes,you can. Theres a offline mode you know?ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Yes,you can. Theres a offline mode you know?ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I like both console gaming and pc gaming. Started on consoles, moved to pcs, and then back to consoles. I still like pc gaming, but I don't like filling up my work pc with games. However, all I really want to say is that I think anyone that plays pc games that says they've never had an error is full of $**t. I've gotten errors that I didn't even understand. Blue screen, crashes, and even simple things like trying to boot a game by clicking an Icon on the desktop--only to have nothing happen.

lundy86_4

Naturally. Errors are not endemic to the PC though, which has been my qualm with TC's "points".

They are endemic to PC. You don't even have to be running any games for it to happen. Please show me a blue-screen error that you have gotten on any console.ZombieKiller7

Errors are endemic to PC? So my 360/PS3 freezing in games, and even on the XMB/Dashboard are not errors? It seems you are simply trying to change the definition of a word to suit your argument... Which is, you know, weird.

A BSOD is an error with Windows, consoles receive their own error codes, as they don't run Windows.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I like both console gaming and pc gaming. Started on consoles, moved to pcs, and then back to consoles. I still like pc gaming, but I don't like filling up my work pc with games. However, all I really want to say is that I think anyone that plays pc games that says they've never had an error is full of $**t. I've gotten errors that I didn't even understand. Blue screen, crashes, and even simple things like trying to boot a game by clicking an Icon on the desktop--only to have nothing happen.

lundy86_4

Naturally. Errors are not endemic to the PC though, which has been my qualm with TC's "points".

That is true, but it is much higher on the pc. Regardless, I think the TC brought up a lot of real good points. Steam is alright, right NOW, but the direction it can taking game sales can potentially be no good. It is without a doubt the #1 way to buy pc games digitally. If it takes over they'll have full control of how games are sold.

Please show me a blue-screen error that you have gotten on any console.ZombieKiller7

More like red and yellow.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I like both console gaming and pc gaming. Started on consoles, moved to pcs, and then back to consoles. I still like pc gaming, but I don't like filling up my work pc with games. However, all I really want to say is that I think anyone that plays pc games that says they've never had an error is full of $**t. I've gotten errors that I didn't even understand. Blue screen, crashes, and even simple things like trying to boot a game by clicking an Icon on the desktop--only to have nothing happen.

ZombieKiller7

Naturally. Errors are not endemic to the PC though, which has been my qualm with TC's "points".

same difference.

That is true, but it is much higher on the pc. Regardless, I think the TC brought up a lot of real good points. Steam is alright, right NOW, but the direction it can taking game sales can potentially be no good. It is without a doubt the #1 way to buy pc games digitally. If it takes over they'll have full control of how games are sold.

Heirren

I don't think anybody could argue against that. It's the nature of an open system, after all.

Unfortuantely, we're talking in "what ifs", which really does not help the here and now. Could it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Who knows? Chances are Valve will be extremely limited in the control of what they offer eventually, as i'm sure consumers will be protected.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="Arach666"]Yes,you can. Theres a offline mode you know?millerlight89

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I like both console gaming and pc gaming. Started on consoles, moved to pcs, and then back to consoles. I still like pc gaming, but I don't like filling up my work pc with games. However, all I really want to say is that I think anyone that plays pc games that says they've never had an error is full of $**t. I've gotten errors that I didn't even understand. Blue screen, crashes, and even simple things like trying to boot a game by clicking an Icon on the desktop--only to have nothing happen.

ZombieKiller7

Naturally. Errors are not endemic to the PC though, which has been my qualm with TC's "points".

Errors are endemic to PC? So my 360/PS3 freezing in games, and even on the XMB/Dashboard are not errors? It seems you are simply trying to change the definition of a word to suit your argument... Which is, you know, weird.A BSOD is an error with Windows, consoles receive their own error codes, as they don't run Windows.lundy86_4

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] Please google "Steam offline mode doesn't work" and sort thru the 100k+ problems people have had with it. Nextlowe0

Should read the context of what the TC has been argueing before diming in lowe0. he's been all over the place with wild claims.

Console is an appliance, like a toaster. If you get errors on your toaster, you need to send it back for warrenty service, or get a new toaster. A PC is an instrument. It WILL have errors and various problems that you must deal with, not limited to BSOD, hardware failure, OS failure, malware, the whole shabang.ZombieKiller7

I didn't state they were the same thing, however as shown in a screen above, some errors that the PS3 throws out are not just "send in to Sony for a fix". Read the error message.

Regardless, PC's also have Microsoft Windows support and hardware support from manufacturers.

Like I said, they are not endemic to PC's, as these errors can happen on pretty much any system (heck they happen on my phone), so stop spreading nonsense.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Naturally. Errors are not endemic to the PC though, which has been my qualm with TC's "points".

tempest91

same difference.

NOT the same. See, I've never seen that in my life and I don't know a single person, personally, that has had a ps3 crap out on them. On the other hand, I don't know a single person that has NOT had problems with the pc in some form. (btw, I don't know a single person that has avoided RROD--rrod is beyond anything. The 360 is made like a POS)

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]Works beautifully for me. Can't help there are a lot of stupid people in this world.

jedikevin2

Should read the context of what the TC has been argueing before diming in lowe0. he's been all over the place with wild claims.

its okay but there are some people on here that really make it look alot better then it actually is..

Personally for me the exclusives for the consoles are far far more entertaining FOR ME then what is on the PC. Not really alot of PC exclusives that interest me to warrant upgrades to my pc

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] Please google "Steam offline mode doesn't work" and sort thru the 100k+ problems people have had with it. Nextlowe0

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Unfortunately, your anecdotal experience probably won't be taken as gospel.

Should read the context of what the TC has been argueing before diming in lowe0. he's been all over the place with wild claims.jedikevin2

I haven't been anywhere. Please don't libel me. Just saying console don't have as many problems that the user must deal with. Either it works, or it needs to be sent in for warrenty. You don't need to download any drivers, swap out cards or do anything else you might do on a PC. My points are simple, the problem is people don't like hearing them, they don't like hearing that a $299 toaster has replaced their $2000 "omgbbq NVIDIA INTEL QUAD CORE" beast with Steam "the offline usually works. usually" DRM.ZombieKiller7

Nothing has replaced the PC. If it had, the PC gaming market wouldn't be growing.

Furthermore, if you read that error for the PS3 above, not everything would qualify for a warranty repair. Crashes/freezes can simply be an error with the OS or update, and thus just need a reset (like a lot of PC errors), or may require a warranty fix, which is also offered by PC suppliers/manufacturers.

I don't think anybody stated PC's receive less or equal amounts of errors in comparison to consoles.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Should read the context of what the TC has been argueing before diming in lowe0. he's been all over the place with wild claims.ZombieKiller7

LOL.. I was talking to lowe0

@lowe0, As long as you been reading this wild thread, nothing wrong.

Back to TC..

Either it works or needs to be sent back? LOL what? You do know many of the errors on consoles do not require sending something back in right? Oh man, and now you stated a console is a toaster and that there is some 2000 OMG lol computer.. Man, your going off the deep end.

Your points are simple? You have claimed some horrible assumptions, been dissproven several times, you went on to attack PC gamers, drew for straws attempting to fit your argument to something disproven, and now just speaking wild notations...

Yes because electronics break down more often than needing a patch/update/driver. Oh wai...ZombieKiller7

Driver updates are very rarely mandatory, so it's could be possible. Patching and updates are something all games need, so the relevance isn't really there.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]Works beautifully for me. Can't help there are a lot of stupid people in this world.

millerlight89

indeed.. IT's have a funny little joke for when they return your pc to you after getting it fixed.. we go "oh you have a BKI error" BKI stands for "beyond keybaord interface" whats beyond the keyboard.. your fingers genius!!!

Either it works or needs to be sent back? LOL what? You do know many of the errors on consoles do not require sending something back in right? Oh man, and now you stated a console is a toaster and that there is some 2000 OMG lol computer.. Man, your going off the deep end.Your points are simple? You have claimed some horrible assumptions, been dissproven several times, you went on to attack PC gamers, drew for straws attempting to fit your argument to something disproven, and now just speaking wild notations...jedikevin2