IS PS3 graphically more advanced?-I have facts and links to back this up

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#101 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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What I can't believe is that you 360 fanboys still praise microsoft after they push all this kinect crap. I mean disneyland, sesame street. They should have called it the F-BOX for... you know family box. The only game they showed at e3 was Gearsguitarrocker13
Are you trying to bait? Your argument is that the PS3 is more powerful. STICK TO THAT.
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#102 ronvalencia
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I do have a technical background and in that video and another video i had as a link they said PS3 has more potential but only first party devs can get that. Go to the PS3 confined to prosperous exclusives and watch that video.

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"More potential" for basic ADD-MUL GFLOPs, but it doesn't factor in the complex fix functions instructions e.g. DX10/AMD Xenos's single cycle 3DC+ texture compression format decoding hardware.PS3's "more potential" gets wasted on RSX/G70's hardware caveats or limitations e.g. refer to to my NVIDIA RSX/G7X limitation post.

This is one reasons why Direct3D based GPU hardware gets upgraded i.e. gains additional hardware functions e.g. new texture compression formats such as BC6(HDR textures) and BC7(LDR textures), hull shaders and domain shaders (i.e. these are single pass steps for before and after tessellation stage).

SPE's insturction set is based on PowerPC's Altivec/VMX.

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What I can't believe is that you 360 fanboys still praise microsoft after they push all this kinect crap. I mean disneyland, sesame street. They should have called it the F-BOX for... you know family box. The only game they showed at e3 was Gearsguitarrocker13

It appears the arguement you created this thread for has gone absolutely nowhere so now you're just lashing out at anything you can.

Here's a question for you since you dont want to keep your thread on topic. What has Sony done for you that you praise their products and feel the need to put down the oppositions products?.

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#104 guitarrocker13
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I think you are talking about C2 The beginning of crysis 2 the graphics were awesome but it slowly got worse as it went on

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#105 guitarrocker13
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Haha sorry i will get back on topic
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#106 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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I think you are talking about C2 The beginning of crysis 2 the graphics were awesome but it slowly got worse as it went on

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That's not a fact. Stick to your amazingly reliable internet quotes. The graphics actually got better and I have quotes to back it up too. You're not going to win this argument
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#107 guitarrocker13
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Anyways, back in 2006 people ( like CNET) looked at both systems and said that ps3 was a bit more advanced graphically. All im saying is its easy to see what has more potential with a look under the hood
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#108 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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Anyways, back in 2006 people ( like CNET) looked at both systems and said that ps3 was a bit more advanced graphically. All im saying is its easy to see what has more potential with a look under the hoodguitarrocker13
Yeah that's what the whole forum thinks. The PS3 has more potential but it is NOT 20% faster.
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people on that forum are even laughing about how a few reviewers thought it was a new leader, and they compared it to quake 3

BTW here is kz3- which gameinformer said was the best graphically---

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sorry, but crysis 2 on the 360 is now the best looking console game.

CVG:
"best looking fps ever"
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/294813/crysis-2-xbox-360-review/

Eurogamer:
"But it is a world whose intricacy and realism will cause you to stop and stare long after the first drop of the jaw. The sway of tree-tops; the spray of a decorative fountain; the flames erupting from a burst gas pipe: incidental details that grab your attention for their quiet, shocking realism. Who knows how Crytek managed to squeeze Cry Engine 3 onto the consoles while maintaining such extraordinary level of detail? But this world sits next to Uncharted 2's as the most detailed and well-expressed yet seen on our TVs."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-22-crysis-2-review

PSU:
"best looking shooter on PlayStation 3"
http://www.psu.com/Crysis-2-Review--a011074-p0.php

electripig:
"Crysis 2 is outstanding in almost every department, not least its visuals, which are the very best either PS3 or Xbox 360 has to offer right now"
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/03/22/crysis-2-review/

GamesRadar:
"Crysis 2 does run on consoles, and it does so beautifully. We're calling it now: Crysis 2 is possibly the best-looking console game ever."
http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/crysis-2/review/crysis-2-review/a-20110318143744168062/g-20090601103043632061

justpushstart.com
"I find Crysis 2 visuals to be superior to similar shooters like Call of Duty: Black Ops or Killzone 3."
http://www.justpushstart.com/2011/03/22/crysis-2-review/

xg247.co.uk
"Crysis 2 is definitely the best looking game on consoles and PC"
http://www.xg247.co.uk/reviews/crysis2/

denofgeek
"I honestly think that this may well be the single best looking FPS I've ever seen, on any platform. It really does look that good."
http://www.denofgeek.com/games/820739/crysis_2_xbox_360_review.html

XXLGaming:"The games visuals were just jaw dropping and I have to agree when Crytek says it is setting the bar in console gaming graphics. Just wow."
http://www.xxlgaming.com/staffreview.asp?gameID=519

joystiq: Though about the millionth FPS built around a plot of an alien invasion, give or take a few, it's also the most beautiful.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/22/crysis-2-review/

destructoid: Naturally, the gameplay is all wrapped up with some of the most gorgeous visuals you'll see in a videogame.
http://www.destructoid.com/review-crysis-2-196986.phtml

gameinformer: Crytek wisely sticks to the traits that made the first game successful while simultaneously pushing the boundaries of graphical fidelity.
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/crysis_2/b/ps3/archive/2011/03/22/crysis-2-review-a-welcome-antithesis-to-copycat-shooters.aspx

1up: Crysis 2 is just as visually impressive as its predecessor, even on PS3 and 360.
http://www.1up.com/reviews/crysis-2-review

gamezone: The game looks utterly stunning and is arguably one of the best-looking shooters on consoles. I'm still undecided whether Crysis 2 looks better than the original game, but the fact that there is a discussion about which looks better speaks volumes on what Crytek was able to accomplish with their engine.
http://xbox.gamezone.com/reviews/item/crysis_2/

videogamer: It might come up slightly short compared to Killzone 3 in raw mettle, with an occasionally inconsistent framerate on our PS3 version, but the game is leagues ahead in terms of artistic accomplishment.
http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/crysis_2/review.html

strategyinformer: Crysis 2 is bloody gorgeous, and by far one of the most polished games we've ever played. Watching the cityscape come crashing down around you in all its HD glory is quite the sight, especially in some of the more open areas midway through the main campaign. Whether you've diving across rooftops or making your way into the heart of an alien hive, it's all jaw-dropping throughout.
http://www.strategyinformer.com/xbox360/crysis2/1434/review.html

gamerevolution: Somehow the team over at Crytek has found a way to make their sequel just as visually remarkable as the original and without the need to spend a fortune on a fancy new video card and extra RAM (on the console at least)
http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/xbox360/crysis-2

msxbox-world: Crysis may have been the benchmark game on PC but for console owners there might be a new kid on the block as Crysis 2 really is a sight to behold.
http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/reviews/review/698/Crysis-2.html

metro: Although Crysis 2 swaps an actual jungle for the urban variety, the level of near photorealism remains. Despite the impressive scale the attention to detail is second to none: from hedges that shed leaves as you run through them to the filtering of light through a half-destroyed wall. That all this is running on a middle-aged console, not a state of the art PC, only makes it more impressive.
http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/games/858800-crysis-2-is-state-of-the-art-game-review

Digitaltrends:
"Crytek manages to live up to the hype with Crysis 2, the best-looking console game ever made (except for the glitches)."

Gamespot Kevin VanOrd
"Crysis 2 does an admirable job of living up to the original's reputation of sheer technical prowess"

Gamespy
http://uk.xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/crytek-project/1157367p1.html
Finally, this wouldn't be a Crysis 2 review without some space dedicated to the game's graphics, would it? This is a gorgeous game, certainly one of the best-looking console titles to date

Gamingbolt
http://gamingbolt.com/crysis-2-ps3-review
Crysis 2 for the PlayStation 3 is an exceptional shooter and perhaps the best looking game on the system.

http://digitalchumps.com/game-reviews/34-360/7150-crysis-2.html
digital chumps
"Again, I've never seen a more beautiful game on a console in my life. It will take years, possibly even the next-generation of consoles, before this is trumped."

Digital Foundry
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crysis2-face-off?page=3
There's little doubt that the Xbox 360 is the cleaner, crisper experience and for the most part it commands a small
but significant frame-rate advantage and fewer little glitches; especially outside of combat scenarios,
the game just seems to run that much more smoothly

Lens of Truth
Xbox 360: 29 fps
PS3: 26 fps

IGN:
"Crysis 2 on Xbox 360 has taken the crown for best graphics in a console game"
Graphics xbox 360 - 9.5 (8.5 for PS3)
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1156446p1.html

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#110 ronvalencia
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The PS3 has the same graphics card as my 7 year old computer. I'm not even joking around. ModernSnivy

It has similar GPU as Geforce 7900M GTX (i.e. 500Mhz G71 with the same shader model) with 6 usable (for userland programs) SPEs which are based on PowerPC's Altivec instruction set. PS3 has Intel Atom like CPU core i.e. IBM PPE. Both SPE and PowerPC uses FMA3 format (3 operands).

AMD Bulldozer uses the superior FMA4 format (4 operands).

Unlike Geforce 7900M GTX, RSX's raster performance is on par with Geforce 7600/7700 e.g. 8 ROPs connected to 128bit GDDR3 external bus.

There's nothing magical about PS3.

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Overhype is never a good thing! Remember when only PS3 was able to handle Uncharted 2 graphics....or handle 16 cars on track with GT5 graphics? cof cof gears 3 cof forza 4 cof... :P

gamecubepad

Let's go back even further. "360 could never handle MGS4":shock:

i remember "360 could never handle ghostbusters." and then it went multiplat :lol:

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#112 1stPlaceWinner
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[QUOTE="1stPlaceWinner"][QUOTE="kalipekona"]

Actually devs have not said this. Basically first party Sony devs have said this. Other than that there have been a few devs that have said the 360 was more powerful and a few that said the PS3 was, but the vast majority of devs have said that they are essentially extremely close in overall power.

kalipekona

john carmack has said this

Actually, if you had any technical background and understood what Carmack actually said you would know that it is exactly the opposite. He plainly believes that the 360 is more powerful in the real world. He makes it quite clear that the 360 wins in many key areas such as GPU and memory, and that the PS3 only theoretically wins in the CPU. He emphasized that there is a big difference between what's possible in theory and what's possible in reality. Given an infinite amount of time the PS3's CPU has a higher theoretical peak performance, but given a finite amount of time even in the area of CPU the 360 gives better results. Remember, development time is NEVER infinite.

Many developers have expressed frustration with even getting the PS3 versions of their games on par with the 360 versions.

No he said it's more owerful as far as raw power goes

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#113 PAL360
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What I can't believe is that you 360 fanboys still praise microsoft after they push all this kinect crap. I mean disneyland, sesame street. They should have called it the F-BOX for... you know family box. The only game they showed at e3 was Gearsguitarrocker13

What does MS moves and kinect have to do with 360 and PS3 capabilities?

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#114 KarateeeChop
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What I can't believe is that you 360 fanboys still praise microsoft after they push all this kinect crap. I mean disneyland, sesame street. They should have called it the F-BOX for... you know family box. The only game they showed at e3 was Gearsguitarrocker13

wahhhh!! how dare people like teh xbox!! don't they care about how i feel!??! :cry:

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#115 guitarrocker13
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The fact that one of the reviewers said it looks as good as crysis is funny, also most of them said it one of the better looking games. Also lots of reviewers said the same thing about KZ3
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#116 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

GOW 3 is still the best looking game on consoles not Crysis 2 (sub-hd and full of grpahical and proformance defects) or UC2 despite how good it looks. All talk about UC3 and Gears 3 is desperation becaues neither of those games are out.

Fact is GOW3 still hasn't been surpassed for it's amazing graphics on consoles and it's is a PS3 exclusive. fact is crysis 2 and Killzone 3 are about on par as far as graphics are concerned but Crysis 2 has far more graphical problems than KZ3 does which is amusing seeing all these people trying so hard to get othersto accept it as the best graphical game. lol what's the agenda?

kalipekona

What's your agenda in trying to get people to believe that God of War 3 is the best looking console game? I flat out don't agree with that. I have beat GOW3 and got most of the trophies for it, but I never thought it was even the best looking PS3 game, let alone the best looking game on consoles. Uncharted 2 was easily the more visually impressive game to me.

God of War 3 has many low res textures, non-coherent lighting, and fixed camera angles that prevent you from getting up close to the textures and also reduce the amount of geometry that has to be rendered. A good deal of what makes that game visually enjoyable is the art direction.

why you jumpin all on me bro? it's my opinion.

UC2 isn't better it looks great but don't top GOW3 and nothing else dose either. I aint got no agenda bud it's pretty easy to tell I was compairing Crysis 2 to KZ3. What looks BETTER than GOW3 on consoles--lol Crysis with it's graphical glitches and sub-hd resolution?

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The fact that one of the reviewers said it looks as good as crysis is funny, also most of them said it one of the better looking games. Also lots of reviewers said the same thing about KZ3guitarrocker13

lets not make stuff up now, friend. ;) at least post some links to back up your claim.

i'm not sure why you keep saying that reviewers said the same thing about kz3, considering that cyrsis 2 got a lot more acclaims for top console graphics, and it came out AFTER kz3.

here, let me make this easier to understand. when game B comes out after game A and takes the title of console graphics king from game A, then game A is no longer considered the console graphics king.

get it? :lol:

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#118 themyth01
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I love how his first link contradicts his title. Carmack says Sony went for peak performance but made it practically less optimal, he literally says "Sony made a mistake" regarding the Cell architecture. Oh SW, always good for a laugh.
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#121 guitarrocker13
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Here is another link about ps3's graphics http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/01/05/ps3-smoothing-beyond-that-of-high-end-pc-graphics-card/

DF said the cell can do things high end pc's can't do.

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#123 guitarrocker13
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if you read the whole thing it says 360 can do 4x AA while PS3 can do over 16x MSAA
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#124 KarateeeChop
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I love how his first link contradicts his title. Carmack says Sony went for peak performance but made it practically less optimal, he literally says "Sony made a mistake" regarding the Cell architecture. Oh SW, always good for a laugh. themyth01

this is not the first time this happened :lol:

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#126 guitarrocker13
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"We're seeing PS3 attacking a visual problem using a method that not even the most high-end GPUs are using. You can't help but wonder whether MLAA, in combination with MSAA and a filter to weed out the artefacts, couldn't be hardware-integrated in the next generation consoles. It'll also be interesting to see whether MLAA returns in other PS3 cross-platform projects before then, because it looks extremely good in action." This is from DF'S article.
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#127 youngmurk911
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if the 360 visually looks better than thats what it is na mean........that dont mean tha ps3 is weak, they exclusives just look better

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[QUOTE="guitarrocker13"]if you read the whole thing it says 360 can do 4x AA while PS3 can do over 16x MSAAFizzman

lmao.

nuff said

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#129 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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ps3 cant even do real aa which is super sampling it's a piece of junk same as 360 ps3 and 360 aa are fail dev's might aswell not even try to use it plus as a pc gamer i dont even use it, it just makes ur graphics processor run at higher temps and lower's ur framerate.
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#130 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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AA is good for taking pretty screenshot's about it, it's not something u want enabled during competitive online play.
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#131 guitarrocker13
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Did u read the article, they said PS3 can do something high end computers can't Because the cell is a super computer
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#132 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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AA is good for taking pretty screenshot's about it, it's not something u want enabled during competitive online play.HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
ps3 is too weak to even do super sampling aa muchless x32 like a pc.
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#133 guitarrocker13
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Also in the article----- the Cell processor is cutting edge stuff. The Cell in conjunction with the GPU is capable of squeezing out 2.0 trillion floating point operations per second on the fly, which is super-computer worthy and out performs the Xbox 360’s 355 billion floating operation points/second. This is the type of tech running on the latest IBM Blades residing in our maximum security data centers near DC.

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#134 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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MLAA was created because ps3's even too weak to run msaa with complex games. need less powerful hardware of mlaa. also too weak for super sampling.
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#137 guitarrocker13
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I gave you all facts but hey, your all 360 fanboys, and dont even read the links. So obviously you will never accept the fact that ps3 is more powerful. Gonna go play some UC2 or maybe BF3...... signing out
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#138 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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[QUOTE="guitarrocker13"]I gave you all facts but hey, your all 360 fanboys, and dont even read the links. So obviously you will never accept the fact that ps3 is more powerful. Gonna go play some UC2 or maybe BF3...... signing out

why dont you play a better game like socom 4? been awhile since i played because of the goddamn hackers and i gotta reset my password and when i tried the damn site was down.
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#139 guitarrocker13
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You dont have a PS3 also if you read the article it says PS3 can do more advanced AA then a high end pc
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#140 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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naughtydog should stick to crash bandicoot they suck at shooters.
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#141 Ultra_Combo
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I didn't think there were this many Fakeboys in SW , the things the "cows" are saying in this thread just shows why there the most despised group. So rediculous to the point they must be fakeboys, just embarrasing.

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#142 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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You dont have a PS3 also if you read the article it says PS3 can do more advanced AA then a high end pcguitarrocker13
MLAA IS BETTER THAN SUPER SAMPLING AA? what planet are you from?
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#144 guitarrocker13
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That explains UC2 96 meta score
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@ HAHAHAHA

Don'tspam the boards with incremental posts spaced 1 min apart, that could have been all in one post, just to artificially inflate your post count.

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@ HAHAHAHA

Don'tspam the boards with incremental posts spaced 1 min apart, that could have been all in one post, just to artificially inflate your post count.

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i dont think old school gamespot user's care about post acount especially if they were here before the goddamn forums were added to this site to begin with. plus i cant edit the features messed up site isnt showing how many logged on either.
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#147 guitarrocker13
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Thanks he was def spamming
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#148 guitarrocker13
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I have talked to high end pc people and they have said that KZ3 is very impressive and they all owned PS3's
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#149 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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http://www.geeks3d.com/20101023/tips-what-is-the-morphological-anti-aliasing-mlaa/ What is the MLAA? In short, MLAA is a shape-based anti-aliasing method that uses post processing filters to reduce aliasing. POST PROCESSING=ABSOLUTE GARBAGE RUINED THIS GENERATION. that's some fake anti aliasing bullchit
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#150 HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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post processing is almost like putting a red lens over a flashlight or blue or green similar to that effected IT'S not part of the rendering.