Is the DVD9 format a hassle to compress all the data in such a "little&quot

I've been thinking 8,5 GB is not enough anymore, maybe Ms should really adopt bluray in the future?

all the developers do is make the 360 version then copy the data to blue ray so they dont really use the data

I've been thinking 8,5 GB is not enough anymore, maybe Ms should really adopt bluray in the future?

aia89

[QUOTE="bigM10231"]

all the developers do is make the 360 version then copy the data to blue ray so they dont really use the data

Casual_Gamer_

There is actually like a 2GIG file on every 360 game for security, so the DEVS don't get to even use the full DVD space, and never will.

I think the max size on a 360 game is 6.5-7.0gigs.

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"][QUOTE="bigM10231"]

all the developers do is make the 360 version then copy the data to blue ray so they dont really use the data

no disc touches blu-ray at this point. it remind me of the N64 vs PS1 era. The n64 was 64 bits, and the PS1 was 32, but with the advantage of disc space alone, many ps1 games looked better then n64 games even tho the hardware was suppose to be inferior. hahahahahahahaCasual_Gamer_

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"] thats why i think it will be better for this gen if microsoft just dies out of console gaming, then the 360 will limit the ps3 potential no longer.Casual_Gamer_

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"][QUOTE="bigM10231"]

all the developers do is make the 360 version then copy the data to blue ray so they dont really use the data

vaderhater

thats why i think it will be better for this gen if microsoft just dies out of console gaming, then the 360 will limit the ps3 potential no longer.Casual_Gamer_

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]If you could explain this further it would be interesting if not really funny.:)

Casual_Gamer_

Wait, are you stating that the PS3 runs most multiplat games solely on the Cell and not in conjunction with it's GPU?

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"] all games would be PS3 exclusive and would start to make proper use of the cell. right now only the CPU is running most multiplat games on PS3, without even using all the SPE's that the cell offers. This is because they are designed for use of the 360 cores, but bioware has opened the floodgates for 3rd party devs to actually use the SPEs, i just hope they do it.lundy86_4

Wait, are you stating that the PS3 runs most multiplat games solely on the Cell and not in conjunction with it's GPU?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"] and sometimes we just lose content because of DVD limitations, either way, with the cell, and Blu-ray capacity used to its full potential, you get Uncharted 2 type games, or demons souls.Casual_Gamer_

Wait, are you stating that the PS3 runs most multiplat games solely on the Cell and not in conjunction with it's GPU?

What? No it could not.

Even the PC needs to use a GPU currently, and they are a lot more powerful.

DVD is not "a little", Blu-ray is just big. It's like calling a car little because a truck is bigger, doesn't make the car any less suitable for purpose.

DVD has done a fine job at delivering the vast majority of games this generation, it only comes into question because A) Microsoft has self limiting policies and B) Cows are egotistical and blow Blu-ray's value out of proportion.

Blu-ray will become a requirement in the future, it is just a convenience right now.

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Wait, are you stating that the PS3 runs most multiplat games solely on the Cell and not in conjunction with it's GPU?

What? No it could not.

Even the PC needs to use a GPU currently, and they are a lot more powerful.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"] it Could run it without the gpu, but i doubt many devs do that. but most run without the SPE's, which is why the PS3 exclusives look better then the multiplats.Casual_Gamer_

What? No it could not.

Even the PC needs to use a GPU currently, and they are a lot more powerful.

I think I need to stop talking to you now. it's beginning to hurt my head trying to understand that logic.

I guess someone missed kingtys blurb about the360 DVD only using 6.8gb not 8.9 like on PC uncharted 2 and killzone2 both used the entire 25gb space on blu Ray whille mgs4 used almost 50 games are getting bigger 360 is holding games back. It's about time they start targeting ps3/PC and downgrade to 360 as needed like last gen.Midnightshade29

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"]but most of what a GPU does can easily be run with CPU and regular memory.AnnoyedDragon

Recently joined, named casual gamer and behaving in the ignorant manner expected of casuals...

I'd say this is a troll account, very few people are this uninformed...

But still.....

of course Mgs4 used up 50GB. i mean look at it, it was a movie..

and i don't agree the xbox 360 isn't capable of graphics like UC2. they just have less first party devs to exploit the full potential of the console. and what about the pc? it's more advanced than the consoles but graphically speaking the last graphics-wow was over 2 years ago.

of course Mgs4 used up 50GB. i mean look at it, it was a movie..

and i don't agree the xbox 360 isn't capable of graphics like UC2. they just have less first party devs to exploit the full potential of the console. and what about the pc? it's more advanced than the consoles but graphically speaking the last graphics-wow was over 2 years ago.

aia89

thats why i think it will be better for this gen if microsoft just dies out of console gaming, then the 360 will limit the ps3 potential no longer.Casual_Gamer_

It seems to come in waves really. I just cant stand misinformation but I guess it cant really hurt because its not true so it is not really a factor.

But still.....

vaderhater

Let's put it this way, here's a comment in another thread on PS3 mouse support.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Can I use it to play FPS games!? No? ...Oh.Casual_Gamer_

Blu-ray storage somehow enabling support for mouse input? I'd say they are taking the mick and should be ignored.

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]If you could explain this further it would be interesting if not really funny.:)

93soccer

The only reason DA looks better on PS3 is because of Bluray. Its a 20gb game squished down to fit in 6.8gb on the 360. The PS3 textures didn't have to be compressed, all PS3's have hard drives for cache'ing, and Bioware probably also repeated game files on the disc in such a way as to reduce seek (load) times. The bluray space allowed them to do this. Even installed to the hard drive the 360 version loads slower than the PS3. So wow, omg, Bluray = better graphics. This time.

no disc touches blu-ray at this point. it remind me of the N64 vs PS1 era. The n64 was 64 bits, and the PS1 was 32, but with the advantage of disc space alone, many ps1 games looked better then n64 games even tho the hardware was suppose to be inferior. hahahahahahahaCasual_Gamer_

I've been thinking 8,5 GB is not enough anymore, maybe Ms should really adopt bluray in the future?

aia89

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"] all games would be PS3 exclusive and would start to make proper use of the cell. right now only the CPU is running most multiplat games on PS3, without even using all the SPE's that the cell offers. This is because they are designed for use of the 360 cores, but bioware has opened the floodgates for 3rd party devs to actually use the SPEs, i just hope they do it.mbrockway

The only reason DA looks better on PS3 is because of Bluray. Its a 20gb game squished down to fit in 6.8gb on the 360. The PS3 textures didn't have to be compressed, all PS3's have hard drives for cache'ing, and Bioware probably also repeated game files on the disc in such a way as to reduce seek (load) times. The bluray space allowed them to do this. Even installed to the hard drive the 360 version loads slower than the PS3. So wow, omg, Bluray = better graphics. This time.

[QUOTE="aia89"]

I've been thinking 8,5 GB is not enough anymore, maybe Ms should really adopt bluray in the future?

mayceV

[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="aia89"]

I've been thinking 8,5 GB is not enough anymore, maybe Ms should really adopt bluray in the future?

2scoopsofempty

[QUOTE="bigM10231"]

all the developers do is make the 360 version then copy the data to blue ray so they dont really use the data

Casual_Gamer_

And what else would you expect from a casual gamer?

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"] all games would be PS3 exclusive and would start to make proper use of the cell. right now only the CPU is running most multiplat games on PS3, without even using all the SPE's that the cell offers. This is because they are designed for use of the 360 cores, but bioware has opened the floodgates for 3rd party devs to actually use the SPEs, i just hope they do it.mbrockway

The only reason DA looks better on PS3 is because of Bluray. Its a 20gb game squished down to fit in 6.8gb on the 360. The PS3 textures didn't have to be compressed, all PS3's have hard drives for cache'ing, and Bioware probably also repeated game files on the disc in such a way as to reduce seek (load) times. The bluray space allowed them to do this. Even installed to the hard drive the 360 version loads slower than the PS3. So wow, omg, Bluray = better graphics. This time.

I have seen DA run on both consoles and it looks almost identical. Some, note I say some of the texures on 360 are a bit more blurry, but you really need to stick your nose into the screen to notice it. And loading times can be shortened by installing which on 360 took me like what? 5 mins?

people dont realise that multiplat titles on both 360 and ps3 of the same game in every case where the ps3 version is twice the size of the 360 version..its due to the ps3 needing to have the same game facets loaded on the disc over and over due to memory constraints...daveg1

people dont realise that multiplat titles on both 360 and ps3 of the same game in every case where the ps3 version is twice the size of the 360 version..its due to the ps3 needing to have the same game facets loaded on the disc over and over due to memory constraints...daveg1

Plus in 99,9% of cases 360 multiplats look better and are less glitchy. Ps3 had their first superior multiplat (DA) since launch. OMG achievement unloked.... (or trophy earned or whatever)

[QUOTE="daveg1"]people dont realise that multiplat titles on both 360 and ps3 of the same game in every case where the ps3 version is twice the size of the 360 version..its due to the ps3 needing to have the same game facets loaded on the disc over and over due to memory constraints...kendrene

Plus in 99,9% of cases 360 multiplats look better and are less glitchy. Ps3 had their first superior multiplat (DA) since launch. OMG achievement unloked.... (or trophy earned or whatever)

[QUOTE="kendrene"]

[QUOTE="daveg1"]people dont realise that multiplat titles on both 360 and ps3 of the same game in every case where the ps3 version is twice the size of the 360 version..its due to the ps3 needing to have the same game facets loaded on the disc over and over due to memory constraints...Tyrant156

Plus in 99,9% of cases 360 multiplats look better and are less glitchy. Ps3 had their first superior multiplat (DA) since launch. OMG achievement unloked.... (or trophy earned or whatever)

But from what ps3 fanboys say the ps3 being so superior should have no problems running multiplats.

[QUOTE="Tyrant156"][QUOTE="kendrene"]

Plus in 99,9% of cases 360 multiplats look better and are less glitchy. Ps3 had their first superior multiplat (DA) since launch. OMG achievement unloked.... (or trophy earned or whatever)

kendrene

But from what ps3 fanboys say the ps3 being so superior should have no problems running multiplats.

Yes, no doubt that the X360 is limited with it's dvd drive, specially with the capacity of 6.8GB. It's not just the graphics, animation, and the cinematic experience that makes UC2 so awesome. It's the sound aswell. The audio sampling is just awesome, and they can have alot of it. Developers can also have alot of different environments which limits backtracking and such. If MS does'nt choose a BD drive next gen, they will shoot them self in the foot.

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"]no disc touches blu-ray at this point. it remind me of the N64 vs PS1 era. The n64 was 64 bits, and the PS1 was 32, but with the advantage of disc space alone, many ps1 games looked better then n64 games even tho the hardware was suppose to be inferior. hahahahahahahaWilliamRLBaker

I've been thinking 8,5 GB is not enough anymore, maybe Ms should really adopt bluray in the future?

aia89

Actually, for 360 discs, the max is 6.8. And, that's fine for the majority of games. The only games that use more are games that abuse uncompressed video or audio. You shouldn't look at PS3 game's file size either to compare because the PS3 has to have most of it be redundnt data. For example. MGS5 was about 48GB. But, only 33Gb wasn't redundant data. And, most of that data was full HD video and uncompressed audio.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"]no disc touches blu-ray at this point. it remind me of the N64 vs PS1 era. The n64 was 64 bits, and the PS1 was 32, but with the advantage of disc space alone, many ps1 games looked better then n64 games even tho the hardware was suppose to be inferior. hahahahahahahaCasual_Gamer_

Only because the background was pre-rendered 2D :D The battles looked atrocious even for its time and even worse when compard to the N64.

[QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] actually no sorry no no ps1 game looked on par with a n64 game.ChrisJ2004

Only because the background was pre-rendered 2D :D The battles looked atrocious even for its time and even worse when compard to the N64.